I just have one thing to say to the Utah Jazz
by grungedave on Mar 5, 2009 8:57 AM CST
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Fuck You,
I will always be able to take comfort in the fact that Utah will never, ever win anything of importance because you do not play what we call "basketball" you play some organized game of "smear the queer" (a byproduct of your coach's and late owner's homophobia) where you push, pull, tug, bite and tackle the opposition... until they fight back and you fall over like you've been shot by snipers [thanks for that metaphor, Matt Bullard!].
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Written seven years ago
but still so very appropriate:
http://www.makingpages.org/hoops/jazzholes-2002.html
At least when the Pistons had the bad boys, they didn’t whine and pout every time somebody touched them. And I don’t remember Bill Laimbeer flying all over the place like a rag doll when someone breathed on him funny. It’s not just that the Jazz flop, it’s that they cry and whine about it when the other team gets a legit call, or the refs don’t call their flops.
Dave.
I’m actually starting to NOT hate the Rockets. They’ve quit on their fans and their home court advantage two years in a row. Maybe Jazz fans should be hoping that we tank a few games to get in the 5 seed just to take a visit to Houston again.
Rockets fans. I have news for you. Your team is full of quitters. T-Mac is a quitter (and don’t give me the “he doesn’t play for us” bullshit). He’s a Rocket through and through. How do you let homecourt advantage slip away two years in a row to a team that you are “lightyears” better than? This team doesn’t love you. They are not the same Rockets as the glory years. You will get nothing out of this relationship. Get out why you can.
We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com
keep talking
the season series is still 2-1 Rockets. And they had to get bailed out by the refs and NBA scheduling to win last night.
Unfortunately, we’ll never know if the Jazz could win if they didn’t play like little bitches. It didn’t always work in the past, but the refs seem to be buying the bullshit these days.
Your team is full of quitters
I prefer “underachievers.”
They are not the same Rockets as the glory years.
Fun fact: the Utah Jazz never had “glory years” – just two years when they sucked a little bit less than usual.
Scheduling...
kills pretty much everyone. I mean we’ve had back-to-backs after playing the late game on Thursdays (by the way, talk about a stupid day for the NBA). That’s a fairly weak argument… and that’s coming from a guy that’s best excuse is normally of the “blame the refs” argument.
As for the refs… pretty much every win nowdays involves getting bailed out by the refs, no matter who wins & who loses. (Of course, I can’t comment on yesterday’s game, because I didn’t watch it).
and that’s coming from a guy that’s best excuse is normally of the "blame the refs" argument.
You’ve talked to me once. Seems a little quick to make the “normally” generalization, doesn’t it?
As for the refs… pretty much every win nowdays involves getting bailed out by the refs, no matter who wins & who loses.
That’s ridiculously stupid. The vast majority of games in the NBA are officiated properly. Yeah, there are blown calls, but most refs keep it consistent.
Full of quitters?
Other than Tracy, name one?
Come on man, your trash talk is better than that. I know you have it in you
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
I’m a little confused here. I didn’t realize the 7th seed would have to tank a few games in order to get the 5 seed. Seems kinda strange to me.
by seanbergmanrules on Mar 5, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I know you have your Rocket-colored glasses on and all...
But doesn’t every team bitch and moan about every call these days? Shit, I’ve never seen Kobe foul anyone (according to him) and when he drives to the hole he’s fouled 4 times out of 3.
Don’t give me this crap that the Jazz get away with everything when they get called for more fouls than anyone. Yes they play… tough, and maybe even dirty… get over it. Grow a sack, play with some toughness, find an identity.
God I can’t wait ‘til Ron Artest loses his mind and finishes off this season for y’all.
Grow a sack, play with some toughness, find an identity.
We have been through this so many fucking times now. Fucking read before you post. Before you say other teams should play tough, maybe the Jazz should play tough instead of just taking cheap shots and flopping.
I'm not denying the Jazz flop...
I’m just saying every team does. It’s a league wide phenomenon and it’s gross to see. Everytime I see Battier run to the semi-circle and “set his feet” before falling over, I wanna puke. And yes, he’s been doing it since he learned from the master, Coach K. (I just appreciated it so much more back then)
Your team flops, our team flops. Just because your overgrown “superstar” center was gassed in the 4th quarter and our superstar was just getting going, doesn’t mean you have to bitch.
Suck it up. No whining. Enjoy your backup/future point guard’s best game of his life. Enjoy the fact that Battier looks as comfortable as Roger Clemens in front of Congress from the 3-point line. Keep rooting on Yao to run down the court—or at least walk, he’ll get there eventually. This team has first round out written all over it… or is that the last two years calling?
"Fuck You, Utah! I hate you so very, very much"
Agreed 1,000,000,000%!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, that is indeed a billion%.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
That's impossible.
You can only have 100% not a billion.
The Texas Education System: The more you know…..
We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com
You can have more than 100, as in: "In Utah, you can have 500 as many wives as in any other state."
by seanbergmanrules on Mar 5, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
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that is so funny bud. So I am going to assume all of you live in some combine down there in Texas and marry 12 year olds, etc. ,etc. . Don’t bring that ignorant shit.
lol
get your stereotypes straight. The creeps out in the Utah desert are the ones who marry 12 year olds.
I will lol
Nope. Pretty sure that was Texas. Here you go:
http://www.christian-polygamy.com/texas-authorities-seek-custody-of-polygamist-sects-children-again/
ah, but
the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is headquartered in Utah. Ain’t our fault if y’all show up here and do it.
I will lol as well and thanks for the lol
All those perverts in West Texas that you are refering to are all from Utah and are all Jazz fans. I found a picture of their leaders.
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2009/3/4/780816/as-if-we-needed-more-reaso#comments
West Texas
So they moved to Texas knowing they would fit in. fact is, enough with the polygamy jab. I am a Mormon and I am not a polygamist. In fact, the two have not had anything to do with eachother for over 100 years. We can probably agree that there are freaks and wierdo’s in both Texas in Utah and you know what, who gives a rats. We are here to talk basketball so lets stick to it. You can talk trash about the team, the fans etc, but the ignorant religious jabs are over used and lame. Go Jazz.
Texas Rangers
They showed the folks from Utah what would happen if they set up perverted shop in West Texas. Hence the raid, and ending of the perverts abusing children regardless of religion. When you jab at Texas don’t use Utah transplants as your example. It just makes zero sense.
Don’t mess with Texas.
Ya, it's time to stop
I know I started it yesterday, but that was only because I wanted to show a pic of Ginnfer Goodwin from Big Love. It’s time to drop it
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
Wait,
Are you a Utah Jazz fan? You have more posts on a Houston Rockets blog than your own teams blog?
Umm, o…kay…. O_o
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 5, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Yes I am a Jazz Fan...
….and thanks for tallying up the # of posts I have on each blog.
That was a reply to CB Jack, not you. :)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 5, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Jazz fan?
No I’m not. In fact I’m a Rockets fan. Thanks for reminding me.
We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com
DAMN YOU!
I was really hoping y’all had set up a gag site. Color me dissapointed!
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
Hypocrites
Who whines more? The Jazz or Rocket Nation? I am not sure if you are listening to yourselves but all I am hearing is an entire teams following (i.e. Rocket Fans) crying, calling us queers, whiners, cheap shots, etc. The Jazz have had this same style of play since the beginning of time, no we haven’t won a ring with it, but we sure bring the best out of your whining asses. There were crap calls on both sides of the ball last night.
calling us queers, whiners, cheap shots,
No one called you “queers” and you team is a bunch of whiners who commit cheap shot fouls. They throw elbows and then whine and cry to the refs when somebody else does it to them.
The Jazz have had this same style of play since the beginning of time
They’ve been doing it since Sloan showed up, and that doesn’t make it right. It just means that refs essentially gave up on calling the Jazz on all their bullshit twenty years ago.
Since Sloan showed up
is pretty much the beginning of time here.
At least, he’s the only coach I’ve ever seen on the Jazz…
As for whining...
no. That’s Yao & Tim Duncan and the likes. Sorry, but true.
Guys on the Jazz don’t whine.
Gay elf defense? Sure.
Third string C calling for the ball? Sure.
Backstabbing the owners in Cleveland? Sure.
Flopping? Sure.
Whining? Not so much.
Yao's not a whiner
Not by a million miles. You can’t count on one hand in his career when he’s even made a complaint like Wed night and he’s hacked more than any player in the league. That’s not even arguable
I do agree that the Jazz aren’t “whiners”, they don’t have to be, they get away with so much. Well, Okur is a bit of a whiner, but still
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
He whines like Duncan does...
goes with like sad-looking puppy eyes and a “I never screw up” look.
Not as bad as Duncan (not even close), but it’s there.
That Jazz really don’t get away with much… watch them against the NBA’s ‘superstars’. (Again with the stupidity that is a difference in foul calls between superstars and the non-superstars… as the NBA views them).
You're obviously a twat. Be quiet.
If you think Yao gets “superstar” calls you’re blind or an idiot – which is it?
I take that back.
You’re just a Utah fan. Most of your dialog has been polite. I apologize.
You’re still wrong though.
Wait
when did I say he got superstar calls?
I’ve been agreeing with you guys… it doesn’t happen.
My thought, in general though, is that no one should be getting the calls.
There's a HUGE difference between being perplexed for real and whining
Duncan gets the superstar calls, so I agree that’s a bit of whining, but Yao is honestly completely befuddled as to why calls are going the way they are. So am I.
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
Yeah – hundreds of games as a pro for Yao, and how many times has he blown up on the refs on that level? Never, until the other night.
Yao’s a good guy, and he treats everything with respect – sometimes to a fault in a lot of our minds – but that was not whining. He’s PISSED.
That said – personally, I’d rather him just knock someone’s fucking teeth out with his elbow next game instead of yelling at the refs. Even if he gets kicked out of the game, to me the message is worth it.
“He sends one of your guys to the hospital, you send one of his to the fuckin’ morgue.”
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Mar 6, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
My apologies
I had the phrase “smear the queer” in my head when I wrote that so I retract that. My bad. Regardless, I must be immune to it then because I rarely see the elbows flying and players whining. I know we are physical but name two plays last night where someone whined after being called for an elbow. I can’t remember anything but Memo and Booze getting called for playing Yao the way Yao was playing and Yao getting tossed for a similar crap call. I
name two plays last night where someone whined after being called for an elbow
…and we never mentioned your ability to dodge a question. All anyone remembers are Karl Malone’s elbows and Stocktons cheap screens. D-Will is not cheap and Boozer is not aggressive enough to throw a massive elbow. You guys are living in the past. If Houston has to use the excuse that they got beat up by Memo, AK, Brewer, etc. (who weigh in at a combined buck and a quarter) then go ahead and use that excuse.
Boozer was using his elbows all night when boxing out
check the game thread; frequent complaint
It was thirteen hours ago; I can’t name you two specific plays. But he got pretty elbow happy with Scola and Landry.
he never got called for it, though, so he didn’t really get the chance to whine about it. Besides, this is more of a general complaint about the Jazz’s play for the last two decades.
These three
Beat Yao in any ugly contest anyday!
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/113929/downloadfile.jpeg
Yo grungedave...
Turns out that C really was a draw last night.
Funny how that worked out.
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 5, 2009 12:54 PM CST reply actions
Watch your mouth
…when you’re talking about the almighty “best center in the league” Yao.
Puhleeze Rockets fan. He’s good. But he’s not Dwight.
We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com
yeah
this season, you’re correct. Last season, that wasn’t true. But it’s actually fairly close.
Closer than that “Deron Williams is better than Chris Paul” crap Jazz fans keep going on about.
I'll say it again and again
Yao is the best until DHo shows up against him 1 on 1
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
"better than"
is not determined by one-on-one matchups. Al Jefferson routinely bests Yao. That does not make him better than the big guy.
CP3 and Yao started out as the best
So they get the benefit of the doubt
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
Yao's Effect on Game is Beyond a Box Score
Comparing per-game averages is a silly exercise.
Yao does not block as many shots as Dwight, but as any smart fans know, a blocked shot is useless if it goes right back to the other team. Rather, Yao is one of the best in league in occupying space and forcing his opponent to change their shot.
Yao does not grab as many rebounds as Dwight, but again, the Rockets are 4th in league defensive rebound rate, and only one percent away from the top of the league Lakers. Sure Yao could steal more rebounds from Scola/Landry/Artest and boost his stats, but his simply occupying space allows his teammates to greatly increase their rebound rates.
Yao only averages 2 assists a game. That is simply a product of the way NBA teams play him. They double team with the near-side defender and leave the opposite wing player open. His passes out of double teams almost always lead to wide-open shots, but only after a series of ball swings.
Yao is also one of the most efficient scorers in the NBA. He requires very few field goal attempts to score, and is excellent at drawing fouls (except when the officials conspire against him). Dwight is too…except he can’t hit his free throws.
So, Yao is by far the best Center in the game. His quantifiable effect on a game is enormous. If our league was not so stat-obsessed (meaningless stats I might add) and perimeter oriented, he would likely be considered an MVP candidate.
Do other Rocket fans agree with this assessment?
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
I don't
the “beyond the box score” logic applies to every NBA player. Speaking of beyond the box score, there’s no stat counting every time Yao fails to get a rebound that’s in his zone. I wish they had a rebound zone rating sort of stat they way they do with infielders in baseball. Another thing is how bogged down the offense gets when we force feed him the ball. That’s not on Yao though, and all on the not so creative coach. The all-Yao all the time offense may work in some games but not always. When Yao gets fronted and we can’t feed him the ball, we’re in trouble. Dwight is much better than Yao defensively, and block shots don’t even tell half the story.
Yao is also one of the most efficient scorers in the NBA. He requires very few field goal attempts to score, and is excellent at drawing fouls (except when the officials conspire against him). Dwight is too…except he can’t hit his free throws.
I wish we had that efficient Yao against the Jazz whether it was yesterday or in previous playoff games against them. 7-18 is awful efficiency for a center with a post-up game.
by goingforthecorner on Mar 5, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
I think the problem with traditional basketball statistics is that they're within the context of a team game.
Speaking of beyond the box score, there’s no stat counting every time Yao fails to get a rebound that’s in his zone. I wish they had a rebound zone rating sort of stat they way they do with infielders in baseball.
Ultimately, what’s important in terms of rebounding, is the Rocket’s RR% with Yao versus without. Is it really relevant how many rebounds he grabs that fall in his zone? No, what matters is how his team rebounds when he’s in the game…Basketball is, at the end of the day, a game oriented around team and not individual success.
7-18 is awful efficiency for a center with a post-up game.
Yao struggles with Utah for obvious reasons. Okur/Boozer beat up on him all game, yet when he tries to be physical back at them, they flop and whine. It’s pretty outrageous Yao only shot five free throws against the team with the highest foul rate in the league (and it’s not even close).
I'll say
that it essentially comes down to defense between Howard and Yao – their offense is pretty comparable (though, from a non-statistical evaluation, I’d say Yao is better; he has better moves down low, even though Howard’s post moves are getting better. Yao doesn’t require the same quality of teammates as Howard, I think). And defense is very hard to quantify. As oelayat says, Yao doesn’t block that many shots, but he does force opponents to change their shots around the basket.
For what it’s worth, the B-Reference stats have Howard as the best defensive player in the league right now. I haven’t read the book where they get D-Rating from, however, so I have no idea how trustworthy it is, though others seem to like it.
I agree defensively
that Howard is superior, but not as much as you think. The irony of D-Rating is that individuals that play on excellent defensive teams can actually be downgraded in that it becomes difficult to isolate individual effects due to rotation symmetries. For instance, Yao Ming is 10th overall and Luis Scola 16th, yet Ron Artest and Shane Battier are nowhere in the top 20.
Offensively, however, Yao is superior, which I attribute to his ability to hit free throws at such a high percentage.
Yao was taken out of his game
I credit your guys for getting the refs to do that, so yep, it was a draw ultimately
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
Not a joke
it’s probably the truth.
Fine, I’ll admit it… I’m not a big believer in Booze’s ability to stay healthy.
This is spectacular.
Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."
if nothing else
just using the words “Utah” or “Jazz” multiplies the hits this blog receives immediately.
Truth
I read this blog almost as much as I read my own.
I have HUGE respect for both of you (It’s growing for BBN). I love your community. Lots of dedicated fans. tear
I really wish we could grow that at TBJ. Slow but steady I guess.
We bleed True Blue.
www.truebluejazz.com
I'm with CB...
Only time I’ll admit this… TDS is one of the only opponent blogs I stay current with.
Even though the analysis is wrong most of the time, it’s always entertaining.
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 5, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
OK OK
Enough of the love fest already.
It is getting steamy in here.
It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!
Well
My Utah Jazz recap wasn’t exactly the best offering for Utah Jazz fans ;-)
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Well said!
Well said brah! couldn’t have said it better about those Utah’s faggs!
They purposely arrange a first round match up with the Rockets because
their sissy asses know it’s a 1st round advance, but didn’t count on that Laker
foot in their ass in round 2. They fooled themselves to believe that they were good enough because they got out of the 1st round…This year, any team they play will be a
possible 1st round exit.
Correction
what I meant was it was in the West finals,the Utah Faggs planned the playoffs perfect.
they positioned themselves to play a team in the first round they knew they could beat by losing a couple of their last games of the season. They hoped for a miracle in the next round which is what happened when Dallas choked! & they breezed by the Warriors with a lot of rest and relaxation before the Finals & then they ran directly into a Laker’s fist!
Result: Utah Faggs plan back fired!
Utah Faggz!
I hate the Utah Faggz and Carlos Loser!
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