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This will be my first off-season with The Dream Shake, so I'm not sure exactly how much you'll see of me.  You may get the occasional long column, or a short quib, or something that really doesn't have much to do with basketball.  It just depends what mood I'm in and how much time I have.  If I've got an impulse to write, I'll write.

End of season reviews: will we do them?  Probably.  I'm not sure how deep we will dive with them, but there will be some end-of-season recap shenanigans up at some point.  Accompanying them will be a host of YouTube videos, because we are lazy.

Check in every day as usual - there may be something, and there may not be.  But don't just leave us alone until October, because that would be unwise.  You might miss something that turned out to be pretty epic.

 

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Here are some possible topics for the group to mull over in the long off season

1) What small changes can make this team better?
2) Can the Rockets get anything of value for or from T-Mac next year?
3) Potential back ups for Yao?
4) Fitness of Yao – losing weight, better conditioning?
5) How to defend fronting defenses for Yao?
6) Ron-Artest next year?
7) Who would we not definitely see next year?
8) Look for a better PG? or keep what we have?
9) Are there any Scola’s to be found in the US or elsewhere?
10) What changes to coaching philosophy would you suggest?

I am sure lists like this can keep us busy for the next month or so?

Kari

by Kari on May 18, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Some of those questions look fun

Hey Tom, don’t resist any notion you have to ‘play’ Morey. I would love to see some threads on nonspecific moves and adjustment we need to make from a GM perspective. Kari’s question one would be fun to play around with. But if theres one thing I learned from ClutchFans, its that questions like 2 and 3 are only asking for people who have no knowledge of salary cap, free agency rules, or have no capability in thinking outside their own Red Rockets colored glasses to put in their two cents. Seriously, you’ll be shocked at how many “if we just move Lowry for Bayless and Outlaw, trade for Kobe with Tmacs expiring and Von, and look how awesome we’ll be!” people there are out there.

by flipasta on May 18, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

two answers

to some of those questions

8) Look for a better PG? or keep what we have?
A) Morey made it redundantly clear after the trade to bring in Lowry that this was a PG tandem he was VERY happy with. Lowry is a PG he coveted since he was drafted, and attempted to move up in the draft to acquire him. Meanwhile, he must think Brooks is starting PG quality, more so than Alston, if he was willing to trade him (yet Orlando felt the opposite, and Alston has helped the Magic get to the CF).

I think Morey realizes the future of the NBA is about small speedy players, due to hand-checking rules, and bad interpretation of blocking fouls. The rule is, if you jump straight up, you won’t be called for a foul if an offensive player contacts you. However, the game is RARELY called this way. The defense in today’s NBA has no chance to do anything to stop a player these days. Also, I forsee the Rockets championing something that has taken over the NFL- a two back system. By going with a combo of a lightning quick speed PG and a fast, but strong PG, Morey has setup the team to be prepared for any future situations.

9) Are there any Scola’s to be found in the US or elsewhere?
A) I’m not really sure how to take it… but it almost sounds derogatory towards international players. Scola is a great player. If Odom leaves the Lakers via FA, I would definately take Scola to replace him. (Don’t think I’m suggesting a trade. I’d still take Odom over Scola any day.)

by tandur on May 19, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ironic that a Lakers fan gets what a lot of Rockets fans seemingly don't.

Yeah, I don’t think Morey and Adelman are going to be handing the PG position to anybody else at this point. They seem pretty committed to developing Lowry and Brooks. I think there’s a good chance Lowry starts over AB next year, but, unless something weird happens (the Nets suddenly get the urge to give away Devin Harris, for instance), those two are going to be Rockets for the next few years.

The rule is, if you jump straight up, you won’t be called for a foul if an offensive player contacts you. However, the game is RARELY called this way.

A misinterpretation of the rules that, sadly, Yao and the Rockets have come in contact with all too many times. That and the way the blocking semi-circle is interpreted, too.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Odom?

Well the thing about Odom to me is that he’s dreadfully inconsistent. He has loads of talent, obviously. Maybe it’s the system in LA, but he rarely seems to enforce his will on any game. He seems to be an ultimate “front runner” player to me. In the LA wins against us, he seemed to get better as LA built a lead. In the losses, he was invisible.

He’s been around 9 years – “promising” no longer applies.

So is he really much better than Scola? Not if you believe the PER stats. Scola rates slightly better, and Scola is a bit younger as well.

Go to the light. Go to the light...

by Xiane on May 19, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

I love Odom, but he drives me nuts. When he’s on the Lakers are super-tough to bear. But when he goes through another one of his invisible stretches, they are mortal.

by illcowboy on May 19, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

They are hard to bear as well ;-)

I can’t get over his inconsistency at all, never have been able to

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by UofTOrange on May 19, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good points. With respect to Scola, what I meant to say (and perhaps was not clear) is to find

players with well-developed skill sets who have not had a chance to showcase their skills in the NBA. It did not hurt that the Rockets were able to get Scola for almost nothing, and he was able to contribute to the team almost immediately upon arrival.

Kari

by Kari on May 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I assume...

We speculate a whole lot and talk about stuff that probably won’t happen on the team. Then we drag that on until draft night. After that, we can either complain or applaud Houston management’s moves or actions on that night. Then eventually we start talking about more stuff until pre-season finally rolls around. And before you know it the new season will begin.

I just hope the off-season is eventful for us. This is my first year off-season on Dream Shake as well, but I think I painted a somewhat accurate picture of what it’ll be like.

by Mejeh on May 18, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

next year line-up

this would be a good line up for the rockets nezt year
pg-mike bibby
sg-t-mac
sf-shane battier
pf-ron artest
c-yao ming
do yall think thats a good line-up are what?if the had room for it.

by rockets #1 fan on May 18, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions  

i'd actually that it wouldn't make us better

bibby is on the downward slope of his career and hes still a good scorer at the 1, but his defense is HORRENDOUS. I would even say that its worse than brooks and DEFINITELY worse than lowry’s. On the flip side, I don’t know if you can even say hes a better spot up shooter than brooks, and he definitely can’t get in the paint like he used to. I would pass on Bibby if I had the opportunity.

by flipasta on May 18, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

he would be better

he would be better because he would have yao in the paint t-mac,ron,and shane 4 help i say would be a playmaker role with the rockets

by rockets #1 fan on May 18, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

really?

I guess he’s still better than brooks and lowry at the penetrate and dish. But I don’t see him as a superior player at this point in his career otherwise. And, to me, his lack of ability on the defensive end would be horrible to watch.

Don’t get me wrong, I know this guy has always been a great player, and one of the best shooting point guards in the game for the past seven or eight years. I just don’t see him being as effective a scorer as Brooks shows he can be, and, let me be clear, his defense is really really bad. Like, Steve Nash bad.

by flipasta on May 19, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna ignore bibby

and focus on the Ron Artest move to PF. Honestly?

Artest vs. Nowitzki?
Artest vs. Duncan?
Artest vs. Gasol/Bynum?
Artest vs. Boozer?
Artest vs. KG?

etc. I think you got caught up a bit too much in the Artest on Odom matchup, and you don’t give Scola enough credit. While he did fumble alot of passes, I’d say alot of them were as much the fault of the passer as they were Scola’s. Atleast he doesn’t have the hands of some Laker big men, like Kwame Brown or Andrew Bynum. (If you’re that big, and you got TWO hands on the ball, guards should not be able to come in and play after play slap the ball out of your grip.)

by tandur on May 19, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

everyone but boozer listed above would be a legitimate concern.

boozer is a joke.

I'll snap yo neck like a twig if you sass me again. . .

by Duhoh on May 19, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why on earth do we need Biddy? I mean Bibby?

Seriously, is better at this point than either Brooks or Lowry? I’d rather find a combo guard who was big to play D on the few gigantic PGs in the league if needed.

There are several PGs I’d consider an upgrade. He’s not one of them. Heck we even saw Adelman put Lowry and Brooks into the same lineup, let’s see Mike Bibby do that! ;)

Go to the light. Go to the light...

by Xiane on May 19, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

beyond that

why on earth would we want more rapidly aging players? There’s been a concerted effort over the last two offseasons to bring in young talent (Brooks, Landry, Lowry), and now we’re actually developing it. Maybe the Rockets should keep doing that instead of cutting into those players’ minutes, unless the older guy is a major upgrade.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

That sounds too sensible.

Let’s get Kidd!

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by Xiane on May 19, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

actually

I think Kidd would be a nice addition, provided the Rockets didn’t pay him too much (of course, that’s true of any player). Though I guess we have Brent Barry, who’s essentially Kidd-lite.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kidd probably would be a good addition

Barry can’t pass the way he can, and Kidd can still run the break.

But someone is going to pay him near elite PG money, I have a feeling. Or at least more than we could.

Go to the light. Go to the light...

by Xiane on May 19, 2009 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very lite, very Barry lite.

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by Xiane on May 19, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, but that's pretty much all I see Kidd being used for on the Rockets, anyways

a few minutes a game where he’s expected to defend reasonably well and hit open shots. Kidd’s capable of more than that, and I think there’s a good chance Cuban overpays him this summer.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well you know,

by Dallas’ proprietary metrics, Kidd is better right now than the prime of Oscar Robertson. Numbers don’t lie man…

Go to the light. Go to the light...

by Xiane on May 19, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I remember Simmons mentioning that in one of his interviews with Morey. Cuban’s so fucking stupid. “My young, talented point guard and two first-round picks for a 34 year-old? HELL YES!!!”

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe a few

give up most of the reserves it might be hard but it can be done

by rockets #1 fan on May 18, 2009 11:28 PM CDT reply actions  

free agent

mike bibby going to be a free agent 09-10 season

by rockets #1 fan on May 18, 2009 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I want absolutely nothing to do with Mike Bibby at this point

3-4 years ago? Of course. But the Rockets are getting enough out of their point right now, and next year it should improve even further. PG at this time is like number 50 on the list of things that need to be done IMO

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by UofTOrange on May 19, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

it would be great

rockets would have 3 good scores and have 2 of the defenders.if they do get bibby a championship would be in there favor next year

by rockets #1 fan on May 18, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions  

What if scenarios!

Let’s talk about those!

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by misterterrific on May 18, 2009 11:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Isn't that pretty much what all offseason talk comes down to?
A: Hey, look at this stupid trade idea I came up with! McGrady’s expiring contract and a conditional second-round pick to Phoenix for Amare! Wouldn’t that be cool?!
B: Yes, it would be very cool. There are many reasons, most of which revolve around Amare being a great player.
C: But Amare is a poor defender.
B: True, but his fantastic offensive ability outweighs that.
A: Make it happen, Daryl Moron lol!!!

There. That should take care of everything from now until July. Switch out names, strengths, weaknesses, and stupid trade ideas as necessary. See y’all in October.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

i meant, from the past season.

What if McGrady did get traded midseason? What if Rafer Alston wasn’t traded? What if McGrady rehabbed properly and got healthy?

Useless shit like that.

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by misterterrific on May 19, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh, okay.

Well, I think the Rafer trade probably allowed the Rockets to get out of the first round, since it’s unlikely that Rafer would have gone off against the Blazers like AB did. He certainly would not have matched up as well against the Lakers. I wonder what the Magic would have done without him.

What if McGrady had been shut down in February 2008, instead of waiting for surgery until the summer? What if the rumored McGrady – Rip Hamilton + Antonio McDyess trade had gone down (quick answer: we probably would not be talking about the offseason right now)?

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I heard we could have gotten Chauncey Billups.

Dunno the legitimacy of that, but it was a big offseason rumor over a year ago. We would have f’d up the Nuggets for sure.

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by misterterrific on May 19, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I mean

their resurgence. stealing their savior.

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by misterterrific on May 19, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually thought of that trade is one of those rare

Win/Win deals you see from time to time. Except for Memphis of course.

Go to the light. Go to the light...

by Xiane on May 19, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

To reuse a comment I made a few weeks ago:
Morey absolutely robbed the Grizzlies. He conned the Magic, but he flat out broke into the FedEx Forum, rummaged through their "young talent" cabinet, and made off with all that he could carry.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right on target.

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by Xiane on May 19, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering...

that fact that Conley has only shown marginal improvements over his rookie year – I’d have to agree with this.

Lowry has a lot of intangibles that I’m sure Morey took into consideration, namely this ability to get the the charity stripe, tenacity on the defensive end and burning desire to WIN.

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by Artest4Prez on May 19, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

im surprised not many have mentioned this...

but i feel like what the rockets should now be focusing on is some kind of depth at the 5 position. Deke has been great over the past few years, but now that he’s done the rockets need another big man. I feel like even if you ignore yao’s injury problems, the 5 position is still the rockets biggest weakness. Yeah AB and Lowry are inexperienced and yeah Luis Landry have been inconsistent this season, but the rockets need another big man to help calm down their offense.

Even though the lakers have Kobe, they have TWO big men who they can give the ball to at any time, with players chilling on the perimeter and slashing to the basket. When someone gets doubled on the block, the ball moves beautifully from side to side and leads to an open jumper, or to someone getting to the basket because of the defensive rotations. We saw this in both game 6 and in game 7 with Scola leading the rockets on the block and Gasol leading the lakers.

Currently the starters have this ability with Yao & Scola, but after that noone has any post game and noone commands attention. And not only that, noone outside of Yao can guard other teams big bodies. I agree the Chuckwagon put up one hell of a fight this series, but he is an offensive liability and by no means can he stop starting centers in this league night in and night out (Game 7).

I feel like at this point the rockets need another veteran big man to back up Yao who can atleast put a body on the bigger players in the league and who can have an offensive presence on the other end as well. I don’t think a rookie will have that affect because it takes most rookie big men a few years to get comfortable against NBA talent.

But those are just some thoughts. I’m happy with this season. The rockets make me proud. It will also be interesting to see how the offense works next year with TMAC if both him and Ron are back. They ball seems to stick in their hands too long. Can’t wait for next year

by jroberts5 on May 19, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Carl Landry

commands respect in the post. Ask Lamar Odom. But still, I agree that we need a decent backup center. I’m pretty sure Zaza Pachulia’s contract is ending in Atlanta after this season. He would be a great addition but I’m pretty sure someone might want to give him at shot at starting somewhere.

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by Artest4Prez on May 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

That hasn't been ignored JR5

We’ve been saying it’s the number one need all season long, even after Deke came onboard. I fully expect it to be addressed first if at all possible.

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by UofTOrange on May 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I've firmly convinced myself that Daryl Morey is going after

Anthony Randolph of Golden State. It’s a pipe dream, but it’s some good stuff

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by UofTOrange on May 19, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

well I just meant in this post...

it seemed as if everyone was focused on our PG play or our PFs when the glaring weakness is in the middle. I’ve seen randolph play a few times, i cant remember if he’s a legit center?

by jroberts5 on May 19, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's skinny, but absolutely

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by UofTOrange on May 20, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

what should happen....

     in my opinion, we should lock up Yao for as long as we can. with that kind of talent that can command a double team almost every possession and he’s got the skill to back it up. it would be a real disappointment if we were to let him walk. with his current injury (which isnt that serious compared to in the past) he will be able to heal correctly b/c i believe it will cut into his China time. which IMO they are to blame for this injury, him working so hard to play for china in the olympics without the right amount of rehab time, so hopefully he skips this years round of int. bball. and years to come.
    and as for PG im happy with who we have, bibby will not be able to score like brooks will as i envision, hes got one of the best 3 pt strokes and when he realizes he can pretty much dribble and blow by alot of defenders he will be almost unstoppable, and lowry is just a straight up PG, ran the offense just as good as anybody can with only a half season to learn the offense, and his shot is coming around.

but agreed overall, a quality backup for Yao is in need.

by kg_2005 on May 19, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

yao is the franchise

so i wouldn’t be too concerned at this point.

we need backups for this guy though. it would be nice to see yao play minutes that range in high-twenties (I wish) to low-thirties (more reasonable).
At least that would ensure Yao’s health for the long term.

I'll snap yo neck like a twig if you sass me again. . .

by Duhoh on May 19, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Rockets aren't going to let Yao walk.

Of course, if the Rockets totally collapse between now and 2011, then he might leave on his own. But Yao has allowed the Rockets to become the third-most valuable franchise in the NBA, purely because of the Chinese marketing opportunities he provides.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a fan post over on Clips Nation about Camby or Kamen being paired with

Baron in a trade with Houston. As long as it’s not EJ please take whoever you want as long as it includes Baron.

Actually, I wouldn’t wish BD on you, maybe he can end up on the Lakers.

by eastie Rich on May 19, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd be fine with this

But then we’d have to trade Baron for someone, so we need to do it quick!

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by UofTOrange on May 19, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

And specifically I want Kamen

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by UofTOrange on May 19, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not Camby?

You can play him as a defender at PF with Yao in, or move him to C for a running lineup. He’s not young, but he doesn’t look old either. Or he didn’t last year, we didn’t see him much this year, so not sure.

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by Xiane on May 19, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

How Quick True Rockets Fans Forget

Are You A Real Deal Die Hard Rockets Fan?
Do Any Of You Remember The Trade That Brought C. Barkley’s Fat @ss Here.
We Gave Up Horry,Cassell, Hell Our Point Go-Geters.
Then We Signed Pippen That Was A Bust, Then Rice With Brings Me To This Point.
Why Does Houston Keep Adding Players Like T-Mac On Our Team When His Output
Isnt Bringing Rings Or A Championship Here.
Yao Just Need To Lose Weight And Have Another Center back Him Up For The Long Haul. Having Artest Here Brought Some Balls To The Rockets.
I Love Scola Hes What You Call A Pitbull That Just Gets It Done On The Court,
Along With Landry And Chuck Hayes Who Plays Like A Monster When Called Upon.
Brooks And Lowery Are Fine And Von Wafer Next Year Will Have His Best Season Yet.
Resign Artest And Drop T-Mac Besides I Didnt Like How T-Mac Played The Rockets Fans And Organization This Year.
At Times He Seemed To Just Give Up Or Showed The Lack Of True Leadership
Thats Why We Had To Ask Motumbo To Come Back Just To Keep The Guys Heads Up And Focused To Some Type Of Leadership.
Why Do We Have Cook, Dorsey ,And They Hardly Ever Use My Man Barry Who Use To
Kill The Rockets When He Was In San Antonio..
Shaq Wouldnt Be A On My Radar But I Would Keep Him In Consideration.
Trade T-Mac For A Draft Pick Or A Couple Of Players.
 Let Another NBA Team Deal With T-Mac
The Dinosaur Because If He Comes Back Next Year Iam Going East.
Why Do You Think Orlando Let Him (T-Mac) Go And Come Here So Easy.
His Jumper Is Good But With No Knees Up Under Him Becomes A Major Set Back For The Rockets Organization.
Just Like Yao’s Hair Lined fractured Foot..It Just Hurt To Watch one Man Hold A Team Down.
If You Are A True Die Hard Rockets Fan You Should Feel The Same Way I Do Unless You Enjoy Shelling Out Your Hard Earned Cash Year After Year Singing The Same Old Tune At This Time. Well Next Year Well Get Em Next Year.
Get The Rockets Starters Some Help Just Like Labron Told Clevland Last Year
“Get Me Some Help And Ill Take This Team To The NBA Promise Land.
Well It Worked Look Where The Clevland Cavs Are Now…
With Us On The Outside Looking In.
The Short End Of The Stick , NO GET YAO AND ARTEST, And Shane Some Fawking Help
Keep Our Team Together But Please And I Do Mean
Let T-Mac Go Because We Are Better Without Him
All That Money And For What To Look Good In Suits During The Playoffs
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Now You Do The Math …….You Know The Probelm….SO LET’s SOLVE IT!!!!!!!
Ill Be Pissed-Off Until Next Year
Thank You Rockets……..For A Wonderful Season…….Screw The Lakers…

by mr.duce11 on May 19, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Do You Know The Deal Or Are We Plain Stupid? Bosh Or Amare pk 1 Or Both

Any One Of These Two Cats Could Come And Help Houston Right Off.
Fawk Bibby And Kidd We Do Not Need To Slow Down We Are Trying To
To Run The Gotdamn Ball Already.
Bosh And Amare Are Impact Players That Show Up Everyday Or Night On Court.
Poor Rebounding Killied The Rockets To This Year.
We Need A Big Man Thats Going To Be A Beast Around Bastketball Rim
We Have All The SG’s & PG’s We Need At This Point
We Need Two More Big Impact Players Like The Two I Suggested Above.
Even If It Means Trading Artest For One Em And T-Mac For The Other.
No Ones Protected When Its Time To Clean House In Houston.
The Probelm With Texas Sports Teams Is That They Will Pass Up Great Local Hometown Talent ,
Like Rashard Lewis, And Vince Young Just To See Them Come Down Here And
Drop The Bomb On The Very Same Idiots Who Didnt Draft Em ( Houston GM’s)
Football And Bastketball…
Baseball Hasnt Been S### In Houston Since Biggio Retired.(
 Blanked By The Chi Sox In The 2005 WS)
Basketball Hasnt Been S### In Houston Since Hakeem Retired.
(Do You Remember The Dream Shake And The Turnaround Shot That Follwed Swish!!! Now That Was Money Baby))
Football Has Never Been S### Since The Days Of Earl Campbell
 (Yeah And Fawk You Bud Adams)
My Beef….. Get Players That Will Make An Impact Not A LimpBack
Im So Sick With These GM’s And Owners That Are Too Cheap And Who Dont Listen.
So Maybe Being Cracked In The @## A Couple Of Times By A Lighting-Bolt Might Help

by mr.duce11 on May 19, 2009 1:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Vince Young sucks.

