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Deep Thoughts on the Rafer Alston/Kyle Lowry Trade

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Daryl Morey made a move, but it wasn't the one we expected.  Everybody considered any one of the following players to become a Rocket at some point in time:

  • Vince Carter
  • Baron Davis
  • Amare Stoudemire
  • Mike Miller

As for moving Rafer, we considered another list of qualified candidates:

But, alas, we ended up with Kyle Lowry of the Memphis Grizzlies.  And some bums that won't be here long. 

Before I did any researching, I e-mailed Joshua Coleman from 3 Shades of Blue and asked for some general thoughts on Lowry.  Here's what he had to say:

Kyle Lowry is a bulldog. He is full of tenacity, intensity and determination.  He plays with a ton of energy anytime he's on the floor.  He doesn't have a great jumpshot at this point, but he looks to push the pace pretty often, resulting in a lot of transition opportunities.  He's not really your traditional point guard, as he isn't a great playmaker, but with a quality post presence like Yao Ming on board to dump the ball into, I suspect that shortcoming should be masked fairly well.  He's very physical on both sides of the ball and has established a reputation for being a very good man-to-man defender.

Jump.  You know you want to.

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Thoughts on Kyle Lowry

According to Joshua's sentiments, we've got a few things to work with.  He's a great defender (according to some, he has All-NBA defensive team potential), can out-hustle you, and isn't afraid of anything.  While it was noted that Kyle isn't a great playmaker, he probably hasn't been in many big-play situations at this point in his career, so there is defnitely room to improve on that label.

I've seen Kyle play in college and briefly in the NBA.  He's one of those guys who I thought had a ton of potential but should have stayed in college.  Lowry chose to leave Villanova after one season, and was drafted with the 24th overall pick as an extremely raw talent.  Normally, I want players to stay in school and get an extra year or two of development, but I thought it was especially prevalent in Kyle's case.  From what I saw, he was, like Joshua said, a bulldog.  He could get in the lane by means of either quickness or just pure desire.  He played taller than his height, was a gifted and determined defender, and had a decent jump shot.

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However, in watching Kyle play, I kept asking myself the same question: Is he really a point guard?  Again, my observations of Lowry have been brief, but he seems a bit too trigger-happy to be a point guard.  He's a 2-guard in a point guard's body, and that normally causes trouble.  His passing skills were never on display, and until I double-checked how short he was, I always thought he would be a 2-guard in this league.  Obviously, the Grizzlies decided that Mike Conley would be a better pure point guard than Lowry in the long run.  Having said that, nothing is set in stone, and also having watched that Villanova team play, I also got a good look at Randy Foye.  Foye had questions as to what position he would play in the NBA as well.  But after a few seasons and endless complaints from fans about how they wish they'd kept Brandon Roy, Foye is looking much better, and is looking like a true point guard.  He's averaging about 5 assists per game now, close to the same number as one Rafer Alston has averaged here in Houston for the past three seasons.

While I'm not saying that Foye and Lowry are one in the same, I am pointing out that a player with the same college background and same questions coming into the league was able to develop nicely up to this point.  Foye isn't quite there yet, but he's taking huge strides.  Lowry may not be as good as Foye, but he is certainly two very important things: 1. Talented, and 2. Young.  He's only 22 years old, folks.  He's got time to develop, and while we may not have time to see it happen to its fullest extent, we can at least hope for some quick improvement based off the commonchange of scenery.  Look at Devin Harris, for example.  He was held back in Dallas amid the scheme they ran under Avery Johnson, but once he moved on to New Jersey, he was able to showcase his game. 

Lowry may be the same way, only, yet again, not at the same level.  He's now got a go-to post man to throw it into, and I am hoping that the veterans that we have in Houston will calm his obsession with shooting so many threes, because he isn't very good at it (25.8% career).  He's also not very turnover prone, and his free throw percentage has improved significantly this year.  In addition to that, while many people may whine that he doesn't get assists, he averaged 4.8 assists in the 21 games that he started this year.  So that's that.  Basically, what I'm banking on is that Lowry can become a smarter player in Houston and properly use all of the talent that he has.

Goodbye, Skip

Though not to the degree of Dave, I've never liked Rafer that much.  I've said why that is many times, so I don't feel the need to repeat myself.

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I was listening to Carl Dukes on ESPN Radio today, and he said that a major reason not to trade Rafer was because he was our "vocal leader."  I have a big problem with that.  It seemed to me that Rafer was our volunteer leader rather than our true leader.  When he spoke, it was always about "we aren't doing this right" or "we need to do this better."  It was never "I'm not doing this right" or "I think we're doing this well," normally things that a leader uses in context.  And better yet, a leader needs to be trusted, and based purely off of statistics, it would be tough to trust Rafer on the court.  He's streaky by nature, and while you may rely on him one game out of five, he's not consistent enough to be a leader.  Ron Artest, Shane Battier, and hopefully saavy vets like Brent Barry and Dikembe Mutombo - they are the candidates to be the leader of this team.  In Tracy's absence, a new leader must step up, but it was never going to be Rafer.  Shane handeled the media well - hopefully he does some good in the locker room as well.

Losing Alston rids us of money, bad shot selection, and a tendency to screw up fast breaks.  But it also loses us someone that, on occasion, can step up, hit a big shot upon receiving a pass, will not turn the ball over often, knows how to run the offense, and can play good defense.  Hopefully Kyle Lowry will fill the voids that Rafer's departure opens up.  In my mind, however, the bad's out-weighed the good's, and contrary to what many believe, this is not a white flag.  Rather, it's a fresh red one.

How Lowry Fits in with the Rockets

Aaron Brooks will probably start at point guard, thus receiving a boost of confidence from Daryl Morey, but at the same time, also receiving some brand new competition.  I think we will fare quite well with this tandem.  They are both quick and relentless, and Aaron has played well enough of late to merit this promotion.

Lowry is going to be a backup for now.  He's going to have to learn Adelman's Offense 2.0, but that shouldn't be as difficult as some have made it out to be.  Once aquainted with the offense and the general customs of the Rockets, Lowry will be on the spot to perform well.  We didn't trade Rafer to merely clear cap space; we made sure to get someone who, raw as he is, will be expected to help us as the stretch run nears.  It will be interesting to see how he manages to fit in with us, but his role for now will be as a backup.

What's Going on in Morey's Mind?

Nobody truly knows what Boy Genius is thinking.  We speculate, but often times, like in this instance, we miss the boat.  As for this trade, I'm not sure what specifics Morey is looking into, but I do trust him whatever the case may be.  It's rare when you can trust a GM never to screw up, and while he may eventually make a mistake (could be this trade itself), at least we are confident that he has looked at every single statistic or scenario possible.  Once that has been done, he lives or dies with his decision.  Morey may mess up in time, but he surely won't miss anything, and on this occasion, I think he made a very good deal.

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Hahahaha

listening to Morey’s press conference on 610. He literally telling us that we upgraded the team today with the trade. I hope he’s right, but I highly doubt it.

by goingforthecorner on Feb 19, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions  

yup

“Lowry averages more blocks-caught than Rafer, which is in fact a non-selfish statistic…”

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Feb 19, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the real value of the trade is this:

At the very least, I’d say that Lowry is roughly on par with Skip, in terms of statistics – he shoots better from the field, but isn’t as good from the arc; he has fewer assists, but (as the Dwyer article points out) that might be because of the Grizzlies’ poorer talent.

But, even if he is Rafer’s equal, that’s fantastic. Because Lowry is TEN YEARS YOUNGER than Alston!

How can you improve your team and get good young talent when you routinely finish with a low or middle-of-the-pack draft pick? How do you do it when you’ve traded those picks away for proven players? You do it like this. Morey has pulled off something rather remarkable here. He was able to dump about $4 million/year in salary and get a young player with potential essentially by giving away the older, more expensive player. He effectively swapped Rafer for Lowry.

Obviously, we can’t pronounce this a successful trade until Lowry has played for the Rockets, but this reminds me a lot of the Scola trade – getting a decent player for practically nothing. And that’s turned out marvelously.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 19, 2009 7:14 PM CST reply actions  

Wow.
He was able to dump about $4 million/year in salary and get a young player with potential essentially by giving away the older, more expensive player. He effectively swapped Rafer for Lowry.

Could not have said it better myself. Just as a player personnel move, that’s amazing. Whether it will help our team or not remains to be seen.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Feb 19, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been hearing we took up more money

because of Cook. Are we dumping him or what? Morey hasn’t said anything about that.

by goingforthecorner on Feb 20, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Someone

Maybe someone with more knowledge of NBA contracts could explain this. I know Cook has a big player option for next year, but I don’t understand how guaranteed money works in the NBA. If we cut him right now, how much do we owe him? How about if we cut the two filler players we got to match up salary? Regardless, I like the trade.

by seanbergmanrules on Feb 20, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

if you cut him,

you have to pay him all the money from the contract (including the player option), and all that money goes towards the cap. What will probably happen is that the Rockets will buy out Cook’s player option during the offseason.

But the Rockets will probably save cap space after the buyout.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 20, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought this team was on win-now mode

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying giving up Alston makes us lose all hope but I just thought we would get an upgrade that wouldn’t have to take time to develop.

Hope Brooks and Lowry are ready enough to help this team, but of course this is still mainly on Yao and Artest to be the true leaders of this team.

by misterterrific on Feb 19, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

Also,

it is crazy how people are going over this trade at ClutchFans. And not in a good way, either. “This season is over”-type crap.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 19, 2009 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

Question

How could this deal even work? We gave up 1 player and got 2? I thought we couldn’t have more than 14 players on the roster, that’s why we gave up Steve Francis to Memphis to be able to sign Mutombo.

And if somebody is getting waved, can it please be Luther Head?

Regarding this trade, I believe we could have gotten more for Rafer Alston, especially since Orlando is desperate for a PG. And this trade also puts us in a big disadvantage, we’re going to have probably the smallest PG tandem in the league. They are both 6 ft, compared to San Antonio’s Parker and Hill at 6 ft 2 in.

I don’t know how this will turn out, but it’s a bit scary…

by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Feb 19, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

The guys being waved

Will be the excess players we received.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Feb 19, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Bad deal is all I can say for now

I may be a little judgemental here, because I’ve never heard of this Lowry, and never watched him play. But here’s my two cents.

Obviously, Rockets got Lowry for defense, but don’t forget he’s a 6-foot midget too. He’s not a shooter though according to Hollinger, he’s trigger happy, and more importantly he’s not a passer either. Arguably, T-Mac is the person who knows best how to pass to Yao in Rockets, but with him out of the horizon now, Rafer is/was the one, so my question is who can fuckling pass the ball to Yao now, because when Yao is shut down, we are in serious trouble. Besides, people say Lowry has potential, but we don’t have the time for him to develop. What we need is a quick and effective upgrade.

Although I don’t like Rafer much either, I still think no deal is better than this deal. Maybe Daryl saw much more than I saw, or he has other plans I can’t figure out, but I start to worry about the post season now. Hopefully, I’m wrong.

by Pegasus_BMW on Feb 19, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

Nah Man

As much as i love the rockets, i dont think lowry is going to be as effective as rafer…rafer knew the offense and now you bring a young point guard that cant shoot into a rockets team that thrives on effective shooting. This might help in the long run but the rockets need a spark now because tracy is most likely gone forever, crazy pills is getting old, and yao wont be the same in three years.

Rockets should have went for a big move….

by skadura on Feb 19, 2009 8:18 PM CST reply actions  

Speaking of old

They would have gotten 32 year old Vince Carter, who is expensive as hell. This was the right move, and this was the move we wanted to make from the beginning.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Feb 19, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

And Yao

Has a good five or six productive years left in him, I’m sure.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Feb 19, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

honestly

Rafer alston only really had 2 good things about him…

A. He could make an entry pass to Yao…
B. He knows how to run the offense real well

The bad things are alot…

A. The worst PG in the league at running the break
B. Terrible Shooter
C. Try’s to act like a leader…not so good at it IMO
D. TURNOVERS
E. Lack of assists (though lately he has been doing that well, but we all know that was not going to hold up)
F. Costly (ish)
G. TERRIBLE SHOOTER!!!
H. Was not letting Brooks get more PT

SO Rafer sucks basically!

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 19, 2009 8:22 PM CST reply actions  

So, Lowry jacks up a lot of threes and screws up fastbreaks? Doesn’t that make him a younger version of Rafer Alston?

by Jeffrey on Feb 19, 2009 9:14 PM CST reply actions  

uh

he only takes about 1.5 threes a game (Rafer has taken around 5/game over his time in Houston). And, from what I’ve read, he runs the break fairly well because of his speed.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 19, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

My bad

I just re-read the paragraph where I got those “facts” from and whoops, they were referring to RAFER. In my defence, it’s 11-ish am here in Malaysia and I just woke up.

Cautious Optimism restored.

by Jeffrey on Feb 19, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

great deal

I actually like rafer, who has no fear, handles like crazy, and puts forth effort on D…

But, Lowry has the potential to be much better than rafer. He needs a shot, yes, but he can finish at the rim, lead a break, and is stronger, and more athletic than rafer, so can potentially be better defender as well. Not a traditional point guard yet, but rafer isn’t one either, IMO.

by tkired on Feb 20, 2009 1:45 AM CST reply actions  

PWNED

Deron Williams will now destroy your asses come playoff time. This one won’t even go 6!

Jazz fans are happy to see Alston go.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Feb 20, 2009 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

You better pray you face us again

I’m thinking Houston falls to the 6-8 seed as a result of this trade, while your team with D-Will back gets back in a 4-5 matchup.

by goingforthecorner on Feb 20, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Um

We were going to fall to a 6-8 seed regardless. Your boy T-Mac is at fault for that.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Feb 20, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

what?

I am usually an eternal pessimist,but I think the Rockets can still get homecourt advantage. EVERY team has problems right now. Lakers lost their future HOF center, Spurs just lost Manu again, Hornets have an injured Chandler back, Denver still has George Karl around to F things up, Phoenix still has the Fat Ass and an unhappy Amare, Portland can’t keep Oden healthy, and Utah sucks. The Rockets will be fine. And better off without Rafer and T-Mac.

by grungedave on Feb 20, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

Lakers are doing just fine – their problems will come during playoff time. Hornets will only get better, Utah beat Boston last night (but still sucks), Phoenix looks real good and Amare apparently loves the Suns without Porter. I don’t know about Denver, and the Spurs are liable to get a bit worse. Portland will be fine. I’m thinking that we can be a 4th seed at best, but will most likely end up in the 6-8 range. Which is fine with me. But I still see LA, SA, and POR ahead of us in the playoff scheme, regardless.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Feb 20, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

I retract.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Feb 20, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow

but Shaq will step up and they will still blow up bad opponents. It’s not like without Amare they are short of firepower. Maybe they’ll be improved defensively without him.

by goingforthecorner on Feb 20, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

8 weeks for amare

really means 4 weeks. he always comes back early.

by fiddycent on Feb 20, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

Even without T-Mac I think we could’ve gotten to a 4-5 seed. The Alston trade will cost this team about 2-4 wins, which would mean a lot in a compressed western conference standings.

by goingforthecorner on Feb 20, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

playoff time?

Did Deron get traded to a playoff team?
Otherwise, Deron is going to be hanging out on a beach somewhere when the playoffs roll around.

by grungedave on Feb 20, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

oh, and...

“Jazz fans are happy to see Alston go.”

reason # 332,897,312 why Jazz fans are dumb.

by grungedave on Feb 20, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

reason #2

Jazz. do they even have jazz music in utah?

by fiddycent on Feb 20, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

No.

We’re too good for Jazz music. Does anyone listen to Jazz music?

The only Rockets you guys have are the pocket style and they are only found in your ladies purses because the men are all impotent thanks to years of NASA testing.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Feb 20, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Ammended:

Do they even have music in Utah?

I wouldn’t question Houston’s virility, if I were you. From what I remember of the TBJ live blog during the last Rockets-Jazz games, it wasn’t the Houston fans complaining about the cheerleaders.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 20, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Music? What's that?

Haven’t you seen Footloose?

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Feb 20, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I always figured

that footloose took place up in North Texas. They’re a bunch of prudish pricks, if you ask me.

Besides, if Houston outlawed dancing, the city would go bankrupt. Strip clubs make up a good portion of our fair town’s economy.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 20, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

you just nailed it

Strip clubs make up a good portion of our fair town’s economy.

as a matter of fact, I think Joey Dorsey calls that the “nation’s solution to the economic crisis”

by grungedave on Feb 20, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Rafer

Two things I avoid.

1. Watching guy on guy porn.

2. Rockets games.

I could care less how bad you hate Rafer. Last time he played our guys, he looked like an All-Star. I’m happy to see him go, regardless of how he has played the entire season.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Feb 20, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

lol
Last time he played our guys, he looked like an All-Star

I think that says more about the Jazz than it does about Rafer.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 20, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Touche.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Feb 20, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone flipped out when we drafted Landry and Brooks. Same with this past years draft which was flipped for Artest.

Not saying Morey is infallible, just saying that he knows more about this than me and Im going to see how it shakes out before I call it a failure.

by Mike Kerns on Feb 20, 2009 2:12 PM CST reply actions  

I trust Morey

What he’s done for the team in the last few years has been incredible. It’s not his fault that Yao, T-Mac, Battier keep going down with injuries…on paper we have one of the deepest teams in the league. But somehow this team wasn’t gelling the way we expected it to. Injuries? Different starting line-up every night? T-Mac sulking? Too many iso’s on offense (Ron?). Coach not awake? Anyway, I disgress…

Even other fans seems to agree:

Isn’t Alston making 5 million next year?

I’m cool for this year since Alston is an improvement over the opening day 2007/2008 Hawks backcourt, but I hope this doesn’t mean we are going to lose out on Hedo for next year because of the extra contract.

Also, I’m always afraid of making a trade with Houston because they normally get the better end of the deal in most of their trades.

by funny80sguy on Feb 19, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions 0 recs

As for Rafer, it’s true that he was playing better this past week, and I do think he plays better without T-Mac, but we all know he’s streaky. In fact his good play could have been one of the factors why Morey got such a nice deal for him! While we’ll definitely miss a capable floor-general and ball-handler, I’m glad to see his atrocious shot selection go.

by Daniel C on Feb 20, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

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