Thoughts on 103-102 loss vs Lakers
by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 12:16 AM CST
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Bullet Points - The Lazy Man's Friend TM
- This is the first game I have attended this season, and the first with an eye to writing for TDS. I tried to watch action away from the ball as much as I could, and also to the view the Lakers as dispassionately as possible. It made for an interesting night.
- It's a big night for The House, isn't it? Lakers win another OT game on the road, the Yankees win the World Series. I think if you are not from New York or LA and you root for the Yankees or Lakers, respectively, it's like rooting for the house in blackjack. Or maybe rooting for cancer.
- Do they even SELL any jersey but the Kobe Bryant one for the Lakers? There were a fair few supporters of the evil empire at Toyota Center tonight, and every single one I saw had "Bryant" on the back. Except for the seedy-looking guy who had his own name of the back of a #24 jersey. Well played. I respect those imaginative Laker fans. I wonder how many know of any historic Laker players, other than Magic, maybe.
- Chuck Hayes - Just a splendid game from the Chuck Wagon. He scored the same number of points as Lamar Odom, and on six fewer shots. Everyone laughs at our tiny center, but no one has walked over him yet.
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Where did this plague of soft or inept 7 footers come from anyway?
Interestingly, Bill Simmons basically argues in his latest book (which I hope to have a review of in a few days, when I’ve got some more time) that it was Hakeem and Sampson that drove this. Teams scrambled to get taller after the ’86 Rockets showed the world what to great big men could do, and that helped create the category of “Giant Terrible Center” we all know and love today.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 5, 2009 12:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. I think I'll have to read the piece. I'm not sure I buy it.
I blame Rasheed Wallace and the Euros. There are very few traditional “Back to basket” centers now. There a lots of guys, ranging from Lamar Odom to Mehmet Okur, who SHOULD be real centers, but aren’t. Are they useful? Sure. Not as useful as an honest-to-God center can be, though.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kwame Brown: The next KG
Darko Milicic: The next KG
Nikoloz tskitishvili: The next Dirk
Robert Traylor: The next Shaq
Eddy Curry: The next Shaq
Robert Swift: ???
Bad centers come from the best players… In the continuous effort to get the “next big thing” GMs look at the game’s elite and pick the guy who most resembles the part (whether they’re ready or not)
by brianfbb on Nov 5, 2009 5:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True enough
Maybe it’s just every 7 footer gets this hype, but seeing players who even boast real center skills is getting rarer. They’re all like Dirk – really big SF, or Rasheed – really big PF. Or they’re stiffs, I guess.
I guess my thesis, if I have one, is that we’d see more success from these big men if they acted the part, instead of playing small. Having a supposed center who shoots the same 3pt percentage as a SF isn’t necessarily that helpful – why not let the SF do that?
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's very simple
Any kid who is 7’ tall these days wants to shoot three pointers…
not bang around and do “dirty work” near the basket.
Shooting the J is far more elegant and “fun” than working on post moves and footwork. Same reason kids would rather practice dunking than practice fundamentals and positioning.
by grungedave on Nov 5, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to troll, but...
…yeah the Lakers barely beat your team…but remember, you were the home team, you shot much better, you outrebounded them, AND they were missing an all-star (I know, I know, so are you…but yours isn’t coming back).
Kudos to the Rockets. They really brought the fight. Ariza had a tough night because he was guarded by two of the better defensive guys in the league, but I really like how he fits with the Rockets and when he made that three I even hated him a little bit.
Scola’s almost as good at flopping as Ginobili.
I hope someone links your comments on Kobe when people are considering the MVP vote later in the year and drooling over Lebron while downplaying Bryant due to his “supporting cast”.
I want to keep an eye on Landry, because I swear everytime the Lakers play the Rockets he goes off looking like an all-NBA forward.
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by Justin N. on Nov 5, 2009 12:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's very sad to hear you are missing an all-star. Are you missing 60% of your payroll? And a (real) ROY candidate?
I wonder what LA would do without Kobe? Not break 30 wins? Maybe with Gasol being featured they would, but it’s not certain.
