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Recap and Rant: Led by Williams, Utah slips past Houston, 101-94

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Typically I get really pissed off when we lose to Utah.  And belive me, I'm fuming furiously as I aim for keyboard keys, but in a more accepting manner.  Like, I kinda/sorta think we played quite well tonight, considering it was off a back-to-back, against a rising team, in the hell-hole of all hell-holes, and on a night in which Aaron Brooks showed up to play for five minutes, then proceeded to slowly evaporate to the bench before possibly getting Wally Pipped by one Kyle Lowry.  Ugh.  Okay, maybe I am as pissed off as usual.  But it's not because we didn't play our asses off, because we did, but more because I generally hate the Utah Jazz.

Do Jazz fans know what basketball is?  Contrary to their belief (the collective belief of Energy Solutions Arena's inhabitants) it is not a combination of rugby, MMA, and British "diving-is-a-bloody-part-of-the-game" soccer.  It's basketball, and flopping and taking charges off the ball isn't a part of the game.  Jazz fans consider it an integral part of the game, and they boo their butts off whenever a call isn't made.  And quite frankly, they can be pretty classless at times.  I know we all have our moments as fans, but the people I see on TV in that arena when I watch a game just appear to be nothing but jerks to the opponent every single night.  But back to the basketball vs. flop-sketball argument.  Here's what angered me the most: When Yao Ming came off the court in a typical Shaquie Chan rage, it wasn't because his sixth foul was on an elbow to Boozer or yet another incredibly stupid charge attempt of his own, but because frickin' Ronnie Brewer picked the spot on the floor where Yao would be next (which happened to be a whole first-and-ten away from the ball) and waited for the Ming Dynasty to collapse on him.  What a pathetic way to play the game.  Pathetic.  We'll go sign Carlos Tevez before our next Jazz game and have him run around solely trying to get his ass kicked.  But wait - Sloan doesn't need professional soccer players to flop.  He gets professional floppers to flop!

Do Utah players know what jerseys are for?  They certainly aren't for tugging, and, Andrei, are not chew toys.  Yet, for the entire game, they were grabbing our team indicators like flirty, single, 30-year old women grab shirtless men when they go on a girls night out to Chippendales.  And I know it's common, I know if I were to send out a questionaire to players everywhere, they would all say that jersey-tugging happens all the time.  But this is unfathomably obvious!  How can it not get called more often?  I was able to see it from my 10 inch Toshiba piece-of-shit television screen, and yet, referees can't see it in the game?  Deron Williams?  Mehmet Okur?  Matt Harpring?  Boozer?  It's laughable how much their hands move like buzzsaws around Rockets players.  And of course, Jazz fans are going to point directly to the boxscore and start whining, "OH, but we had 30 billion (eleven) more fouls than they did and they shot 6 trillion (nine) more free throws and blah, blah, blah."  Hey, if you swipe like headless grizzly bears all night long, you may draw a few goddamn fouls.  29 is sure low for the amount of fouls, called or uncalled, this team vomits every night.  Oh, and speaking of every night...

How come Utah always gets the back end of opponents' back-to-backs?  Maybe that's why they are so good at home and so pedestrian on the road!  Every time a team makes a trip to the Midwest or has a back-to-back with the Jazz in general, the Jazz are always rested from an off-night.  It's happened ELEVEN times this season - eleven times in which a team has come into Salt Lake City after playing a game the night before.  Unless you're the Mavericks, that's a crapload of effort exhibited before having to face one of the "elite" teams in the West.  Don Chaney offered up a reason in the post-game show: "The NBA says it's because of proximity and scheduling conflicts."  And that was the answer Don got from the NBA after he himself complained about it years earlier.  What a rotten deal for beer-drinking basketball players everywhere.

As for tonight's game itself, we could not stop Deron Williams.  I tip my hat to the guy - he's a great player, and the second best point guard in the Western Conferen--hold up a second, Yao's on the post game interview hot seat.  Pardon the interruption, but...

OOOHHH!!

 UPDATE! Quote of the Year from Yao Ming:2225420178_c1fd5b8450_medium

I had 2 offensive fouls tonight, 3 last night, 2 against Minnesota, and you can go check how many I had from the week before.  Every time a player is on the ground or feels like taking a rest on the floor, it's an offensive foul on me.  Thankfully, I don't have to worry about floppers next game with Shaq.

I LOVE IT, Yao.  Talk, talk, talk!  Isn't it true, though (all of you are distracted by spontaneous thoughts consisting of "didn't Shaq flop last night...")?  Every single damn time Yao touches someone, it's an offensive foul.  I know, I know - he usually puts a shoulder into the guy, but most of the calls aren't for the shoulder.  Instead, he'll be whisteled for making slight contact with a guy in the lane or on a rebound.  Of course, the guy goes flying and makes it look like a huge deal when it really isn't, and thus, Yao gets pissed and speaks some of that Qin Wisdom.  Keep complaining, pal.

Right - we were blabbering about Deron.  He got into the lane at will tonight, as Utah runs a nasty (pun?) pick and roll.  And as usual, he was mister big shot, hitting a nice jumper over Lowry to basically seal the deal in crunch time.  He's one of the best players in the game, and despite my hatred for him and his team, I can't bash his abilities as a basketball player.  That said, I can bash Matt Harpring, the dirtiest dirty on the entire team.  But I need to start talking about the Rockets.

I hate this matchup every time we play Utah.  They don't have that dominant wing man that we can just shut down with Pinky and the Brain (boom: first usage).  Ronnie Brewer is a good, young player, but by no means is he worthy of an in-depth statistical report courtesy of Morey's Minions.  The Jazz's offensive strengths don't cater to our defensive strengths.  They have a physical point guard, two jump-shooting big men, and no quality wing players to neutralize.  It's annoying as hell, and unless Lowry, Brooks, Yao, Scola, and Landry play better defense, it's going to continue against Utah.  I'm also a little dejected that I can no longer simply place all of the blame on this man:

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I really hope people don't reference this as  "yet another road loss" for the Rockets.  This game doesn't fall into the same category as our other road struggles.  This was one hell of a performance by our guys, especially on a back-to-back in a tough arena against a good team that relies on hustle to generate points.  We needed to play hard to keep this close, and we did just that.  The ball just didn't bounce in our favor.  But enough cliches - time for some Yaozing.

Yao Ming.  Tough night for him in general.  The shot was not there, but it's never there against Utah for some reason.  And there's no excuse either, even if he gets tugged on constantly.  But what Yao lacked in his shooting ability tonight, he made up for in hustle and passing.  Big dude had 6 assists!  More than Midget Brooks!  He was constantly kicking the ball out on triple teams, and constantly looking for cutters in the lane.  If only he could have rebounded better.

Speaking of rebounding, what the hell happened?  27-9 in the first half - that's how bad we got outrebounded.  Boozer had 13 boards of his own by snacktime.  It's something that we usually control, but in tonight's case, against some of the better rebounders in the league in Milsap and Boozer, we just couldn't pull the ball down.  We did a much better job in the second half, but it was getting embarrassing until we finally started boxing out.

I'd better just get to the recap.

Three Up:

Kyle Lowry -- Onions galore for Lowry: he was a total beast tonight.  He drew fouls like Kobe, made his free throws, and single handidly brought us back into the game.  I never thought he could score like that, but his finishing ability at the rim is uncanny.  He takes contact like a fullback and just goes right up anyway.  I am loving this kid more and more as the season goes on.

Ron Artest -- Ron was a Stat All-Star tonight, scoring 25 points, dishing out 5 assists, and grabbing 5 rebounds.  He also hit five three pointers.  His free throws still need some work, and his tendency to just dribble around was quite annoying, but he had a good overall game.  Hopefully we'll be able to use his defensive talents next time around.

Yao Ming -- 19/7/6/5 is a pretty solid night, considering how poorly he boxed out and how inconsistent his shot was.  But he didn't miss a free throw, had a key and-one down the stretch, grabbed a bunch of late offensive rebounds, and hustled like a maniac.  He was visibly tired, whether it be the Utah air or the back-to-back toll, and it's something we had to deal with.  But Adelman chose to stick with him, and he ended up fouling out.  Nevertheless, it was the right choice to leave him in there - you don't put your all-world player on the bench with 3 minutes left to go in a game.

Three Down:

Aaron Brooks -- He legitimately angered me tonight.  ABZ came out of the gates flying, and then, suddenly, he was lost.  He was aggressive, but out of control.  He kept losing Deron Williams.  He wasn't distributing, and was dribbling off the shot clock constantly.  His shot wasn't falling, and while he only took ten tonight, many of them were ill-advised.  Aaron needs to quickly get his act together, or else he may be back on the bench soon.

Shane Battier -- He played hard, drew a charge, and yada yada yada, but he didn't make a three and only had four points.  Shane MUST be better offensively if we are going to put points on the board.  His outside shooting is vital to our team's success.

Von Wafer -- It was never going to happen tonight.  Never in a million years

 

4th Down:

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Kyle Korver -- Hilary Swank only had 2 points.  Moral victory.

Stats of the Night:

Field Goal %: Rockets .425 - Jazz .500

Free Throw %: Rockets .750 - Jazz 1.000

Rebounds: Rockets 31 - Jazz 45

Assists: Rockets 14 - Jazz 25

Turnovers: Rockets 16 - Jazz 19

Fouls: Rockets 18 - Jazz 29

Quotes of the Night:

See Yao's gem above.  Along with...

Bullard: Scola's 2-2 on his shumpers.
Worrell: What?
Bullard: That's how Scola says "jumpers." Shumpers.

Worrell: [of the officiating, following a no-call after Yao was held on a jump-ball attempt] Well...that's what you get here.

Bullard: [following a flop from Okur] Oh...oh no, he got shot, check for snipers in the concourse area.

Bullard: "The refs don't want to blow their whistle too often, but when you play the Utah Jazz, you could call a foul on every single play."

Fred "Bonehead" Merkle Play of the Night:

Aaron Brooks got called for a foul.  He didn't like it, so he talked to the refs.  The problem with this was that he chose to have a ref chat as the ball was being inbounded.  Result: wide-open three-pointer is nailed by Deron Williams.  Whoops.

Next Game: Friday vs. Phoenix.  Yao vs. The Shaqtus.

 

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Fuck the Jazz, and their ridiculously basketball-clueless fans.

This, I say for all times.

by HoustonDiehards on Mar 5, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Contrary to their belief, or the collective belief of Energy Solutions Arena’s inhabitants, it is not a combination of rugby, MMA, and British “diving-is-a-bloody-part-of-the-game” soccer

Admittedly, I don’t really follow soccer, but my understanding of it is that diving is more of an integral part of Spanish/Portuguese/Italian soccer than English soccer.

(all of you are distracted by spontaneous thoughts consisting of “didn’t Shaq flop last night…”)?

I think that was Yao being ironic.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6294742.html

“I would like to find out from this official (Bill Kennedy), in the first half when (Matt) Harpring ran 100 miles an hour and ran over Kyle Lowry at 10 times the speed and he called a blocking foul on Kyle; Yao comes across and tries to stop and he calls a charge,” Adelman said. "There is no consistency if you are going to do that. Anybody can look at those two plays. You tell me which was a charge and which wasn’t a charge. Same official. He (Brewer) just fell.

Rick is this close to getting fined for those statements. If that happens, I’m going to be so pissed at Stern/proud of Adelman.

“Either free throw we do better or rebounding we do better, we can win this game,” Yao said. “Rebounding killed us tonight.”

While the Rockets rebounded horribly, another way to think of this is that Utah really overachieved at the line tonight. They typically shoot around 75%. That changes the game a lot.

But really, the Rockets need to rebound better. They’re one of the best rebounding teams in the NBA, but the last couple of games have not been pretty. Scola was held to only 5 rebounds tonight – what the fuck is that about? Granted, the Jazz got away with grabbing arms and jerseys, but that’s a pretty stark decline in production.

I still say Rick should have sent Dorsey onto the court to punch somebody.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 12:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Comments on Tonight's Game

Lowry played fantastic. He has an uncanny ability to draw fouls in a non-flopping sort of way and played great defense on D-Will in the 4th. I don’t know many other guards that can match D-Will for quickness and strength.That being said…I would have liked to have seen Artest on D-Will in the 4th, and Lowry/AB on Brewer/Miles. I think his physicality will really give D-Will trouble.

I mentioned this in the game thread, but I’ll repeat it again…Yao’s non-superstar status among the NBA’s referees really hurts us in late game situations. Can you imagine Kobe being called for a 6th foul in the same circumstances that Yao was? Anyone other than Yao for that matter?

If I’m Daryl Morey, I’m sending the league a video recap of every game of the abuse Yao receives (with no fouls called) and the outrageous offensive fouls he gets called every game simply for being big. His size SHOULD be an advantage, yet game after game smaller players hold, grab, and just generally beat up on him, yet he is punished for playing strong and dishing back out the abuse.

This really needs to be a point of emphasis for the NBA this summer…I am sick of watching skilled post-players being deemed ineffectual by thuggery and inconsistent officiating..It can’t be THAT hard. They’ve done it on the perimeter. They should follow suit in the paint…

by oelayat on Mar 5, 2009 12:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

shoot

you beat me to the Yao superstar comment

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've said it before

Yao Ming is the only superstar (yes, he’s a superstar) in the NBA that does not get superstar calls. Whenever Dirk, LeBron, Kobe, CP3, etc. miss a shot or get bumped, the whistles come out. Yao takes the biggest beating down low of any player I’ve ever seen. Period.

I hate hearing, “but he’s so hard to ref.” A foul is a foul right? Disgusting.

Also, watching the Jazz play at home makes me realize why Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. It’s not the championships. It’s not the MVPs, or the scoring titles, or his amazing otherworldly talents. You want to know why he’s the best?

BECAUSE HE KILLED MORMONS’ DREAMS!!!

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 12:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good Lord.

Are you done BBNovak? That was a great recap, but your bitching and moaning about the Jazz made me nauseous. The Jazz win. The Jazz play dirty. The Rockets lose. The Rockets play with white gloves. Get it? Rather than talk about how the Jazz are dirty, talk about how the Rockets don’t fight back and let themselves get punched in the mouth year after year after year.

If your kid gets in a fight are you going to get mad and yell at the principal an tell her that the other kid was fighting dirty? NO! Tell your kid to cowboy up and play dirty too.

I can’t wait to read the comments here tomorrow and watch you guys all circle jerk about how unfair the NBA is. Give me a break.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yao.

Not to mention the part where you guys cry about how Yao gets treated bad by NBA refs. Please. Do you really think the NBA is going to let him get mistreated? The biggest NBA star in the world?

Ditch the conspiracy theories and quit reaching.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

Tell that to JVG in the Dallas series. In short, yes, I think the NBA will let him get mistreated. Won’t make a difference how much money/fans he brings in.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

come off it

he gets whistled for shit no other star center would get whistled for. And he’s allowed to be hacked all game. For whatever reason, the league and its officials do not respect Yao in the way they did Shaq/Hakeem/Robinson/etc.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also

you can’t just play dirty to get back at the shitkickers. That only results in more fouls being called on you. Particularly when the Jazz start flopping.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it would be one thing

if the Jazz just let their elbows fly out there. But, instead, they do it and then flop when anyone does it to them. They don’t play like men, preferring to play like cowards.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

They don’t play basketball. They play the refs. Sloan is their Shakespeare, teaching them how to act.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And so it begins....

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd just rather pay money

To see a basketball game played like a basketball game. Taking out the best big man on the floor on a non-related basketball play is just terrible.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A conspiracy theory

requires a conspiracy. No one on this website has ever suggested anything of the sorts. I simply believe Yao is poorly officiated, and the NBA has not sorted it out.

by oelayat on Mar 5, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

says you

and your fans who all said the NBA was out to get them last year when the Lakers and Celtics had a chance to meet in the finals.

All I heard was: it’s a conspiracy! DS hates us!

Get over yourselves

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When players fight back your guys act like they got shot or something and start whining.

See, that’s why they’re contemptible bitches. If they flopped, but weren’t cheap shot hacks – ok. If they took cheap shots, but acted like fucking men, and did flop like Euro poofters – ok. But no. They do both – cheap shot, poofter flops.

Everyone outside of Utah hates you. They really do. The NBA hates you. They really do. Of course the NBA didn’t want Utah in a final – who the fuck would besides someone in Utah? Utah doesn’t even play basketball. I don’t know what the fuck it is they play, but it isn’t men’s basketball.

by Xiane on Mar 5, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Granted

I did over-bitch a little bit on those two initial paragraphs, but I think everything else was presented in a semi-sane sort of way. As for the “playing with white gloves” comment, I don’t think it’s so much that, I just think you guys AIM to play dirty. It’s taught, it’s lectured over – it’s something that every player suddenly picks up on once they play for Utah. You guys play dirty, and the majority of NBA teams don’t. It’s sad that Ronnie Brewer has to take out our best player by running away from the ball and getting hit by him.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ronnie Brewer watched film. He knew Yao would be there. Is that playing dirty? Seems more like outsmarting your opponent to me.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not watching film

That’s instinctual douche-bagness.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ronnie brewer

is not smart. He is however, a talented actor who JUST missed out on an oscar nomination this year.

He was beat out by the rest of the Jazz roster.

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Winning.

You know what will cure you of all your bitchiness? Winning. Try it.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

don't worry

here comes his spiel about how history doesn’t count (except when he wants it to count, that is)

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Before you win your next one.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Slow pitching

Sorry you’re making it so easy.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If y'all couldn't get it done with Stockton/Malone

Do you think Williams/Milsap will do it. We all know Boozer is walking next year.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You forget:

Cheap shot flopping isn’t rewarded by the gods of basketball. Utah will never win a title until Jerry Sloan and his drones are gone. You know this is true. That is karma, and Utah will never escape it. You know this is true, just admit it.

by Xiane on Mar 5, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hey, when was the last time

utah won a championship in any sport?

How’s the BCS treating you guys?

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Utes

It’s great. Just like us getting more first place votes than your Longhorns.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

not a longhorn fan, dumbass

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Texas

Oh I thought all inbreds were Longhorn fans?

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

aggies

you’re looking for aggies

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's like BYU/Utah

Texas/A&M. Except the Texas rivalry is kind of much better.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

inbred

is a funny term coming from the center of Mormonism

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

look at the picture

and those big wins over weber state and wyoming should be making you feel like a real man, huh?

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mormon

Yep. Your coach is a Mormon.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

precisely

why we find him intolerable sometimes

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Crumble

If he leaves, so does your success.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

Let’s stop with the Mormon stuff

That said, Rick Adelman is imminently replaceable

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on Mar 5, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, ask yourself this question:

Could Utah win a game without flopping? A single game? In your heart you know the answer is NO.

by Xiane on Mar 5, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Could any team?

The answer is… (sadly) no.
That’s what the NBA has become… every team does it.

You guys make it sound like we’re the only team that flops (note: we’re not) and Yao is the only player in the league who doesn’t get fouls called (note: he’s not) … and unfortunately, neither of those seems likely to change.

Speaking of flopping though… whatever happened to Stern fining players for flops. I thought he was going to do it.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 7:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Could any team?

The answer is… (sadly) no.

Yes. Yes they could. See, this is the problem. People don’t know what flopping is, they just label any time a charge is taken as a “flop.” A flop occurs when there is minimal contact. You can (and plenty of teams do) win without flopping.

You guys make it sound like we’re the only team that flops (note: we’re not)

No, y’all are just the most egregious.

Yao is the only player in the league who doesn’t get fouls called (note: he’s not)

No, he’s just one of the few true stars to rarely get the benefit of the doubt from refs.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not labeling every charge

as a flop.
I’m just saying that all the teams have floppers.
That’s the sad state of the NBA today… where flopping is, if not encouraged, tolerated.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nobody does it quite like Utah

and nobody else plays dirty while they do it, too. Fuck Utah.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Class.

You have tons of it Lad.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I may be self-righteous, but at least I don’t stoop to saying “Eff Houston”. That is class.

And to think we’re the being called classless by you guys. Fitting.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

classy is overrated

Fuck Utah. And the Jazz. ;-)

by grungedave on Mar 5, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

(Light Bulb)

I think we just came up with the theme for our new Shirts. (Which we are sending to each of you by the way).

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dude, come off of it

during the live-blogged game in January, you called Houston the armpit of Texas. If you don’t want me to “stoop” to the same level, don’t do it yourself. As I said, save the self-righteousness for someone who’s not wise to your bullshit.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Laddy.

Armpit and the F bomb are two different things.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're precious

“Golly gee, I sure hope those big bad guys on the internets don’t say any bad words!”

Besides, it’s the sentiment that counts.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Um...

Sasha Vujacic?
Manu?

Just to name 2…

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

true

Vujacic and Manu are amongst the best (Manu is tops, imo), but as a whole I’d say the Jazz are the better floppers.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just own up to it guys

Utah flops and plays to get every edge. Frankly, I’m a little jealous of it, but wouldn’t want my team doing it. I think it takes away and ultimately hurts your team and that’s the reason Stockton/Malone couldn’t get it done.

But to argue that it’s not true is just silly

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by UofTOrange on Mar 5, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the Jazz flop

I’ll admit it. A guy nicknamed Flop just goes to prove the point.

That said… in this day and age… if it’s not illegal, I guess it’s alright. At least that seems to be the NBA’s attitude towards it. As long as they keep calling it, it’ll keep happening.

So, I guess that I might be saying (how dare I?) that its… alright? Or at least legal…

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Outsmarting your opponet?

I think everyone in the gym knew Yao was posting up on the left block. That somehow justifies him standing in front of Yao and flopping with minimal contact?

by oelayat on Mar 5, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Minimal contact?

Did you watch the play? Yao almost tripped over himself as well? He is twice Brewer’s size and “minimal” contact from a big tree like that would send YOU into the 4th row.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Brewer ran himself into him

It wasn’t like Yao was the one making the move. He was taking a nice stroll across the lane, thinking of cherry blossoms in springtime.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

cherry blossoms in springtime.

Exactly why they lost the game.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this is the problem we've been talking about.

The issue isn’t contact – it’s consistency of what constitutes foul-worthy contact. For the Jazz, that totally changes from end-to-end of the court.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Research

Go waste two weeks of your life and do the math. Show me that there are more fouls called in Utah because Utah is more physical. Chew on that for a while. Do the research and THEN use that argument. Don’t just be another lemming and repeat what others have said.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just talking about what Jazz players do on the court.

Not necessarily what refs call them for. (though it would be interesting to see how many fouls are called from arena to arena, but it’s not really what we’re discussing. It’s tangentially related, however)

The Jazz play dirty against their opponents, but when their opponents do anything similar, they turn into actors. That’s what pisses me off.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think many of us would take you more seriously

if you conceded that was an outrageous call and an unfortunate flop

by oelayat on Mar 5, 2009 1:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No

I won’t. The call on Memo was a flop. Brewer’s was not a flop.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's probably why you're a Jazz fan

I can’t stand to watch “unfortunate” basketball regardless of who is playing. NBA officials will be cringing when they watch the tape of the last few minutes of the 4th quarter.

by oelayat on Mar 5, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't a "flop"

I agree with you completely. He got run over. But it certainly wasn’t an offensive foul either. By the book it was a block, period, end of story

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by UofTOrange on Mar 5, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

Being a Utah fan is like joining a cult. Utah never fouls. The other team always foul. When Utah foul it is only because the whole world hates them. When they flop it is only to receive the justice the world somehow denies them. So says Sloan. So it must be.

by Xiane on Mar 5, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yawn.

The cult references are dead Xiane.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was calling your fandom a cult. You thought I was saying something else? Why would you think that?

by Xiane on Mar 5, 2009 1:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

?

Why would anyone ever think that….in a world….

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty irritated tonight. I even cussed on the board, which I almost never do.

Here’s the thing – Utah is a talented team. If they didn’t play like such absolute shitheels, I’d respect them. But they do play like shitheels, and their fans defend it to the death. It makes me either angry or tired. Soon I’ll just be tired.

Actually the most comparable analogy is actually to the Italian national soccer team. Italians will defend to the death any crappy thing the national team does, as long as they win. The analogy breaks down of course, as Italy has won many titles playing that way.

by Xiane on Mar 5, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

zzzzzzzzzzz

did you just mention soccer?

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Only to make a point, but yeah, you’re right. When Utah wins as many titles as the Azzuri I’ll bring it up again. Until then, consider the analogy closed.

by Xiane on Mar 5, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Utah fouls.

Often.
We know that.
Sometimes the opposing teams flop to draw even more fouls.
It happens.

But other teams foul often too.
You know that. We know that.
It happens.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 7:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll repeat myself

What makes Jazz fans think that they’ll win a Ship if Stockton and Malone couldn’t do it? How is Williams/Milsap an upgrade (we all know Boozer is walking next year)

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 1:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ship?

We didn’t say we would. However, we are better than the Rockets, and thus our chances our better than yours.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thought I just saw you say something about it earlier.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

whoa buddy

so you beat us tonight.

you beat a rockets team that was:

shorthanded
coming off a back-to-back
not Mormon-loving enough to get any leeway from the refs

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If we got ride of

back-to-back losses, the Jazz would be in first place in the West.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 7:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Don’t care.
Don’t care.
Don’t care.

Take a trip down memory lane the past two seasons. You’re our bitch.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

All right, CB Jack

I’m out – until next game.

Cheers.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 1:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

From John Hollinger

And I do mean rampant fouling. Jerry Sloan’s teams have posted ridiculously high foul numbers for most of the past two decades, and last season the Jazz redoubled their efforts. Utah led the NBA in both personal fouls and opponent free throw attempts, and did so by a staggering margin. Jazz opponents took .393 free-throw attempts per field-goal attempt last season (see chart); not only was that terrible, but they’re actually getting worse: Relative to the league it was a .05 increase from their league-worst mark of a year earlier.

by oelayat on Mar 5, 2009 1:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Do your own research. and come back.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My own research?

I believe you are on a Rockets blog. Burden on proof is on you buddy

by oelayat on Mar 5, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's not true

you don’t have any defense

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

it’s so nice for someone to appreciate my work

you know, I slave in front of an oven all day for my 6 husbands, and it just gets a little tiring sometimes, but Warren Jeffs wouldn’t like that, so I keep on

by ak2themax on Mar 5, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that is absolutely idiotic

Do we have to construct our own box scores, too?

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So we foul

doesn’t mean we’re the only team that does.

And doesn’t mean that every single play is a foul.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Shake.

Agreed. Look guys, believe it or not, this blog has the BEST community on SB Nation. I love it. I hope we can one day create the same.

I love the rivalry. Honestly.

Ya’ll have a good night. I’m sure I’ll get an earful from Dave tomorrow.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I can't leave on that note. Too mushy.

Later sluts.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

We only expect classlessness.

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 1:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that was awesome Lad.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

here's the thing

they don’t sell liquor in SLC, right? So the guys who did that at Yao weren’t drunk at all? They were just utter dickbags?

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They were sniffing glue in the parking lot

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by UofTOrange on Mar 5, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Classy Jazz fans

Glad I didn’t disappoint.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

For vaguely grammatical insults, Utah is truly superior.

For everything else, you gotta look to Portland or LA.

by Xiane on Mar 5, 2009 1:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is CB Jack that "Video Professor" guy?

I’m serious, I think that’s the picture they took of Video Professor when he was released from incarceration.

CB Jack = Video Professor – Wow!

I hope he’ll record a lesson on trolling after he finishes that “How to Use Ebay” series…

by Xiane on Mar 5, 2009 1:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Trolling

Visiting my second favorite blog the day we beat their team is not trolling. Get a clue fish boy. I only wish I was as good looking as the guy in my avatar.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Let's be clear

CB Jack may be a jackass, but he’s not a troll ;-)

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by UofTOrange on Mar 5, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wtf

the jazz are so bad…hope to see you in the playoffs u fuckers

by ahaidry on Mar 5, 2009 2:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hi.

This is the last two years calling.

Just because our MVP (T-Waa) is out for the season, doesn’t make it better for you.

by rxmike12 on Mar 5, 2009 3:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

he’s a jazz fan and a duke fan: two categories of annoying bullshit wrapped into one!

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You just keep holding on to 1994 and 1995.

Hopefully you have something planned for May.

by rxmike12 on Mar 5, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

After the last two years? Really?

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tough loss

Damn this was a hard one to swallow. Kyle Lowry played a hell of a game. I don’t even know what the hell happened to Aaron Brooks. Yao and Ron played solid as well.

I’m not going to bitch about the Jazz’s playing style. It is what it is. It’s a hard style to deal with. At the end of the day, you have to make your free throws and you can’t get out-rebounded like that. Shane Battier needs to fix his shot too. Fix those things and the Rockets probably would have won this game.

The ref’s charging call on Yao was ridiculous. You don’t make that call at that point in the game. I have to allot the refs a small quantity of flops to call when they play the Jazz. I know it’s going to happen, and I accept that. However, I still have to hold them to a certain standard where they should NOT make those kinds of calls. The 4th quarter with 1 to 2 minutes left in a close game with our star player holding the ball is one of them.

by erod on Mar 5, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jazz play in a nut shell..........

did anybody see that ridiculous ass flop when kirilenko was being defended by battier, c’mon now. that’s just embarassing to watch.

oh yeah….sloan dynasty….0 championships. talk about riding this thing out until the wheels fall off.

by kg_2005 on Mar 5, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why doesn't Yao get superstar calls?

Because he’s not a superstar. How often does he actually go to the basket aggressively to draw the contact? Rarely. He settles for fallaways and hookshots. He doesn’t deserve the calls. It’s funny how y’all were saying how ridiculous it was to say that the Okur/Yao matchup would be a draw, because it basically was.

Yao should listen to his own T-Mobile commercial when he says “Don’t be such a baby”. Whining about the refs to the media isn’t going to change anything. He has to get more physical. Stop flopping and hoping for charges. You’re probably saying, if Yao gets more physical, he’ll get more fouls. Well I would rather have Yao play aggressive for 25 minutes and foul out than play soft for 35 minutes. His net production was probably neutral last night if not negative.

by goingforthecorner on Mar 5, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

good christ, GFTC

what the hell is your criteria for “superstar” status? WHERE’S YOUR HARD EVIDENCE?!!

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Superstars dominate games

against any opponent. True superstars don’t only play well when the matchup is right. Superstars help the team win even when they’re having bad shooting nights.

by goingforthecorner on Mar 5, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so

you’re criteria for “superstar” is that they never have a bad game. Congrats.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

do you really think Yao didn’t play well last night because it was just a “bad game”? He doesn’t matchup well with them, and the 06-07 playoffs is all you need for HARD EVIDENCE. I can’t think of a superstar that can be exposed this badly by certain teams or defensive strategies.

by goingforthecorner on Mar 5, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If they're having a bad game offensively

they need to find other ways to help the team.

Of course, I guess that’s easier for a ‘superstar’ guard that always has the ball than a ‘superstar’ big that needs to get the ball down low. I’m assuming it’s a lot harder for Yao to sit and find the open guy than for like Kobe… given that teams will triple team Yao in the post, but probably not Kobe out beyond the arc.

That’s nothing against Yao… I just think he’s got it a bit harder than a superstar guard.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yao's other method of helping the team

is through defense. Unfortunately, he got into foul trouble early and wasn’t able to help the team in that regard too much until the second half, when it happened again.

Yao is, on a statistical basis, comparable to Patrick Ewing (probably a little better). Was Ewing a superstar? I’d say yes, given that everyone seemed to regard him as one and that he made the HoF. He was (despite the debate) not nearly the player Hakeem was, but Clyde Drexler wasn’t nearly the player Jordan was, and yet he was still a superstar. You can be a fantastic player without necessarily being the greatest of all time.

And that, to me, is the definition of a superstar – putting up superstar numbers. Individual games don’t determine it; the whole season does.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on the Ewing/Yao thing

But Drexler was WAY closer to Jordan than people give him credit for now days

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on Mar 5, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on the superstar definition

Yao is almost certainly a superstar.

That said, it’s hard to get certain calls as a big that he’d get if he was 6’7 or something… at least it seems that way.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So is Dwight Howard a superstar?

If so, how come he can’t dominate the Rockets?

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on Mar 5, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't, but at the same time he's not a liability against us

Is there a single team in the NBA that plays against the Magic and makes Dwight Howard look useless or a detriment to the team?

by goingforthecorner on Mar 5, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have been a big fan of this site even as a “Jazz fan” but the amount of hate and ridiculous excuses is just way too much for me. Everyone knows you hate the Jazz, Utah, and mormons. Quite your Bitching. You talk about flopping like Utah is the only team in the NBA that does it when you have Battier and SCOLA that do it every game. I will admit that Utah is a physical team but in the playoffs what team doesn’t play like Utah. They all do. The problem is you can’t see past your own hate and bigotry to get over a loss to Utah. There are worse things in this world that could happen.

by Beefcake on Mar 5, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Battier doesn't flop.

He takes legitimate charges. As in, moves in front of a player THAT HAS THE BALL and lets them fall on him, as opposed to throwing himself on the floor when an elbow brushes his stomach. Battier doesn’t flop – what are you talking about?

"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak

by Tom Martin on Mar 5, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

scola and battier take charges

there’s a difference, though I know y’all have no idea what it is. That’s cool, though, because it’s roughly the level of basketball sophistication we expect from Utah fans.

Everyone knows you hate the Jazz, Utah, and mormons

Yes, yes, and no. With the exception of a few comments from ak2themax, no one has said anything about mormons here.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lad

You’re killing me. Scola doesn’t flop? Get a clue. The Rockets flop just like every other team in the NBA. Deal with it. It may not be as much as Utah, but hey, they don’t get as far in the playoffs as Utah either. So who is getting the last laugh?

If bitching about flopping could get you somewhere in the playoffs, you’d all be champs.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If bitching about flopping could get you somewhere in the playoffs, you’d all be champs.

Who the fuck knew? What fans do on the internet has nothing to do with how a team does? What a fucking surprise.

Scola doesn’t flop? Get a clue

I’m sure he exaggerates contact – everyone does that and it’s a necessary part of getting a charge called.

But I have yet to see him pull any Manu Ginobili-esque moves – fall down with no contact.

It may not be as much as Utah, but hey, they don’t get as far in the playoffs as Utah either. So who is getting the last laugh?

Classy

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Classy

Go back and read some of the posts on here and tell me who is classy

by Beefcake on Mar 5, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're the joke.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your face is the joke!

So there

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by UofTOrange on Mar 5, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah...

your face jokes.
Love them… largely because I hear them at work so often.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad.

I’ll stop being so serious.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Scola doesn't flop

From day one he tried to take charges. Wasn’t good at it though and would get called for a foul almost always. He doesn’t do it as much as he tried to at first. The only player on the team that consistently takes charges like that is Battier. Think about that for a moment. Battier is one of the classiest and nicest guys in the NBA. You would never hear ME say the words “Battier” and “flopper” in the same sentence (other than THIS one of course) but other people might.

But then again, he gets his feet planted, and actually TAKES the charge instead of running in, getting breathed on and throwing himself on the ground. There’s a BIG difference in that. Scola is the same way. Actual heavy contact is required to make that happen. Whereas the way the Jazz are taught, they create fouls where there are none because of their flopping. Two different schools of playing there sons. One is cheating, the other is as I stated earlier, just to have the foul acknowledged by the ref forces you to allow yourself to fall down. If they didn’t, I can guarantee the foul will be called on them.

Anyway, the whole point being that taking a charge and throwing yourself to the ground are two different beasts. Whether you admit it or not Utah “I wanna bone muh sister” Fans, your team is dirty. Neener neener.

by Peckerwood on Mar 5, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dirty?

