Lakers fans make Jazz fans look sympathetic
First, a disclaimer: Yes, the Lakers are a very, very good basketball team. They clearly deserved to win last night. On the flip side, the Rockets did not look all that inspiring last night and 29 point losses are never good things. Shooting 37% from the field makes for ugly games. And as a Rockets fan, I found the effort unacceptable.
That said: You Laker fans really need to chill the f--k out. I'm not even kidding.
Yes, your Lakers are 5-0. Whoopty-doo!! The freakin' Hawks are 5-0, too and I don't see anyone crowning them NBA Champions already.
Yes, the Rockets have some issues to address. Yao looks very slow. T-Mac looks like he has aged 15 years in the offseason. Ron Artest has yet to mesh with the offense and relies on one-on-one moves and 3 point shots too much right now. Rafer is shooting even worse than he did last November - and that's saying something. Shane Battier is still hurt (injured?). Chuck Hayes still plays wayyyy too many minutes. Brent Barry hasn't really contributed anything yet. Luther Head still sucks. Scola and Landry haven't been used property or enough.
But to anyone who thinks the Rockets are "frauds" or who thinks the Yao/T-Mac/Artest trio is really something you want to face in April when the "real" games begin....... you, sir (or madam), are a certifiable moron. Repeat: moron.
Write this down ----- in February, you are going to forget how the Rockets looked "sluggish" in November. By February, the Rockets are going to look like a fine-tuned machine that destroys everything in their path. That will include you, L.A.
And as a final sidenote, reading comments on a Lakers-themed blog is actually kind of sad. I realize that being snarky and cruel is the common bond among Internet commenters, but some of these Laker fan sites I have read today have the most unoriginal and sad comments ever. When Lee or I actually made the effort to congratulate the Lakers... the commenters would turn around and call us derogatory names that even I hesitate to re-print here. And I'll print just about any kind of s--t on this blog! At the very least, if you're going to slander me, have the courtesy to be witty or creative!! It's the least you can do...
in the meantime, you're just going to make Yao angry. And you won't like him when he's angry.

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cause I have a blog and it's kinda my obligation...
and cause Laker fans pissed me off today and I had some free time.
chill out?
So if the Lakers played the Hawks tomorrow on a neutral court you would take the Hawks? If not then your 5-0 vs. 5-0 comment sounds like sour grapes. Yeah laker fans can be over the top, but you’re not exactly helping your cause with your “wait until later in the year when we steamroll everyone” comments. You got smoked badly, and it wasn’t just Adelman’s rotations either. Give credit where it is due, and “chill the "f” out. It’s just basketball man.
you fail at reading comprehension
Did you or did you not read the freakin’ disclaimer? The Lakers are DAMN good and we did not expect the Rockets to win last night. All credit to you has been given. I am merely asking Laker fans to not feel compelled to question our sexuality when gloating about one single game — which we congratulated you on many times over.
I fail at reading comprehension?
I guess you fail at reading, period. What did I say that was incorrect. Did you not compare us to the Hawks? Did you not say you were going to steamroll everyone by February? Did you not blame the loss on Adelman’s rotations? Did you not use the phrase “chill the f-out”? Did I not say “yeah Laker fans can be over the top”? I guess you haven’t taken you pill yet or you would probably be able to admit I am right. We will see.
by the way...
I couldn’t figure out why Mark Cuban was banning bloggers until just now. Because real journalists don’t use phrases like “Pau is a pussy” or “chill the f-out”, or “did you not read the freakin’ disclaimer”. Keep working at it, you can only get better.
Is this guy for real?
Real journalist? last time I checked, both the dream shake guys were just big fans and both had other jobs. I dont understand this statement and why it would even be considered an insult. But in all fairness- bro your wrong. The blog never equated the hawks to the lakers, just the fact they have the same records… in fact I have no idea why I’m getting in on this, but I just felt compelled to defend these guys. They have every right to say chill out, laker fans were complaining about being ranked number 2 on espn- come on! its week 2! Dream Shake keep it up.
by Hayesfor48mins on Nov 11, 2008 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
defending your bloggers............
well color me shocked!!!!!! So Grungedave can be an obnoxious homer but Laker fans can’t? Is that your point. Hmmmmmmmm Okay. Yeah he did equate them to the Hawks if you want to nit picks. And for the record you know exactly why you are getting into this – Like most teams fans you feel the need to defend your teams (or bloggers) position, truth be damned. Good for you, that is your job. I thought his job was to be honest and maybe a little bit realistic. I was wrong.
There are two types of bloggers out there. The ones who try to be serious and the ones who don’t. I just mis-interpreted this one. No big deal. Forum Blue and Gold, The Laker Nation, The LA Times laker Blog, are all serious bloggers. Since the Dream Shake seems to share info, or opinions with them I though they were serious too. Again, my bad.
Again for the ones with an IQ.....
What the hell is butthurt? Or can you not even answer a simple question?
Look around the internet
It’s what you’re using right now. See, type “butthurt” into a search engine – you know what that is, right? – and look it up yourself.
The point he was trying to make with the record comparisons is that the early undefeated record means absolutely nothing at this point. Obviously, he picked the Hawks because they are not on the same level as the Lakers.
I saw nothing wrong with the steamroll comment. And if you think it’s on the same line as calling someone a “faggot”, then you got some problems. The Lakers fans he was referring to were way out of line, and that’s what he had issues with.
Wow, we are arguing with someone that lists being a fan of UCLA AND USC.
I’m pretty sure that’s not possible
of course...
When the Lakers go on a losing streak, he’ll probably change his screenname to “psBRUINfan”
It was a joke
Plus, how on earth is it possible to be a fan of both? You won’t see my cheering for OU or A&M anytime soon. Not willingly anyway (Damn you Texas Tech!!!)
Of course it's possible
He likes USC during football season (they’re good at football, you see), but he likes UCLA during basketball season (they’re better at basketball). Just as he will inevitably jump ship to the Clippers when hell freezes over and they are a title contender.
It’s the same principle that allows him to be both an Angels and Dodgers fan – a property that I was assured was an impossibility.
It’s the mantra of the fair-weather Greater Los Angeles Area Sports Fan: I like whoever is best.
So are you two years old or something?
Because I seem to recall them having a pretty good season two years ago.
And that does nothing to change the fact that you are a fair-weather bandwagon fan who latches onto whichever team in your area is doing well. Hence being a fan of USC and UCLA, and the Dodgers and Angels. If the Clippers did well, you would fellate them.
Face it: you know nothing about the teams you claim to be a fan of, and you are talking out of your ass.
And you’re butthurt.
Two and a half actually.
Thanks for asking. I guess I could have said “another good season”, but who cares? They suck and even that good season wasn’t that good.
You are a true front runner
Only an asshole would like the Trojans Football and the Bruins basketball team. It figures because you’re an idiot, but I’m glad you aren’t from Sacramento. (Or maybe i"m only hoping for that. It would be bad luck if you are.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Yeah it figures
You’re still a stupid ass moron.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really hope you aren't moving back
And I’m thankful you aren’t a Kings fan. I’m very thankful of that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
?????????
What the hell are you talking about? Faggot? What did I say that had anything to do with that??
Did you read the blog post?
You made a reference to his comment about Lakers fans being over the top. There is a reason why he said that (with links to back it up). I don’t think you read that at all, so I don’t really know why you made a reference to it.
That actually has nothing to do with his banning of bloggers, but good effort.
And the entire point of blogging is that I’m not a “real journalist”. Why would I want to be hindered by unecessary rules? I don’t have to bow down to players because they won’t give me an interview if I don’t. I get to tell you exactly how I see it. I’ll take being a blogger over being a journalist any day.
Nothing makes Jazz fans look sympathetic
I’m just going to assume you’re suffering from a temporary case of “we haven’t played the Jazz yet so you’ve temporarily forgotten how much their fans need to be repeatedly carved with a grapefruit spoon.”
I don’t hold it against Laker fans TOO much, because it’s their nature. Anyone who’s a “fan” of any LA team could jump ship at any second and run to whomever they feel is the most likely to win next. You didn’t see any of these dyed-in-the-wool Laker fans before they became title contenders again.
You just have to pat them on their heads, roll your eyes, and look forward to our next crack at them when we have some of our injury and chemistry issues worked out.
by HoustonDiehards on Nov 10, 2008 10:37 PM CST reply actions
Hold the eff up...
What? What? Don’t you ever….EVER compare us to Lakers fans. I feel offended…yet justified.
I guess you just have to accept that the Rockets are a second tier team in the West. Don’t worry though, you always have the second round…wait…
We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com
Dave asked me who I dislike more, Lakers fans or Jazz fans
My response was: “At least Jazz fans can insult you in complete sentences.”
The level of hate on SBN just rose with you guys
It’s rather awesome I must admit.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
LA Radio stinks
That’s like telling you traffic sucks on the 705 because traffic on the 405 in LA is moving. Or some stupid shit like that.
Your hate is specialized. And funny.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
The Rockets will never get respect
Ever. No one ever gives them respect. Hell, the Championship Rockets didn’t even get respect.
The bottom line is it’s too early in the season to tell anything about the Rockets at this point. We don’t even have Battier back yet. C’mon now. That’s our best defensive player. Give it time. I know I’m not in panic mode yet. I’m just going to let it play out.
Well said.
And it was simultaneously hilarious and disturbing that the fans over at Clutch Fans were talking about trading T-Mac and Yao after each bad possession. The team has been together for only a few weeks. McGrady is still rusty. They’re still figuring out the system. In a month, they’ll be unstoppable.
follow up note
I would like to thank pslakerfan for indirectly proving my entire point in this post.
Oh yeah. Sorry I was such an asshole Laker fan by pointing out that your post was a tad bit ridiculous and that you might be a little sensitive after a beatdown. My bad. I guess if that is what you are talking about when you describe “Laker fans” then you must have a really difficult life. It’s called reality Dave, get over it.
Something tells me you will just copy and paste this post everytime you guys lose and change the names. Waaaaaaaa we lost, and here is why it is everyone else’s fault. Blah, blah, blah.
cause/effect
You do realize that in every game there are reasons why a team loses… and why a team wins, right?
The Lakers are really damn good. That is but one reason. I listed 5-7 additional reasons that factored into why the Rockets happened to lose by 29. Now, if the Rockets lose by 29 to the Lakers again this season, I will eat my shoe. We all know that’s not going to happen. In fact, the Rockets might actually win a game against L.A. this year… here’s hoping that doesn’t give you an aneurysm.
What makes me sad is the realization that if three years ago I said “damn, Smush Parker sucks!” you’d have run over here to defend his honor… please stop being short-sighted. It’s a long season.
That's all every LA fan I know said 3 years ago
" You do realize it’s hard to criticize Kobe when Smush Parker is taking shots away from him right? "
" You do realize it’s hard to play defense with Smush Parker on the team, right? "
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Smush Parker?
You really think any Laker fan would defend Smush Parker? Next we will be defending Luke Walton….You know Laker fans about as well as I know Lee/UofTOrange.
Lakers won.
Not an excuse, but how many back to backs do we have this season. Does every team have the same amount of back to backs?
Your a ten, but I'm on eleven!
psLakersFan
This troll has been making the rounds. Last year in the second round (Not sure if Dave was watching or if he was still in his basement at this point) this guy lit a fire under Jazz fans. His comments are ludacris, and I’m not talking about the rapper. I am sick and tired of Lakers fans acting like they rule sports ranks. Your time will come Lakers fans. Let the Dream Shake and True Blue Jazz be united in one thing….a hatred for all things purple and gold.