I’m not sure LeBron plays with a better supporting cast, they’re worse, if anything. That includes Shaq – would you trade Bynum or Gasol or Odom for 1 year of Shaq – that is, a 1 year exchange.
The thing about this game is, Houston should have won it. And despite the “No D on Kobe” rule being enforced, almost did. We aren’t interested in moral victories or pity.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 1:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
like I said, ours is coming back...
…so speculating about what your team “could be” with Tmac and Yao is pointless because it isn’t going to happen. Also, I’d go out on a limb and say that your team matches up better with the Lakers WITHOUT Yao. Would Yao have been diving all over the court for those athletic layups like Hayes was tonight? No, he’d be taking 15 foot fadeaways over Bynum’s contested hands.
My point about Kobe was that when the MVP discussions come up, a lot of people say that Kobe has a much better supporting cast so doesn’t deserve the MVP as much as Lebron (for example). I like to give Kobe his credit when he deserves it because he gets harped on so hard these days, so I just wanted to point that out while you Rockies were acknowledging just how much he matters on this championship team (bring a team from 30 wins to a title? thats easily league MVP in my book). I’m not saying that Lebron has more support than Kobe does…it’s really impossible to tell that sort of thing. Just saying you can make a case for both of them. No, I don’t want Shaq on my team. At all.
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by Justin N. on Nov 5, 2009 3:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 30 win thing
would probably be in 82 game season against Houston without Kobe. But seriously, there is no way they would have won last night without him. It’s not just the points, though those help.
As for MVP, sure, it could be Kobe, and no real complaints here. It could be LeBron, and that’s fine too. A strong case can be made for either. I still would probably take LAs team over Clevelands. How many games does CLE win without LeBron? It’s scary to contemplate.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One other thing
Let me get this straight, long-term injuries don’t count when considering team performance, but short term injuries do?
Why?
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by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
You didn’t know that? It’s the typical response when teams play the Rockets.
“Well we were missing so-and-so…”
As if we have no clue as to what THAT’S like….
by erod on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Short term injuries count more than long term injuries.
For the same reason future draft picks don’t count when evaluating a specific performance. Almost any time we talk about “who’s the better team” we mean “this season” or sometimes even “tonight.” Yao certainly doesn’t apply under this metric, though McGrady should.
by Moondebah on Nov 5, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of people say that Kobe has a much better supporting cast so doesn’t deserve the MVP as much as Lebron (for example)
Look, Lebron is better than Kobe.
And you know what? So is Chris Paul. Now, when you get down to Wade, there’s a discussion, but this little “Kobe vs James” thing is tired and stupid. Lebron’s just the more valuable contributor on the court.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 5, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
LeBron is a more physically gifted athlete, sure.
But as a polished and complete basketball player? Uhh, Kobe kicks his ass there.
by grungedave on Nov 5, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kobe is still the best too
I do believe firmly that next year it becomes Lebron at one
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by UofTOrange on Nov 5, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Lebron were more polished
yes, he’d be unbelievably outstanding. But as a pure contributor on the basketball court, Lebron is still better unpolished than Kobe is with all his experience and practice. That’s not bad or anything. Kobe’s a great contributor, but Lebron’s just better.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 5, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
When did LeBron learn a post move?
by grungedave on Nov 5, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why that matters
In every per-possession statistic but turnover percentage (a big issue, but not one that kills him), Lebron beat Kobe last season. Every last one. He shot better from the field, got to the line more, even passed better. And his defense isn’t terribly fucking overrated like Kobe. It’s just not an argument. Or, if it is, it’s one generated entirely by Nike to sell shoes.
Lebron vs. Paul is at least an argument. Kobe vs. Wade is an argument. This isn’t even close.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 5, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the game is about rings
the media and public identify the superstars and from them we begin to pick out the future hall of famers. For these players, the only comparison you can make is rings.
And of course there is marketing storylines. Bulls Dynasty leads into Spurs winning first championship, setting up future events. Shaq and Kobe Dynast rises and falls, and Duncan returns, winning two more titles, and four total, tying him with Shaq. Kobe returns with a new crew, and now is the wizened veteran defending the ways of the Dunk Masters carried down from generation to generation, from Dr. J to MJ to Kobe.
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by tandur on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best comment ever.
If Lakers fans feel the need to argue that, “no, this Rockets team isn’t quite on the level of the defending champions,” then I feel better than ever about about the rag-tag crew we’re sending out there.
by Metalate on Nov 5, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am missing 20% of my paycheck
But really, a foul can be called on almost any given contested Kobe shot .. because there usually is one, if you look hard enough.
Also, the Rockets would have won if Ariza had not had such a horrendous shooting night.
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by Gils_Keloids on Nov 5, 2009 1:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I feel for you as much as you feel for me.
Maybe we don’t need to look so extra special hard for fouls on Kobe. He doesn’t need the help.
And yes, Ariza and Artest switched bodies or something. Ariza, the guy who stays within himself and the system, got replaced by a Artestian gunslinger, while Ron mainly shot open looks all night. It was, frankly, creepy.
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by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes...
…Kobe gets hacked or a lot of body contact and no call…often leading to a technical like the one he got tonight. Sometimes he gets grazed on the elbow going up for a shot, breaks away cleanly, and gets easy peezy and-1s. They’re fouls, they’re just not called consistently by any means. Like Gils said, I’d wager that Kobe gets far more non calls against him than freebie no foul calls.
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by Justin N. on Nov 5, 2009 3:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pretty much wager the opposite based on what I saw.
When he doesn’t get a call he thinks he deserves, which is basically every possible opportunity, he launches into full Greek Tragedy mode, rends his uniform and appeals to the gods to spare him this unjust world.
An amazing player, who unfortunately thinks every shot should be an “and 1” for him. We’re not going to agree on this, no doubt.
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by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can wager that all you want
But would you wager that he gets more non calls than say Luis Scola? Or heck, any single other Rocket with significant playing time? How about any other Laker? Anyone other than Lebron?
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by UofTOrange on Nov 5, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm. a couple quibbles from a non-laker fan...
chuck hayes was great. but i wouldn’t say the comparison is with lamar. its with bynum (who had a great game)
kobe got calls? this may be true… but did you see the 4th quarter of the game down the stretch? the lakers couldn’t buy a call. it was pretty bad, seeing the refs get swayed by the crowd/simply miss a couple calls. im pretty sure it evened out in the end in terms of impact calls. but your argument about kobe would prove more worthy if you acknowledged this.
by mandoman10 on Nov 5, 2009 1:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ok - let's do that.
How much better was Bynum than Hayes?
Bynum 17pts on 6-15 shooting, 17 rebounds, 5 asst, 1 steal, 3 blocks. A decent game, and a good game should be expected, given the 7 inch height advantage.
Hayes – 14pts on 7-9 shooting, 14 rebounds, 2 asst, 2 steal, 1 block. Does Chuck really give up much here? Given the shooting efficiency (almost all layups), its very close.
As for the calls – I’m not sure I saw what you saw. I think overall, the reffing was pretty good, and fair. Except when it comes to Bryant. He shot 15FT. Or in other words, the entire Rockets starting lineup shot 1 more FT than Kobe.
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by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 1:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What Chuck Hayes and Carl Landry do at their size
Is remarkable.
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by Gils_Keloids on Nov 5, 2009 2:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What Chuck Hayes and Carl Landry do at their size against the Lakers
is remarkable
fixed that for you
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by Justin N. on Nov 5, 2009 3:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They do it against everyone.
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by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 7:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
They kinda have NBA jobs specifically because they perform like that against EVERYONE, not just the Lakers.
by grungedave on Nov 5, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Misleading.
Kobe shot more free throws, but he also took the most shots, twice as many as any other Rocket not named Ariza. Only three were shot outside the arc. Ariza, who led the Rockets in shot attempts, took 9 less shots than Kobe, but shot more than twice as many threes. If you want to talk about Kobe vs. the Rocket’s starting lineup, the difference in 3PA 3 is 22. How often do you get called for a shooting foul out there?
