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by n1ck34 on Dec 28, 2009 10:26 PM CST

Now that we are officially seeking a T-Mac trade, I am sure this site will be littered with attempts. Several things must be kept in mind when formulating these deals

1. The trades must create value for the seasons to come or they will be pointless. As hard as you want to believe it, we are not championship contenders this year. I came up with a hypothetical trade for Jermaine O'Neal and James Jones for T-Mac and David Anderson. This trade is useless because after this year, the only thing we are left with is Jones bad contract. There is no point in trading T-Mac if it would make more sense just to wait for his contract to expire.

2. Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry both will need to be re-signed this offseason. Unless the incoming players are more valuable, we will still need cash to sign these guys. In precedent, Ramon Sessions was given a four year contract last off-season averaging about 4 mil per year. A player of similar value to Scola, David Lee was given a 7 mil, one year contract, which many view to be a bargain. Also, we will have to resign Yao, Landry, Hayes, and Brooks in the next season, all who will likely be expecting raises.

3. Most teams will not clear cap just to clear cap. Not all teams believe they legitimately have a shot at signing LeBron, so they are not going to trade away half their team for a chance to do something. Lots of teams still believe they have a shot at the playoffs and will expect something of value in return....T-Mac does not count.

4. The other team actually has to accept the trade....duh

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So basically...

If we do in fact trade McGrady, here’s some trade scenarios:

1.) McGrady for a slew of mediocre contracts. Basically we trade T-Mac straight up we lose our flexibility in the cap because we’d have to take back 2-3 bad deals to make the move work.

2.) McGrady + Bryan Cook’s contract + Role player for talented youngster + bad contracts. That’s the most logical move here. Cook’s carcass/expiring deal goes with T-Mac and one of our solid role players (Lowry/Scola/Hayes/Andersen/Battier) and we pick up a young rising star, maybe a bad contract or two, and one expiring deal. Unless you’re getting Chris Paul or a stud PF, DO NOT INCLUDE BROOKS OR LANDRY in this type of trade (I couldn’t think of any stud PF’s this morning).

3.) McGrady for a disgruntled star/2 disgruntled role players. This one I just thought up. Maybe package T-Mac with Jermaine Taylor and acquire somebody else’s ‘trash’ (one man’s trash is another’s treasure after all).

These are “in theory” trade potentials for this team, not actual ideas. I’d prefer we keep the carcass or buy him out as to not disrupt this teams chemistry.

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by Nitroberg on Dec 29, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions

how does #2 work?

McGrady plus Brian Cook equal about $28.5M in salary. There isn’t a single team in the NBA that can come up with a reasonable trade to match that under the rules. (Remember the 125% rule…).

I think McGrady rots on the sidelines ala Marbury and Iverson and his contract simply expires in July. There really aren’t any viable trades to be found that would help us.

by grungedave on Dec 29, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions

And then I realized...

There aren’t any Isiah Thomas’s out there to dupe, and Daryl Morey is NOT taking back any bad contracts. Two such trades would involve:

#1: Trade with New Orleans
Houston Gets: Chris Paul, James Posey, Peja Stojovich and Darius Songalia
New Orleans Gets: T-Mac’s Carcass, Aaron Brooks :(, Luis Scola and Bryan Cook

#2: Trade with Sacramento
Houston Gets: Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Andres Nocioni and Beno Udrich
Sacramento Gets: T-Mac’s Carcass, Luis Scola, Jermaine Taylor and Bryan Cook

Of course, these are IN THEORY. My choice would be to let the HUMAN DISAPPOINTMENT rot in Chicago with Tim Grover until July and then WE cash in.

B^2
In Daryl Morey, Rick Smith and Ed Wade we (usually) trust.

by Nitroberg on Dec 30, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions

I say.....

Whatever we need to get Joe Johnson. We need more consistent shooters. I think next year we are good in every position except SG.

by Texas08 on Dec 29, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions

Joe Johnson would be ideal

We could move Battier back to the bench where he excels the most. I would be perfectly fine with letting Lowry walk in the off-season if we could get Johnson. Scola’s contract is going to be the deciding factor though

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by n1ck34 on Dec 29, 2009 1:04 PM CST reply actions

Why not go for the #1 pick?

McGrady + cash to New Jersey for Bobby Simmons’ and Tony Battie’s expiring contracts and their #1 and a 25% chance at John Wall? That’s a franchise-changing pick.

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by TheCool1 on Dec 29, 2009 2:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions

Rule #4

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by n1ck34 on Dec 29, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions

Meaning?

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by TheCool1 on Dec 29, 2009 3:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

no way in hell they would do that

by fireli90 on Dec 29, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions

maybe trade for a lottery pick, but no team would give up a likely top 5 pick.

by fireli90 on Dec 29, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions

I understand it's unlikely, but why not try?

NJ may still have those far-fetched dreams of a top FA coming this summer.

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by TheCool1 on Dec 29, 2009 3:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

true, but i cant see a trade working out

his salary is 23mil, how many bs players do we need to take up in order to get that, and by taking up some bs contracts, we won’t be able to resign the likes of scola and landry or brooks.

by fireli90 on Dec 30, 2009 2:08 AM CST up reply actions

Meaning what?

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by TheCool1 on Dec 29, 2009 3:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions

They already have enough money to get a top FA

How is trading expiring contracts going to help?

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by n1ck34 on Dec 29, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions

no they don't

If McGrady’s contract simply expires, the Rockets will have at most $14M to spend (and that’s assuming they renounce the rights to Scola, Lowry and others). The cap is going to shrink to the low $50Ms next year and with the Rockets already way over the cap it’s not like we get an automatic $23M to spend with McGrady expiring.

by grungedave on Dec 29, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions

Here's my question -

Are they (meaning the NBA I suppose) really going to have a ton of teams over the cap because it shrunk and then have those same teams pay the luxury tax for being over? Tax for being over an expanding cap, or a static one makes sense. Penalizing teams because fixed contracts exceed a declining cap seems sort of ridiculous – particularly if some of those teams are losing money anyway.

Is there any precent for this? Am I missing something? Could some sort of waiver be put in place for this scenario?

by Xiane on Dec 30, 2009 1:49 AM CST up reply actions

no precedent at all

This summer will be the first time since the salary cap era that the cap will actually shrink… and according to the rules as currently in place, teams will still be hit with the luxury tax (unless some last minute changes are made – there’s always a chance the NBA and the Player’s Association could come up with a one year “waiver” of the tax).

by grungedave on Dec 30, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions