Thoughts on Houston vs Memphis – Game 8
Once again - Bullet Points - The Lazy Man's FriendTM
1. Memphis has a lot of talent, and no idea how to play basketball together, or perhaps, no real desire to play that way. It's hard to tell which. It's also hard to know why bad basketball teams stay bad. Bad coaching? Culture of losing? Bad management? Bad mix of player talents?
Anyway, it's one reason that I am opposed (though I have vacillated, I admit) to the idea of being in the lottery versus, maybe, getting the last playoff spot in the West. I prefer Houston to have a winning culture, to expect to win, and try to do so, no matter the odds, rather than accept a losing season as a foregone conclusion, and I cite Memphis as evidence to support my case.
2. The Basketball Prospectus "High Usage Rate Grizzlies" vs "Low Usage Rate Rockets" battle is thus far looking like a rout in Houston's favor. Briefly, the Memphis roster is absolutely loaded with players who consume a very high percentage of their team's attempts, ie High Usage. Adding the current Grizzlies 08-09 numbers together produces a team at over 100% usage, which is practically unheard of.
Houston's roster (absent TMac and Yao) suggests a team player usage far below 100%, which is also very odd. The rule of thumb is that low usage players get substantially worse with higher usage. This is not proving to be the case, as Ariza, Scola, Landry, Brooks, Lowry et al, are all maintaining their effectiveness while taking more shots. Only Battier seems to be slipping a bit at this point. More as this develops.
3. Back to Memphis. Why would a roster of Conley, Mayo, Gasol, Gay and Randolph be so bad? That is, ostensibly, a lot of offensive firepower at the very least. And yet, you can watch certain bad things unfold with them in real time. After the Rockets run in the 3rd, I said "Watch, they've given up now, already. You can see it. They're all just going to try to pad their stats now. There won't be much passing from them from here on out." And that is exactly what appeared to happen. Contrast that to Dallas, who continued their attack last night, and turned a blowout in our favor, into a blowout in theirs. At this point, I can't imagine Memphis doing that, despite what is on paper, fairly equal talent to Dallas.
4. Why does the NBA have so many "whistles"? There is the Star Whistle, which gives Star players a substantial amount of leeway when it comes to ticky-tack fouls, travelling and the like. There is the Super Star Whistle, which is worse, and produces outcomes like "No D on Kobe Bryant" or the "D-Wade Out of Control Drive Bailout" which effectively handed the Miami Heat an NBA title vs. the Mavericks. There is the Average Pro whistle, generally baseline and reasonable.
Then there is the Rookie Whistle, in which rookies, or new NBA players, get called for fouls that are either largely illusory, remarkably strict, or rarely enforced against experienced players, of any sort. Andersen, despite being a pro for 8 years in Spain, is getting the Rookie Big Man Whistle, which is essentially like being followed around the court by Elliott Ness in a striped outfit. The refs seem to be perfectly prepared to foul The Rookie Big Man out in one quarter, for basically, very little. This is the worst whistle of all. I'd like it if there weren't so many whistles.
5. Carl Landry needs more minutes. I'm going to call it now - he's made The Leap. He's a star in the making, his offensive arsenal is breathtaking, with both power and finesse in evidence. The Scola/Landry 1-2 punch lineup was fantastically effective tonight, with our PF combo going 19-28 for 42 points, 19 boards, 2 assists, 3 steals and 4 blocks in just slightly over full time minutes at 58.
6. Rick Adelman passed Jack Ramsay tonight, for 11th place in all-time NBA coaching wins. Sleepy or not, that's the high country.
7. I think we need a 3rd guy to run point. When garbage time rolled around, there was Lowry, still playing with the rookies, Pops, and Brian Cook. I'm now starting to feel bad for Brian Cook, and wonder what, exactly, went wrong there. No, I have no idea how a 3rd PG will happen. I don't want it to be injury, that's for sure.
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Good write-up, Christian
I’ll let this serve as the recap – I’m really, really tired. Sorry folks.
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by Tom Martin on Nov 12, 2009 12:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
as we always say:
Luis Landry to the rescue.
by grungedave on Nov 12, 2009 12:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can I just say, apropos of nothing,
that I am glad to see the “Agent 24” ad, and the “Twilight” ad, rather than the vaguely homo-erotic “Get Ripped Like This Tatted Up Dude” ad.
You guys get that one too, don’t you?
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by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 1:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
meh
could be worse. I was getting “Buy Utah Jazz Crap Now 10% Off!” ads for a while.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 12, 2009 1:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who here sees guys like Mayo, Conley, or Gay…
… spending their entire careers with the Grizz?
I don’t. Memphis gets these lottery picks and then when the losing doesn’t stop, they trade them away or let them leave.
What these guys do nothing in Memphis and once they leave and go to a more stable team, only then will they start to live up to their expectations… that is, if their careers aren’t already ruined by then…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Nov 12, 2009 1:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Typo… I meant “when these guys do nothing…”
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Nov 12, 2009 1:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't figure out what Memphis needs.
They have the talent to win, it would seem. They really do.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 1:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
I think we need a 3rd guy to run point
I don’t know… I kind of like seeing Lowry pad his stats. He came oh so close to a triple double off the bench.
The Basketball Prospectus “High Usage Rate Grizzlies” vs “Low Usage Rate Rockets” battle is thus far looking like a rout in Houston’s favor.
Yeah, we’re about 10% done with the season (that’s good enough for some level of certainty, right?), and I think it’s pretty clear by now that the Rockets’ problems are primarily defensive, rather than offensive. Scola has upped his usage without dropping too much in efficiency (have to see how his numbers come out after this game is factored in, too), and so has Brooks (by like 2%). Mostly, though, Ariza has really increased his attempts, for better or worse. His efficiency has dropped big time, so I guess one could interpret that as taking one for the team.
Depending on how long McGrady stays out, this Rockets team should really change some of the prevailing wisdom around the NBA. First, the usage versus efficiency debate gets a little tweaking (both sides kind of get supported: Ariza’s efficiency has dropped, but very few others have, and the Rockets are playing better offensive basketball than they have since 2001). Second, I think Yao’s impact on the defensive end of the court has to be totally reevaluated.
I’m going to call it now – he’s made The Leap. He’s a star in the making, his offensive arsenal is breathtaking, with both power and finesse in evidence.
I hesitate to call anyone a “star in the making,” but Landry seems to have perfected that turnaround jumper from about 15 ft. out, and he seemingly never misses anymore when he’s below the basket. He just seems to know what to do around the rim better this year. Maybe he’s just off to a hot start or something, but… The Rockets are going to have a big decision to make about him this offseason.
Just stay off the streets at night, Carl.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 12, 2009 1:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its interesting.
I don’t mind Lowry padding his stats at all, it’s just with all the 2PG lineups Adelman uses, it would be good to have a 3rd. McGrady can handle those duties, or could at one time, to reasonable effect, and it might be that Budinger could be a point-forward someday, his handle looks almost good enough now. Mainly I’d like to see a 6’3" guy with some PG skills, but very good defensive skills, and maybe a 3pt shot.
Usage Debate:
I think 10% is enough rope, at least. I think Ariza is going to come around, he’s really feeling his way into his expanded role. I think he’ll end up less effective than his LA numbers suggest, but still pretty good.
And yes, Yao seem pretty valuable at this point, defensively – efficient offense aside. Sure, guys can get a step on him and dunk sometimes, but they better get that step. All those changed shots are going to be the “QB Hits” stat for Yao – doesn’t fill the boxscore, but damn, it adds up.
Carl Landry
His double clutch move is amazing, and no, he just doesn’t miss much close to the rim, and his mid range shot is so good now that he’s just poison to guard. No one on Memphis came close to stopping him tonight, he scored at will. Can he keep it up? I think, largely, yes.
I wonder if we’re going to use a good chuck of our free cash in the off season to simply sign some of the guys we have. Will bigger money make people see them as “big time players”? Maybe.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yao seem pretty valuable at this point, defensively – efficient offense aside. Sure, guys can get a step on him and dunk sometimes, but they better get that step. All those changed shots are going to be the "QB Hits" stat for Yao – doesn’t fill the boxscore, but damn, it adds up.
Where I think it really adds up, though, is rebounding. Yao never really had a rep as a great rebounder, especially for someone his size, but the Rockets have really lost the rebounding edge they had last season. Part of that’s just because Chuck isn’t that great at rebounding, but Scola has had some trouble on the defensive glass, too. Yao’s such a huge guy that he impacts rebounding in ways that the basic rebounding don’t track.
I wonder if we’re going to use a good chuck of our free cash in the off season to simply sign some of the guys we have. Will bigger money make people see them as "big time players"? Maybe.
Well, this is why I’m convinced a big trade happens this season. It’s the only way the Rockets can keep their depth. Almost all of their cap space is going to have to be used on re-signing players. Signing a free agent just seems to be out of the question to me.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 12, 2009 1:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year I found Yao was pretty good at standing on the spot and have both arms up and let the opponents initiate the contact. Contact with a 300lb guy is gonna hurt a little so people change there shots a lot when his on court.
Another stat you don’t see about Yao but can see this year is Yao’s not great at rebounding but his great at boxing out and this year Rockets theres no one who’s boxing out and letting the forwards pick up the rebounds.
Just my 2c.
by Itoko on Nov 12, 2009 2:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point about Yao and rebounding.
I have a top secret project (in my own mind at least) that one day I may do enough to prove, or at least reveal, that deals with controlling space in 3 dimensions in basketball. Yao, I suspect, despite not having jaw dropping rebounding numbers, controls a vast amount of space for the Rockets, allowing them to be a more effective rebounding team.
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by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 2:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather see them have a 3rd PG than a guy like Cook, who is just on the team due to his big player option contract.
Who here REALLY thinks Cook would have made this squad had it not been for the 3.5 million guaranteed player option he’s getting? I’d bet the farm Conroy would be on the team right now instead if it wasn’t for that big money Cook’s getting…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Nov 12, 2009 1:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's without question.
He’s part of the price of Lowry. But don’t be surprised to hear the words “And Brian Cook’s expiring contract” at some point this year.
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by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 1:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If there is a God…
… we will hear the words “… and Brian Cook’s expiring contract” by the trade deadline.
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Nov 12, 2009 1:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with few more of Cook's empty shoots from downtown....
God’s speaking out soon…..
i can’t stand the guy! with his size, get your ASS in the paint. fight a little, get sweat! earn your DAMN $3.5 million (I know over 1/2 of the guy in the team will say the samething to his face in the locker room. i bet…)
don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!
by wanderboy on Nov 12, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
basically,
to cut Cook and replace him with a 3rd PG would take around $1.5 million (base salary + luxury tax). That’s probably less than what such a player would add (especially considering that Adelman would have to cut minutes from other players to incorporate him).
And Cook’s contract couldn’t be included in any trade. So, in a weird way (and this is why the NBA Salary cap kinda sucks) Cook’s worth more as a crappy guy taking up space than as a crappy unemployed guy.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 12, 2009 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't trade Cook, and his expiring contract?
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if he were cut, no we couldn't.
we would lose the rights to his contract.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 12, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, ok. I see.
He can, as a Rocket, be packaged in a trade for whatever value his expiring deal might have, then, yes?
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by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 1:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, of course
I was just talking about the possibility of cutting him, and why he’s worth more never contributing to anything on the court.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 12, 2009 1:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I just read it as "can't trade Brian Cook and his Famous Expiring Contract"
for some reason.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me, too.
I’m glad that ain’t the case…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Nov 12, 2009 1:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the way the NBA salary cap works
The soft cap means that players can have value in a variety of different ways, so savy GMs can find undervalued players.
In other words, it lets smart GM’s (like Morey) rip off worse GMs (like everyone else in the league).
by jack_ on Nov 12, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Cook’s only value is the fact that…
… his salary comes off the books at the season’s end.
That and they have some stiff to put into the game during garbage time.
Makes me wonder if that money is the reason why Cook is on the active list while Dorsey sits on the inactive list? Since Cook has zero future with the team and Dorsey could benefit far more from playing even just the garbage minutes, I think that big contract has also gotten Cook a seat on the active squad.
Personally, I’d rather have Dorsey there myself…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Nov 12, 2009 1:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There is some bad odor around Dorsey and the Rockets staff.
He’s either not developing, not what they thought he was or is acting in some way that annoys them. He would have to be more valuable than Cook, you’d think.
It looks more and more like Dorsey is going to end up, somehow, someway, being a Denver Nugget. It just feels that way to me, at least.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I won’t be stunned at all if…
… Dorsey is moved at the deadline as a filler piece in some trade.
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Nov 12, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All I would say about that is…
… “Goodbye, Joey. Please take Brian with you when you go”…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Nov 12, 2009 1:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly,
it doesn’t seem to really matter who takes Cook’s spot. Adelman has been using the same 9-man rotation in every game. Only in the complete blowouts has he gone to Taylor/Pops/Cook.
I guess that’s your (and Xiane’s) point – there should be a PG available for those games – but I don’t think it really matters at the end of the season if Cook gets 2.5 minutes/game instead of some anonymous d-leaguer.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 12, 2009 1:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d feel better if there was a 3rd PG in Cook’s spot instead of Cook…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Nov 12, 2009 1:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shit
just throw pops out there. see what kind of handles he’s got.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 12, 2009 1:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OR maybe this letter
Congratulations, Mr. Jermaine Taylor!
We are pleased to inform you that YOU ARE ALREADY A WINNER!
You are now officially Rockets PG#3! Here is a DVD collection of great Point Guard play. Go ye and do likewise! And don’t worry, it’s for 3-8 minutes a night in blowouts, you can’t really screw this gig up unless you consistently heave passes into the 8th row.
Enjoy, and don’t forget to wear a red headband!