Not to mention the difference in free throws taken for both teams came out to be 24 to 28. It’s not as bad as you make it out to be.
by brianfbb on Nov 5, 2009 5:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fair point regarding 3pt shooting
The bad part was the many “no contact” fouls.
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by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As for Bynum vs. Hayes
you neglected to mention that Bynum also played 8 more minutes than Chuck did.
by jack_ on Nov 5, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya. chuck had a good game. what im saying is that this post said chuck destroyed his oppponent. lamar
as you said bynum had a decent game and wasn’t destroyed. so you agree with me.
on the fouls. i agree it was even steven. thats what im saying. kobe got calls cause he shoots more. rockets got a bunch of calls in the early fourth.
sounds like we are on the same page if you actually read what i wrote and dont overreact to it just casue its a balanced perspective and isn’t anti-rockets in anyway.
by mandoman10 on Nov 7, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW at this late date
I didn’t say Chuck destroyed his opponent. I said he played a splendid game, outscored Odom, and basically played Bynum to a draw.
And sure, that would be fine about Bryant and FT, but we didn’t shoot any FT in the 4th. Maybe one.
If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.
by Xiane on Nov 8, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
“and also to the view the Lakers as dispassionately as possible.”
Given the tone of this write-up, I am going to have to say you failed on that one.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
by pslakerfan on Nov 5, 2009 3:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i don't really think so.
only a few bullet points would justify your claim and that ain’t enough considering the length of the post. you’re just petty to the point that you chose to focus on those few. He criticized both sides quite fairly.
by suzaku on Nov 5, 2009 6:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently you didn't read what I wrote....
I just said he failed at viewing the Lakers dispassionately. Nothing more, nothing less. Apparently you chose to read more into it than that.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
by pslakerfan on Nov 5, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its hilarious
No matter what positive things I say about LA or Kobe, say one negative thing and what do you hear about?
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by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No shit
Dwyer’s probably one of the most objective writers out there, and if he ever writes that Kobe isn’t quite as great as Laker fans think he is, he gets “hater” thrown at him.
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 5, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So let me get this straight..........
You start with this……….
“and also to the view the Lakers as dispassionately as possible.”
and then immediately jump into this………
“I think if you are not from New York or LA and you root for the Yankees or Lakers, respectively, it’s like rooting for the house in blackjack. Or maybe rooting for cancer.”
this….
“Do they even SELL any jersey but the Kobe Bryant one for the Lakers? "
this….
“I wonder how many know of any historic Laker players, other than Magic, maybe.”
this……(twice)
“IF LA (meaning Kobe)”
this….
“The NBA has apparently instituted a “No D on Kobe” rule this year."
and this…
“Phil Jackson always does something to remind me why I hate him so much.”
And somehow you think you said ONE thing about Kobe or LA??? Ha. Sure. I just said you failed at your attempt to view the Lakers as dispassionately as possible. After re-reading your post you don’t agree? Um, OK.
Hate the Lakers all you want, I could care less, I hear it all the time. Just admit it, there is no need to deny it.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
by pslakerfan on Nov 5, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You seem a very literal-minded sort. Also, kind of oversensitive, like many, many, LA fans.
Look up the term “hyperbole” – it may open new doors for you.
I really tried to view the Lakers play as dispassionately as possible – and I think my description of such reads that way. I should have clarified that, I suppose, so the literalists out there wouldn’t get all anxious.
Since you quote me so liberally – lets look. I really do think that rooting for the overdog teams, unless you’re actually from there is a weak-willed sort of fandom. Is LA a cancer on the league? There’s an argument to made that yes, they are. That’s more the fault of David Stern than LA, though.
I saw about 200 Lakers jerseys last night. They were ALL some form of Kobe jersey. That’s simply a fact. Given the rich history of the Lakers, don’t you find it odd that not 1 in 200 was anything but Kobe? I did.