Fine, whatever…
that said, it’s still ‘legal’ per the NBA, so I guess it is what it is?
If it was cheating, the NBA would have tried to wipe it out years ago… not just threaten a fine and forget about it.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If.....

he starts playing aggresively, the charge calls start coming. do you actually watch the games? how can you still say what your saying after you’ve seen it yourself.

how can you not call the best center in the NBA a superstar?

by kg_2005 on Mar 5, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Best Center?

We didn’t say Dwight wasn’t a superstar. I’m confused. So are you obviously.

We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com

by CB Jack on Mar 5, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again

I think he suffers because he’s a big and not a guard.
Unfair? Maybe… but that’s the NBA today.

Generally players seem to flop more if someone like Yao/Shaq is coming at you, because seriously… you don’t want them landing on you. Yes, it’s stupid… but the NBA lets it go on, so it grows.

And it’s a judgment call… so many times, you’ll see the ref behind the play (who didn’t see anything) blow the whistle because someone’s on the ground. I think the way to change this is by having the refs that actually see the play call it, but that would make too much sense. So flopping works, and it is used even more for that reason.

Though, I’m pretty sure Yao whining about it (deserved or not) doesn’t help his standing amongst the NBA refs.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Generally players seem to flop more if someone like Yao/Shaq is coming at you, because seriously… you don’t want them landing on you. Yes, it’s stupid… but the NBA lets it go on, so it grows.

It’s definitely the best way to guard him. The issue I have is that Yao doesn’t seem to get nearly the calls that Shaq does. I don’t think that’s justifiable.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Shaq gets it simply because of his past status as superstar (though he really seems rejuvenated this year).

Yao… no idea what it’s going to take for him to get calls.
When you guys found out though, please let is know.
While he’s no superstar, ‘Sap gets totally destroyed inside in most games, and can’t get a foul call. Kinda like Yao…

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what it will take is a time machine

you have to change the whole way he was perceived when he came into the league. Remember that virtually everyone was heralding him as a massive (literally, hyuk hyuk) bust from before he was drafted. And he – because he was foreign and because of the way he initially played the game – was labeled as “soft.” And ever since then, even though he’s perfectly willing to bang around in the post with Shaq and Howard and every other center in the league, that label hast stuck. I really hate to play the race card, but I think that’s part of it, too. You’re dealing with the public’s perception of Asians, and all the stereotypes associated with that group are applied to Yao (Bernie Lincicome of the Rocky Mountain News wrote once, “In all my studies of Chinese, I do not recall coming across the word or the character for ‘basketball,’ never mind ‘dribble drive’ and ‘slam dunk.’” That might not be as egregious as Shaq’s comments in 2002, but it’s certainly a stupid assumption about China – they can’t/don’t play basketball).

And I think the refs are affected by public opinion. That’s why Shaq gets away with playing like a Tight End: he’s long been the face of the NBA. His highlight-reel material marketed the league for a decade. Yao might be the primary reason the NBA has exploded in China since 2002, but I doubt his image is considered to be nearly as important as Shaq’s.

So in order to change Yao’s image in the eyes of the refs and media, you’ve got to either get all these dumbass media types to change the conclusions they arrived at five months before Yao made an NBA start, or you’ve got to go back in time and show them footage of what Yao is today.

by Only_A_Lad on Mar 5, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That could be it

and that’s why its a problem.
Sadly, I don’t see it happening…

In my views, a foul is a foul… doesn’t matter if you’re a superstar or Jarron Collins.
Sadly, the refs are really bad at calling it like that.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is absolutely correct

A big does not get the same chance to shine as a superstar guard does. It’s not right to compare the two.

Yao gets position, only someone with an agenda of haterade against him doesn’t see it

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on Mar 5, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No choice

Teams really have no choice in flopping. If you legitimately take a charge, if your ass isn’t on the court you’re not getting a call. End of discussion. Blame it on the refs, not shitheads like Ronnie Brewer.

On that note I’d like to point out that Jerry “Flopmeister” Sloan has this team singularly focused and very well coached in the strategies of winning. You have to admit that they are good at what they do. Underhanded little bitch playing, but if you were to take this Jazz team and supplant them with the Rockets…well, it would be the Utah fans whining like little girls and us the ones going, “neener neener, you’re a bunch of bitches.” That’s just a fact. You might indignantly stamp your foot and cry “no no no no no no no” but you’re a crackhead.

We beat them with Hakeem, this same freagin team, and I’m pretty sure once the Rockets hit their stride, they’ll be able to beat them with Yao…maybe…hopefully we just don’t meet them in the playoffs for once.

by Peckerwood on Mar 5, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Easy solution

Stop calling the foul when guys end up flat on their backs. Think about it. These guys have to put ice packs on their asses from being on the hardwood so often. If they’re not getting the calls, you’ll see ALOT FEWER millionaires on their asses and the legitimate ones will be obvious. Might take a few years and you would have a ton of pissed off players for a good while, but they’d get used to it. Would be nice to see these clowns play basketball again.

by Peckerwood on Mar 5, 2009 5:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure

the Players Association would go to court or something.
Because that’s what they do…

Agreed on playing basketball though.
If I wanted to watch soccer, I would.

by UtesFan89 on Mar 5, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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