For some hilarity - Blazer's Edge Game Thread
Over at Blazer's edge, they have a hell of a site. Their in game thread is always fantastic and I have participated before for a Rockets vs. Trailblazers game. Last night's was no exception. But guys, not every single call is wrong. If you didn't think the foul call on
Also, if you don't think that LAM's hook that injured Chuck Hayes was an offensive foul, you really need to learn the rules. Someone even said since both hands were on the ball that it couldn't be an offensive foul, that's just insane.
I was using our game thread last night, and only watching their's, but there were some real gems from the fans. I can't believe anyone would have such an awesome talent in Brandon Roy and question him 100 times in a game like that. The guy is 24. in only his third year, and has done nothing but play his ass off. I'd trade you Tracy McGrady for him straight up right this interest, and I love TMac.
I'd also like to make it clear that there is no way on earth that you can do the move and shot that Roy did in .8 seconds, none. You can do it if you don't start the clock until he turns around, but not if it is done properly.
I found it awesome that the game was called extremely evenly, we barely bitched at all about it over here, but there are about 200 posts about them getting screwed disproportionately by the refs.
Doesn't matter, still love you guys, just thought it was funny how blinded fans (me included) can be by the love for their team. Good luck the rest of the season gentlemen and ladies, I'm sure you'll make the playoffs and get a good taste of it before you have to figure out how the heck to pay all these guys and keep the team together. You have a hell of a GM (second best in the biz behind ours) that I bet figures out how to do just that.
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I quit drinking in 1988...
but I had our IT guy blow up and clarify a frame of the foul on Roy – it seems pretty clear that he slapped the ball not his arm. But that is always called a foul – they have to in case he misses the shot.
Did you notice where Hayes’ head when he got hurt by Aldridge? In LA’s armpit. Hayes fouled LA before the move which was not a hook – that is when the off arm impedes the defense player. Aldridge made a legal, and usually innocuous, pivot; the only problem was that Hayes had bodied up on him, right hand on his back, left arm reaching, both fouls.
But it was an evenly, if poorly, called game. Frankly, considering the Salvatorre/Palmer were on the ticket, we should be lucky there were not more disputes
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 7, 2008 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That was the worst possible crew you could get together, I certainly agree with you there
That said, it was an offensive foul on LAM, it wasn’t close
by UofTOrange on Nov 7, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll agree to disagree
the offensive has a right to pivot – the foul was called, correctly, before LA even tried to get past Hayes.
FYI, as an Oregon Duck, I’m terribly happy to see Brooks get meaningful time. Stunningly quick, isn’t he?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 7, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pivot yes, hook with the elbow on the pivot, no
But yes, I think scholar’s maintain that the translation was lost long ago, so agree to disagree
And as a Longhorn, I love seeing LaMarcus dominate out there.
Brooks is better right now than I ever expected him to be, and what’s scary is that he is improving.
by UofTOrange on Nov 7, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you know?
The refs have it out for the Blazers. Always have, always will. ;-)
I’m guessing that the questioning of Roy in that thread was partly due to 1a) him not asserting himself until the 4th quarter and 1b) when he finally did assert himself, he was forcing some ugly 20 foot jump shots early in the clock and 2) Ron Artest being one of the single greatest one-on-one defenders in the league in the last 2 decades. Roy has been slow out of the gate this year, but that’s bound to happen when you have to go against Bruce Bowen, Koby Bryant, Raja Bell, RonRon, and in Utah (doesn’t matter who when it’s in Utah… it’s Utah, it’s always hard there).
That must’ve been a brutal loss to take… I know it was a brtutal loss to me when Yao hit the and-one. And then the miracle…
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 7, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words about the Blazers and the Edge!
Especially the bit about McGrady for B-Roy. We have such lofty expectations for this season that a few off performances from our former Rookie of the Year, All-Star virtuoso shooting guard have people seeing red. I agree about the clock not starting in time, by the way — IMO though, the Rockets lost the game on the backboards and not the timekeeper’s finger.
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 7, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
other reasons
Rockets lost because (a) coach is asleep, (b) Chuck Hayes can’t outrebound Aldridge without perfect position, © Scola was glued to the bench, and (d) our defensive assignments and rotations were terrible.
by grungedave on Nov 7, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In absolutely no way did we lose because of the clock keeper. We were outplayed most of the game and were lucky to be in it at all
by UofTOrange on Nov 7, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but the clock keeper still sucked. There was a distinct point towards the end of OT (about 38 secs left) where the announcers were yelling for like 3 seconds that the clock hadn’t started. And how the hell do the refs no there were only .2 seconds left after a kick ball (should have been a non call)?
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Nov 7, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Edit
know*. I really need to learn to edit before hitting post.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Nov 7, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the first time
in human history that anybody has written the phrase, “X can’t outrebound Aldridge without perfect position”. LMA’s lack of rebounding (excepting last night, where he was very solid) drives our fan base up a wall. He grabbed two boards in about 35 minutes against the Jazz a few nights ago. What you guys saw last night was the LaMarcus that we’d all love to see on a nightly basis.
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 7, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's because
Well, Chuck Hayes is maybe 6’5"… that’s why.
by grungedave on Nov 7, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
T-Mac for Roy?
Only reason I’d do it is because of age, not because of the skill set. Roy would be the perfect THIRD option for us, but he’s proving that he’s nowhere close to being a 1st option.
Blazers fans can enjoy the win, but they’ll never come out of the West with a total of zero superstars on their team. They have to trade for a true star if they want to be legit contenders.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 7, 2008 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't make the trade if I was Houston...
that being said, Roy seemed to be able to get his own shot without too much trouble against Artest in the 4th, with the exception of the strip at the end of regulation. Missed the reach before the strip too, didn’t they. But his shot was off last night, as it was against Utah.
Still, I’d have to do some thinking about the Superstar comment. Have all the last teams had superstars, and have teams with superstars necessarily had more playoff success? This is not a veiled attempt to discuss McGrady’s plaoff troubles. Was Paul Pierce known as a superstar before last year? Yes. Did Garnett’s status as a superstar get him past the first round more than once? No. LeBron’s playoff record? Iveson’s? Nowitski’s? Carmello’s? Who has been the Piston’s superstar? These are just thoughts.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 7, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would make that trade
in a heartbeat. Even if you don’t consider Roy a first option, which I do, Yao most certainly is. So then Roy only has to be a second option. And T-Mac often makes himself a second option, so it isn’t even a downgrade most nights if you view Roy as a second option.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Nov 7, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Respectfully disagree
about Brandon not being a first option. I actually think that the first five games of the season have conclusively shown that he can be a first option — he’s gritting out successful outings despite having opposing teams’ schemes designed specifically to stop him and going up against a murderer’s row of perimeter defenders. Kobe, Bell, Kirilenko, Bowen, and Artest? Are you kidding me?
I agree that as of now, the Blazers don’t have a true star on their team…but I like our odds that at least one of LMA, Roy, or Oden will become that guy in the next couple of years. The process can happen organically without a trade, I think.
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 7, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But you don't need a true star, that's completely overrated. You have an entire team of really, really darn good players. I believe that you can get over the hump with that
by UofTOrange on Nov 7, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pistons are the only exception to the rule
And they were in the East.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 7, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Late starting the shot clock
By the time the first .1 seconds is off the clock, Roy has caught the ball, turned around, jumped, and has the ball over his head about to release it. By the time he releases it, another .2 seconds are off the clock. You can’t convince me that it wouldn’t have been at least close if the game was in Houston and the people running the clock were Houstonians.
by jack_ on Nov 7, 2008 2:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
it takes a few tenths for the clock operator to start it. Roy released it with about .5 left though, and I don’t think the operator was .5 late starting the clock (more like .1 or .2). It definitely would have been close if the game were in Houston though- I agree with that.
One thing to remember is that the clock doesn’t show hundredths- so the amount of time remaining could have been anywhere from 0.80 to 0.89 seconds. Also I thought Roy did it about as quickly as Fisher’s 0.4 shot, for what its worth.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 7, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fans overreacting/not being fully rational during a game thread?
say it ain’t so!
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 7, 2008 3:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The clock thing baffles me
How is it not a standardized NBA official instead of a hometown clock operator? And how is there replay in the NBA, but something like that isn’t reviewable?
Honestly, the only reason us Rocket fans aren’t screaming bloody murder about this is because it was game 5 of the season. What if it was game 5 of the conference championship?
It’s not like this was the first time the “hometown clock operator” changed the outcome of a game.
by HoustonDiehards on Nov 7, 2008 4:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see
internal sensors put on the ball that start/stop the clock on inbounds plays. The clock keeper just keeps their thumb on a button, once he releases the button the timer starts once the pressure sensor goes off. In order to prevent premature clock starting the thumb would stay on the button if the ball is going to bounce on the ground. Worst comes to worst, the clock keeper takes his thumb off the button too late as is the case now.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Nov 7, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This issue should be dead
because the league has already confirmed the shot took about .77 seconds. The refs took an awful long time before they called the game as well. Happy now.
by NGAEBE on Nov 7, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Because the clock operator also botched the previous play. Find the replay. When Yao shoots the shot he made/was fouled on, the game clock inexplicably STOPS while Yao’s shot reaches just about the top of its arc. Several more tenths should have ticked off the clock.
It’s a recurring problem in the NBA… this isn’t the first or the last time. They shouldn’t have hometown clock ops. It should be an NBA official. It’s helped the Rockets in the past, and it’s hurt them. I’m not saying there’s a conspiracy against Houston… but it’s a league-wide problem that has happened many times.
by HoustonDiehards on Nov 7, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the clock stopped there because of the foul
NBA rules clearly stipulate that the clock stops on a foul. If not for the foul, Yao’s shot would have dropped through at the buzzer and double OT would have followed.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 7, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Touché salesman
Murderous rage can be blinding.
by HoustonDiehards on Nov 8, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the league reviewed..
as did a Blazer fan – from catch to realease it touch .7 seconds
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 8, 2008 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
league review says Roy's shot was in time
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081107
Hollinger writes that it took 23 frames each of which takes a third of a second (he must mean a third of a tenth of a second, 23*0.033=0.076) which would suggest the operator was a good 4 tenths late starting the clock but that Roy still made it in time… barely.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 7, 2008 4:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Which thread has a bunch complaining fans?
“I’d also like to make it clear that there is no way on earth that you can do the move and shot that Roy did in .8 seconds, none. You can do it if you don’t start the clock until he turns around, but not if it is done properly.”
Wow, time to log on and admit that you were wrong? .77 baby! And to the haters saying Roy is not a number 1 option, check his line from the SA game last week: 26 pts, 10-18 FGs, 7 ass, 5 rbs, 3 stls & 1 TO. Are you kidding me? And how about last night? Dude is having an off night against one the of the best defensive teams and player in the league, but sticks with it, doesn’t back down from the big shots, and wins the damn game. Kobe or TMac does that and we are impressed that they stuck with it and kept playing despite the off shooting night. Why does Roy get different treatment? And on top of it all, Roy does not have Yao Ming to draw attention and double teams. Dude is the truth.
by bigjmoney on Nov 8, 2008 2:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"No way on earth"
That’s the way you characterized how someone could do what Roy did in just .8 seconds. Well, if you examine the play frame by frame, Roy was touching the ball for 24 frames. Coincidentally, .8 seconds also took exactly 24 frames to elapse.
Conclusion: regardless of how slow the timekeeper was in starting the clock, Roy caught the ball, turned, and shot in only .8 seconds. That is backed up by evidence, not just some feeling of what is or isn’t possible.
by jeepurs on Nov 8, 2008 5:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see that actual proof but honestly, I don't care. I wasn't calling for an NBA review, it was game 5.
I never said we lost the game because of the scorekeeper. We had plenty of opportunities to win it. Hell, we could of, you know, actually played defense on Roy and not given him a clean look.
Seriously, some of you are taking this like I was 1. Saying we lost because of it (we didn’t) 2. Saying I didn’t like Roy (you need some reading comprehension as I said exactly the opposite)
by UofTOrange on Nov 8, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
good luck for the season houston…I don’t think you’ll need it. but good luck.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 8, 2008 8:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
my take on it
first you are a keen observer of not just the game, but our fans. The game was fairly called despite the occasional “eh..” on a couple of occasions. But here’s the meat and potatos of whats going in in P-town with our fans.
It was a really really r e a l l y long summer for us. The passion was intense all summer in anticipation of our new look team. Greg was coming back, getting Bayless in a trade, drafting Batum, greeting Rudy at PDX with rabid packs of hooting fans, I mean, the crescendo of excitement hadn’t (maybe hasn’t) peaked.
So the season starts with a blowout loss to the LA Kobe, we lost Greg to injury, and Webster sits with a broken foot. Soon we are 1-3 and it felt like our hopes were being dashed. People began venting their frustration and officials are the easiest of targets.
Thats all I think you are perceiving, that we are poor sports to complain about calls, when really its just an easy outlet for us to vent our pent up frustration after having such high expectations.
The Bedgers posted over 2000 comments if I recall over two separate half threads. Doubted 10% of them were biased anti-ref sentiment, but I Bedge wearing rose-red colored glasses as well.
At least MacGrady didnt run out of control into Joel to get the superstar exception* and prompt Marv Albert to gush over T-Macs second half explosion.
Good luck Rockets, I respect your team and fans.
by bow4meow on Nov 8, 2008 10:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
not counting chickens before they hatch here
after several years of being the NBAs laughing stock, and restoring what was once a storied franchise, the PTB have assembled a new group of talented players with character. Im glad to see fans like you recognize the strides we have made as a team to restore respectability. Its one thing to earn the admiration around the league, but it was our fans who had to struggle with an era of malcontents and losing, and PTB fans who now reap the rewards of demanding the team return to the core values that inspired a once successful franchise.
by bow4meow on Nov 8, 2008 10:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would also like to say that "Trailblazers" is by far the greatest team name in the NBA
by UofTOrange on Nov 8, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am forced to agree
It really bothers me when announcers refer to us as the Blazers, yet frankly I occasionally shorten it too. For the most part I try to use Trail Blazers, each has separate connotations, yet it is the Trail we are Blazing not just a bunch of pyros. I like your style UoT
by bow4meow on Nov 8, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whenever I watch your team...
I wonder why the ball is not thrown into Yao every time. He should be getting 35 a night. He can shoot over anyone and has an excellent touch.
"Greg Oden is the strongest guy in the NBA" - Channing Frye.
by TallTimber on Nov 8, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the answer is "Rafer isn't that good" and Tracy still thinks he can shoot the 3
by UofTOrange on Nov 8, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there still a rift between Rudy and Les?
I’m not saying fire the coach – but when Van Gundy was axed, I wondered if they’d give Rudy a shot since he knows how to coach a team with a dominant center.
I guess he also has the health issues, though. It KILLS me that Rudy T isn’t a more visible piece of the Rockets, despite him having what – a scouting job with the Lakers?
There probably isn’t a man in the world I have a bigger man-crush for than Rudy. Anyway – sorry to derail.
by HoustonDiehards on Nov 8, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I’m also an admirer of the Blazers. Good team, great city, great, passionate fans.
by HoustonDiehards on Nov 8, 2008 1:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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