The time has come: T-Mac trade options

by grungedave on Jan 14, 2009 10:18 AM CST in Whimsical Posts Comment 25 comments

I think we are quickly nearing the point of no return on Tracy McGrady. Especially if the Rockets have any serious interest in signing Ron Artest this offseason. Once again, thanks to the ESPN trade machine, I have constructed 4, yes FOUR, legitimate trade scenarios with the Chicago Bulls.

The Bulls have Derrick Rose, so acquiring Hinrich is the primary goal in any of these deals. See for yourselves:

Bulls may not be ready to dump Nocioni AND Noah just yet, so...

Simmons is thrown in to make the salary cap stuff work. Drew Gooden has an expiring contract. It could work.

Gordon would take convincing. Then again, playing with Yao and Artest should be the kind of trade that sells itself. Gordon is a weird dude though. But at least he can make free throws. Unlike Rafer.

This one is a little less likely... the Bulls have Nocioni signed somewhat long-term. But they may concede such a deal if they are able to get rid of Hinrich and Gordon at the same time... it could work. These are at least reasonable scenarios. And it would rid us of Rafer, too. Double bonus.

Anyone have any other ideas? This is all from 5 minutes on the trade machine... before I got my morning coffee.

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Pls can hav last trade?

by UofTOrange on Jan 14, 2009 10:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

that would be epic, huh?

imagine a lineup of Hinrich/Brooks at PG, Gordon/Wafer/Battier at SG, Nocioni/Artest at SF, Luis Landry at PF and Yao at C.

by grungedave on Jan 14, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Chicago resident here...

I’m not outright opposed to any of these trades. If I were Bulls GM John Paxson, I would be more than willing to dump, Noah, Good, or Hinrich.

I believe this is a ‘buyer be ware’ on both ends. I like Rafer. T-Mac is effective when healthy, and would most likely become our number one option on offense, in the playoffs he is a liability. But, any playoffs is better than no playoffs at all! Hinrich and Godden? You can have ‘em. Neither has ever gotten Chicago anywhere, but maybe both will benefit from a change in scenery. Hinrich is overpaid at 10M a year, though, for his numbers. He has been injured this year, though. Gordon, who I’ve been critical of, I’d still be reluctant to let go. He’s not worth the money he was seeking in the off-season, and is a liability on defense, but may be worth the 6M he makes now.

Pull the trigger, I say.

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by dfjmed on Jan 14, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Your Mom

How about Tracy McTeary for your mom? lol ha ha lol ha ha lol

Eff the Rockets. You guys should have unloaded him to the Pistons when you had a chance. I hope T-Mac drains your team of any life/energy they have. Can’t wait for round 1 bitches.

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by CB Jack on Jan 14, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I can't either. Rockets are going to sweep the Spurs.

Oh wait. You think that the Jazz are going to make the playoffs? That’s precious.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 14, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As a Bulls and Rockets fan...

These scenarios would be great for the Rockets but…
- Ben Gordon has been their best and most consistent player this year. I don’t think there’s any way Paxson lets him go, especially if it’s for an injury prone TMac in return.
- None of these trades solve the crowded guard situation with the Bulls, nor does it solve their lack of size in the front court. Carl Landry instead of Rafer, maybe, but the Bulls might want a more veteran forward.
- TMac’s a player that commands the ball a lot, and that would probably take away touches from D Rose (which I don’t think the management would like that)

The only way I think a Rockets-Bulls can trade happen is if there’s a third team involved to get a post man for the bulls (Elton Brand? Brad Miller?).

Unless the Rockets take Larry Hughes. And nobody wants Larry Hughes.

by j1m on Jan 14, 2009 12:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Chemistry killing trade

50cents on the dollar trade. T-Mac’s contract expires in 2010. Hinrich just came off an injury.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 14, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

no, you clearly don't get it.

T-Mac is responsible for everything that sucks right now. He’s why Artest’s ankle is swollen. He’s why Yao isn’t playing good defense. He’s why the refs hate Scola. He’s why Rafer still sucks. He’s why Battier had bone spurs.

He’s why there’s traffic on 290. He’s why Rockets games are blacked out on NBA League Pass. He’s why Pasadena smells like a heap of shit. He’s why I have to take Economic Statistics at 8AM. He’s why Rod Marinelli signed with the Bears. He’s why Drayton McLane won’t sign Ben Sheets. He’s why Charles Barkley couldn’t stop John Stockton in the 1997 Western Conference Finals.