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 2:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just garbage time.
I don’t know if it’s official or not, but Brooks has been favouring his ankle for a few days. If he has to sit out a game, all of a sudden it’s Lowry playing 48 or Budinger handling. You know that the Rockets want to have a 3rd pg there just in case.
by Moondebah on Nov 12, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
40+ for Lowry could a problem with foul issues.
I think he’s got the stamina to do it for several games, but we’re heading into a brutal stretch here, and we either need Brooks or Lowry needs help.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rockets King
When the Rockets started the season without Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady (not to mentioned the sale of Ron Artest), I just knew if there was a beneficiary from all this and that was Luis Scola. This is the time for him to step up to the plate and prove everything single penny that is worth it about him.
So far, that mission has been all good for both Scola and the Rockets. Tonight it’s just one of those nights which will a great example of what I’m trying to say. If coach, Adelman can build a solid team around him, I’m beckoning that we will something special this season.
The Spurs ignored him for what reason God knows, but here in this Rockets franchise Scola will tell them that they were wrong to let him go. Spurs lost, is Rockets victory.
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by sivanjohn on Nov 12, 2009 4:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome from Argentina.
If you read much around here, you know we are BIG fans of Luis Scola, and think we absolutely stole him from San Antonio. The deal made sense to them, because Scola was never coming over to sit behind Duncan, and he got a great shot in Houston. The Spurs got a little something, and we got a great player. Big win for us.
Our problem right now is finding enough minutes for the excellent play of Scola and Landry, so far it is working out, and it is a good problem to have.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He he

Mierda! Chuck Hayes is defending me!
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by DOH on Nov 12, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is why many respected and loved Chuck!!!
he’s the one doing the dirty works so others got their 20s, 30s….
don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!
by wanderboy on Nov 12, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marc Gasol : Pau Gasol :: Kevin Dillon : Matt Dillon
by Senses Working Overtime on Nov 12, 2009 8:56 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ouch.
It’s like a cruel but true SAT question.
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by Artest4Prez on Nov 12, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
moar like
:: Chester: Matt Dillon
amirite?
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 12, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly
wouldn’t make the Joe/Dom DiMaggio analogy here, because someone has to be Joe.
Pau and Matt Dillon seem about right – usually good, but only with a strong cast around him.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 12, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pau and Matt Dillon seem about right – usually good, but only with a strong cast around him.
Nice!
by Senses Working Overtime on Nov 12, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
landry....
……is a monstrosity in the paint. the man cannot be denied when he goes to the rim unless its a foul sending him to the line, where he is equally dangerous, not great but getting there. and he is a great defender, those were great blocks on RUDY GAY last night, in which rudy was looking to posterize somebody. that is impressive, deke worthy if you ask me, despite what shane said in the post game. and they were not flukes, carl is an already good defender learning to be great. i think it will be a huge loss to the rockets if we were to let him slip through our fingers, yes i like scola very much he has a great post game and outside shot, but landry is just on a different level. he needs to be one of the building block to our franchise.
this team is very good, not just on paper, and im starting to believe even more as the days pass.
Brooks is a legit scorer, fast, can see the floor good and is a good passer (some of late i think he is trying to force too much). also doesnt mind living in the land of the giants
Ariza can be the scorer we need him to be to start and demand a double team, shane – one of the best defenders in the NBA, can hit the outside shot
Lowry is a terrific PG and a great passer, not alot of players can see the floor like he can, and looks for the contact on the drive.
Landry is pretty much self explanatory when you watch his play, intensity, passion to go along with an impressive game inside and out (that 15 footer is starting to look good)
White Lightning (sorry im sticking with it guys, that was a good one) is showing some game in just his first year. can shoot from anywhere, and has got the hops to TAKE IT TO THE RIM. excited to see this kid develop even more.
Chucky may not light up the off stats, but he is a great defender thats not going to give any less than 100% when he’s on the floor. and for being undersized he holds his own and is not going to give up on us, and his post up game is not that bad, can show he can put the ball in the hoop.
Battier is also a work horse that is gonna give you hustle, as i stated is one of the best def players in the league.
Scola, another work horse, has a great post up game and outside shot that will work himself to the bone for us. and once again his play sp
Andersen is developing a good post game in the nba, has to tweak some things but overally i like his play and willing to see what he can bring later down the road.
Would like to see alot of the other guys get reps in the game (pops especially, and taylor, not so much cook-dont mean to hate on the guy, but he can stay seated) just love how this team is proving ppl wrong, im sure teams see us w/o yao and tmac and think they take it in a land slide, wonder what theyre thinking now. sorry about the length, just had to get this off my chest, im just a rockets fan until i die. ok that’s it.
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