I do not mean to scare you, but...
This man is all of two games away from being in the NBA Finals:

and, no, I'm not referring to that LeBron guy.
I really am having a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that Rafer Alston is (a) on a playoff team, (b) on a playoff team that is actually doing well, and (c) is a starting PG for a playoff team that is all of 2 games away from reaching the NBA Finals (wherein he will get destroyed by Kobe).
This is all your fault, LeBron.
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Well if the commish keeps sending Joey Crawford to their games...
It probably will not happen.. Howard is 2 Tech’s away from missing a game- thanks to the same Joey Crawford that makes a shit call to every team that isn’t named Lakers or Cavs.
Howard could miss a game 6 if it comes down to it!!!
He was called for pushing Ben Wallace underneath, and upset with the whistle, he said something on his way to the bench that referee Joey Crawford didn’t like and was T’d up. Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy had warned his star to keep his composure because the league automatically suspends a player for one game after he receives his seventh technical foul in the playoffs.
“I didn’t say anything to Joey Crawford,” Howard said. "The response was to the other team. I didn’t say anything to Joey Crawford. I’m not stupid enough to get in his face an
"It's who we are," Battier said. "I don't think we're going to get the love of the six foot blonde bombshell. That's what the Lakers are here for. It's alright, I like our demographic."
by DREAM34 on May 24, 2009 11:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joey Crawford that makes a shit call to every team that isn’t named Lakers or Cavs.
As much as I hate Crawford, he’s never struck me as particularly biased. He just loves to throw technical fouls around. Does the same thing to Kobe when he whines too much (actually, more refs should do that).
Yeah, it was a very poorly officiated game all around.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 25, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, he wasnt in favor of any team tonite
he was just all-around TERRIBLE
I'M DISRESPECTFUL TO DIRT!! CAN YOU SEE THAT I AM SERIOUS?
GET OUT OF MY WAY, ALL OF YOU. THIS IS NO PLACE FOR LOAFERS. JOIN ME OR DIE. CAN YOU DO ANY LESS?
by TitanFan2K on May 25, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree with the Rafer Hate in this website.
Morey himself said Rafer is an underrated NBA player, based on advanced statistics. He has a steady hand and plays excellent team defense. He never makes stupid fouls. He doesn’t get rattled. His teammates love him.
That he got dropped onto a team late in the season and thrived is a testament to his versatility, effort, smarts, and abilities.
I for one am cheering for Skip to win it all.
by stuartallen83 on May 25, 2009 12:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
because he'd jack up horrible shots
and, whenever McGrady and Yao were on the court at once, he’d be the main instigator of the “stand around and watch” offense. And, with the exception of 2007 and the win streak last season, teams rarely had to worry about him on the perimeter.
Rafer is a pretty good defender. But we’ve got a better defender now who has better shot selection in Lowry.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 25, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes this is the truth.
i love raefer, but his shot selection left a lot to be desired.
my only concern w/ him leaving here this year was brooks’ size to defend other PG, but lowry has performed admirably.
I'll snap yo neck like a twig if you sass me again. . .
by Duhoh on May 25, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morey was being nice
There is no other reason that he would trade him for a backup point guard on a terrible team unless he thought said untested backup was better.
Rafer is an acceptable solution, he’s not the one any team really wants if they have options though.
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by UofTOrange on May 25, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree all you want... you're still wrong
The only reason this “website” even exists is because of how much I hate(d) Rafer Alston and why I wanted the Rockets to trade/cut/release/waive him ASAP.
Know your audience good sir.
by grungedave on May 25, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
hitting Eddie House upside the head doesn’t count as a stupid foul. He’s also prone to going all “Brooklyn” on everybody – which is totally stupid. Speaking of acting like an idiot, did anyone see J.R. Smith’s horribly retarded looking celebration after he drained that 3 late in the game last night? Have a little class next time JR…
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by Artest4Prez on May 26, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference
between being excited and happy about making a shot and being a self-righteous, self-indugent asshole. JR was being the latter last night. On a side note, it was hilarious when they slo-moed his celebration to cut to a commercial. He literally looked mentally disabled.
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by Artest4Prez on May 26, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh. I don’t see that as being any different from those “three” signs Bob Sura used to do. Though JR’s celebration looks pretty damn stupid.
by Jeffrey on May 27, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm alright with a player
throwing out the 3 sign every once in a while especially on a big shot, but it seems like the way JR does it is so childish and self righteous. I get the impression that he’s solely interested in the fact that HE made big 3, not the fact that he put his team is good position to win the game.
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by Artest4Prez on May 27, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valid points.
I get it. Trust me, Rafer I was often frustrated by Rafer’s bad habits.
I’m just saying that the guy is, by any objective standards, a good ballplayer. And if SVG and JVG trust the man, so do I.
by stuartallen83 on May 25, 2009 1:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not "good"
He’s acceptable. Meaning he’s about a middle of the road point guard. That’s about 800X better than what Orlando had before, so it is really working out for them.
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by UofTOrange on May 25, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rafer thrives in a team
where he shares the playmaking load with a lot of players, like Hedo. Hedo initiates their pick and roll and look where Rafer positions himself, as far away from the paint as possible so he can be a 3-point threat. He’s not been particularly consistent offensive-wise, even with his lay-ups. At least he’s not proving to be a liability, and he’s able to work within the Orlando system.
The question is: How much will he play when their starting PG Jameer Nelson (?) comes back?
Personally, I’m thrilled when the underdogs show up the favorites, especially teams with much success like LA and Cleveland. Lebron’s supporting cast is not enough and Lebron himself is playing inconsistently in the closing quarters. SVG is simply outcoaching Mike Brown.
Meanwhile Denver is showing their inexperience under big-time pressure, making poor decisions down the stretch. Still the next few games will show whether Kobe will have enough juice left in the tank (is that the right idiom?). If Denver continues to make him work hard, they can still win a game or two.
by RoxBeliever on May 25, 2009 2:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man I sense some serious anymosity/jealousy..
Umm..maybe he’s just a good player? Perhaps we shouldn’t have traded him, especially given the fact that he probably wouldn’t have made the stupid rookie-type mistakes that Brooks and Lowry made. Tired of hearing all the moaning about how awful Rafer Alston is. He’s two games away from the finals and our team is playing golf.
by UHoustonFan on May 25, 2009 5:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Jealousy"?
That’s so far from the truth I don’t even know how to respond.
Anymosity, yes, he personally screwed over the Rockets for multiple years. He is only doing well in Orlando because he is not needed to lead the team or even make a high percentage of shots. Yes, he is helping them, at times he helped the Rockets as well. They have won in spite of him many times this year though. The guy has a 2 cent head and a million dollar ego on the court. He’s not a “good” player, he’s a street baller that can get hot.
Don’t get me wrong, if I’m Orlando I’m ecstatic to have him over what they had without Nelson, but give me a break. There are at least 20 starting point guards I’d take over him, including Brooks. And there are 8-10 backups as well, including Lowry.
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by UofTOrange on May 25, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
Alston =/= “good”. He’s barely mediocre.
And to think that the trade where we acquire Lowry for Alston and save money “shouldn’t” have been made…… that’s ridiculous.
Congrats to Rafer for riding the coattails of D-Ho, Rashard and Turkey-Glue, but please understand that this whole thread/post was sarcastic.
by grungedave on May 25, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
Some people (cough, me and UHoustonFan) like Rafer.
Some people (everyone else) don’t.
He’s a good teammate. Like if anybody disrespects his teammates he is the first person to shove right back. Yes, in order to be thrown onto a team in the middle of the season and be two games away from the Finals, you have to be a very good player. Point guards are in the driver’s seat, and have enormous pressure.
I love the site, and you and I agree on about 93% of the issues. But I have always disagreed with the the Rafer Hate.