He was a great college football player but that’s it. He scored horribly low on the Wonderlic Test and has proven that an old man with a scruffy beard is more capable of running the Tenn. offense.

And just to let you know, cussing is allowed on this board.

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by Artest4Prez on May 19, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the suggestion

that somehow the Texans would be better with Vince Young running around the backfield and throwing interceptions is pretty funny.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are still people who think that

Weird.

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by tehGrindCrusher on May 19, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

apparently this dude does

and Clyde Drexler really disappointed me when he invoked the “He just wins games” meme when Young was at a Rockets game this season.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well he does just win games.

College games.

Thanks, I’ll be here all week.

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by Xiane on May 19, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vince Young What????

You Must Be And Open Dick Rider To Have The Balls To Talk Down On My People Player
Know Your Role And Shut The FUCK Up.
A Wonderlic Test Doesnt Mean Shit Unless You Riding Jocks All Season Long.
Im Calling It How It Is Potna And Never Forget That, Meant That, Represent That And
Its What Ever Player.
New York Football Players Cant Even Go Out Anyhere Without Shooting Themselves In The ASS,
So Go Back To Rebuilding The Trade Center Or Something Cuz.
You Dont Want To Feel The Heat Of The Weather Down Here Choir- Boy
The Knicks The Biggest -Busters Thats Why Spike Lee Bailed To Suck Up To L.A.
  1.No Body Watches His Wack Ass Movies Anyway
  2.T.O. A Buffalo Bill…Dont Make Me Laugh…..
  3.The Giants Havent Been So Big Since Their Flop
  4.Who The Hell Are You? Not Important Anyway Run Your Own Backyard Before You Start Bumping Your Dick Suckers Dude.
Its Not My Fault That Your City Goes Into A Panic Everytime A AirPlane Flys Low Over Yall
 

by mr.duce11 on May 19, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Seriously… it took me 10 minutes to figure out why you’re talking about New York. I put that quote in my signature because some idiot was stupid enough to post that on here.

Thanks for the laugh though man. I was born and raised in Texas. I’m a Rockets, Astros and most recently a Texans fan through and through. I’m a huge supporter of UT as well. I watched every minute of every game the year Texas won the Rose Bowl. Like a said. He was a great college player. Not a great NFL player – putting him and Rashard Lewis in the same sentence (truthfully speaking all your posts are one sentence) is hilarious.

"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018

by Artest4Prez on May 19, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Cant Tell

You Either A Fan Or A Bandwagon Jumper
Hey Cuz Its Good To Know Your On My Side Im A Die Hard Houston Fan.
I Was Here When We Made The Record Books For Biggest Comeback
From Behind Oilers vs Bills
I Was Here When Sampson Threw Up That Funny Ass Shot On The Lakers.
I Watched The Astros Lose To The ChiSox In The World Series.
I Was Here When Vince Young Clown Pete Carrol And Reggie Bush’s USC squad In The Rose Bowl.
I Even got A Picture Of Janet Jackson Tit When It Jumped Out In Public At The Superbowl.
I Even Got A Piece Of The Summit/Compact Center Floor Which The Rockets Played
And Won Back 2 Back Championships On.
Houston,San Antonio, Dallas Ive Always Supported And Still Going To Matters
It Being A Win Or A Lost .Texas Is Texas And Houston Will Be My Team.
Unless I Croke During Halftime Or Something.
But I Refuse To Let Or Allow You Or Anybody Talk Down On Us Playing Or Not.

by mr.duce11 on May 19, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you forgot

when Stockon hit that game winning 3 (off an illegal Malone pick) in 97 to send the Jazz to the finals. Believe me. I’m no band wagon jumper.

"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018

by Artest4Prez on May 19, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember That One To....You Must Love Sucker Punching Folks Like Artest

You Would Rub That One In My Face (Some Utah Shit)
Its All Good I Think We Had That Fat Fuck Barkley On The Team Then.
Who Didnt Have No Heart As Well As No Rings To Match.
Now He Sits On Tnt And dogs The Rockets.
What A Buster
Its A Shame I Have To Listen To And Old Drunk Like Barkley
At Least Kenny Smith Sported The Rockets Red Jacket
That Brooks Wore After Gm 6.
Now Thats Real Love For The Team
You Got Over This Round Because im About To Roll Up
So Ill Post You Up Like Hakeem Later
Artest4Prez
Dunk On You Later Gator

by mr.duce11 on May 19, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

lakers fan here

just want to congratulate the houston rockets for a playing a great series (no sarcasm). they bushed the heavily favored lakers to the brink of elimination without their best player, yao ming. the rockets are a tough group. they are very good defensively and i think that’s why they made a series out of this. some pieces are in place. brooks, scola, ming, i dont know if artest will stay….but the rockets are maybe one very good player away from being title contenders…you guys should be very proud of them. lates.

by chaucer on May 19, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Im A Rocket Fan

Chaucer
I Agree With You We Are A Couple Of Pieces Shy Of Being A Title Contender
But We Held Our Ground Even After Being Fucked Around By Crawford.
David Stern Wanted To See Kobe Vs Labron Anyway It Was Memoed
To All The Officials.
We Lost And Thats That
Good Luck Lakers Cause Denver Has Big Bodies To Bump
Up Against You.

by mr.duce11 on May 19, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Have to.....

step in for my boy VY. yeah the first wonderlic test was a low scoring one, and erroneous. after taking it the second time for the official score, his score was pretty high. and before he joined the titans, they had not reached the playoffs for about 4 seasons prior. and in his rookie year, with only a half season to turn things around led them to the playoffs. a loss yes, but a playoff berth nonetheless. and i’ll admit he may have hit a little bit of a wall, but he has not had the 2nd chance to show what he can do with the reins, so any bust talk is premature. he hit the same kind of wall at Texas losing a couple of games, and upon his return, didnt lose again. the talent he showed at UT does not just fade away like that…..just wait.

by kg_2005 on May 19, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

the wonderlic thing is irrelevant

in the end, all that matters is that he can’t throw an accurate pass or read an nfl defense. He didn’t get the sister fuckers to the playoffs – his defense and o-line did. He’s just an awful QB.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't saying

that the Wonderlic test is the perfect measure of a quarterback but there’s obviously some value to it as VY can’t seem to get it done and ain’t because he doesn’t have the physical tools.

"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018

by Artest4Prez on May 19, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly think he's an NFL player, just maybe not at QB.

I mean, someone that big and fast has to be able to play somewhere? WR? SS? TE?

Go to the light. Go to the light...

by Xiane on May 19, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You would think

that he could play TE or somethint at least.

"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018

by Artest4Prez on May 19, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

just what the besf’s need. another tight end.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goalie?

Oh wait, different football.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on May 19, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a perfectly good NFL quarterback

The Titans are just too stupid to let him do what he does. They won’t let him run and have convinced him that he has to be a pocket passer to succeed. That’s idiotic on epic levels. He has to run, or he’s not able to open up the passing.

And you guys better back off my boy ;-)

Oh, and F the Titans and Bud Adams may you rest in hell eventually

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on May 20, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

How was it erroneous?

Because he got a low score? Small wonder he was able to get a better score the second time around. How many players get second chances on the Wonderlic?

Vince Young will never be anything more than a mediocre NFL quarterback. The Tits have/had an all-world defense that compensated for a lot of VY’s shortcomings. Once the BESFs started Vodka, a semi-competent (and that’s all he was) quarterback, they suddenly went from wild-card team to division champ. Why? Because Vince Young is that much of a liability.

He is going through the same thing a lot of highly-rated busts went through. His athletic edge is minimized because of the freakish nature of NFL talent. Suddenly he can’t run himself away from trouble, and with his manky throwing motion and complete inability to comprehend NFL defenses, he can’t throw downfield consistently. Since he’s always been able to overcome these deficiences with his own freakish athletic ability, he’s never had to learn how to work to overcome them. Now that the talent level is around his own, he can’t go to the old fallback anymore.

