In news that should shock no one: Ron Artest wants to stay a Houston Rocket
by grungedave on May 18, 2009 10:02 AM CDT
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PrintCrazy Pills is officially a free agent now. The good news is that RonRon has no intentions of signing elsewhere... and he's said so himself.
"I just know this team was so good, I think we'll grow together," Artest said
Now, with only Detroit, Memphis and maybe a couple other teams having any real salary cap space, the Rockets should be able to find common ground in negotiating a salary. Because I find it highly unlikely that Artest would ever entertain the idea of playing in Detroit (or Memphis).
With the season now over, it's time to build for 2010. And no, I'm not talking about the summer of LeBron, DWade and Bosh... those guys are not going to be Houston Rockets, so I don't particularly care about their plights.
Crazy Pills, however, should be a Rocket. He just fits here. Bring him back, Daryl!
(and Von, too!)
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You're really sure that's "good news" are you?
Crazy Pills is officially a free agent now. The good news is that RonRon has no intentions of signing elsewhere…
I dunno, Ronny baby was instrumental in the Game 6 Portland win and the Game 1 Los Angeles win and struck me as being a fairly huge net negative for the Rockets outside of that.
You’d rather have $10M tied up with him than with one of the other Free Agent options???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
lol I can maybe see that
With the market where it’s at, and Ron seemingly fitting into Houston better than anywhere else, I can see him taking a little less money to stay in Houston. I can’t see any other team dying for Artest. Most of the teams with cap space are too young to contend or don’t have a need (Pistons already have Prince).
Did you miss this?
Had the Rockets extended Artest’s contract with maximum raises, they could offer only $37 million over four years. Artest’s decision to play out the season and become a free agent is an indication he will seek a contract greater than that.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6428551.html
Artest gambled and lost
The economy will dictate otherwise.
Ask Bonzi Wells what happens when you gamble for a big contract and overestimate the market.
You end up
playing pro ball in China with a letter of rec from Yao.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
But there was no way
the Rockets were going to extend a player with a history like Ron’s before he played out an entire season, so I don’t buy that argument.
Regardless, Ron will not get a maximum offer from any team.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
Hmm, maybe we'll sign Kobe or Odom.
Ariza you can keep. Actually I wouldn’t be surprised to see LA make a kind of run at Ron. Would you rather have him or Ariza?
Exactly.
But I think he signs here.
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Actually
That’s debatable. If Artest behaved the same on the Lakers, then of course we’d take him. Practically, LA won’t make a serious run. They have too much money invested in the current roster, they’ll be struggling to get back Lamar and Ariza on the cheap. Ariza can do quite a bit for a lot less money than Artest would likely ask for.
1) I don’t think Artest would get along as well with Kobe as he does the Rockets roster, and chemistry concerns are legit, 2) Ron-Ron is the antithesis of a structured offense. He’s great for a Rockets team with limited create-their-own-shot players, but I can’t imagine him being tied down by the triangle for long.
Also, I think a lot of people here are underestimating what Ariza brings. He was flat out awful in this series, I agree. But for the first few months of the season, he was our 3rd best player. He’s overrated as an individual defender but plays the passing lanes beautifully, and he does a lot of the little hustle things that every great team needs. If you watch him over the long term, he fits his role well. Artest is much better individually, but Ariza does what we need him to.
The only thing keeping Ariza from being a legit starter
is a consistent jumper. He’s a near midlevel guy right now, but if he ever gets that jumper going, he’ll be in the 6-7 million range.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
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He needs to be in the 38%-41% range for 3pters.
His job is to hit wide open 3s and play D, much like Battier. But Battier is roughly 39% from 3 range for his career versus 30% for Ariza. Shane is of course a better defender and almost never gives away silly fouls.
I wouldn’t over pay for the likes of Ariza. He’s had 4 years in the league. What you see is almost certainly what you get at this point.
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To be fair Ariza is very effective on the break, a key part of LA's strategy.
He’s probably more valuable to LA than almost any other team.
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We'll take Battier over Ariza anyday
But that’s not really the issue. Shane’s not a fair comparison, IMO Shane’s elite for his role. How many fairly solid wing defenders are out there on the market for cheap, that could play within the triangle? We suffered through a Finals with Vladimir Radmanovic guarding Pierce, so we’re quite fond of Ariza.
I disagree with the last part, he’ll definitely improve, he’s only 24. His jumper when he first came here was atrocious, something like 23%. He’s improved his form quite a bit, to the point where he can at least hit somewhat consistently if he’s wide-open. I think he’ll continue to improve and surprise people.
He also needs a better role model on defense. He’s learning from Kobe, the master of gambling, but learning how to play individual D from a veteran would make him even better. He’s got all the physical tools, just needs the smarts.
I like his shooting mechanics
I think he’ll at least be a better shooter than Odom a few years down the road. However I think some team will end up overpaying for him eventually.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
Definitely
Teams like to gamble on athletic players, and he’s shown signs of improving his shot. The only thing that might change that is the economy and owners desperate to cut costs.
I'm not convinced he's all that.
But sure, if he could get his 3pt % into the 36-40 range, he’d be very valuable. Players generally have one more “leap” in them at his age, so I suppose it’s possible.
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yeah they always say that
We don’t know how they really feel though. If the right offer comes along they don’t always want to stay put. Know what I’m saying?
daryl!
he’s a genius so im pretty sure he’ll know what to do in order to make the team better. of that i have no doubts…
by mafarafanafa-69 on May 18, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions
it's contract year...
so it doesn’t hurt to be politically correct. that said, ron’s defense and passion reinforced the culture in houston that started with jeff van gundy and shane battier, the reason we got to game 7. however, i thought ron’s shot selection could have been a little bit better. i don’t mind him missing the wide open jumpers but i question the ones where he pulls up off the dribble and takes contested shots while leaning to his left. only kobe can can consistently make shots like that. with yao and tmac coming back next year, ron would serve great as one of our role players. i would welcome him back.
Ron is a perfect 3rd/4th option for scoring.
He can certainly pump out more points than most other teams’ option there.
My ranking of 2009/2010 scoring options:
Yao
Tmac
Brooks(Lowry)/Artest – depending on match up or effectiveness
Scola/Landry
Battier
Writing that bums me out. Just one freaking year with the whole team healthy. Is that too much to ask?
Evidently.
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T-mac?
Tracy won’t be able to play until January most likely… microfracture is a bitch.
and then he’ll get traded in February.
Huh.
I was under the impression that the version he got had a much shorter recovery time. That he would be ready for next season given the area and technique involved. His surgery wasn’t nearly as comprehensive as Amare’s from what I understand.
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and...
You fail to factor in Tracy’s well-known aversion to rehab. The next time he finishes rehab ahead of schedule will be the first.
Fair enough.
The time table is 6-12 months officially. I was hoping late Nov-early Jan. But pessimism is probably warranted
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and
Morey has said that his rehab is going well, and several of the more optimistic doctors are predicting a return in time for october.
I also think
(to reverse myself slightly) that all bets are off considering TMac’s past history this year.
He’s playing for a contract that effectively finishes out his career. He’s going to be going into the most star-studded FA market of all time. He’s going to want to have a great season if he possibly can. A repeat of this year gets him a modest 2 year deal with a team option for a 3-4 year at best. A classic “TMac” season, gets him a 5-6 year deal at big money.
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That is true
but a stellar individual year for T-Mac may or may not coincide with a good year for the Rockets.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
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I honestly think
that Tracy is going to be sweetness and light this season and that he will come back early and ready.
He’s very aware of the huge FA class of 2010, and that right now his name doesn’t rate much comment. I think he would like to change that perception. There’s no reason he can’t have a 2nd act like Ray Allan, his jumper is not as good, but his ability to drive is better.
The disgruntled TMac act didn’t work, and if he had us over a barrel this year, the Rockets have him over one this coming season. What happens to his FA chances if his ass in the bench a lot, or at crunch time? I think he’s smart enough to realize that the dynamic has shifted, and not in his favor. To the Rockets he’s a sunk cost, and has been for two years.
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I hope you are right
but I just can’t forget that wide open “reverse” layup he missed against Milwaukee. A savvy veteran like him getting blocked by the rim is like mindboggling. If he can put team first, the Rockets are going to be even better next year.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
I think getting stuffed by the rim
has less to do with whether or not you’re “savvy” and more to do with being a “veteran.”
There are three potential career paths that McGrady could take from here:
1) He sucks from here on out. It would be a tragic end to his career, but them’s the breaks.
2) The surgery is very successful, and he returns with a reasonably healthy knee. Even if the surgery is successful, he probably won’t be as explosive as he once was. But he’d still be able to get to the rim and be a team’s primary offensive threat.
3) The surgery is mostly successful, his knee doesn’t hurt anymore, but he just doesn’t have the jumping ability he had prior to 2008. This is probably the most likely scenario. He’d become even more of a mid-range player, sort of like what Jordan was towards the end of his career and what Kobe’s becoming.
I think everyone makes too much of a couple of plays like that.
I think #3 is the most likely outcome anyway, given that he’s 30 in a couple of days, and has been in the NBA a very long time.
He won’t need all that much elevation for his jumper to be unstoppable because he’s a legit 6’8" SG. Will he go the Jordan/Kobe route? I certainly hope so. His passing ability may be better than either one of those players, so the potential to stay very productive is there, if he’s not shooting 3s and he does the work to get the looks.
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Eh the only veterans I've seen make plays like that
were Jason Terry and David Wesley, both short guys who thought they could dunk.
I think if T-Mac is going to settle into the mid range role, he will have to fix that arc on his shot. He can’t elevate like he used to, so that shot is going to go in less and less.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
I doubt he'll be traded in February
T-Mac, if he times things the way I think he will try to, will come back right around the trade deadline. This, in my opinion, was all pre-meditated.
He’ll come back around that time because no team will want him except teams that he in no way would want to be a part of, like Detroit or New York. So he will stay, and he will play. He will play hard. He has to, as I’ve said over and over.
Why? Because he has to prove his worth to the NBA again. He has to show that he can still play and that he warrants a big paycheck. He has to prove that he can play so he doesn’t ride the pine the rest of his career.
Then next July he’ll be traded. Just what I think any way.
I think he'll be back at the beginning of the season. And I think the Rockets will try to trade him immediately
if he can get back a month prior (which is within his timeline). If not, I don’t know what to think. If you are trading him at the deadline then the team is either 1. Playing terribly or 2. Simply doesn’t need him. I can’t see either of those making much sense. That’s why I think the Rockets try and get him healthy pre-season
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What I'v learned in professional sports
is to not always believe what a free agenst says. Until he actually signs his name on the dotted line saying he’ll remain a Rocket, don’t believe him.
Agreed, bring back Ron and Wafer.
And now I shall root for anyone but the Lakers in these playoffs. I hate them, with a passion!
PS
Heres a special hey, FUCK YOU to Mark Jackson and Jon Bitchass Barry.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
These recent ex players/coaches turned analysts/broacasters are really poor at what they do
They just give opinions as opposed to calling the game.
Commentators?
I Really Miss Bill & The Guy’s During The Play-Offs,These Guys In The National Media Had No Clue Who The Rockets Players Were,And Some Of Them Could Not Even Pronounce Scola’s FIRST Name!
I Heard Him Called Lewis At Least 15 Times Between Round 1 & 2.
by Hurricane_S. on May 18, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
When the Warriors made the playoffs in '07
The TNT guys would say Michael Pietrus as opposed to how it’s pronounced.. Mi-kel Pietrus
They still don't
say Pietrus’ last name properly. It should be pronounced “Pea-A-trus.”
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
I Say Keep Ron.
Artest Is Good With The Rockets,However He Sucked The Last Few Games In The Series Against The Lakers.
He Needed To Roll To The Left More To Make His Shots,And I Never Saw Him Go To The Basket Like He Did In The Regular Season.
All In All I’d Love To See This Team Back Next Year Minus Stacy McLady(T-Mac)And A Better Center.Because YAO-“uch” Ain’t Shit!
that was english
all he was saying..Ron…go to your left..you shoot better HA!
thats money how you capitalized every word
But Not Money How You Hated On Yao
Yao-"uch"
He’s A Good Center,But He Get’s Hacked Every Single Play-Does He Get The Calls? “NO” Why? Because He Wears That Rocket Jersey.Put Him In A Purple & Gold Jersey And He’ll Shoot Free Throws Every Time Down The Court.
He Has Been Injured Every Year,And Our Boys Slow Down The Game When He’s In There.WE NEED A NEW CENTER.
I Say We Trade YAO "uch’ For Bynum-He’s The Perfect Fit For Our Young Team.It Would Be Nice To Have Joey Out There,But He Does Not Understand Adelman’s Offense.So What Do You Purpose?
by Hurricane_S. on May 18, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
kinda hoping he signs with my blazers
if brandon roy played for toronto he'd be brandon waaaaah
If Yao ain't shit....
then why does he have almost every team changing theyre defensive style when they play against him? maybe that’s because HE IS the shit. and we have a whole offseason to further more break down how to get around the fronting defense. BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST CENTER IN THE LEAGUE….and for years to come!!
by kg_2005 on May 18, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think most of us agree with you
Did someone say something different? That kind of came out of nowhere
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Oh I see now
Just use the reply option in the future, it will help it make sense ;-)
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Somestimes I have hit reply
And it shows up as a brand new comment to the post. It’s screwy sometimes.
fronting yao
david stern allowed zone defense to try to prevent shaq from dominating the game. back in the day teams would get called for illegal defense for double teaming players before they could even touch the ball. yao would have benefited from that considering that he can’t elevate over guys to catch the lob.
I think Yao's the best center in the game too
Just the fact that he’s one of the best free throw shooters in the game made me put him there. But, he can do anything the elite centers can do, plus shoot from the outside with consistency. It’s just a shame he’s injury prone. I love watching Yao play.
Rec’d
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on May 18, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yao is the shit.
Bottom line. Now we need a solid backup and possible future replacement for The Wall. All the other pieces should stay in place. I’m really exited for what next year has to offer. You could watch this team comming into it’s own as the season went on. GO ROCKETS!
Question
So ron and Von are FA’s.
I’m guessing we are letting Cook go. What abt James White…is he any good?
I know we have Chuck Landry Scola Joey at PF. We NEED a backup center.
Also we NEED a good SG..Ron and Shane are good as forwards..
what about she-mac..any idea when is he getting back? Are we keeping him…trying to see what he does…questions questions…
Go rockets….We better win next year..Can’t wait any longer..
Cook has a player option (who the hell thought that was a good idea?),
which he will almost certainly exercise, and which will even more certainly be bought out.
A few "answers"
I put it in quotes because they are really just my thoughts, but I feel they are educated
1. Ron is coming back, it makes too much sense not to happen
2. Wafer likely cost himself a contract with his tantrum. Some team will want him, but it will be a bad team. Hopefully Wafer sees through that.
3. Cook will get bought out
4. It’s not listed on Hoops Hype, but I could have sworn the Rockets signed White to a 2 year deal
5. Back up Center is the number 1 need
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You're right
White did sign a multiyear deal with Houston. Does not bode well for Wafer.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
I think it bodes fine with Wafer.
I think he’ll sign a 1 year deal with a 1 year option. I agree with the bad team making an offer part. He may go to get more minutes elsewhere, so he can get a better deal. I see a ton of talent, his elevation on his jumper is simply unbelievable, but he’s got a lot of negatives too.
His best bet I think would be to sign here again, and keep raising his profile. In 2 years he’d be, what?, 27, and basically at his peak, and ready for a big contract. Will he see it that way? Who knows.
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I pray we don't overpay for Wafer.
He is without a doubt an athlete, and the best one on our team, but there are too many holes in his game right now. He is turnover prone when being forced to handle the ball (not to mention palming/carrying it too often), a below average rebounder despite his athleticism, a poor defender, and not a good decision maker.
If we can resign him for about half the midlevel, then all’s good. But if he asks for anything more, I hope Morey will wait it out patiently.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
RON RON
stop putting up bricks from all around the damn court..practice this offseason !!
backup center
chris bosh and amare stoudemare are available in 2010. we’ll have enough money after tmac’s contract expires. they can play alongside yao and can even play center if yao gets injured.
1) Chris Bosh, if he doesn’t get re-signed by Toronto, will be given a max contract by somebody. There’s a chance the Rockets are that team, but I doubt it.
2) Amare will be re-signed by Phoenix. They didn’t trade him this season, and I don’t think it’s likely that they’ll trade him in the coming season. Unless, of course, some team is willing to part with a lot to make a playoff run and get under the cap for 2010. In any case, I don’t think the Rockets are going to be giving out max contracts for power forwards. They need perimeter scoring help, not more threats down low.
3) Amare and Bosh would be intrguing options at PF, but neither are really centers. And, because they start, neither is really a good backup.
I don’t know how Morey plans on addressing the backup center problem. There really aren’t many convincing options in the draft (assuming the Rockets buy their way in this season), and the only center in the draft who anybody’s impressed with is Thabeet. And Hasheem will probably be going at #2 or #3, and I doubt that any of the high lottery teams would be willing to sell their draft picks for cash. Well, maybe the Clips.
It's something to dream on, though.
One pick up for this year that I’d like would be Morris Almond from Utah. If you want an outside shooter, he’s your guy. Languishing in the D league, but he’s a Rice guy, and made noises that he hoped Houston would draft him.
Bosh’s game and Yao’s would actually mesh pretty well I think. It would be a nightmare for the opposition. But we have such a cheap and effective PF combo, I’m not sure it’s that great an idea for breaking the bank.
The guy who interested me also was Nowitski. He’s now said he plans to stay a Maverick his whole career, and I believe him. But the thought of him feeding passes to Yao in the post, and then getting the ball kicked out for his unblockable jumper made me laugh.
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acquiring Nowitzki
would be pretty sweet. Won’t happen unless Dallas totally fails to rebuild around him, though.
Amare would probably not be a good fit for the Rockets
The guy who got chewed out by his own teammates for not even trying to play team defense while looking only for his own shot would probably be a locker room disaster.
But if we through some miracle manage to persuade Bosh to come back to Texas, it would be quite the high/low post combo. We would probably have to trade one of our PFs, but it could be worth it.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
Nor do I
the Rockets pretty obviously go looking for guys who can at least commit themselves to defense. I doubt they’d spend much money on a guy like Amare. It would be interesting, though.
I'd much rather pay about the same money to Bosh.
The Rockets may want to increase their offensive tempo, but nothing like PHX of a few years ago is in the offing I’d expect. Where does that leave Amare’s amazing but somewhat limited skill set? He either signs in PHX, or is a poor 2nd choice for NY (compared to LBJ, and if he and DAntoni can be pals).
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Yea
Bosh’s outside shooting would be killer next to Yao. Imagine Bosh getting all the open looks Scola gets right now…
Luis and Carl coming off the bench as part of the small lineup, wow. Damn I’m hoping the Raptors miss the playoffs again next year, and Morey works his magic.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
Oh yeah, it would be a great fit I think.
Bosh’s skills are a great compliment to Yao’s, particularly defensively. Also, how on earth could you double Yao and front him with Bosh around? How many ally-oop dunks would you put up with?
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I bet Morey has already played 3 full seasons in 2k9
with Bosh and Yao.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
In case you're wondering, Hard Gay is married.
After playing like eight games with bosh and yao
I am officially on board with this idea. We should alert Morey about this with that ideas e-mail the Rockets have.
“Dear Mr. Morey,
We were messing around with NBA 2k9, and we think Chris Bosh would be a totally kickass addition to the Rockets. Make it happen.
Durga’s Love,
The Dream Shake”
Rockets should definitely resign him....
The intangibles he brings to the Rockets is where his value really comes in.
i would like to see......
Dorsey start being throwin into the mix more, because of his injury (pretty much all season), ppl have forgotten about him. although he was dwight howard-esque at memphis. so with not alot of depth at center why not try him out, but i guess we’ll just have to see what daryl does this offseason with the center position.
I was wondering about Dorsey this series
I assumed he was fit for duty since he was taken off of the IR after Yao went out and I would have much rather have had him under the basket than Cook.
Then again, I don’t know much about his injury, so we’ll see.
I also wouldn’t have minded seeing James White in either one of the blowout games, you know, because hell if we were going to play Cook at CENTER, which just about signals the white flag loud as day, just see what he can do in a playoff situation.
Sign Ron for $9-10m...
…and I’ll trade Luke Walton ($4.4m) Sasha Vujacic ($4.5m) and throw in DJ Mbenga (<$1m). That gets you another smart, defensive, good rebounding guy who distributes the ball to your other stars (Yao, T-Mac), a pretty good SG who needs a fresh start (hey, we dumped Von a few years ago and look what he’s done for you), and a solid back-up center. Just have Daryl give me a call.
by Mitch Cup-check on May 18, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
I hope this is a joke post because
that trade is hilariously lopsided.
The Lakers aren’t going to unload Luke Walton when he’s making that kind of money for his limited production. Same goes for Vujacic if he doesn’t start hitting a damn bucket every once in a while – from what I can tell the only consistant thing about him is how he continually gets his own team into the penalty.
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Perhaps you'd be interested in the triumphal return of Brian Cook?
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Anyone else think Ron was injured sometime this series??
I know he is a streaky shooter, but he completely sucked the last 4 games of the series and in Game 7 it looked like he was two steps slow the entire game. Is it just me or does anyone else think he might be slightly injured??
Waiting for the day Houston gets some sports respect
Ron Injured?
Not Sure,All I Know Is He Didn’t Do Squat During Game 7.I Thought For Sure He Would Have Gotten Thrown Out Of The Game Or Something To Make It Interesting.He May Well Of Been Injured.
by Hurricane_S. on May 18, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep Ron
Like all free agents, he and his manager will play coy to get the maximum contract that he can get, but I think he will stay. He has grown on the team, and the team embrace his sometime-kookiness.
He was playing well in the first two games of the L.A. series. Maybe it was his getting ticked off in Game 2 and 3 and the series of technical fouls he collected that got him off-track. I felt after he reined in his aggressiveness in the ensuing games, he was kinda listless in the way he was playing. As he said, maybe trying to think too much and do the correct thing, instead of letting the game flow.
No question about his heart and desire to win. Just a question of his having some bad habits acquired over the years, I just wonder whether he can re-invent his game.
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