One last thing: Rafer came from a life situation that few people have to endure. His Dad sold his favorite MJ basketball card and was otherwise a negative influence on Rafer’s life. He fought through being a poor kid with no shot in New York that no one took seriously bc he was an And 1 legend, and he worked diligently to become one of the most elite PGs in the world (anybody who starts in the NBA is an elite PG in the world, imo).
Go Skip, get the ’Ship!
by stuartallen83 on May 25, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look man
Rafer is solid NBA player. He’s not good, he’s certainly not “very good”. He is what he is. He’s not going to take you to a championship. He can ride along though and do his job for the most part.
And you are right, he did defy a lot of odds to get where he is. And the guy worked VERY hard to be what he is today. No one is taking that away from him.
www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer
by UofTOrange on May 25, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Count me up as another 'non Rafer hater'
I’m not saying the guy was an all-star or anything, I’m just saying he’s not as bad as a lot of fans make him out to be. He continues to start for multiple coaches on multiple playoff teams for a reason, hes pretty good. He actually is a good team defender (the one skill fans under appreciate the most that has the largest affect on whether you help your team win or lose) and he didn’t hurt us on offense as much as people thought. Yea, his shooting skills were mediocre at best, and his shot selection would kill me just like any Rocket’s fan, but I think, at this point, hes a better all around player than a lot of PGs in this league. I think hes a low tier starting level point guard, and I don’t think its a coincidence that there wasn’t a huge drop off between when Nelson went down (a guy who was having a break out year, and can shoot as well as any point in the league) and Rafer came in.
Note: I’m not a Rafer fan, and I TOTALLY supported the Rafer for Lowry deal. I’m just defending a guy I think has been picked on very unjustly.
by flipasta on May 25, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are far more worse players that have headed to the finals
just sayin
contributing nothing substantial to your blog, since 2008!
by misterterrific on May 25, 2009 7:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
I like Rafer as an AND1 player, but that’s about it.
by Sean Connery on May 25, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
congrats, dave
you’ve successfully brought out the dumbass contingent.
Listen up. Rafer is terrible. He’s overpaid, he makes bad decisions, and his defense has declined as he has aged. The reason he has started for so many decent teams is because (1) the Rockets couldn’t find anyone better and (2) coaches and GMs tend to be generally spineless. They want to go with the safe player. Sure, Rafer isn’t really that good, but you know what you’re getting with him.
Ultimately, the reason I hate Rafer is because he always seemed to be the player I’d end up screaming at the TV over as he continued to jack up horrible shot after horrible shot. In a lot of ways, he’s like Artest. But at least Ron’s defense lives up to the hype. And his off-the-court escapades are better.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 25, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"dumbass contingent"
Don’t say something to me, bobert923, flipasta, or UHoustonFan on the Internet that you wouldn’t say to us in person. We’re all Rockets fans here.
These boards are designed to promote discussion. I came out and defended Rafer, then three other Rox fans supported my arguments. This fact speaks volumes.
Can’t we all just get along?!
For the record, I also supported the Rafer trade. Without it, AB wouldn’t have broken out in the playoffs like he did. However, I think his veteran presence was missed at times in the playoffs.
by stuartallen83 on May 25, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit, I'd say it to your face, too.
But that’s irrelevant. What’s important is that “bobert” went for the epic “this blog sucks” commentary. He will be mocked accordingly.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 25, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Internet tough guys
should not be allowed to procreate by the government.
by stuartallen83 on May 25, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) I’m no internet tough guy.
2) I wasn’t really referring to you, friendo.
3) I was referring to bobert’s bullshit.
4) Honestly, I don’t have a problem with fans who think Rafer’s alright. You’re wrong, but that’s that. But going for “omg u guis like rafer totally rox and ur sight sux lol” will be called out as dumbassery.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 25, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stuart, he wasn't talking to you
Not sure if you saw the post he was talking about since I deleted it.
I totally get that we go overboard with the Rafer hate. It’s not been a secret that we don’t like him and don’t think he’s a good person on top of that.
But right now Rafer is shoving our hate in our face. I’m cool with that. I’m very happy with the Rockets having Lowry over him. And frankly, if Rafer wins I’ll be happy for him. I won’t cheer it on to happen, but if he does it, that’s great for him
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by UofTOrange on May 25, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I’m just pushing OAL’s buttons, like he’s pushing mine. No hard feelings here.
by stuartallen83 on May 26, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carry on then ;-)
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by UofTOrange on May 26, 2009 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how one second we're all in agreement and the next you're treating us like Lakers/Jazz fans
It’s ridiculous, we’re all Rockets fans here. What we don’t like is all the bitching and moaning about Rafer Alston amongst other things. I’m almost inclined to think that most of you hate the Utah Jazz so much for no other reason than they kick our asses every year. Sure Rafer took many, many stupid shots but even if he won a championship for Orlando (And, hey, he’s 6 games away my friends) you wouldn’t give him any credit whatsoever, It would probably be “oh, he got lucky,” or “his teammates bailed him out, he still sucks.”
Don’t get me wrong guys I love this site and I love conversing with y’all but this is getting ridiculous
by UHoustonFan on May 25, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he does still suck ;-)
But yes, he would certainly deserve some credit
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by UofTOrange on May 25, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m almost inclined to think that most of you hate the Utah Jazz so much for no other reason than they kick our asses every year.
Are you sure you’re a rockets fan?
Look, I understand what you’re saying. There’s nothing wrong with voicing your support for Rafer. But when you do that, you have to be prepared to defend that position. And when everyone else disagrees, you just deal with it.
It’s the same with McGrady. Dave loves to bitch and moan about how much Tracy sucks. I disagree very strongly with that opinion, and I am not afraid to say as much. And if/when Dave says, “OAL, that’s ridiculously stupid,” I just have to accept that we’re never going to agree on this.
But that’s part of the fun. It would be pretty boring here if we all just agreed on everything.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 25, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I'm sure!
I said this to a friend of mine and he laughed at me: “I bleed Rockets’ Red.”
He responded with “LOL so do I, except when I’m in Denver where there’s less oxygen so my blood is Nuggets blue.” (he’s a Denver fan)
The point is, I’m a die-hard Rockets fan and I understand your point. I have made many snide comments about T-Mac and I understand that many people might disagree with me. We’re on the same side though man. I think Brooks and Lowry will come back strong next year and with Yao healthy and Artest returning with all of them having gained precious playoff experience I think we’ll be a force in the Western Conference again.
by UHoustonFan on May 26, 2009 5:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Tracy sucks
I said he’s a selfish whiny bitch. And he is.
by grungedave on May 26, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it's any consolation
it’s already been said by jameer nelson that, if the magic pass up the cavs, he will be ready to play. from what i understand he’s already conditioning again, which would bump rafer to the bench.
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
by olivarezq1 on May 25, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
magic got the better post player, 2 slashers that can shoot and take the ball to the the rim and are both clutch. So you need to start living with the fact that rafer is going to the finals and possibly win a ring with the way Lakers play defense with an ultra soft front court
by o_oholycrap on May 26, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The biggest problem I have with the Rafer hate
is that Dave and Lee seem to place a disproportionate amount of blame on Rafer indicated by one of Lee’s posts earlier…
Anymosity, yes, he personally screwed over the Rockets for multiple years
I mean, the problem with this type of thinking is that it’s pretty clear that Rafer wasn’t really the guy screwing over the Rockets. This has been Yao and TMac’s team, and if you want to “personally” blame any player, it’s got to be on those two guys. Anyone who watched the Rockets knows that Rafer is a limited player. He got the ball up the court, generally got the team into the offense, couldn’t/didn’t penetrate/finish at the rim, was a decent catch and shoot three point shooter with terrible shot selection at times. There are plenty of PGs in the league better, but while Rafer was on the team, he was the best we had, and for whatever reason, Lee and Dave think he deserves a decent amount of scorn. Whatever. It’s their blog and it entertains some people to read about how much Rafer sucks.
The fact is that this team played better when Rafer was playing the point than any of the guys we’d brought in over the last few years. This year when TMac went down, the team needed a PG who was a more consistent scorer, and AB provided that. AB grew up quite a bit this year and I’m excited about his future with the team. I do think that if he can get a bit more controlled going through the lane, he could be pretty comparable to Tony Parker, but he’s got to become a better and more crafty finisher for those comparisons to have any legitimacy. Anyhow, Go Rockets!
by forshizzzle on May 26, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
I can only direct you to the very first post we ever made at thedreamshake.blogspot.com – it set the stage for everything. I have never hated a Houston area athlete as much as I hated Rafer.
by grungedave on May 26, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am admittedly prone to hyperbole when it comes to him
The only player in Houston sports history I’ve disliked more is Sean Berry, so I’m not exactly rational in some of that hate.
That said, the guy deserves his props right now, and will deserve them even more if he plays like he did in Game 3 again.
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by UofTOrange on May 26, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe???
Who says that the Lakers are going?? It is not over yet!
by kmbrly429 on May 26, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you know what would make me cry?
if they do end up making the finals, and rafer has a finals clinching TEAR DROP shot. they would show it over and over again. im in tears just thinking about it now.
:(
by fiddycent on May 26, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would that be
the ultimate poetic justice for Rockets fans / Skip haters.
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by Artest4Prez on May 26, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God i hated that shot
but he got decent at it this year. Still wasn’t worth shooting three times a game though..
by flipasta on May 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tear Drop shot
And imagine if it was Game 7, Double OT, and for the win. God, it’ll be epic.
by Tam Henry xD on May 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, we badmouth him and he goes off tonight.
We’re the Artest to Rafer’s Kobe.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I'm amazed that the Cavs are still in this game (8.5 min. left in the 4th)
They’ve just played lazy the whole night. Williams hasn’t closed out on Rafer, everyone but Lebron has just been standing around on offense since the 1st, and it just seems like the only thing that’s kept them in the game so far has been the whistle.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only Cavalier who hasn't played really lazy
is Wallace (even Lebron seems to be taking possessions off).
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I think Lebron is having a "Kobe moment."
The startling and exasperating realization as a star player that your teammates just aren’t as good as you need. They aren’t playing hard enough, and they aren’t good enough to justify passing to them. You deserve better than this, and you realize that you probably can’t win with what you have.
Kobe’s “Kobe moment” has lasted since Shaq left. Hakeem had a “Kobe moment” lasting roughly from the departure of most of the 1987 cast until the 1992 draft. Lebron’s lasted from his draft until this season, but it seems to be happening again. It’s a beautiful, tragic thing.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
now they seem to be fighting again.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now Rafer's gone cold
and continues to jack up shots. Shots that are now contested.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
whoa
our boy Rashard with the clutch three. Ballsy shot, too.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jesus
awful no-call. awful
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the ending play of regulation
looking back, it wasn’t that bad. But, given that the previous play resulted in free throws for Lebron on what was pretty light contact (it resulted in him tripping, but it just wasn’t that much contact from Pietrus), Howard arguably should have been awarded the same.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Lebron about three degrees to the left from absolutely stealing that game.
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by Only_A_Lad on May 26, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On cue,
Rafer Alston goes off for his best career playoff game to give the Magicians a commanding lead in the EFC.
by stuartallen83 on May 26, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops
ECF … we’re not in Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan is spelled correctly, look it up.
by stuartallen83 on May 27, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yao's prophesy
After playing Orlando for the final time this season, Yao said of Dwight Howard, “I’ll meet him in the finals.” Of course, everyone just laughed (including himself) at that notion.
Looks like he’s gonna be half right, and boy do I wish he was correct on the other half!
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