And he has the emotional maturity of my four-year old. That doesn’t help either.

Great college qb, though. One of the alltime greats.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on May 19, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was erroneous because they asked him the questions in Mongolian.

You must admit that wasn’t fair. Even if he WAS a Mongolian Studies major at UT.

Go to the light. Go to the light...

by Xiane on May 19, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vince Young will never be anything more than a mediocre NFL quarterback

If Young becomes a mediocre NFL QB, it will be something of a minor miracle at this point.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

And because everyone longs to read my idle speculation.

If you were SF, and had, effectively, no QB, why wouldn’t you try to get Vick and Young for (almost) free and run the wildcat (or something like it) with them both back there? I mean, what do you have to lose?

Go to the light. Go to the light...

by Xiane on May 19, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think a good argument could be made

that one of the perpetually horrible teams in the NFL should give a spread-option offense a shot. Young’s probably not the guy to do that with, mostly because he’s an idiot who never really “ran” the system in college (didn’t his tight end call all of the plays?) and he has a massive contract. Pat White would have been interesting, had the Dolphins not grabbed him in the second round like that.

Anyways, adopting the system would hopefully give you something of an advantage when looking for talent, because there’s a large number of “system QB’s” who go undrafted, and there are plenty of speedy, smaller receivers you could spread the field with out there.

Of course, no NFL team is going to ever try something like that because NFL front offices are totally gutless. Well, except for the Raiders. They’re just stupid.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's exactly the type of offense he would excel at

And Vince isn’t the smartest man in the world, but he’s far from an idiot

The NFL is too stupid to let it happen though

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on May 20, 2009 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vick is practically untouchable at this point

No team wants to be the one to take the risk of getting lashed out at

by fiddycent on May 19, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some team will

And I’m 90% sure it’s the Raiders

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by UofTOrange on May 20, 2009 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watching a pro team run a gimmick offense with two reclamation projects at QB

…would be awesome entertainment. Not such good football, though.

Plus, Vince’s contract is about to balloon, so he may be hard to unload.

Lol.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on May 19, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

is Alex Smith really a reclamation project?

I mean, VY has some potential left. Smith is just a total failure.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I would watch that.

And would it really be worse than the offense they’re likely looking at?

Go to the light. Go to the light...

by Xiane on May 19, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

anyone watching the lottery?

Clips, Thunder, and Grizzlies have the top 3 picks. Really, really don’t want Memphis to get Griffin.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

ah

Clips get #1, Memphis #2, Thunder #3. Interesting

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

this might work out for the kings, actually

most of the fans wanted Rubio, and I don’t see Memphis or OKC taking him.

Of course, the Clips might do something stupid…

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

OKC REALLY needs to take Rubio

Move Westbrook to the 2 and you have an incredible team

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on May 20, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who Cares They Will Still Be In The Same position Next Year

Clips,Thunder, And Grizzlies You Might As Well ADD The Knicks And Wizards Too
And They Could Get The Best Draft Picks And Still Be Fucking Busts…
Oh The Timberwolves Are Extra, Extra, Sorry Its Ashame To Have All These Players
And Cant Never Be Able To See The Squad Gell Into A Contender.
The Bobcats Are A Season Or Two From Being Bottom Feeders To Making Folks Believers.
The Big Cactus In Arizona Is Drying Up And Steve Nash Looks Lost Without Any Help Out There.

.

by mr.duce11 on May 19, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not just a one-year thing.

Sure, Memphis will probably suck next year. But wouldn’t a starting five of Conley, Mayo, Gay, Griffin, and Gasol be concerning down the road?

Same goes for the Thunder.

The Clips have so many problems that the addition of Griffin might not mean too much. I hope they do well, if for no other reason than Clippers fans deserve something better than what they typically get. But the Clippers are so organizationally incompetent that I doubt they’ll be able to assemble much over the next few years.

by Only_A_Lad on May 19, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Donald Sterling needs to die first.

"So do you keep open 3pt FG percentage?"
"Yeah, we'd have everything you'd want, Bill."
"I hate you."
Bill Simmons/Daryl Morey Podcast 5/8/09

by Xiane on May 20, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly think Griffin will be a bust

But I hate OU, so I know for a fact that I am biased. He’s not as tall as he’s listed so that is going to be a major issue at the 4

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on May 20, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

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