He’s why the Israelis and Palestinians fight. He’s why Putin is a fascist. He’s why Bin Laden can’t be found. He’s why children in Africa starve.

I think we can all agree that the Rockets need to get such a cancer out of the locker room right away.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 14, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if these facts are true

Wow… he’s worse than I thought!

seriously though, I’d rather get 50 cents on the dollar for him today than 10 cents on the dollar tomorrow (like the Iverson trade).

by grungedave on Jan 14, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe I am just incredibly pessimistic beyond belief about the (lack of) talent on the Bulls roster, but I still see the Bulls making out better on this deal.

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by dfjmed on Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What Iverson trade?

Next year T-Mac will have a lot more value because of his expiring contract.

Basketballforum: Houston Rockets

by Cornholio on Jan 14, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait

shouldn’t T-Mac be appreciated since it’s his fault the Astros didn’t waste money on an injury prone Sheets?

However I did hear that Tracy is to blame for Kaz Matsui’s anal fissures. I’m not even going to bother speculating on how exactly he’s responsible for that, nor do I want to know.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 15, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sheets

Another player who can’t get beyond round 1…
at least Kaz waited to suck until the World Series.

by grungedave on Jan 15, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of the Astros...

Anyone else noticing the new “33 years and older” policy Ed Wade is implementing on his signings?

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Jan 15, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"Gordon is a weird dude though."

We have Artest, it doesn’t get weirder.

by SackLunch on Jan 14, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

We had Artest, too…we know! haha

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by dfjmed on Jan 14, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wow...

whine whine whine
t-mac is still a great player and to be honest i dont think he will be all that injured after next season. do you guys ever remember t-mac when it matters 22 in a row, you dont think he fueled some of that.
remember 40 points against the jazz in game 6 when no one did shit
honestly guys give him a chance he has done this for only 2 seasons get off of his back he will come back and probably go back to being a 22-27 point scorer again and i really do believe that he still is the main guy in houston
just lay off for a little bit if he doesnt do his thing by march then we start talking about trade

J'ed

by Rockets on Jan 14, 2009 4:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

You didn't get the memo? I'm pretty sure Blinebury sent one out a month ago.

You see, the current Rockets Fan Standing Order is to disregard all that T-Mac has done for the team in the past, ignore his flashes of brilliance this season, and then to bitch about him constantly.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 14, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember

remember 40 points against the jazz in game 6 when no one did shit

I was drunk shortly thereafter but I remember…
how’d the Rockets end up doing that game? Losing by 20? Oh, yeah…

T-Mac will never again be a 27 point a game scorer. Every statistical analysis ever done shows that once a player starts regressing (and make no mistake, T-Mac has been regressing since the moment we traded for him… though he was great when we acquired him). Tracy is the oldest 29 year old in the NBA…. to think he’s magically going to play like he’s 25 again is optimistic and shortsighted.

That said, I love it when Tracy plays hard and plays within the system (as he did during the Streak). The problem is that Tracy has gotten moodier and moodier with each passing year. Something is always bothering that guy. And frankly I’m getting annoyed by his growing status as a high-maintenance dude.

by grungedave on Jan 14, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was drunk shortly thereafter but I remember…
how’d the Rockets end up doing that game? Losing by 20? Oh, yeah…

How the fuck was that his fault?

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 14, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

because

Because the game is not just about who scores 40 points.
Look at Kobe… he could score 50 whenever he wants. He has learned (finally) that the team is better off if everyone gets to participate.
Oh, and T-Mac played ZERO defense in that game.

by grungedave on Jan 14, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sadly

I can’t comment on the defense (fuck you, NBA. Why did you put the series on NBATV?).

Nevertheless, T-Mac has always been good at facilitating his teammates. He passes well and can play point forward. Don’t blame him for his teammates’ various failures.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 14, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that said...

I agree it wasn’t his fault.
Games 1 and 2 were though.

by grungedave on Jan 14, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

T-Mac is still a great player?

I didn’t realize struggling to shoot 38% from the field was great. And while I’m thrilled that you think T-mac won’t be all that injured after next season, I’ve learned that it is not wise to make estimations of a players likely health based on the gut feeling of a fan. Rather past injuries, their likelihood of recurring, any underlying conditions, and age are better indicators. And, like his shooting percentage, none of those are positive for T-Mac.

by seanbergmanrules on Jan 27, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs