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Some rule changes I would like to see from the NBA in the offseason

I'll make this short and sweet:

  • No more 'Chauncey Billups fouls':  I am being slightly hypocritical here, as Luis Scola, Kyle Lowry, and Von Wafer did this multiple times in the playoffs, but Billups has always been the primary perpetrator.  In calling Chauncey out, I am referring to the foul call that occurs when a player shot-fakes, causes the defender to go up into the air, and then jumps forward with no intention of actually shooting, but rather with the intention of drawing contact.  Sasha Vujacic drew a foul against Wafer after Von jumped into him on the sideline.  It was a horrible call (but I still cheered for it, of course).  What the NBA needs to do is this:  1. Call the foul on the defender only if the player on offense jumps straight up like he is trying to shoot.  Otherwise, if the shooter jumps forward in any way, where it is clear his only purpose for doing so is to draw contact, then 2. Call an offensive foul.  Consider this the closest the NBA will come to penalizing "flopping."
  • Something needs to be done about "blocking" fouls:  This happened last night, when LeBron James tripped and knocked over Mikael Pietrus in the process, but drew a foul and sent the game into overtime.  At some point, the NBA will need to address the term "blocking foul."  How much contact does it take to "impede progress?"  It's a shame that the premier basketball league in the world has suddenly become a ballet.  The minute a player falls to the ground after any sort of contact, a whistle is blown.  Then, to appease the crowd, if a player is completely leveled thereafter, the referees let the game continue.  It's become all too common.  I don't have any specific ideas.  Perhaps you folks do?
  • There needs to be a defined rule for what you can and can not do to front the post: I have never seen a more varied exchange of whistles than what I saw in the Portland/Houston series.  On some nights, the referees would let Joel Przybilla absolutely maul Yao Ming.  On others, he would be called for the slightest amount of contact.  The NBA needs to do something similar to what the NFL does.  Offensive lineman can only do so much to hold off a pass-rusher, and there is a defined rule for what they can and can not do with their hands.  The same thing needs to be applied to post play in the NBA.

However, I really don't expect much of this, if any, to be changed at all.

I'm going out of town soon, but it's not like I'll be missing anything.  This has been quite the boring offseason thus far for the Rockets.

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In calling Chauncey out, I am referring to the foul call that occurs when a player shot-fakes, causes the defender to go up into the air, and then jumps forward with no intention of actually shooting, but rather with the intention of drawing contact

Well, you can look closer to home for an even better example of the tactic. McGrady is the absolute master of this. And it’s hilarious to see 6’8" T-Mac leap into a smaller defender to get the foul call.

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by Only_A_Lad on May 27, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

a great example

[sans the small defender part] is when tmac leaps into tim duncan on the 3-point line amidst scoring 13 in 33 seconds, nailing the shot.

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by olivarezq1 on May 27, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I must agree

That is a move specialized by one Tracy McGrady. His “pump fake then jump into the defender” got him to the line numerous times…. then he’d miss the FTs. ;-)

it was so effective you could see Wafer and others on the team try the move with regularity this January/February.

by grungedave on May 28, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

kobe was using that move way before T-Mac and billups

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by TitanFan2K on May 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with this post.

Also “superstar” calls are irritating. Anyone else see the discrepancy every time Phil Jackson complains?

by VBG on May 28, 2009 5:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Phil Jackson isn't your problem

Referee’s respond to the following things in a series . . .

League directives, Supersior of officials directives and their own review of the game.
The do not respond to the whims of coach’s, not even hall of famers,
the league office will however review official requests by teams
and make determinations if that needs to be passed onto crews or not.

You also have to know that the crews change game to game
and thus the style of said referee’s will change game to game.
Some call traveling, some hand checks, other’s are quick with the T’s.

Last nights game was one of the better referee’d games this playoff’s,
they let them play for the most part and in the fourth when it started to get ragged,
they clamped down a bit. They did miss two on Nene that should have been no calls,
but other than that it was a good playoff game.

So no, I don’t see your discrepancy.

by Old time fan on May 28, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure I agree with the Chauncy Billups one completely

I think they should be able to jump straight up OR toward the basket. They should NOT be able to jump sideways like Wafer’s crazy ass did.

by erod on May 28, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

no

Jumping forward is fine… jumping forward to draw contact when you have no real interest in taking/making the shot is over-the-line. And it’s annoying.

by grungedave on May 28, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Play the game, shoot the ball, don't look for your bail out plan!

A.I. , Chauncy and most points in the league are guilty of one thing, playing to get fouled and not to play basketball. This has been increasingly frustrating for me over the last several years, as an NBA fan of over fourty years, this decline in the quality of basketball hurts the game. Who wants to watch a free throw shooting contest? The reason this rule will not get adopted is the difficultly in knowing what intent is. The NBA should at minimum give the referee’s a rule that states something like . . . “If an offensive player with the ball incourages contact with a defensive player for the sole purpose of a foul and without the intent or natural act of shooting or passing the ball, the foul shall be called on the offensive player”. This would at least give the referee’s a tool they can use for the most obvious situations, like ducking your head and driving towards the basket, or most recently Lebron’s drive towards the basket and sprawling himself on the floor, that didn’t deserve an emmy let alone an oscar! I don’t see this going away anytime soon, it is ingrained into the mentality of all the guards in the league, it has unfortunatly become part of the game :(

by Old time fan on May 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Flopping!

Flopping is the worst thing to happen to the NBA. It should be a delay of game on the flopper.

by FkKobe on May 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

One more addition

I agree with all the proposed ideas. There is another practice that drives me nuts and that is when defenders slide under the offensive player while taking a jumpshot.
In the Denver-LA series, JR Smith undercuts Kobe on every jumpshot. Hence he’s had to kickout his legs wildly to avoid injury. Amazing he’s able to hit shots and not get hurt.

I believe this is in the rule books, but I have never seen a call on it.

by boba on May 28, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I was really worried he had left.

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by Only_A_Lad on May 28, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's like Fatty on crack.

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by haildablazer on May 29, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually I'll take that back

It’s a tough read, but nothing like Fatty.

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by haildablazer on May 29, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

all info in this post is extreamly false

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by svlittle on May 29, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

other rules

Since we are talking about it…
can we PLEASE just get rid of the restricted circle/semi-circe under the basket and go back to calling charges/blocks the way they were meant to be called?!?!?

by grungedave on May 28, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I love it!
1. Call the foul on the defender only if the player on offense jumps straight up like he is trying to shoot. Otherwise, if the shooter jumps forward in any way, where it is clear his only purpose for doing so is to draw contact, then 2. Call an offensive foul. Consider this the closest the NBA will come to penalizing “flopping.”

Great point there, and I would love to see this expanded to include the ridiculous fouls given to defenders who jump straight up, but the offensive player jumps directly into their body while attempting a layup. Point Guards are the worst offenders of this, as they know their shot will most likely be blocked, and the only way to score is two-fold:

A) Throw the defender off balance by jumping into their body, preventing them from effectively blocking your shot

and B) try to draw the foul for body contact, even though the offensive player is the one who initiated the contact, and the defender did what’s he’s been told to do by refs when challenging shots…. JUMP STRAIGHT UP.

by tandur on May 28, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Call for Lebron

I’m sorry, but for anyone who understands basketball officiating, Peitrus had to be call for a foul. He was going to be beat by Lebron, so he jumped in front of him SIDEWAYS. Watch the replay and you’ll see how clear it was. He wasn’t in legal guarding position, and it caused Lebron to trip. Had he kept his body in legal guarding position, I doubt the ref would have called a foul for any contact given the end of game situation. But it was a pretty clear foul.

I had the superstar calls too, but that was the correct call.

by Bullard's Boy on May 28, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's not get carried away here.

I will absolutely agree that Pietrus will generally get called for a foul in this situation. When two players get their feet tangled up, its almost always a foul on the defender no matter what.
However, Pietrus was moving almost directly backwards towards the basket when the foul was called, and in looking at the replay, I see precious little contact. i wonder if Lebron mostly lost his balance trying hard to lean in to initiate body contact. But I just don’t see the contact until after Lebron was falling. I haven’t see a great replay of this, so I could be wrong.

by Metalate on May 28, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lebron drove into Peitrus

He’s Lebron, not Moses, the players do not have to part the lane for him.
The point again here is he was looking for a foul, not to make a shot,
he could have jab faked a risen up for an easy ten footer.

by Old time fan on May 28, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minor change

Does the rule to re-set the shot clock to only 14, rather than 24, after a non-shooting defensive foul (or a kick) bother anyone else? Do they really need this cheap rule to speed up the game?

When you bring the ball up the floor, you should have 18-19 seconds to run the offense. If you get a defensive foul and get 14 seconds on the clock, there will only be 11-12 seconds to run the offense, perhaps less if you throw the inbounds pass into the backcourt, so it feels like you get penalized for drawing a foul.

If a team fouls Yao on the blocks with 12 seconds on the clock, the Rockets are already into their offense, they’ve worked the ball to where they want it on the floor, and they still have 10 seconds to operate. This is a whole lot better than inbounding to Brooks at 35 feet from the basket with 14 seconds.

by Metalate on May 28, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

And an idea that has no chance:

I know it makes the game more “exciting”, but getting 6 possessions in the last 25 seconds of a close game is silly. 2 rule changes:

1) No more advancing across the halfcourt line on a timeout. This is like saying you can call a timeout and advance the ball 5 yards halfway to the first down line in football.

2) Non-shooting defensive fouls in the last minute are 1 shot and the ball. In a way this goes along with the “Chancey” argument above: play the game, try to steal the ball; don’t turn this into a free throw contest.

by Metalate on May 28, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

2) Non-shooting defensive fouls in the last minute are 1 shot and the ball. In a way this goes along with the "Chancey" argument above: play the game, try to steal the ball; don’t turn this into a free throw contest.

I’d extend it all the way out to two minutes. NBA coaches are finally starting to figure out that not only is it a good idea to foul when you’re behind, it’s a great idea to do it while ahead. And that’s destroying all the fun.

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by Only_A_Lad on May 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hadn't thought of that

but yes, the change would also remove the incentive to foul leading by 3 in the closing seconds. I like it.

by Metalate on May 29, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like the Chauncey rule

but I would make the situation a no-call, not a charge. Of course, if the jumpshooter leans into the defender, trying to draw the foul (unsuccessfully), and doesn’t take the shot—that should result in a travelling violation, but not a foul.

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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

did anyone else see kobe try to oull that crap with .5 seconds on the clock and they had a 10 point lead in game 5

Kobe is a weak ass dude

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by svlittle on May 29, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blocking/Charging Calls

I’ve grown tired of guessing which it’ll be when the whistle blows. I think offensive fouls on charges have changed the game for the worse. If a player with the ball initiates contact, blow the whistle, but don’t call a foul. Make it a turnover, ball out on the sideline, change of possession. Then someone like Greg Oden will be able to actually stay in a game for more than a few seconds.

I like your ideas.

by FlyingOutlaw on May 29, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

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