We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com
Screw Kobe
dude pulled that “I’ve got to play for the Lakers” thing at draft day. That kind of crap ruins the purpose of the draft. I’m going to give Steve Francis a break on not wanting to play for Vancouver, though, because nobody should have to play in Canada.
And Phil Jackson is overrated.
Huh.......
I think you are mistaking Kobe with Eli Manning. Kobe didn’t have anything to do with that trade. But you’re only a lad so you were probably about 7 at the time. You are forgiven.
Ha ha - I see what you did there! Very clever, sir!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/2001/05/26/sayitaintso_lakers/
Read it and weep. Like I said, you’re a fair weather fan who doesn’t even know the history of his so-called “favorite team”
Yeah, OK.
“He seemed to be giving off a vibe that only a city like L.A. was big enough to hold him.”
that is the proof you are talking about? Wow that is ironclad. How could I have doubted you?
Read a little closer
Essentially, Bryant had been saying for months that he wasn’t going to play anywhere but LA. So any team that wanted to draft him had to do so knowing that they would have to trade away his draft rights, lest he accept a scholarship offer and go to college for a year.
This sort of thing is done all the time in baseball. That’s alright, because it usually centers around cash – not where a player is going to play. But that’s what happened with Bryant – he was a whiny little punk who couldn’t play anywhere but LA, so he forced the team that drafted him to trade him away.
why is this a problem
When you are an athlete, there are VERY few times in your life where you have leverage… being a top draft pick is one of those times. How the hell can we ever get mad at Eli, Kobe, or even John Elway for using that leverage to dictate where they want to live/work in their professional lives???
I have no problem with what those guys did. None.
Let me put it this way
I don’t have as much of a problem with what Eli Manning, John Elway, or Steve Francis did because they seemed to have an explicit problem with the organization that drafted them.
In contrast, Kobe just wanted to play in Los Angeles. It was less of a problem with the organizational incompetence of San Diego / Baltimore / Vancouver, and more of a simple desire to play for the Lakers.
Now, in normal occupations, this is a legitimate concern. But sports leagues have to balance players’ desires with the needs of the league – parity. The draft is designed to promote parity, and Kobe destroyed that purpose by demanding a trade.
He had every right to do this, and I’m not saying he should have been penalized by the NBA, but I am saying that he is a bit of a dick for doing it.
no way
That’s what makes Kobe awesome. He was only 18 years old and still knew what level of power he had over the league.
sorry lad, but you're wrong on this one.
Eli said he wouldn’t play in San Diego. Kobe (supposedly) said he wanted to play in LA. At least he wasn’t disrespecting any organization in particular like Eli. Secondly if Charlotte knew this about Kobe then they drafted him on purpose to get Vlade Divac, so don’t act like they didn’t get what they wanted.
Funnily enough
I thought Francis & Bryant were both punks for pulling it. And I think the whole Vancouver travesty should get Stern’s ass booted out the door.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I hate Phil but respect him
I’m tired of Kobe’s act, but I will recognize he’s the best hooper since MJ.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Hey, CB, nice to see you.
Yeah still trolling. Actually I call it reality, but whatever. If I remember correctly last year you didn’t think I was a troll, but I guess you have gone to the dark side where dissent is automatically labeled trolling. Or maybe I am mistaking you with someone else. Whatever. Sounds like you and Dave get along really well. If you don’t mean Ludacris, then spell it ludicrous. It’s easier. Oh yeah it’s Forum Blue and Gold, not purple.
PS
You’re trolling is reality? Awesome world you live in man.
I probably did think you were a troll. My definition of a troll is still the same. troll = a bored lakers fan living of Dad’s real estate business and going on 7 years trying to get a USC degree via online classes.
Yep. Still a troll. You should just call University of Phoenix and finally live up to your potential.
Who said anything about Forum Blue and Gold? I’m sure they love you trolling around defending them. Lakers are purple and yellow. Nothing more. Nothing less.
We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com
wow you are smarter than you think.
Actually my dad really is in real estate. Good call. However I don’t work for him, I am in construction. And I am 33 and married and am way beyond school years. Thanks for the concern though it is touching.
And the color is called Forum Blue, not purple. I wasn’t talking about the website.
Must have been some other Jazz fan I was thinking of, my bad.
I can call my turds vanilla-flavored...
doesn’t necessarily make it so.
That shit is purple.
Yay, sports.
now we can agree on something
If you don’t mean Ludacris, then spell it ludicrous
A grammar nazi! Hey, we have something in common now!
I might have a little bit of respect for you after all…
Yeah the Laker bloggers hate it when I do that.......
I just can’t deal with bad grammar. Typo’s happen, stupid shouldn’t.
Laker fans
You have to remember that especially on the internet there are two kinds of Laker fans: the real ones and the bandwagonners, and the latter makes up the majority of that particular group. Any real Laker fan knows that the Rockets are dealing with major injuries right now (Battier and whatever is really ailing McGrady), and they’re trying to work in a couple major new pieces. The Rockets most definitely will improve once healthy (assuming they get healthy and stay that way) and after they’ve had some time to gel. Also, the Lakers are not going to steamroll the whole league and go 82-0, winning every game by 20.
However, I’m still not sold on the Rockets destroying “everything in their path” later in the year, especially the Lakers. Not unless they make some frontcourt additions, anyway. Even if they were fully healthy and clicking, they still only have one player on the roster who is taller than 6’9 (Yao), and they still will have to figure out how to split the minutes with Battier and Artest. Will Artest go to the bench and be happy doing so in a contract year? Odom seems to have done that in an identical situation for the Lakers, but he and Artest are not really cut from the same cloth, so to speak.
But even assuming Artest willingly accepts a bench role, will that just mean that he and Battier are splitting time at SF, or will Artest see time at PF? Will Artest play PF against the Lakers? If so, I think that’s a recipe for disaster considering he’s 6’7 and Gasol is 7’1. The Rockets need a legit backup center, and probably would be smart to add two more guys who are 6’11 or bigger with some bulk to the bench. If they don’t they’re going to have trouble with teams like the Lakers and Celtics who have a bunch of guys with size up front.
So then how will the minutes be split?
If Artest won’t get any PF minutes, then how will the split be with he and Battier? 24 minutes each? Or will Artest, Battier and TMac share the 2-3 duties evenly between them? Will we ever see Battier, Artest and TMac on the floor together? How do you see the rotation going once everyone is healthy?
normally
Normally I would say “Ricky will figure that out… no problem”
but based on his ass-backwards rotations so far, this really scares me. Lee and I heard a rumor over the summer that the Artest trade was just step 1. Step 2 involved trading Battier. I still hope that isn’t true – but Battier’s injury could be holding back that plan.
Trading Battier
I would guess the Rockets would not want to explore that unless it looked for sure like Artest in the lineup was a slam dunk success, cause of course if it doesn’t work out with Ron Ron then the Rockets would almost surely just let him go at season’s end when his contract expires. If that happens and they’ve traded Battier then they’ll have a pretty big hole at the 3. On the other hand, if the Rockets could trade Battier for a really solid big player who can play both the 4 and the 5 then it might be worth it. For all the Rockets’ strengths, I think the lack of size anywhere on the team outside of Yao is a real potential problem. Scola and Landry are great players but they can’t be expected to play backup center in playoff games where Yao has foul trouble (or if, god forbid, Yao gets hurt again).
No, I honestly think you'll see Tmac at the 1 some.
I’m not sure how that will work if he keeps shooting like this though. But I think you’ll see Artest play about 32 minutes a game and Battier less than that
Thank you
Finally a comment with a little reason and intellect. Other than calling Battier’s injury “major injuries” I agree with this whole post. Nicely done.
