Playoff Recap: Rockets implode in fourth, lose 88-77; Series returns to Houston for Game 6
Talk about a role reversal. A frustrating, sickening role reversal.
For two home games, we were clutch. We made big shots. We grabbed offensive rebounds. We made defensive stops late. And most importantly, we were composed.
Tonight, Portland was clutch. Portland made big shots, grabbed offensive rebounds, stopped us on defense, and most importantly, were composed and level-headed on offense. They found Brandon Roy when we couldn't find Yao Ming. And worst of all, Rockets fans had to sit through this display in the form of a Blazer 15-0 run.
Paging Twittering Rick Adelman. Mr. Rick Adelman.
But then there was hope. Portland started missing shots; they looked like the road Blazers. Ron Artest made a three pointer, Luis Scola made a layup, and suddenly, it was a five point game. Yet, as soon as hope was giveth, hope was suddenly snatched away. Our bad habits awoke from their temporary slumber, in the form of The Aaron Brooks show. Brooks must've forgotten about his midgetness and took his game into the paint against Joel Przybilla and Greg Oden. End result: Joel eats Aaron's lunch, takes his ball away, and shoves him into his locker.
It's unfair of me to blame the loss on squarely Aaron, so I won't. But I'm going to start this recap with him, because I felt he did an awful job running the offense.
I like an aggressive Aaron Brooks as much as anyone. When he is taking shots in rhythm, he can put up some impressive stats (see Game 1). But tonight, Brooks was fidgety. He was awkward. And worst of all, he couldn't simply turn on the burners to get himself going, because Steve Blake was playing some phenomenal defense. The only three pointer that Brooks made was a pull-up on a fast break, which is ironic, because the most difficult shot that Aaron took appeared to be the most fluid and in-rhythm attempt that he had all night from behind the arc. When defenders take away Aaron's ability to drive, he suddenly puts all of his marbles into his three-point shot and begins to force the action.
Brooks should never be our primary scoring option, and someone needed to tell him that. He is a point guard, and for some reason, every time he touched the ball, he was looking to score rather than to distribute. His focus was not on the offense but on himself. I won't go as far as to say that Aaron was selfish, but he didn't have to put the offense on his shoulders, as they are not big enough to do so. By the time the buzzer sounded, Brooks was 6 for 20 from the field and had seven more shot attempts than the next Rocket. Ugh.

Back to our coach for a second. Someone needs to educate Rick Adelman on how to use his timeouts. As of now, Rick's strategy is as follows: He sets his alarm for a specific point deficit, that being ten or more, and when the Rockets finally trail by double-digits to the opponent, he wakes up and calls a timeout. Earth to Ricky! Why not call your boys to the bench and get them settled down before they are losing by four to five buckets? In the case of tonight's fourth quarter implosion, why not call a time out when the run is at eight to nothing, or ten to nothing? Do we have to be down by eleven points before you stop the run at 15-0? Is that some superstitious rule or something? We still had the game in hand if we were only down by three or five. But to let us trail by even more than that before trying to fix what isn't working is a terrible blueprint. Rick, something needs to change.
I wish we could have seen a complete game from Luis Scola. I was hoping for thirty points, and thirty points was a reasonable expectation at one point. He was DOMINANT in the first quarter and practically carried us to a seven point deficit heading into halftime. In fact, he had seventeen of our forty-three points, which is an enormous number for a third or fourth scoring option. But as soon as the second half began, Luis found himself in foul trouble and couldn't stay on the floor. It was a monumental blow to the Rockets' offensive execution in the second half, as we were left without a capable post player opposite Yao Ming. Carl Landry had one of his poorest games of the season, and couldn't stay on the floor either. Chuck Hayes played eight minutes without scoring a basket. While we don't expect much from Chuck offensively, it is absolutely devastating for our offense not to get any production from our power forward position.
The power forward spot has been our primary advantage on the offensive side of the ball all series long. We've been able to offset Yao Ming's struggles for the most part, and tonight had the makings of a big second half from Yao. Scola began making so many open shots that the Blazers began leaving Yao in single coverage. Unfortunately, they didn't have to do that for long, as Scola never had a chance to do much in half number two. While I realize that he was in foul trouble, Adelman was a little quick in yanking him off the court so often. But whatever the case, Yao was not able to be anything more than ordinary. He made his open jumpers and had a nice hook shot or two, but we were not able to get him the ball when it mattered, and there was no question that Luis Scola's absence severely affected that.
However, it would have been nice to see a little more aggressiveness from Yao. Most of his shots were fadeaways, turnarounds, or long jumpers. This resulted in a single trip to the free throw line. I said this in the Game 4 recap and I'll say it again: I'll take five shots and five trips to the free throw line from Yao over 10 shots and only one trip or two. He needs to get to the line, and for that to happen, he's got to go back to putting his shoulder into the defender. He has gotten lazy with his post moves, and it surprises me to say that. But he must get to the line more.
On the topic of fouls and officiating, I'd like to quickly address it and move on.
I thought the referees did a good job tonight. The Rockets were aggressive, but at times, we were out of control and reckless. Brandon Roy and Joel Przybilla took two legitimate charges - there should not be any arguments about that. During that 15-0 run by Portland, we committed some silly fouls that we shouldn't have, and Portland was able to go to the line and get some free points. My only complaint with the referees was with a few calls on Shane Battier, the most annoying being when Shane was called for a hold while trying to fight through a moving screen by Przybilla. But that was one bad call, and in every game, at least one call will be bad. To be clear, the officiating was by no means a concern of mine. Anyone shouting at the foul discrepancy should stop while they're ahead, because there is no use. I also wish that Rockets color commentator Clyde Drexler would put a lid on it sometimes when he is on a "that was a foul" rant. Seriously. How about thinking of something more productive to say, such as, "The Rockets need to find some composure and stop comitting dumb fouls."

For a team that boasts such a lethal bench, Portland, aside from one game, hasn't gotten much production from its reserves. Travis Outlaw has been shut down, and I've been very pleased with that. Rudy Fernandez has been let loose a few times, but he would start for any other team in the league. Oden has yet to be anything more than a ferocious post-fronter, and Rodriguez hasn't even been noticable. But let's face it; the Rockets would love for the Blazers to have to rely on their bench to score. Instead, the opposite has been the case, and LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy have outplayed the opposition.
I'm not sure what to do with Aldridge sometimes. You say to yourself, "Sure, let him spot up from just inside the three point line. That's a horrible shot for a 6'11 guy," and then he makes four of them in a row. He had been restricting himself to jump shots all series long, but he finally brought his assertiveness to the table in Game 5. That's the last thing the Rockets wanted to happen - a lengthy ahtlete jumping and driving all throughout the lane. LaMarcus was two fouls away from having a pair of arena-shaking slam dunks. He really picked up his game tonight.
As for Roy, I still believe that we are defending him well. Maybe I think too highly of him, but 8-20 for 25 points is fine by me. If only we could take advantage of his momentary dry spells. He missed three shots in a row at one point in the third quarter, and all we got was a single bucket from Yao. But the most impressive part of Roy's game is his ability to score late in quarters. He is quickly becoming one of the most clutch players in the league, and unlike Yao, his team is able to get him the ball whenever he wants it.
Two statistics stand out more than any others: three point shooting and turnovers. We went 3-15 from behind the arc tonight, a stark contrast to our 9-16 outing in Game 4. Even more astounding was the fact that Shane Battier only took one shot from three point country. He was obviously a focus of the Blazer defense after his back to back high scoring outputs. As for everyone else, mainly Aaron Brooks (1 for 8 from three), we rushed our outside shots and weren't able to get any good kick-out passes.
While I'm thinking about it, when was the last time we got the ball to Yao and he kicked it out for a three point shot? Has anyone else witnessed that yet? It was one of Yao's biggest improvements this season, his newfound ability to pass the ball out of the double-team for a three. My only answer to this dilemma is that Portland has made an effort to double Yao before the post entry pass and not after he has received it. This way, the Blazers can still account for everyone on the perimeter. If we want to improve our three point percentage in Game 6, we can start by working the kick-out pass that we have effectively used all season long.
To return to the key statistics, we turned the ball over like it was covered in grease. Portland had ten steals, and most of them came in the first half, when Ron Artest was trying to lazily force the ball every which way. Luis Scola also had a tough time keeping possession of the ball and had four turnovers of his own. Brooks also had some silly turnovers while trying to dribble one on five. We only had nine TO's in Game 5, but tonight we had 16, one less than our assist count. Yikes.
Finally, we've been missing a key component of our offense, and it's Ron-Ron himself. Artest is known for his bad shot selection, but every once in a while he gets hot and starts making shots left and right. Unfortunately, he has yet to find a groove in this series, and we have had to look elsewhere for perimeter production. Von Wafer won't score 21 points again like he did in Game 2, and Battier is no lock for 15 either, so Ron will have to step it up a notch in Game 6. I'm still appreciative of all that he does on defense, and he has had some great assist numbers in the series thus far, but he needs to start scoring. Our second-best scoring option should not be scoring 9, 10, and 12 points. He hasn't even reached the 20 point plateau yet. And remember Ron, when I say that I want you to score, that doesn't mean you take every available shot. We just need you to make the open ones.
Jump for the rest of the recap...
One Up (nobody else was really all that outstanding):
Luis Scola - I can't fault him for much at all. He was a force offensively and really kept us in it for a while. He has been the key to our offense all series long, and without his production, we may not be so lucky to have lead going into Game 6. Continue your solid play, Luis.
Three Down:
Von Wafer -- Surprised? Von shot 4-9 tonight, which is fine. But the growing concern with Von in my court is that he can not and will not rebound. He rarely boxes out his opponent, and he rarely runs in from the three point line to help grab a board. Because of this, the Blazers were able to keep some plays alive. This has been happening all season long too - Von will leave his man alone and look to go spot up on offense, leaving a more aggressive guard or wing player to run in and tip the ball to a teammate. Wafer must fix this. But I doubt that will happen this season.
Aaron Brooks -- See earlier paragraphs.
Carl Landry -- Dave wrote, "Carl Landry walked around like he was on Ritalin™ the whole game." That just about sums it up.
Stats of the Night:
Free Throws: Rockets 8/10 - Blazers 16/23
Rebounds: Rockets 36 - Blazers 37
Turnovers: Rockets 16 - Blazers 11
Fouls: Rockets 24 - Blazers 12
Free Throw Statistic: Not since June 8th, 2008 has a playoff team taken 10 free throws or less.
Insane Quote of the Night:
From Clyde Drexler:
When he is aggressive and driving to the basket, Aaron Brooks is the best scoring point guard in this league.
Here is a list my friend Jonathan and I came up with:
- Chris Paul
- Deron Williams
- Chauncey Billups
- Devin Harris
- Tony Parker
- Steve Nash
- Monta Ellis
- Mo Williams
- Baron Davis
- Gilbert Arenas
- Andre Miller
- Jameer Nelson
- Derrick Rose
If you deleted all of those guys from the league, Clyde, then yes, you would be correct....*sigh*
Next Game: Thursday @ Toyota Center. This is a must-win game, and that should be obvious. It will be a real gut check to see if we are ready to take the next step. Go Rockets!
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I have a feeling
we won’t be seeing any posts about David Stern highjacking the NBA and forcing the refs to bend to China’s will on BE in the next few days.
Funny what a win will do to someone’s perspective.
by chrisjay84 on Apr 29, 2009 1:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate called the officials out...
Thats why they behaived. Let’s see if they continue to do so.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 5:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
According to Blazers logic, the reffing was TERRIBLE. Seeing the discrepancy in foul calling means that the refs were biased.
Isn’t that how it works?
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Not when it goes against the Blazers. Then it’s good officiating.
by chrisjay84 on Apr 29, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too late
What’s funny is how after game one Rocket’s fan were commenting about how obscenely Blazer fans were blaming the refs, as if they have been immune to the phenomena themsleves.
In my own defense, I’ve always believed the NBA refs have been biased, at least since they replaced the peach basket with a net
I AM A PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SUPPORTER.
by bow4meow on Apr 29, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on...
We have all seen phantom calls go the Rockets way earlier in this series. Nate calls them out. The Blazers, who are the more talented team, play a finess game, which is hard to defend, thus the Rockets recieve more fouls.
We aren’t mad when there is a discrepancy. We are mad at individual fouls that shouldnt be called. Call a fair game and thats what you get.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please stop speaking gibberish.
A more talented team? The only players that are making any impact in this series are Roy and LMA. And no one is surprised by this. But Scola has matched LMA. The rest of the Blazers are basically just interchangeable parts. Not exactly beacons of talent.
and finesse teams do not get a lot of fouls called in their favor, and in fact this is MUCH easier to defend than a physical “take it to you” team.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Popovich says the Blazers may be the most talented team in the NBA.
GrungeDave says the Houston Rockets are more talented.
Hmmmm…..
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better team ball
We aren’t more talented, but we do play better team ball.
I take team ball over talent any day of the week.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is totally fair.
Team ball has been the biggest difference between both of these teams from last year to this year.
Houston certainly has the edge for right now though.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Apr 29, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But talent will waiver
We have $23 million to spend. Hell, we could buy Roy with that kind of cash.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you know Roy very well
by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you know money.
If not Roy then we can steal Aldridge. He is a Texan after all.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is from Dallas. He hates Houston :)
by Norsktroll on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the weed?
It usually relaxes you and you get over those anxieties, since he went to UT.
Also, he is a Texan. Even though he is from Dallas, the asshole of Texas, anywhere in Texas is better than those other whimpier states.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better chance than stealing Roy
Roy is a PNW boy through and through. He has a spot of leadership and responsibility on the team and loves it here. You might be surprised, but 8 people on the team make more money than him on the team as of now. Obviously when his contract expires that will go up, but he will never be someone who demands, say, $20+ million dollars. Right now he makes about as much as Landry to give you an idea.
We also have 2 players who turned down higher contracts to stay blazers. In Rudy’s case, MUCH bigger contracts.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cleveland
thought they knew Boozer well too. one thing I’ve seen is that 95% of the league puts money first. Money, and marketing potential.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could very well be wrong
Like you point out, it has happened before. I just really don’t think it will happen with Roy. Even if he DOES demand a ton of money, Portland is more than willing to commit since, as everyone has seen, he is good enough to build a franchise around.
And Paul Allen is our sugardaddy.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just don't understand.
Portland is not just an interesting young team. They are a Dream Team unto themselves. They are the alpha and omega of all possible basketball outcomes. They are…
Holy shit.
I shouldn’t have eaten that smoked salmon that just showed up on my doorstep… It looked legit, though. That was just freaking weird. I became a Blazer Fan for about 20 trippy seconds.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oregon smoked salmon is so good
it might even convince you to stop eating all that delicious Texas barbecue. But if the salmon won’t, maybe this will?
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't we have both?
Alder smoked salmon.
Mesquite smoked BBQ.
Houston has absolutely no fear of what would happen if every foul on Yao was called, and every foul Yao committed was called.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...sort of...
I actually felt this was a make-up game of sorts but still no consistency. The refs didn’t call much the first half and let them play. Only in the second half did they start tightening the calls. SOME of the those fouls early in the fourth were pretty ticky-tack and stuff that wasn’t being called in the first half. That’s also when Houston had comeback and taken the 4 point lead. Portland got into the bonus early and then took advantage of it. Not blaming the refs entirely, Houston had their opportunities but kind of imploded much like Portland did in Game 4 with some silly turnovers, fouls, shot selection, missed rebounds, etc.
The conspiracy theorist in me says the refs (or NBA) were going to let ‘em play and as long a Portland was ahead, they’d let ‘em play. When Portland started to stumble, out came the whistles. All this AFTER Nate asked for consistency from the refs (and got fined). Reminds you of how tight the refs got on Oden/Przy after game 2 after Adelman said something (but didn’t get fined immediately like Nate? What’s up with that?)
All we are asking for in NBA officiating is consistency. Call the same game whether it be a quarter, half, game, series, playoffs or regular season…
‘OK Nic, swag on out on ‘em!’
by clinchmobb on Apr 29, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it wasn't patently impossible
I would think the league was trying not to be hypocritcal (re the fines)
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not ready to label him as a more talented pure scorer yet.
he’s obviously better all around.
The Dream Shake
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much sums it up
The Blazers hit big shots near the end and we didn’t (thanks ron). Looks like Yao shooting long jumpers won’t beat the front, but i’ll take it over an Artest fadeaway anyday.
The only thing we can look forward to for game 6 is that the Blazers haven’t made big shots in the Toyota center, and hopefully that trend will continue.
Brooks continues to show us why is not starting material, and Artest continues to show us why it would be insane to extend him for more than one year at a time. and where the hell has Brent Barry been all week? He’s got more playoff experience that the rest of the team combined!
Here’s to praying game 6 is NOT on nbatv again. I mean they’re not even trying to hide their subjectivity. GIVE US JVG.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 1:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of people piling on Brooks and Ron Ron
NO one complains when they win games for us, only when they don’t. That’s called fair weather fandom. I realize Brooks had some very questionable decisions tonight, but that doesn’t mean dude hasn’t been money since Rafer (remember HIM??) was traded. And lay off Artest already, he didn’t start jacking up shots until it was getting out of hand anyways. The dude brings a mental toughness that everyone else on this team sorely lacks.
by chrisjay84 on Apr 29, 2009 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not one to bag on Artest often.
Like I said, he does everything else for us really well. Just needs to work on the shot selection, which has absolutely killed us before.
Fair weather fandom doesn’t apply to Aaron tonight. We’ve all been impressed with him thus far, but I just wasn’t big on his gameplan for tonight. He could have done a lot of things better. That said, I expect him to play well in Game 6.
The Dream Shake
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you forget Lowry?
He had NO points, 2 assists and 1 TO in 13 min. No FT attempts.
He did not help Aaron at all. Maybe that’s why Aaron felt so compelled to take the game on his shoulders
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Apr 29, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no ones piling up on anybody
I don’t remember saying either of them lost the game for us. In Brook’s case, I’m only stating what he has been all year + series, a smaller and quicker version of wafer. I don’t know about you, but I have had it with Artest’s shooting all series. Yea hes had a few good plays and played ok defense, but his shot selection has been ATROCIOUS.
Bad shooting nights I can take, but repetitively poor decision making is inexcusable. Artest NEEDS to be called out for his perfomance tonight, because our chances at winning hinge on his decision making.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well in today’s case aron brooks’ decision making, denying yao in the post, dribble dribble lost the game for us. If he and artest have more FGs than yao and scola combined, houston can get ready to pack their bags and get out of the 1st round again.
by o_oholycrap on Apr 29, 2009 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First time poster/reader.
really great recap.
And i haven’t listened to him, but No way is Clyde more crazy than our color commentator Mike Rice. He once made a bet with Travis Outlaw that if he got ten boards in one game he’d dye his hair pink on TV.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 29, 2009 1:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
appreciate it - glad that you found us.
The Dream Shake
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly they renew the bet before some games, so no, not yet--I think Trout only got in double digits once this year & it wasn't a bet game.
And yeah, Mike Rice is a raving lunatic homer extraordinaire, like the country uncle who embarrasses the city branch of the family.
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 4:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bet was he would shave his head
into a faux hawk…. not dye his hair pink. Rice is a goofball for sure, and his senility is coming into quesiton, but his love for the PTB is genuine and you gotta give him that.
I AM A PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SUPPORTER.
by bow4meow on Apr 29, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't have to love him for being an intractable homer. He's embarrassing.
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All home announcers are homers
gasp
Shocking news! Fans of a team enjoy hearing about the players on their team more than the players on the other team! More at 11!
I agree, however, that NBA TV needs to get their own, relatively impartial announcers. No one outside of a team’s coverage area should have to deal with the home announcers of that team. That’s just mean.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i predict a hornets vs. blazers in the the WCF, with the hornets winning in 6
Then the Hornets will go on to face the Miami Heat, during which CP3 will catch on fire and put up 40 points and 30 assists per game. Hornets 2009 World Champions.
by CP3isMVP on Apr 29, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I greatly look forward to
…hearing more of your outrageous fantasies.
1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21... I know...
by FibonacciSequence on Apr 30, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I grew up a Dodger fan, so I can't help comparing announcers to the great (and non-homer) Vin Sculley.
now I don’t expect Mike Rice to suddenly sound sophisticated and sonorous, but I hate getting emails from my friends after Blazers games ridiculing our announcers.
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The charge call on Scola in the fourth quarter
That was not the proper call. Luis was out of control, but Pryzbilla wasn’t close to being out of the restricted area. It wasn’t a matter of his heel being on the line, his entire left foot was well within the restricted area. I think the Portland lead was about 6 at the time and they made a bucket on the other end. Yao hit a little four foot jumper that would have gotten it to 4. That didn’t kill us, but it would have put the brakes in the middle of the 15-0 run if I remember correctly.
by forshizzzle on Apr 29, 2009 1:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a Blazer fan
I thought that was a blown call as well. Yao got away with another beat down or two of Roy in the paint.
Great Recap Tom. By the way Roy was sick tonight and took an IV before the game. I’m glad we started to defend Battier better he’s the heart, soul and brain of your team. Seriously Battier is the “IT” guy on your team and is the one guy that truly horrify’s me on Houston. Much respect to Yao too of course but Battier is nails.
See you guys in Houston, Game Six should be a real battle!
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
by Idog1976 on Apr 29, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
to clarify. The Przybilla taking a charge from Scola was a blown call. Should have been a blocking foul on Przybilla.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
by Idog1976 on Apr 29, 2009 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yao....really.....still on that
You are still on Yao and Roy talk.
Face it, every one of your big men should easily foul out at the half for their treatment on Yao. Just look at the scratches on his arm as they claw to prevent him from reaching out for the ball. The only one on your team that played Yao fair was Aldridge on one play where he stood absolutely zero chance of affecting Yao’s shot.
I can’t wait till your big men are decent enough to actually be a threat. Maybe then you will actually see what kind of abuse a good big man takes.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Straight comedy
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Apr 29, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"every one of your big men should easily foul out at the half for their treatment on Yao."
Uh, prone to overstatement are we? Please, have a seat before you start stroking out or something.
by mlsinpdx on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
i felt the ref made the correct call for the simple fact that Scola was completely out of control.
by cloudydays on Apr 29, 2009 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good point
Joel was clearly inside the restricted area but Scola was almost falling over by the time he got to that spot. I’m not sure which takes precedent, but it seems like it would be dangerous to allow an offensive player to draw fouls even when he’s lost body control in that manner.
I’d be interested to hear someone familiar with that particular rule clear this up.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Apr 29, 2009 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scola is not graceful
As ugly as scola looked, he is not graceful. There is a very very strong chance that had pryz not been there and he been flying like that, he would still make the layup.
And I am not familiar with any rule on how you have to look when you get called for a block or a charge, I thought it all depended on the defensive player.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is in the circle, the rule is officially "no call"
If the ref thinks it was a charge. That never happens though, so if there is a call, it is supposed to be on the defender, you simply cannot charge a guy by NBA rules when they are in, or touching, the half circle
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
by UofTOrange on Apr 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are some cases where the circle becomes moot
one is based on where the offensive player started his drive. If it’s in the low post area, then the circle does not apply and a charge CAN be taken inside it.
Another is if the player is passing instead of shooting.
I’m not saying either was the case on this play. It look like a missed call to me.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Apr 29, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not questioning you per se
I’m wanting to know where in the rule book it says that, because I have never seen it
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by UofTOrange on Apr 29, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's rediculous!
The way you are interpreting it, if a defender is in the circle then you can just plow right through him. No, if you are going up to take a shot and make contact with a defender who is inside the circle, it is a foul on the defender. The difference in this case is that Skola was so far out of control that he was not even going up for a shot. You cannot just plow through a defender which is what the call was.
by mlsinpdx on Apr 29, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
You have only seen scola in a bubble. He can get off balance, out of control, but still finish strong at the hoop. There is not telling if he would or would not have made it had someone else not knocked it out.
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said I agreed with it, I HATE the circle
But to the best of my knowledge, that is the rule
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
by UofTOrange on Apr 30, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no "out of control" provision. Fouls are called on the same basis
though to be fair, appearing to lack control will lead to more calls against a player.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't be more wrong
Scola passed on the play and it doesn’t matter if Joel is in the restricted area or not. Only matters if he is in the restricted area if it is a shot, otherwise it can be called a charge.
by NBA Refs Suck on Apr 29, 2009 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't heard of that
I’m not sure if that’s true or not. Could be. On NBA.com they don’t make the distinction.
An offensive foul should never be called if the contact is with a secondary defensive player who has established a defensive position within a designated “restricted area” near the basket for the purpose of drawing an offensive foul.
by forshizzzle on Apr 29, 2009 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you find ANYWHERE that backs that up?
I’ve never once heard or seen that. I’m pretty sure that is not correct
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by UofTOrange on Apr 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard it many times
but…don’t have it on the tips of my fingers
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my point
I’ve heard “it’s a mute point” and “same difference” a billion times, doesn’t make them correct ;-)
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by UofTOrange on Apr 29, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a mute point :D
I also like “if worst comes to worst”.
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a 'moot' point
A ‘mute’ point is a point that is unable to talk.
by samuelleejackson on Apr 29, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, friend
check out the post to which I was replying. it’s established as being wrong.
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 29, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only they were..
Houston has absolutely no fear of what would happen if every foul on Yao was called, and every foul Yao committed was called.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it is...
…this
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The correct call
Scola either had attempted to pass or straight dropped the ball before he ran into Przybilla. In that case, the restricted area doesn’t apply to players without the ball. But yes, Przybilla was not fully outside the restricted area (although I’m not sure what the definition is – he was ‘straddling’ as we say in Ultimate.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
by manzell on Apr 29, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad call then
Then that might be a foul, but they made the wrong call. It sure as hell wasn’t a charge. And by that it was not a foul, or not a charge.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VIDEO
Here’s the play in (click for HD). It was actually second quarter. Scola passed it.
by levelhed on Apr 29, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Show me the rule where that changes anything
And then we’ll talk. Not saying you are wrong, just saying I’ve never seen that rule. And I’ve researched that stupid freaking circle a lot. It’s the dumbest thing in the NBA, and that’s saying a lot
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
by UofTOrange on Apr 29, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very dubious call
1. scola was not passing it. look closely and see that it was poked away right before contact with prz.
2. scola started his drive from outside of the box area, so standing in the restricted area should not draw a charge.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point is
The three main “blown fouls” you guys are talking about are at best extremely close, and in all cases Battier, Scola, and Lowry are doing their best bull-in-a-china-shop impressions which doesn’t typically get you the benefit of the doubt in the NBA.
The Blazers didn’t get any more home cookin’ than we’ve seen through any of the previous games. Whistles have been erratic throughout with the home team getting a slight edge.
by levelhed on Apr 29, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh i don't know about the rest of the calls
and i definitely don’t blame the refs for the game. but i was just replying to your assertion that scola deserved the charge, that I believe it should have been a blocking foul for the reasons I mentioned.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first i wanna say that htis article is actually pretty good analysis.
2nd i wanna clarify something: on that play that you’re talking about, i believe scola was passing the ball to yao off the drive? What are the rules on applying the restricted area when you’re NOT shooting? Do the same rules apply? The announcers for the game made it sound like they don’t from what i gather.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and 3rd
there were several calls that were bullshit. and they went both ways. you could look at some of the contact that oden took on the offensive end. you could look at the hip bump outlaw took on his 1on1 vs yao (replay showed it perfectly). to be fair, yao did a great job of masking his movement, but it was clear there was contact. At least they got the call right next time when he bumped roy out of bounds.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful what you say
You need to watch it there. You actually admitted Yao gets called for fouls just like the ones Oden gets called for.
Also, contact on the offensive end for Oden? I seem to remember 2 in particular where he was fouled, he was sent to the line, and he proceeded to shoot terribly. What are you talking about?
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I spot you guys a 70-30 edge
for game 6 just because of having homecourt, but otherwise this is a dead-even series. What always worried me about your team is that the Rockets haven’t really been phased by the Portland defense in terms of executing your perimeter game, but our offense has become completely disrupted by your defense. I hope against hope that we manage to force game 7, but I can’t imagine being able to take game 6 considering how hungry you guys are to get out of the first round. This will either be a blowout in Houston’s favor or a close game going into the fourth, where it will simply come down to who wants it more at the end, and for some reason I just can’t imagine the blazers wanting it more than the rockets.
But regardless, it has been a great series thus far, and in spite of the troubles your team gives us, I think losing this series woud be better for us in the long run than winning against a team that doesn’t take us out of our comfort zone. You guys have taught us toughness, and I appreciate that.
Good luck on thursday, but as one poster said above, not too much luck!
Go Blazers!
by premthegrem on Apr 29, 2009 2:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Definately you guys are not under the same amount of pressure as the rockets are in advancing to the 2nd round. When aldridge start to trust his post moves more and oden learns a couple of moves and stays out of foul trouble, portland will be pretty much unstoppable. Blazers definitely have a brighter future than the current rockets unless rockets can make a splash with tmac’s 23mill in 2010
by o_oholycrap on Apr 29, 2009 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way...
60 – 40 advantage Rockets. The Blazers are wearing Yoa down and figuring out how to play Houston in the staples center. The next game is both teams game 7.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 5:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cut him some slack
Trent here is new to “fandom” and just jumped on the bandwagon this season.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you say that like its a bad thing
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jumping on the bandwagon...
usually has a negative connotation.
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could someone explain why?
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bandwagon
Noun
jump or climb on the bandwagon to join a popular party or movement that seems assured of success
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You gave me the definition and failed to tell me where the negative connotation came from.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent.
I really wish I didn’t have to spell everything out for you.
Negative connotation: the idea is you wouldn’t be a fan if the Blazer’s didn’t win as many games as they did and that if they start sucking again you would forget all about that. It’s basically insulting you as a fan of your team, something MOST sports fans don’t enjoy.
Now, if you don’t mind being called a bandwagon fan that’s you’re thing but you run around and act proud of it people are going to think you’re crazy.
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get it...
How is any of that bad?
People don’t like “bandwagon” fans because they like to watch good products, while they themselves wallow watching a struggling team?
I guess I can see where it comes from, jealousy, but when you think about it, I am way ahead of the pack.
It also doesn’t hurt that the Blazers are a team thats easy to root for. We don’t have any Ron Artests on this team. Just good guys who work hard.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Let me see if I can make this a little clearer.
90% of Lakers fans = bandwagon fans. Does that help you at all?
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Lakers...
We are watching a flawed superstar in the twilight of his career try and pin up as many championships as possible. He has paid for his mistakes and he is the definition of a workhorse. The Lakers are my number 2 team so condemning a fanbase for liking them is something I will not do.
People who jump on “bandwagon” fans are following an archaic mentality. Let it die already.
Are you really proud when you watch your team struggle to make the playoffs year after year? I will have none of that. My standards are too high.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, the Lakers are your #2 team?
I bet most Portland fans wouldn’t let you be a fan of their team if they knew that.
Where are you from?
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
by UofTOrange on Apr 29, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
I mentioned that over at Blazers Edge and I found out it wasn’t a very popular sentiment.
I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jesus christ
I restate my “douchebag” label for the record.
You are such a tool. The whole point of being a sports fan is to suffer through the highs AND the lows… it makes winning that much more satisfying.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
‘The whole point of being a sports fan’ – I’m pretty sure that the point of being a sports fan is enjoying sports, in any method of consumption that you like. I understand the badge of pride that comes with following a lousy franchise, but people can enjoy entertainment in any way they want.
by samuelleejackson on Apr 29, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and no one respects those people.
They are passersby. They are not fans.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. a "Fan" is short for fanatic.
if you were fanatical about a team, you would root for them when they are bad and when they are good.
bandwagon fans are the first to gripe at the first mistake about the coach, players we need to trade away and so on.
As shaq would say, bandwagon fans are masters of panic.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
Quoting Shaq on this site isn’t really the best way to make your point. ;-)
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Orlando’s coach Flop Sweat was the master of panic.
1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21... I know...
by FibonacciSequence on Apr 30, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding. Ding. Ding.
Oh…it’s samuelleejackson. My brother. My comrade. My DJ Jazzy Jeff to my Will Smith.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 15 cities?
Top 15 at what, sucking?
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 15 cities in the world?
HAH. It isn’t even one of the top 15 cities in the Northeast
by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New signature test
New signature test
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather you delete that...
…as it comes off not the way I intended it. Buffalo is not a joke.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love thier wild wings
but seriously, people from buffalo are known for being self-righteous in their tribalism, you reacting is the exact response that is expected. have you ever meet an irishmen who just wants to get a rise out of you and does? my advice: don’t try to make friends with the enemy, you can act nicey nicey when you come over here and act like luis scola is an interesting player to watch, but try to be a little more good naturred in the way you dish and receive ribbing (yeah, that sounded gross).
"The refs have caused a bird-pig flu pandemic"
by appel82 on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When have I ever said anything positive about Luis Scola?
The only thing I find mildly amusing about him is the fact that he looks like an out of shape Russel Brand.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was using that as an example
of giving the opposition a back handed compliment.
"The refs have caused a bird-pig flu pandemic"
by appel82 on Apr 29, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also like to point out...
After game 7 you will miss seeing my name and reading my posts. If your seperation anxiety becomes too much to bear you can visit the Lakers message board. I will be educating that fanbase on the nuances of the TrailBlazers.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please don't
you are not the most educated representative, no offense. Besides, 90 percent of laker fans aren’t NBA fans, so if they know anything about Portland, they already know as much or more about the blazers than you.
"The refs have caused a bird-pig flu pandemic"
by appel82 on Apr 29, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, he's a Laker fan
Makes you think doesn’t it
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by UofTOrange on Apr 29, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
It’s just the Buffalo Bills that are a joke.
No one else has choked four straight Super Bowls, to my knowledge.
1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21... I know...
by FibonacciSequence on Apr 30, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will my friend..
I will.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Unless you are 8 years old, it is a terrible thing.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's something to be said for loyalty
You have none. And no one respects that.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loyalty?
You do realize that this is proffesional sports we are talking about, which exists soley for our ammusement. The whole “loyalty” marketing gimmick has been pushed for the past 20 years by big business to extract your dollar. I don’t see how choosing what team to root for and follow can possibly be put in a negative light.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither of us work for the teams we follow
Among fans, yes, loyalty is important. Very important. Sad that you don’t get this. In a way I actually pity your hollow attempt at sports fandom.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong...
You buy their tickets. You watch their games on TV. You buy their merchendise. You even advertise for them by saying “Did you catch the game last night” to a random stranger.
You are the coal which fuels the engine my friend.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine by me.
As long as it helps my team. And yes, its obvious that sports is a business. But without true fans, the business will not be as successful.
I don’t care of the Rockets could give a shit about me. I don’t care about that. I just like to see the players I follow and the team that I love win.
The Dream Shake
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no depth to this comment
In fact, no one has really went beyond the standard answer as to why one roots for a particular team no matter what. All I hear is some variation of “Loyalty is important! Ug. It makes the highs that much better! Ug.”
If anyone could take the time to really sit down and answer me why you root for teams that you know you shouldnt I would love it.
I fear sports has gotten so big in this country that I am talking to people that can never turn back.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so....we like a team..we enjoy the team..we are entertained by the team...but we should not support it?
is that what you’re getting at with this statement?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cuz now it sounds like you're a bandwagon freeloader.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am no longer able to participate in this discussion due to a moderators request...
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 30, 2009 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
^This may be the single most sig worthy comment I have ever seen.
I doubt you are still reading this thread, but I find you wildly entertaining and obviously intelligent. My only contention is that while waring the uniform of “Blazer fan” you make it difficult to have conversation with outher fans. I suspect you’re aware of “what is one more when there are so many”? But one more is one more. But as long as your including your “recent” interest as a part of your routine, you have conditional immunity, in my eyes at any rate.
I am no longer able to participate in this discussion due to a moderators request...
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Screen Name on Apr 30, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming it wasn't one of our moderators
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
by UofTOrange on Apr 30, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that would make it even better, lol
I am no longer able to participate in this discussion due to a moderators request...
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Screen Name on Apr 30, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys have been very generous with the leash hear.
It’s unfortunate just how much of it’s getting used though…
I am no longer able to participate in this discussion due to a moderators request...
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Screen Name on Apr 30, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Concerning who?
Also, take your sig down.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on May 1, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically,
it means that
1. you probably don’t know much about the team if you’re only tuning in when they’re winning.
2. you’re probably not a real NBA fan.
3. no one cares about you anymore.
sorry.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the future
I knew since last year that portland would be the newest most dangerous playoff team. Oden can only get better once he learns how to score. They should start outlaw over batum and fernandez is quite a spark off the bench already. Maybe add another low post scorer and this team may be the only threat to the lakers for years to come. The blazers have their #1 and#2 on the team to build around in roy and aldridge. Roy is great and as a UT alum, i’ve seen aldridge play since his college years and he could be a even better rebounder and shot blocker than he is showing.
But yeah, hopefully the rockets can use the 23 mill from tmac and spend it wisely on someone to bring us to the next level and keep competitive in the west seeing as how the spurs dynasty is at an end.
by clutchcity9495 on Apr 29, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trust me, travis dosen't like the pressure of being a starter, or something
he just is one of those players that is better coming off the bench, period. No one in Portland really understands Outlaw, or his shot selection, we are just happy when he bails us out. Batum is an effective starter, except he is pretty useless against your team because he dosen’t make Battier work like Rudy or Travis, and Yao is your guy to iso. If McGrady was playing than Batum would be more useful in this series. I love watching Battier defending Rudy by the way, finally making that guy work, it only took nate 5 games to realize this (just kidding, i’m sure he knew, but feared a defensive lapse on rudy’s part).
"The refs have caused a bird-pig flu pandemic"
by appel82 on Apr 29, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aron brooks just sucks. Thank you for denying the ball to Yao when he clearly had position down in the post numerous times in the fourth quarter. Instead it end up either with aron brooks or ron artest firing up chokers
by o_oholycrap on Apr 29, 2009 3:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You do a nice recap here
I agree with many of your observations (though that Battier foul really was a foul because he had hooked BRoy’s arm and held him). I have to think that the Rockets still should be feeling pretty good – most nights they will win if they hold their opponent in the 80’s.
One interesting stat that I noted on the bench play. Yao had just one FG while Oden was in the game. I think Oden’s work on Yao was unnoticed. He’ll burn his fouls on Yao to be sure, but at some point, Yao will wear down because of it. He does need more help from the front line mates late in the game.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on Apr 29, 2009 7:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Foul after a foul?
So now as long as you commit a foul because you are being fouled its a foul on you?
You live in some magical world huh?
Had pryz just held Battier’s jersey with both hands forcing Battier to grab Roy, would it still be a foul on Battier?
Also, of course Yao is tired, Oden fouls him damn near every trip down the court, and I mean trip cause Yao isn’t even in the lane when the fouls start coming.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riiiigggghhhht.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Apr 29, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Pryz weak?
Also, even if he moved in his screen cause Battier hit him, is he a little girl. Can’t the boy set a screen like a man?
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good point
maybe the refs should have thought about that.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
by northwestj on Apr 29, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is actually quite tough.
I don’t understand why Houston fans think that Przybilla is a flopper/and/ or weak. And please, how many moving picks has Yao gotten away with this series?
Regardless, Oden has been called for ticky-tack fouls all season long. He has started to play Yao a little more agressively, but a lot of the calls on him have not been called on Yao when he does the same thing. But enough bitching about the reffing. I think that last night both teams got called pretty evenly, although there were some bad calls on both ends too.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Apr 29, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BULL SHIT
Yao has NEVER done the same thing to Oden. Remember the time Yao ran out and pushed Roy out of bounds and wasn’t called for a fou…….. oh thats right, he was called for a foul.
ODEN HAS NO SHOT, NO MOVES, NOTHING. Why would Yao hang all over him when he can stand there and just box him out. If Oden can’t dunk it, he isn’t scoring.
Damn some blazers fans are so blinded by fandom to see the fact that Yao is a million times better than both of your big men on offense.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did twiggs say Oden was better than Yao, or even close to it?
What she said was that Oden doesn’t get away with as much stuff, foul wise, as Yao does. That is not a comment at all about skill or ability, only about the way the referees perceive them and call their games.
Yao hip checked guys (think Outlaw at the rim after the steal) two or three times last night and didn’t get called for it. Those are EXACTLY the kind of calls Oden has been getting against him all season.
Oden has to earn his stripes. Yao apparently already has. That was twiggs point, and I think it is pretty hard to argue with at this point.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Apr 29, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Oden get?
Asside from game 2, too tight reffing, what does Oden get called for?
Running to the baseline and forcing brooks out of bounds? Got news for you, Yao was called for that twice that I can remember.
I think last night Oden got just about every foul completely abusing Yao. What I find funny is they limit how often they call him for a foul because after he gets one he has about 1 trip to commit a foul before they call him again.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you are so delusional.
OK. Oden has been called for more fouls than Yao the entire series. Joel has been called for more fouls than Yao in the entire series. By your logic, since we have two centers to your one, shouldn’t our fouls be spread out more and Yao would foul out since no one is there to back him up?
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Apr 29, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are stupid
Yao = Good Offense
Oden/Pryz = Bad Offense
Yao does not guard your big men, just box them out.
Your big men maul Yao any time he touches the ball, aka Oden.
Play Yao the way he plays your guys and they won’t get fouls, of course Yao will then score 30 but you won’t get called for the fouls.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
Obviously, you are a genius and Yao Ming is God.
That’s cool..
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Apr 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but understand Oden still sucks
He is young, makes stupid fouls.
Yao rarely makes the same stupid fouls but he still does and is called for it. Last night he ran Roy out of bounds on the base line, he was called for a foul. Oden has done the same thing.
Now I promise you Yao would get called for the same stuff Oden does, but he doesn’t do it.
Yao does not hang on Oden’s arm preventing him from touching the ball. Yao does not start trying to block out Oden on the 3point line. Why, cause Oden can’t do anything with the ball.
If Yao was a god, he would catch lobs over the fronting man.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really? he never hooked oden's hand? he never bumped travis outlaw out of bounds? he never smashed across odens elbow/arm while oden went up? he never jumped into contact vs a driving roy?
you sir, are the idiot.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
there is too much more to pick apart with what you said that it is mindboggling
i just figure that the rest of houston has to have more wits about them
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no whats mindboggling is
why you people won’t stop complaining that Oden doesn’t get the same calls Yao does.
If you guys want to keep thinking Oden is better than Durant, by all means go ahead. But seriously don’t even try compare how much respect Oden commands in the league against how much Yao does. It took Yao about 5 years go start getting more calls his way, so just sit back and wait.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say it but Hardgay's right on that:
Year after year Yao got hosed by officials, especially in the playoffs. He’s earned his veteran calls. As a Blazer fan, I just hope one day Oden will earn them too.
And I think he will, but not this year and not next year.
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what its worth
I do believe Oden tries really hard to make the right plays, and eventually it will pay off, but the league needs to stop changing how games are officiated every year. It seems like in the past few years they’ve been scrutinizing big men (like Oden, Shaq, Yao.. etc) way too much, compared to smaller and more athletic centers like Dhoward.
Oh well hope the officials will use this series as some kind of case study for big men.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a fact.
id love for it to go back to the 80s early 90s style of allowed contact. basketball isn’t a no contact sport. that said, it would definitely benefit your team (although brooks would never score again).
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not saying yao doesn't get hosed.
texasag is saying yao does no wrong (literally—just read his post). I’m pointing out several examples that are burned into my head of no-calls that yao benefited on.
No doubt he gets called differently, hacked from time to time (especially when he establishes early position). Just saying he has gotten the benefit a few times too.
And to the houston fans that say they’d be more than happy if it were called both ways-i’m not so sure. yao in foul trouble would have me drooling-even with oden/przy fouled out.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Learn to read
If you read anything I said, you would see I NEVER SAID YAO DOESN"T COMMIT FOULS.
You even point out a play where he ran Roy out of bounds which I also noted. What you didn’t say is that he was called for the foul on it. Oden has done that same exact thing to brooks several times this series.
My point was that Yao does not play D on Oden anywhere near the way Oden plays D on Yao. Why, cause Oden sucks on offense and there is no need.
What this translates to is less foul calling on Yao. ALSO, Yao rarely runs out of the paint to go attack someone dribbling the ball, why? Cause he used to get called for that ALL THE FUCKING TIME and foul out like a chinese jackass.
Now he waits in the paint. He stands up and down and does his best to jump up and down. If you make contact in the air, you don’t move left/right/forwards/backwards, it is not a foul.
You seem to think Oden is some god on offense and defense. When guards drive he runs and meets them in the air. Why? He could stand still and just wait for them to hit him where he could then block it.
Yao has learned from the best, Mutumbo, Ewing, Olajuwon, etc. Oden…..was injured.
Watch Oden tonight. Make note of when he starts to shove Yao. When they rotate the ball, watch how he grabs Yao’s arm and uses it to position Yao behind him. Then watch Yao on Oden, he stands in the paint, uses his hips to box Oden out, and thats about it.
Calling it both ways is not a problem, since Yao RARELY ever fouls out anymore. He is smarter now. However, when he gets in foul trouble, guards score in the paint like its practice.
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i did read
and i quote
Now I promise you Yao would get called for the same stuff Oden does, but he doesn’t do it.
Yao does not hang on Oden’s arm preventing him from touching the ball. Yao does not start trying to block out Oden on the 3point line. Why, cause Oden can’t do anything with the ball.
he swings his hips into defenders (like outlaw, remember?). he sets illegal picks. he..oh wait your right, he doesn’t hang on odens arm preventing him from touching the ball. he hangs on odens arm to FAKE a foul. And he hangs onto oden’s arms to prevent him from putting up a shot.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 30, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Yao does not play Oden like Oden play’s Yao.
The stupid shit Oden does gets him calls just like the stupid shit Yao does. The difference is Yao does less of it. And shut the hell up about the hip on outlaw, is that the only thing Yao did?
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
u really can't read. i'll leave it at that.
And shut the hell up about the hip on outlaw, is that the only thing Yao did?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 30, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also agree with you about the 'respect'.
i’ve said that time and time again.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh well my comment was aimed at
the people who think Oden is all first team material. I just don’t think that overall Yao is “getting away” with calls. Here’s the leagues best offensive center, and he friggin’ averages 5.7 free throw attempts a game. Then you have DHoward whos closest semblance to a post move is that running hook, and he gets around 11 attempts a game.
The officials are just doing a bad job with make up calls.
Oden getting no respect I do agree with, but id say 80% of his calls are legit.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the people who think Oden is all first team material.
Nobody thinks that.
Oden getting no respect I do agree with, but id say 80% of his calls are legit.
I’d say 80% of statistics are made up on the spot. :)
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure what you meant by made up
What i meant was that most of his calls are really him not having his arms up, or being in position, etc.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant that your statistic is meaningless. Your next post (above this one) is really what you were saying :)
And since it’s just an unsupported opinion, I’ll go ahead and disagree, saying Oden’s getting called for standing in front of Yao as Yao strolls into the lane to set up for his five seconds of interior position.
See how effective comparing unsupported assertions is going to be?
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever man
if you guys really think Oden doesn’t commit half the fouls hes called for… go ahead
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with everything you said. texasag makes it sound like yaos shit dont stink though.
thats what i was getting at. i think yao gets hurt more then he gets helped by the refs, but you can’t say he doesn’t get away with ANYTHING!
true on everthing you said hardgay. we agree more than you think.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 30, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yao is not perfect
I in no way say Yao is perfect. Some of the stuff you guys claim are fouls are techincally allowed. Going straight up and down. If Oden made a similar move and got called for it, then its a terrible call.
Oden has repeatedly in this series made bonehead plays that Yao does not. Maybe Yao is to lazy, but I would say its cause he has experience.
To date he has never done a single thing productive on defense outside of the paint, so you know what? He stays in the paint. Oden will learn that if you guys send him to Houston this summer to train with the best, the original, the dream shake.
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, lets see how much of a homer you are.
remember when przy got called for a technical after he fouled yao. do you think he deserved a technical?
i wont even get into the ticky tack bullshit calls when yao runs down the court INTO oden and oden gets called for a foul (when it should be a no-call).
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Oden does do stupid stuff. I never said he doesn’t. I also have said repeatedly that I’d LOVE Oden to train with Hakeem.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 30, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's also Oden's first season.
I’m pretty sure his offense will come along. And Joel has never been an offensive threat. So, like douglast said, I never stated that our big men are better scorers.
Is Yao such a little girl that he can’t handle a couple men fighting for position? He does have a whole 40+ pounds and 6 inches on our big men, I would hope that he could take it.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Apr 29, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weight a non issue
They are all BIG.
You have 2, we have 1, now.
Its not the positioning, its the clawing and hanging on to his upper body. If you go back and watch any play where Oden is covering Yao, you will see Oden grab his arm to get Yao in the position he wants and pull/push Yao’s arms all night long.
That same defense on any of your players would be a foul immediately. Face it, they call the game different for Yao than Roy.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT FOULS THEY COMMIT. I am talking about fouls committed on them.
Yao should probably be averaging about 20 trips to the line every game if calls were fair regardless of size, since I don’t remember a size rule in the rule book.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is true. they call defenders of yao for fouls. not roy.
how many fouls to battier/artest have on them all series again?
now how about oden/przy?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does Roy have scars and scabs all over his arms?
go if if he does. then we’ll talk.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
please pull up the number.
i’m not saying roy gets fouled more than yao-i’m saying that he doesn’t get calls either. pull up the numbers please.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Roy
In the playoffs so far Roy has more free throw attempts per game than Kobe, Dirk, Tony Parker, Paul Pierce, Dwade, etc.
He has upped his free throw attempts per game by 1.5 in the playoffs. I’d say he’s getting his calls.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are very simple explanations for that. Roy is....
a better penetrator than Kobe
moves much faster than Dirk
a better outside shooter than Tony Parker
all around better than Paul Pierce
a better penetrator than Wade (goes left and right)
etc…
The only player who should be getting more fouls is LBJ
by NeoSabonis on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“a better penetrator than Kobe”
“a better penetrator than Wade”
I can’t take you seriously when you make outlandish statements like this.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on Apr 30, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if...
he’s a better outside shooter than Parker (which he is) wouldn’t that make a case for Parker to get more fouls because he makes his living around the rim?
And yet he doesn’t. Thus, B-Roy is getting all the calls he needs. Just because he yells out like Carlos Boozer everytime he goes the hole doesn’t mean he’s getting a foul call.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on Apr 30, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yes it would.
hardgay: can you look it up per game though. I know one game he got like 17 ft. i want to know what he got in game 1, 3, 4.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 30, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrible Comparison
That is just retarded. I mean, do you even understand the way the Blazers run the offense for Roy.
They set a pick on whoever is guarding him, Battier/Artest. He then has an open look to shoot or drive. If he drives, which he loves to do, another Rocket must commit. The player that commit almost always picks up a foul.
Also, you are talking about the best defender in the league, Battier, and another one of the best, Artest. Does Battier ever foul Roy when he is shooting? No. He amazingly holds his hand about 1 inch from Roy’s face. I wish to god oden/przy would put there hand in Yao’s face and nothing more.
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing
He can easily take it if you don’t claw him and play him like the rule book says, ie. game 1.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In game one they didn't front him (nearly as often)
Which apparently is giving the Rockets big problems, since Yao rarely catches the ball in motion to the basket (a la a mobile center like Howard) but needs it with his back to the basket preferably around the left of the key. And your point guards don’t trust themselves enough to put the ball at the exact right spot for Yao to get it between a big center and Aldridge behind him. And putting an arm in the back of a player is allowed in that area of the floor. Foul calls from incidental contact and bumps like they happen when two players fight for position were reduced with the rule changes in 2002.
by Norsktroll on Apr 29, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An arm
Not 2 elbows in your back, especially over and over while leaning in obviously moving Yao cause you can see him get pushed forward. Also most of the calls on Oden are cause he grabs Yao’s arm with both of his and wraps it up. That is a foul. If you check the rule books, holding someones arm back is called a foul.
Also, fight for position? Oden and pryzbilla on several occasions have run out on Yao at the 3point line and just shoulder charged him…..why? They get called for it obviously, that isn’t fighting for position, that is just getting an extra shove for the hell of it.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selective viewing
I have seen Yao do the exact same thing, putting Oden’s arm under his and then spinning him around. Very obviously in game 1. He was also seen being pushed over the floor by Yao, it looked like skating on ice since he didn’t move his feet but was still called for a foul.
Obviously we won’t convince you, and you won’t convince us. We might be able to agree that officiating in the NBA is inconsistent, but that is about all.
by Norsktroll on Apr 29, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next game
Next game keep a running tally of the times Yao pushes Oden.
I will keep a running tally of the times Oden pushes Yao.
Lets say 10% of those deserve to be fouls. I bet I know who is the one who deserves to foul out.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget pushing
Yao is smart enough to rarely push with his arms.
Watch his body. He hip checks like crazy. He would be one hell of a hoola hooper, that’s for sure.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing this.
But I don’t see it. I look too.
I need an autotext that says:
“We have absolutely no fear of what would happen if every foul on Yao was called, and every foul Yao committed was called.”
Because we don’t. We would welcome it.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NBA Records would be made
For most free throws attempted and most free throws made.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you see that silly shoulder that Yao threw at Outlaw
… on Outlaw’s steal/break? No call? Yao gets lots of breaks.
but I don’t think that any blazer fans are saying that Yao is not better than our guys on offense. that’s silly.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on Apr 29, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have a fucking picture of it posted by dave at blazers edge.
never say never.
..unless its about when to say never.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean like yao? is that you're example of a man? have you seen his screens? he moves his hips more than shakira.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh cmon'
you’ve repeated that point several times already. If it really were THAT obvious I’m sure some nonpartial bystander on some blog would have pointed that out already.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd love for brandonmitchell or whatever his name is to pull up the youtube tape for you
i’m not that good at that so i’ll leave it to someone else.
which blog are you going to find this non-partial bystander on by the way? I think Dave on our blog calls it about as fair as he can.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man what a disappointing game
I’m very disappointed in the Rockets. The intensity wasn’t there. The Blazers, however, were very resilient despite having some slow stretches that allowed the Rockets to come back in the 2nd half. The Rockets had plenty of chances to take control of this game. They decided to play sloppy instead.
To quote you guys, Luis Scola is a bad ass! Too bad foul trouble kept him out of the game.
Artest looked tired. Did you see the fast break where he decided to do a wierd two handed layup instead of a dunk? Is something wrong with Artest or am I reading too much into that? He just looked really sluggish. Same with Yao. He looked tired as well.
Landry. WTF? Brooks, WTF?
What happened to Lowry? Throughout the series he has been taking it into the paint and drawing fouls. Tonight it didn’t seem like that happened at all. Did Adleman change the game plan there?
Does LaMarcus Aldridge ever miss a jumper? Everytime he shoots I cringe because I know it’s going to go in. The guy’s stepped his game up since the game 1 no-show.
Enough with the fronting. Yao needs to move around or do something. It looks like he doesn’t want the ball. He simply sits there with his arm stretched up like somebody is really going to try and throw an over the top lob pass over Oden/Przbilla. GET.OPEN. YAO. Either box them out or move around!!!!
Refs were good this game. Any foul discrepancy was because of all the stupid fouls committed by the Rockets. Landry pushing people out of bounds. Same thing with Yao against Brandon Roy. Absolutely foolish.
The Blazers will NOT win in Toyota Center. The Rockets are a good home team, just like the Blazers. Like most here, I predicted a Rockets-in-6 series. I still stand by that.
by erod on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was very apparent that Yao was not going to pick up a lot of fouls
in this game. That was a clear blocking foul on him when Travis stole the ball and drove the lane for an attempted lay-up. Other than Yao being treated like a king, the officiating was pretty good.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
by lrh86 on Apr 29, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden and pryz too
It is clear that if Yao is treated like a king, then your big men are spoiled Princes. Why? Because they have the easiest time blocking Yao, just grab hold of one arm and wrap it up in a vice grip. That way he can’t really move around and will get tired.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop acting like Yao's such a victim
Your argument is getting old. Maybe Yao should try moving around.
Either that, or tell Artest and Battier to stop grabbing and clawing Roy away from the ball.
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by iDea on Apr 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
They are not grabbing and clawing Roy. He is in constant motion, they are just trying to keep up. Yao stands there and tries to just move a few feet. He is not looking to spring across the court. When Yao moves in front of oden, Oden grabs his arm and pulls it behind him. Watch the replay. Half of his calls were for that stuff.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like you've come up with anything original lately.
And it’s a good argument for us. Yao gets destroyed in the post, whether you can see it or not.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't be serious.
The Dream Shake
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You actually deny it?
How the hell can you deny the fact your guys wrap Yao up every time he moves? Since when was two arms in the back a legal blocking method? Your big men can’t contend with Yao and are forced to foul him, sometimes getting caught, Oden, and sometimes not, gorilla.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't even listen to lrh86
the guy knows so little about basketball its impossible to even debate with him.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could've been worse....
The way we played last night was absolutely atrocious all around (save Scola, but he still even got in foul trouble). Nothing went right for us. We only lost ( i know, a loss is a loss) by 11 pts, 5 of those points coming with Artest not letting Roy run the clock out and Cook taking shots like they were going out of style.
I think Portland basically played about as well as they could and they only looked “dominant” when Adelman took that 15-0 catnap. Yao didn’t even ATTEMPT a shot in the first qtr, our team looked sluggish, and we still managed to keep the game within reach the entire time.
Hopefully this was a wake-up call for the Rockets and they’ll go home and execute an actual gameplan. If we hope to have a chance against the LA Kobes, we better not have any more performances like this.
by TexanTerp on Apr 29, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really nice recap. First rate analysis.
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Apr 29, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The 4th wasn't about Houston
It was about my Blazers showing up and playing their game for the first time all series….

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by skywaker9 on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
So if we made 50% during the fourth and no turnovers, wasn’t your amazing D that caused those turnovers, we wouldn’t have won?
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you even saying?
Take a deep breath, formulate your thoughts a little better, and repost.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Apr 29, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok
I am saying, had we shot 50% during the 4th and made zero turnover, we would have won.
He is acting like the blazers stepped up to play when we stepped down. There was no extra pressure, we sucked. Your defense had nothing to do with it, we made retarded plays, let crazypills handle the ball, and were afraid to shoot. Why, who knows?
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had nothing to do with the Blazers defense?
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by iDea on Apr 29, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really. You don't play defense on anyone but Yao.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x number of blocked shots would say otherwise.
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So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on Apr 29, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the 4th
The arguement is about what happened the last stretch in the fourth. When Houston looked like a college team getting schooled by the Globetrotters.
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh, the Josh Smith Corollary
Blocked shots as a measure of good defense?
Yeah… thanks for leaving men wide open to gamble on blocked shots.
It’s much appreciated.
by grungedave on Apr 30, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention blocking the ball repeatedly out of bounds
So that my team still retains possession
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by UofTOrange on Apr 30, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, you aren't reading peoples comments well enough
What he said was
The 4th wasn’t about Houston. It was about my Blazers showing up and playing their game for the first time all series….
He said nothing about defense.
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by twiggs on Apr 29, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you didn't nothing amazing
We shot for shit. Your team only had to make like 2 baskets to win in the fourth, that is just being there.
We sucked so bad you could have played your entire bench and destroyed our fouth quarter team.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the first game where the Blazers showed up with more than just Roy
Before that, we were the team that didn’t execute. The series feels very winnable for both.
by Norsktroll on Apr 29, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you do better
If that is the team you think can win in game 6, you will lose by 20.
I saw your team play better every game this series but last one. It was more of a game of which team sucks less. Both teams allowed huge runs and shot terribly streaky.
I would hope for a better Blazers if I was you, me, I hope that same blazers shows up.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We played nowhere near as well as we can
But throwing up a 15-0 run was in character for what this team did all year. They have always played best with their backs against the wall….
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by skywaker9 on Apr 29, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about our run
In this game both teams through up 10-15 point runs a couple times. Not really cause of amazing D but just TERRIBLE shooting.
Sadly your run was the last in the game which is why you won.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, from now on I’m not missing the Rockets’ games. So get it together, guys.
By the way, Parker behind Harris? Really? Billups is pushing it already, and I could argue whether he should be second in the league. I think most people haven’t watched Parker play much this season.
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by LatinD on Apr 29, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wasn't really in order...
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by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, gotcha.
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by LatinD on Apr 29, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seemed to be in order, because CP was first and Deron second. Sorry.
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by LatinD on Apr 29, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because those are so clear cut
Parker is 3 in my book
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by UofTOrange on Apr 29, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Parker.
I tried to make the argument to some of the Blazers guys that I would rather have Parker on my team today than Roy due to the fact that he has proven he is an effective playoff entity. Not suprisingly they didn’t want to hear any of that talk.
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Battier foul
on the Battier foul when he was fighting through the pick, he cleverly had a hold of Roy’s wrist. A great sneaky vet move, but he got caught. Also, Roy was 9/20.
The Rockets are an interesting team, when Brooks and Artest are on fire, ya’ll can beat anybody, but they are kinda erratic. We’ve got that in Travis Outlaw, but he hasn’t been much this series.
It’s been fun so far, see ya’ll in Houston.
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by HurraKane212 on Apr 29, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Had pryz not moved, Battier wouldn’t have been able to grab his arm. The moving screen allowed him to reach Roy’s arm. So then it comes down to which foul you want to call, clearly the screen wasn’t as impressive as the hold which came second.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
moving screens
have not been called the entire series. Yao, Pryz, and Oden have all been guilty at setting moving picks repeatedly and without end.
The refs have decided they aren’t going to call them. both teams pretty much know that by now.
the refs have generally also allowed holds such as Battier’s to go uncalled on both teams for most of the series. that one they didn’t
How did you guys win that?
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by douglast on Apr 29, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last night
They called a moving screen yesterday earlier in the game.
I am also assuming by a moving screen you are talking about when they block the guy then move to the post while they should be standing still. That is never called.
However, when you set the screen, then move backwards still blocking out everyone, that is illegal. Pryz may have been falling backwards, but it was still an illegal screen clear as day.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, he was set until Battier plowed into him.
Pick your battles, because this one is a loser.
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by everett on Apr 29, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a foul
Running into a screen is not a foul. But when the guy setting the screen continues contact while blocking out you man, Roy, for several feet, that is illegal.
Intentional or not, it is a foul. Its just like when I guy falls down, has another player trip over him, and is called for a foul. Unintentional movement is still a foul.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing
You do realize the contact with the vanilla gorilla was not what was called for a foul.
It was when battier grabbed roy on the arm because he couldn’t get around the moving block set by pryz.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please stop.
Yes, I know that it was Roy that was fouled.
What I am saying is that if someone sets a pick, and then another player pushes them, causing them to move, it is not a moving screen.
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by everett on Apr 29, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pryz wasn't moving as a result of Battier.
Battier tried to go off of Pryz’s hip to follow Roy, and Pryz kept moving to his left to cut Battier off. It’s a smart, veteran play on Joel’s part, but it is also against the rules.
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by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im gonna have to disagree with you here.
This is a link to the video, You can even watch it in HD.
At 17 seconds in, you can see Shane hit Joel waist high with his shoulder; Joel is clearly set before the contact, and Shane’s form is one that can only be attained doing blocking drills on a football field: he hits low, and drives through.
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by everett on Apr 29, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that slo mo replay is great
Przy was set when the pick occurrred, and he didn’t move side to side, which is key. Side to side movement such as sticking a hip or leg out is what gets you called for a moving pick. a sight backpedal after absorbing contact is never called, nor should it be.
You can argue Shane’s arm was hooked by Roy (I actually think it may have been Joel who created the arm hook, which then got transferred to Roy), but pretty much everyone in the NBA gets away with that move (looking at you John Stockton) and Shane is veteran enough to know that.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Apr 29, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not saying that shane didn't hold roy.
just pointing out that joel didn’t exactly get out of the way. he prevented battier from moving anywhere.
or i could use Blazer logic and say “How can Shane Battier push back a mammoth like Przybilla!”
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by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since when
is the guy setting the pick just supposed to get out of the way and let the defender through?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Apr 29, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys know what i meant
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by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sensing retreat, so I won't push you on it...
but I still don’t really know what you meant.
Anyway, you guys have a great site here, I am not trying to flame anyone; I really like the connectivity of the SBNation sites in that we are able to hit each-other up back and forth like this.
Good luck tomorrow, cause the Blazers are gonna bring it.
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by everett on Apr 29, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha retreat as in I really don't feel like talking much more about it, because it's clear that we saw two different things.
appreciate the compliments as well. good luck to y’all.
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by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah but the youtube clip clearly shows one was right and the other was wrong.
not trying to rub it in, but dont be stubborn about it.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not so fast
I saw Battier’s foul, but I also saw Joel’s. You clearly didn’t, and I would like to end it right here.
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by Tom Martin on Apr 30, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where was the foul? i'd love to see it. and i'll be the first to admit i made a mistake.
that clip shows przy come, set up, plant his feet then get trucked into by battier and fall backward.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 30, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch him fall backwards
The direction he fell and speed at which he fell backwards. THAT IS THE FOUL.
Running into a screen is not a foul. That is why you set the screen, so the guy runs into you instead of staying on his man.
Same thing when someone is tripped up and falls down. Then if anyone on the court trips over him, he committed a foul.
Also, what is up with przy, maybe he never flopped on Yao, he is just really really weak if the smaller battier can bully him around like that.
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at it this way
If Battier had purposefully pushed Pryz (a couple of feet) to allow himself to grab Roy is would be a clear foul on Shane.
So in this case Shane intiated the contact with Przy, which caused the movement you are noting, then grabbed Roy.
The only mistake I see here is that Shane probably fouled Przy not Roy
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There wasn't really any pushing involved
The way I see it, the movement was cause more by Roy than by Battier or Przy. Battier hooked his arm around Roy, Roy tried to keep moving, and Przy was just sandwiched between them as they both kept moving in the same direction.
by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know but I was
just trying to show that it was likely foul on Shane regardless by changing from the situation from incidental to intentional
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree
Sorry about the confusion.
by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
np
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Running into does not equal pushing
The only debate was from the guy above. When did Battier grab Roy. Before or after Pryz started moving.
The movement was a clear moving screen by pryz.
The angle I saw showed shane grab him when pryz had moved enough backwards during the illegal screen. If you want to debate that, fine. But to say the collision and movement after is not a foul is ridiculous.
If you go watch the tape you will see at another point in the game they call a moving screen on someone for doing the exact same thing pryz did here.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have looked at it again about 4-5 times
Pryz stopped…established the screen….Battier (like you say) tries to move around (thru) Przy’s hip/chest causing Przy to fall/step back (about a half step) from the contact as Shane grabs Roy with his left hand (his right arm is firmly in Przy’s midsection).
This not a moving screen otherwise all the defensive player would have to do is push the screener til he moved his feet.
If it was called differently at a different time of the game …maybe you argue that call instead.
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't argue with this guy
seriously. its not worth it.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im starting to think he's their version of TIH.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TiH is fun
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The contact forced him to move
The problem is the direction he fell. Had he fallen down, to the left, to the right, straight back, no problem. He happened to stumble backwards exactly enough to set a nice screen protecting Roy from anyone except someone reaching out to grab his arm.
Hitting a screen is no foul. I am not argueing when guys slide over to do a hip check. BOTH teams do that every game all series long. Roy always gets great picks set for him. My problem is this time the way Przy fell makes it a moving screen.
Also, there is a reason small guys don’t set screens. You are supposed to put the guy you block on the floor. Go back to game two and watch Lowry try and put a pick on Oden. He got plowed for a cheap foul which sent Oden to the bench.
Now if you are saying that he grabbed Roy before przy startd moving, thats fine, but to deny the movement is not a foul is just plain ignorant.
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am done with this
I finish with the following. Your guy intitiated the contact on a set pick (and yes this is a foul since you can’t just run over set pick) and then followed this action up with a grab. It is actually 2 fouls
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 30, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its very funny that you guys are calling out blazers for moving screens. Houston, meet Yao.
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So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on Apr 29, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha texasag, you're awesome
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by iDea on Apr 29, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome recap.
I completely agree with what you had to say and I too thought that that Battier call was pretty weak, but I’ll take it.
As for the reffing, I thought last night was the best game that they have done so far. They finally let the big men battle for position like they should be allowed to (yes that includes Yao on the defensive side too) and this game was played tough like playoff basketball should be. I hope that they continue to let play stay like that because it is alot more enjoyable to watch than the whistle being blown on both ends of the court for absurd ticky-tack foul calls.
That being said, good luck on Thursday. I don’t like our odds as much as I like yours but we’ve been close in Houston thus far, maybe we can sneak a win and get out of dodge. Can you guys choke one more year, pleaseeee?
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
by peseme16 on Apr 29, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is a great recap
And sorry that I’m getting testy about subjects that have been beaten down a million times already.
Great game, great series (except for game 1) and I can’t wait to see you guys tomorrow night! (where we hopefully can squeak out a win).
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by twiggs on Apr 29, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yao is tired
You could see it last night, and it will only be worse tomorrow with the 1 day off being a travel day.
Adelman has been playing him too many minutes, he’s been pretty much forced too. That is the biggest thing being overlooked with the absence of Mutombo. 44 min sunday, 36 last night and not a lot of rest in between.
No matter what you think about the officiating, Portland has 2 big strong bodies that are constantly fresh and physical with Yao, and that has clearly been wearing him down. That’s what the playoffs are about.
Look for Portland to win a close game 6, and set up a game 7 in Portland where Houston will basically have no chance. You think the thought of not getting out of the first round isn’t entering everyones mind?
by Cvd2312 on Apr 29, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rockets
want it to much to lose game 6. They’re sick and tired of losing if the first round.
Rockets win and close out the series.
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the worst part is...
they haven’t even been feeding him the ball which almost seems like a complete waste to even keep him in for so long…..
by big jay on Apr 30, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodriguez is not expected to do much dude
His main purpose at this point is to throw alley oops to Rudy Fernandez…I cringe every time he takes the ball because he tends to turn the ball over or make a bad pass or throw up a crappy shot.
I think he and Channing Frye are both gone after this year…
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by skywaker9 on Apr 29, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Opening line for Thursday is Houston +4.5
So basically a tossup….
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by skywaker9 on Apr 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Houston -4.5 of course
Rockets a slight favorite…
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by skywaker9 on Apr 29, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
teams are pretty evenly matched, in my opinion
Although the Blazers have blown some opportunities in this series, and probably should be the ones up 3-2 right now in my mind (as a die-hard Blazer fan, mind you)…these two teams have shown somewhat of a balance against one another…alot of it being youth and fresh legs vs. experience and execution.
The Rockets have been slightly more clutch in the series — I mean, I’ve been pulling my hair out every time Luis Scola goes like 10-for-12 shooting in a game (probably not exactly what it was, just an estimation)…the guy’s been money for Houston. Same can be said for the most part with guys like Landry, Lowry, Battier (my favorite player for Houston), and even Von Wafer.
I think what’ll have to happen for the Rockets to close out this series is, have at least 4-5 guys score in double figures, not just Yao and Scola…and also control the boards, not letting the Blazers pick up their offensive rebounding — limit them to one-and-done possessions. Brooks, Artest and Battier are gonna have to step up and create more open looks for themselves and each other…with some additional production from guys like Landry and Lowry.
The Blazers are also gonna need better production from the bench…I think Rudy will need to have a big game, as well as Travis Outlaw and/or Oden himself. If they can get more dribble penetration into the lane and draw Houston’s defenses away from Greg, he can get open for some easy dunks…and even post him up more than they have been doing, to draw more opportunities for kick-outs to open 3-pt shooters such as Rudy, Blake, TO and B-Roy.
Of course, if the Blazers came back and won both Gms 6 and 7, I’d be flat elated…but I’d just like to see them push it to Gm 7 and make it a great series overall, whether they win or lose. Houston’s a solid team, I love Battier and of course Brooks (I mean, he’s a UO guy, come on! haha).
If the Blazers can make bigtime shots, rebound consistently like they have been all season long, and push tempo…then they have a legit shot at forcing Gm 7.
by drewbustank on Apr 29, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't we ban all these blazer fans. their moronic posts hurt my brain.
Why do we let them post on our site. I made one post questioning their team, and they banned me. Why do we still let them over here. You should go see what their writing about us over there.
by mutombo4life on Apr 29, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We are a higher class sports fan.
It’s kind of hard to explain.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see
This is the BS im talking about. This douchebag won’t even stay on his side. they have posts on their site saying to come over here and talk shit to us. Screw them. I’m glad we won’t have to deal with their stupidity after thursday.
by mutombo4life on Apr 29, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
TrentEdwardsHoF2018 is a huge troll. All he does is come over here and try and start trying. He doesn’t want to have any kind of intelligent conversation about the series he just wants come talk about how awesome the Blazers are (which he’s not even really a fan of, well at least he won’t be once they suck again) and how bad the Rockets team/officiating is.
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say..
“try and start arguments”
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Portland fan and longtime B-Edger
I claim no associateion whatsoever to TrentEdwards. His posts here (and a lot of times there) are indeed generally trollish, immature, and lacking in any depth whatsoever.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Apr 29, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank God.
I doubt his own mother can stand that guy.
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely agreed
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by Zaron5551 on Apr 29, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We certainly don't want him
Maybe he can find a home at Silver Screen and Roll :)
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by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Jazz are always looking for recruits.
There’s always a place at The Jazz Compound.
Houston has absolutely no fear of what would happen if every foul on Yao was called, and every foul Yao committed was called.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know where this is coming from...
We are brothers, are we not? Why would you persecute me in this way? I am a true Blazer maniac, just as you are.
Have I not wept with you when Oden went down in the regular season? Haven’t we both shot our arms up in the air when the Spanish connection connects? Have I not rejoiced with fellow Blazer fans when Bayless put up 23 points in the middle of winter? If these things do not make me a true fan, I ask you this…What does?
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Trent, you make me laugh. I don’t know why everyone is falling over themselves to disown you – this shtick you’ve got going is the best in this thread.
by samuelleejackson on Apr 29, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are not...
And here’s why. Your trolling on other sites and myopic, uninformed, and insanely homeristic comments are the type that reflects poorly on the rest of Blazer fans. When you and others come over here to another blog and throw out this trash, it gives the impression that this may be how ALL Blazer fans behave and/or think. I don’t like that.
As an example, look at grungedave’s post here: http://www.thedreamshake.com/2009/4/26/855423/hey-i-told-you-chuck-hayes-would He wrote “(I’m sure Portland fans will claim it was a flop… but it wasn’t.)” No REASONABLE Portland fan was claiming that at all. None. So why did he feel it necessarry to insert that bit? Because of people like you, who are over here, trolling up the Dream Shake making ridiculous claims like that – maybe you even did call it a flop.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Apr 29, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our bond takes two people to break it.
I will do no such thing.
Onward to Los Angelos!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
you spelled another of the top 15 cities in the world wrong. its los angelEs.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am from Mexican decent...
We often spell it “los”.
Also, Los Angelos isn’t exactly a top 15 city. It’s great but its more like a top 30.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you realize
there ARE cities outside of the United States do you? I don’t see more than 2 or 3 American cities in ANY kind of top cities in the world lists out there.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am from TEXAS
And after we kicked mexicos ass, we call shit like we want.
The Rio Grande is pronounced “Rio Grand”. Battle of San Jacinto is pronounced Battle of “San Ja-sin-toe”
by texasag on Apr 30, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you aren't a sports fan dickhead
You are an admitted bandwagon jumper. You are not a fan.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
TrentEdwardsHoF2018 is a really young guy. You are literally arguing with a kid. Just thought you should know.
When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Van Excellent...
Your help is not needed at this time. Head back to base and “CIRCLE THE WAGONS”!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is pretty much
what I had suspected.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on Apr 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, YOU are called
a bandwagon idiot who probably can’t even name 10 players who previously played for Portland between 2000 and now.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU'RE NOT A FAN
You’re someone who just cheers because that team is winning. That isn’t a fan. It’s a tool.
by chrisjay84 on Apr 29, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Portland fans, a lot
There is a special type of fandom that gets them to the frenzies they get to about there team. I think that’s a good thing.
But being stupid just to be stupid is childish.
And sorry Trent, you don’t get to say “we” after one year. It took 20 for me to say it with the Rockets
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by UofTOrange on Apr 29, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of us as the Green Bay Packers of Pro Basketball :)
(Although I’m not from Portland). As for Trent, I don’t really like to comment on other posters and their motivation, but personally I haven’t yet figured out if he is a smart teenager or a slightly annoying much older guy. I have decided for myself he doesn’t mean evil and wants to get to know the Blazers and NBA basketball better, but that could be wrong. I think he said he was banned at the Buffalo blog for a while, and is looking for new forums.
by Norsktroll on Apr 29, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like he said
Portland has one professional team. The entire state of Oregon only has one professional team. And now they are the only NBA team in the entire PNW.
We have one single team to throw devotion on, and that is the Blazers.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
by TheGreatMon on Apr 29, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, Seattle got screwed.
Houston has absolutely no fear of what would happen if every foul on Yao was called, and every foul Yao committed was called.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks man
most of us aren’t morons, I swear. and you can bet your bottom dollar that whatever testiness has occurred online between BE and DS posters is nothing compared to the flame wars that would be raging in a Denver or LA versus Portland series. I hate those teams and most of their fans. I respect the Rockets and most of their fans.
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 29, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here
You don’t even want to know the horrible things i would be saying to a jazz or lakers fan. Civil would go right out the window
by mutombo4life on Apr 29, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that means a lot coming from the guy known for posting pregnant yao photos.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was sexmutumbo
but i wouldn’t be surprised if they were one and the same
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't that who i replied to?
its who i meant to reply to..
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bandwagon fans are the scum of sports.
I lost all respect for anybody down here in houston that started wearing patriot or celtic gear. Stick with your team. That’s what makes the wins that much sweeter. I am a cowboys fan, but live in houston. You know how much shit i get when i go out to a bar. But its cool because thats what makes sports so fun. the fans can get in on the fun. I’m also an astro fan. (insert groan here). Stick with your team trentedwardshof2018ilovetotouchguys.
by mutombo4life on Apr 29, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Still a cowboys fan?
If you are still a cowboys fan you are not a bandwagoner, since they suck.
You are of course a traitor because Dallas sucks. Not the team, just the city in general. They been sucking off Houston’s teet for too long.
by texasag on Apr 29, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, still a fan
And much happier than being a texan fan. But, let’s leave that one alone. I believe we have a common enemy in portland for now
by mutombo4life on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see...This is what I'm talking about.
I get critisized for jumping on the Blazer bandwagon after finding out how young, talented, and classy their roster of players are.
This guy is a “die hard”, whatever that means, Cowboys fan. It’s basically the Appalo Creed of football franchises. It’s big, it’s showy, it lacks soul, there is nothing to really “root” for on that team.
I’m the bad guy though. If that makes me the bad guy then we need more bad guy sports fans. I jump on banwagons that are worth jumping on.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
stick to the bills.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've also been a cowboy fan for 20 years.
thats when they went 1-15. got good for a little bit. then never really got better than average. but, i always rooted for them. thats what a real fan does.
by mutombo4life on Apr 29, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let me ask you this...
Why be a slave to a team which, over the years, has made itself almost impossible to root for? How many shady players/managment proffesionals can you have on your “team” before you say “Enough is enough. I am not rooting for this product anymore.”
There is nothing “romantic” about loyalty in pro sports. Especially when your loyalty is attached to the lowly Cowboys.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you insane?
I am from Houston. I am a huge Texans fan. I hate the Cowboys and can’t stand them.
Loyalty is about hanging through with your team and believing in them no matter what happens. Sure, you may not choose to watch your team, but you at least believe in them and stay true to them. Hell, I’ve been a Texans fan since our beginning, and we have yet to have a winning season.
You’re a cheap fan hooker, for lack of a better word.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we go a little deeper please?
What benefit does it do you to follow a team that either…
A) Stinks
B) Has a collection of players on it with low characer
How is either fun for you to watch, support, and root for?
Please don’t give me the canned answer that these billion dollar bussinesses have trained you to say. The NBA, NFL, and MLB has trained you people to become sheeple. They can get you to financially support their product when its not worth supporting. Brilliant.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, stop being so cynical just to be the cynic!
Who gives a hoot about the financial bullshit and the front office and whatnot? Since when are we “trained?” Sometimes, you have to forget about the bigger picture, no matter how hard it is to ignore the “stick it to the man” mentality that you wish to endorse. It’s all a bunch of bull, and you know it. Your argument is that I shouldn’t pay money to watch the team that I love…because it benefits someone else? I could care less what their reasons are – they don’t matter at all.
You need to realize that being a fan is all a test. It challenges you. To put it simply, you have no balls. You make sports too easy. You puss out. And there’s no respect in that. There is no challenge in that. You make it too easy. And while a lazy fan such as yourself may say, “Oh, well the point of it is to be easy,” anyone else in their right mind would accept a challenge rather than take the easy road.
And Jesus, you’re the hypocrite of the hour. Trent Edwards HoF2018 – you’re advertising! You’re spreading his name! You’re showing loyalty!
Some people just don’t get it!
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tom, lemme help you out a little.
trent, think of your lakers. did you have any respect for karl malone or gary payton when they signed with the lakers with the sole purpose of leeching off of kobe and shaq, a championship ring to put the finishing touches on their careers?
Isn’t there an * by that if they had won that ring—after all they didn’t really contribute much (and thankfully the gods stopped them from winning).
I respect people like horry who put in the work with their teams and contribute, but would it have any significance if marbury gets a ring with boston this year?
translate that to fandom.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 29, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You bring up some interesting points...
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 30, 2009 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What benefit does it do you to follow a team that either…
A) Stinks
B) Has a collection of players on it with low characer
How is either fun for you to watch, support, and root for?
Other fans will finally recognize you as one of them and not openly disrespect you in public and distance themselves from you in droves. You won’t have to be openly mocked by fellow fans of your team AND fans of your opponents. You won’t have to spend all your free time defending your idiocy on the Internetzorz.
Those aren’t the only reasons, but they’re reasons. And good ones, imo.
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like you are young enough to be picking a team to love.
Fair enough. Pick one, and settle on it. But Portland and LA are kind of mutually exclusive, like
NYY/BOS in baseball.
Also, advice for the future? Know when to quit.
Houston has absolutely no fear of what would happen if every foul on Yao was called, and every foul Yao committed was called.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in his defense
YOU’RE the one bringing the homophobic remarks into this chat. He’s been perfectly civil, if a little abrasive.
by samuelleejackson on Apr 29, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must thank you...
You have been good to me in this thread. This has not gone by unnoticed.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
samuelleejackson
you can expect a bouquet of flowers from Trent, as your actions have not gone by unnoticed.
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by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why I think he is funny
Perhaps I just enjoy a well-crafted internet persona. Perhaps it is because I too am a long-suffering Bills fan, one who jumped on their bandwagon as a child, as I had no home football team to cling to. Boy what a mistake that was.
by samuelleejackson on Apr 29, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you stuck with it. That's admirable.
Houston has absolutely no fear of what would happen if every foul on Yao was called, and every foul Yao committed was called.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....you could be a Raiders fan like myself
since 77. They are baaaad
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Long live Rich Gannon!
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally wiffed on Richie
I was cursing Al for getting another re-tread back up (just finished with Hostetler and Jeff George). Boy was I wrong Gannon and Gruden was a potent combo. That still was a very frustrating periog as well…..Rich getting crushed (literally) by Fat Tony and Ravens, Then the (effin) Tuck Rule game and then finally getting blown out by Tampa and Gruden in the SB….great team but no luck what so ever
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty even handed recap grungedave
If you guys win this series I just want to wish you good luck against the Lakers. I think that the odds are in your favor, but if you lose at home, then the odds are damn even (which means still in your favor because when things have been even in this series we haven’t prevailed, and the home team should have a slight edge, not the case even if there is a game 7 because of the trauma of game 1 IMHO).
"The refs have caused a bird-pig flu pandemic"
by appel82 on Apr 29, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
(sulking in a corner)
….check the by-line….
sniffle
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of, why rid yourself of "BringBackNovak"?
If already answered, my bad…
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
by DreKeem on Apr 29, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
just felt like i needed a change. which basically means that i’m an attention whore.
but i still want novak back. that does not change a bit.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should change it back
We were 3-1 with BBN. I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin.
by chrisjay84 on Apr 29, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will see tomorrow night.
Hey, if we lose, I get my own curse!
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why take the chance?
lol I’m superstitous.
by chrisjay84 on Apr 29, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a really good recap
you even get a +1 and an imaginary tissue.
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Apr 29, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy shnikes
i’m sorry. i should have known it was written by someone thoughtful :-)
"The refs have caused a bird-pig flu pandemic"
by appel82 on Apr 29, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grunge wouldn’t have let the refs off so easily.
by levelhed on Apr 29, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yao....
He has got to be tougher, Yao is 7’6, he towers over all of them, throw thow the ball hight to him, not below his waist. I wanna see more aggressiveness from him to the Basket, put the ball in the hole with AUTHORITY!!!!!!
by kmbrly429 on Apr 29, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
trent edwards hof
there is nothing wrong with being a bandwagon fan in and of itself. However bragging and talking head will be dismissed because you are not invested. Being invested has other perks other than the right to talk a little trash.The payoff is greater. The agony of defeat is what makes victory so sweet. If the bills ever win a SB how great will those long suffering local bills fans feel? And all those years will have been worth it for them. Thats why these folks around here have rooted for the texans even when they were bad, the reason mutobo4life stuck it out through 1-15……..i suggest finding a team who is local or who has great ownership and stick with them, because yes you potentialy will have more lows, but the highs are well worth it.
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
by chikndnnr on Apr 29, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are the highs well worth it?
You are talking about a man who has been beaten and battered by the Buffalo Bills for the past 10 years. I started getting into football just as their “mini dynasty” ended. You feel you have the right to lecture me about “lows and highs”?! Where are my highs man! Where are my high?!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 29, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the beauty. You are owed nothing.
by grungedave on Apr 29, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A thing of beauty is a joy forever.
That’s a generic Keats quote for ya.
Houston has absolutely no fear of what would happen if every foul on Yao was called, and every foul Yao committed was called.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing.
Is that when the Bills do win (I am very high on them btw), you can’t truly celebrate. You can’t share the moment, because you chose to ditch your team in the past.
The Dream Shake
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And like I said...
Where are the Texans’ highs!?! Where are they!?!?!?!?
I still root for my team. And I’ll get to celebrate when we win.
The Dream Shake
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im also a bronco fan, and YES ITS WORTH IT
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
by chikndnnr on Apr 29, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever happened to the "Hayes is the X-factor" idea?
this series has had a lot of Houston x-factors. Brooks early. Scola throughout. Landry in game 4. but, Hayes? not so much.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on Apr 29, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
taking charges only gets you so far
"The refs have caused a bird-pig flu pandemic"
by appel82 on Apr 29, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why you should be worried.
The madness that is Chuck Hayes is yet to be unleashed.
Or not.
Houston has absolutely no fear of what would happen if every foul on Yao was called, and every foul Yao committed was called.
by Xiane on Apr 29, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha!
Trent Edwards HoF 2018 was banned from Buffalo Ramblings!
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Apr 29, 2009 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's just a kick in the balls...
well if he had them.
by chrisjay84 on Apr 29, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 30, 2009 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you keep up the douchebag antics and we'll just ban you instead of asking nicely.
by grungedave on Apr 30, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Game 7 I am out of here anyway...
I will move the the Lakers board.
The education and excitement provided by me has been short lived by design.
Good day to you.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 30, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was JUST permabanned from Buffalo Rumblings about 30 minutes ago.
They have an even more ignorant fanbase than this one. At least here, people respect my NBA knowledge, despite the fact that the truth isn’t always pro Rockets.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 30, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CP3 is the best point guard in the league, thank you.
by CP3isMVP on Apr 29, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
What an addition to this thread.
Because it’s not like he ever led his team to a record tying 58 point loss…oh.
by chrisjay84 on Apr 29, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well to be fair
Byron Scott is a fag. yes that made no sense whatsoever but i felt the need to say it anyways.
by hardgay on Apr 29, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my best friends is from Buffalo
And his go-to line about his city, yeah, the one Trent calls a “top 15 city in the world,” is this:
Buffalo: it’s a shitty place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there.
Nuff said.
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting discussion.
I know I will be labeled an asshole and troll (even though that is not my intention), but, as an outsider, if you read all of these comments as a whole it’s kind of pathetic. There are like 300+ comments on this thread and they are almost all about “fouls/non-calls, who gets calls, phantom calls, etc”. Seriously it comes off as ridiculous. If this is the tone during a Houston/Portland series, it will be astronomical during a LA vs. Portland/Houston series. You know because LA gets ALL the calls…… Allegedly.
The difference I see between Laker fans and other teams fans is this. And yes I know I will take crap about this one, but………….Laker fans think we should still kick your ass despite bad officiating, and other teams fans think they can’t win because of it.
Just my humble opinion. Look forward to conversing during 2nd round.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
by pslakerfan on Apr 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your Lakers are on a different point on arc
Your butting into a series that has 1 team who hadn’t made the 2nd round the last 6 or 7 tries and another who hasn’t even been been in the playoffs for the last 6 years. What we discuss as fans of our teams have no relevance to your situation. And if we were talk like you dudes do…….then you would be the 1st person to point that out
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the reply........
I have no idea what that has to do with my comment, but thanks for the reply anyway. I guess since my team won’t play your team for a few days then your whining about fouls is OK. At least that’s what I think you are saying. By the way, what happened in ’92 and why are you still interested in it?
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
by pslakerfan on Apr 29, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a direct reply to this tidbit
The difference I see between Laker fans and other teams fans is this. And yes I know I will take crap about this one, but………….Laker fans think we should still kick your ass despite bad officiating………
If a Blazer Fan were to say this (or something similar)about our team……..you (or some other Laker fan) would be quick to point out that we were incredibly arrogant to think that way since the Blazers haven’t even made the playoffs for the last 6 years and that the Lakers have 16 (17,27 or who the fuck cares how many) championships and oh yeah ….the Lakers killed the Jail Blazers in 2000 ect ect and so forth.
So basicly I don’t really care if you think it is pathetic …at this point these calls are determining the outcome of this series so that is why we are discussing them. Does that clarify it for you?
PS my screen name doesn’t refer to anything to do with Basketball…..it is just a reminder to myself to appreciate what I currently have …because it wasn’t always the case (92 sucked for me personally)
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Apr 30, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm
Sorry to hear about ’92, I assumed it was a basketball thing.
As for the rest, maybe I should clarify. While I think all teams fans should think their team should win despite bad refereeing, I guess what I meant was that we are hard on our players and always look at a loss as their shortcoming and not the refereeing. I didn’t necessarily mean that we are so great that refereeing is irrelevant. This distinction does seem to be a Laker thing, but I don’t check every blog for every team.
As for the calls determining the series outcome, I think that is a little weak.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
by pslakerfan on Apr 30, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for the record, the part of your comment that I didn't think applied to my comment......
was the part about “butting into a series”. I am an NBA fan and I have an opinion just like you. Just because I am not a fan of either team involved doesn’t mean my opinion is wrong or irrelevant. :-)
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
by pslakerfan on Apr 30, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
^this
The difference I see between Laker fans and other teams fans is this. And yes I know I will take crap about this one, but………….Laker fans think we should still kick your ass despite bad officiating, and other teams fans think they can’t win because of it.
This is the right attitude to take I think.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Screen Name on Apr 30, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
If you are the Lakers
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 30, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by even just next year,
this is how we should feel. And that dude misunderstood you cause you made sense.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Screen Name on Apr 30, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
Ok, I agree at some point we need to think that way….but it is a chicken and egg argument that I haven’t decided where I stand yet. When we start being dominant the refs will fall in line? Orrrr……when the refs fall in line we start being dominant? I don’t know and will watch with great interest
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 30, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're certainly not there right now,
I agree with you 100 percent on that, but eventually we should be so dominate that it wont matter where the refs stand…. I think that’s the idea.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Screen Name on Apr 30, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
besides for all the fuss about refs-there’s no doubt that we think its a factor. but its not the factor. we had two games where we were in a dogfight and uncharacteristic for our track record, blake and outlaw take poor shot attempts that were completely unneccessary. przy threw an unneccessary pass to the bleachers. there are plenty of reasons, but reffing was one of them to be sure*.
*(according to blazers fans)
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 30, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every game we lost, we lost ourselves.
Blaming the refs is kneejerk. Of course completely dismissing the refs is just as foolish as blaming them outright, but why bother FOCUSING on them, when we have perfectly good whipping boy under contract right now. I really like beating on Blake.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Screen Name on Apr 30, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dropping the refs would be great.
i’d let it go if people like texasag could actually admit it when their guy fouls. even after seeing replays in slow motion he thinks oden set some sort of illegal pick on battier when battier plows through him trying to stay with roy (and holds roys arm back in the process). It boggles the mind how you can see things so differently.
That’s why I haven’t dropped it.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Apr 30, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does he really HAVE to see it your way, or quite first?
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Screen Name on May 1, 2009 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy to say when yr team gets all the calls :)
(I’m speaking as a long-time—now ex—Laker fan)
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I did say we get ALL the calls.............allegedly.
And there is no such thing as an ex-Laker fan. You obviously weren’t really one to begin with. :-)
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
by pslakerfan on Apr 29, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I was a Laker fan all through the 80's and early 90's as I was growing up--Dad's from L.A.
But a combination of living in Portland for six years and Kobe Bryant coming into the league cured me of that.
I could never root for Kobe Bryant with a clear conscience. I didn’t want to become a Blazer fan; it just happened.
And damn I’m glad it did.
by Marvin100 on Apr 29, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'll agree to disagree then.
I think the living in Portland probably contributed to the Kobe part, but that is just conjecture. Anyway good luck in game 6. Personally I am rooting for Houston, but only because I think we matchup better.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
by pslakerfan on Apr 30, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest Dissing Barkley Is Hilarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4YlrkkP9SA
Hope his next game is this out of control, lol
by NeoSabonis on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
D.Fisher vs S.Blake
In an effort to point out the blatantly obvious… D.Fisher has literally killed our Rockets this year…
For anyone that thinks he may equal Steve Blake……Theres no comparison.. Fisher is 3 times the PG Blake is – Fisher is MUCH more physical, MUCH better defensively, and a Much better spot up shooter.. he has also given the inexperienced AB fits in every game ths season …
Lowry’s size has alllowed him to do much better against Fisher – and I suspect that Lowry’s minutes will increase substaintly in this series because of this…
GOOOO ROCKETS!!!
by mgfloyd37 on May 1, 2009 2:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No offense...
…but analyzing this series isn’t too smart. The Lakers are going to steamroll the Rockets. Whats the regular season tally at? Lakers 4-0 against Houston? You would best serve your time watching the Denver/Dallas series.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on May 1, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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