LA does mean Kobe, as far as I can tell. He put up 30 shots, and scored 41 points, and played maniacal help D. As Kobe goes, so go the Lakers. Prove otherwise. This is an impartial argument.
Kobe took 15 FTs, 1 less than Houston’s entire starting lineup. I saw at least 5 foul call plays where there was no contact and several more where the contact was nominal. I don’t blame Kobe for the whistles, I DO blame him for his absurd histrionics and evident attitude of entitlement when it comes to help from the officials.
Phil Jackson did exactly what I described. It’s a fact. I think he’s a jackass, and that was one more point in my case against him, that’s an opinion. It has nothing to do with how LA played.
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by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looked up hyperbole...........
Turns out it is a synonym for “a common excuse used by people that got caught trying to pass off BS as truth.” Weird, I didn’t know that , thanks.
As far as proving the Lakers don’t go as Kobe goes…..exhibit A (Lakers circa 2005-2007)…..exhibit B (the Lakers have played 5 crappy games in a row without Pau. Kobe has looked good, the team has looked like crap. I would say as Pau goes so go the Lakers).
Since you saw 200 Kobe jerseys in Houston I think what you are saying is that there are a lot of Kobe/Laker bandwagon fans in Houston. No argument there. Try catching a game at Staples then make a judgement. By Staples I mean sit with real fans, don’t just tell me what you see in the front row on TNT.
Sorry for being so literal. Thanks for the info on hyperbole though.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
by pslakerfan on Nov 5, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, as you got it wrong while being spoonfed, I don't know how much more I can help you.
My opinion only – I have no fear, none, of an LA without Kobe. I’d expect to win 8/10 games with them.
Odom is erratic. Bynum can’t stay healthy. Gasol is good, but can’t carry a team. The less said about the corpse of Fisher the better.
Keep trying with the dictionary, or were trying out your newfound vocab word on me? Clever, clever.
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by Xiane on Nov 5, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sympathetic ear
Loss of such a close game is tough. I was feeling exactly as you do about 10 years ago. I count 17 sorrowful points in your original post and 9 since.
by Lakermoto on Nov 5, 2009 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Really
“LA would be a bad team without Kobe. Not “barely a playoff team”, not an “average team”, a bad team."
How about mentioning that they played this game without Gasol? Do you think that possibly had something to do with the flow of their offense? Completely disingenuous statement to say this without viewing the team with Gasol. Makes you sound like a sad bitter little man.
by ucsbcub on Nov 5, 2009 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"waaa waaa"
“Rockets fans are bein’ meeeen to mah teeeam”
by Only_A_Lad on Nov 5, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha hehe
Looks like the Rockets fans are the only ones crying here.
by Lakermoto on Nov 5, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gasol?
You’re talking about Pau Gasol – the guy who “led” a 25 win team before he was traded to L.A.?
same guy, right? Hmmmm, ok.
by grungedave on Nov 5, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that’s not fair. It’s an insult to Odom and Bynum and Artest to compare them to the supporting cast of any pro Memphis team of the past…..ever.
by Moondebah on Nov 5, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
okay let's compare all of them
Odom never won anything without Kobe.
Bynum still hasn’t done anything worthwhile.
Artest had one previous legit chance to win a ring (with Reggie Miller), but he got into a fight and ruined that.
Kobe is the Man. Gasol, Odom, Bynum and Artest would all be classic underachievers but for Kobe dragging them to new heights.
Without Kobe, the Lakers win maybe 30-35 games. And there would be a LOT of in-fighting and no Phil Jackson to clean up the mess.
by grungedave on Nov 5, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What can you say? The Lakers are a team built around Kobe, not a whole lot differently than like the Spurs are built around Duncan.
by brianfbb on Nov 5, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow ... Lakers fans
You already have the bragging rights being the defending champions and having Kobe and all … and you’re still so antsy about criticisms from fans of other teams???
Sports rivalries are good for bringing in a greater audience share. I think one is now starting to develop between Houston and L.A. And to think there’s such a disparity in star power and salary cap. This will indeed be an interesting season!
by RoxBeliever on Nov 6, 2009 1:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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