Battier & McGrady
Battier is a dead-eye shooter, an incredibly smart player and is the glue of the Rockets’ entire defense. Missing him is a huge loss for Houston. McGrady I think is hiding some serious injury, unless that flu he had was incredibly debilitating, because he has looked like a shell of himself ever since the Portland game. With Battier out entirely and McGrady being totally ineffective, believe me those are major losses for Houston.
Laker fan
Battier injury SHOULD be considered a major injury to you given what Shane did to Kobe last year. Kobe is going to love having Shane and Artest taking turns on him.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 11, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, no I meant it wasn't major to the team.
What I really meant was that it is just one player and some teams are missing 2 or 3.
Just a consideration
The Lakers really pulled away in that game, but LA also spent a lot of time looking bad early on – you know, when the Rockets were still sort of fresh. I think we’ll meet in the Western Conference Finals – these two teams look like the most obvious candidates, with the despised “Jazz” running close behind.
Consider this – The Rockets had 3 games in 4 nights, all on the road, including a very close loss up in PDX against a deep young team. At the time the game was played the Rockets had played the most games so far in the season. Let’s not read too much into a tired team losing on the road after 3 games in 4 nights, ok?
Rest vs. Rust
Also consider that maybe the Lakers were just rusty to start the game. After all they’d only played once in the previous 7 days. That kind of inactivity, especially this early in the season, is bound to leave a team a little out of sync for a bit.
Yams
Perhaps a bit rusty, but I daresay the Rockets might have acquitted themselves a bit better with that much rest, as opposed to practically none.
Brokedown Palace
Can Yao get fresh and speed up a little already? I’ve NEVER seen him look this slow, and it hasn’t just been one game… It’s early in a very long and demanding season and he already looks gassed. He doesn’t have the excuse of not being in playing shape due to his participation in the Olympics. Actually I think his participation is an obvious part of the problem… I know they like to drift in that region of the world, but why they gotta take the tread off our main man’s wheels? Message to Yao: Pick a league! Play here or play there. I love watching you play when you are fresh and healthy, but you looked like you were several grains short of a full rice bowl against the Fakers.
ouch
Comparing Yao to a Claire Danes/Kate Beckinsdale/Bill Pullman movie? Kinda harsh, don’t ya think? Then again, Claire Danes did get permanently banned from the Phillipines for comments made during the filming of that movie… and Yao might be permanently banned from playing for the Chinese team (by his own decision)… we shall see.
I completely get his want to play for his country
I wish more of our players felt the same way. That said, Yao has been pretty adamant that his playing days for the Chinese National team are over.
He looked better last night for sure, but it wasn’t a back-to-back.
I COMPLETELY understand his desire to represent his owner… I mean country and respect him for it.
I guess what I’m saying is that it pains me to see someone who (before the injury) looked so "Dream"like last year, look so drained now when we have a better team around him. I love the Rockets and fear that so much of their success depends on his ability to be fresh. Let’s face it: with energy Yao is a huge positive influence on the outcome of the game, but when he’s tired and sucking wind he’s a major obstacle to overcome without Deke or at least a B+ option at center.
Think about the games we’ve lost this year:
Boston : 8 points, 7 boards
Portland: 13 points, 6 boards
LA: 12 points, 8 boards….
When I watched him in those games, I saw someone really exhausted… We need Yao to be in double digits in points and rebounds to win against playoff teams consistently.
by 34forDreaming on Nov 13, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
laker fan in the house
you know, not all of us are like this. not even a majority of us are like this. don’t judge a whole fan base based on a handful of people.
It's a archetype not a stereotype
I know how you feel, but it seems like more than a handful. Props to you for not being like that though.
by 34forDreaming on Nov 14, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Lol,.... Dave ur very funny!
Thats 1 very hilarious.
If you hate my enemi and you are my friend!
For one upon the time, thats one accepted!
Lol……….. but still hilarous, your make my day.
I'm disrespectful to dirt!
Can you see I am serious?! Get out of my way, all of you! This is no place for loafers.
Join me or die. Can you do any less?
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