GameThread for Los Angeles Lakers at Houston Rockets, May 8, 2009 8:30 PM CDT - Second Half
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i hate you (jk, kinda) and you weren't even first
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
We’ve had eight more turnovers and 14 fewer shots taken. We’ve outrebounded them, but careless ball-handling has cost the Rox valuable possessions. To give away six points at the end of the first half in unacceptable. You can’t expect the Lakers to miss so many shots in the second half like they did in the second quarter, so you HAVE to start taking advantage of every possession.
After all is said and done, more is said than done.
This has always been my biggest problem with the Rockets. For as big of hustlers as they are on defense, they are the laziest passers. So many pointless turnovers result from feebly lobbing the ball with one hand in the general direction of a teammate. If we would pass the ball with both fucking hands we’d be winning by 10. And Lowry needs to stop with the 1 on 5s already. They don’t work. Wait till Landry is in the paint.
by seanbergmanrules on May 8, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions
i dunno why.
ah well, i’m out then.
these fanposts are starting to kill me
by misterterrific on May 8, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
i dunno why.
ah well, i’m out then.
these fanposts are starting to kill me
by misterterrific on May 8, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
nah
i think my net’s messing up. or the internet loves me so much that it double posts me, I dunno. regardless, this’ll be my last post for tonight. i’ll just post how I’ll probably be reacting for the rest of the night:
YES!
NOOOO!
YAOOOOOO!!!!
GET OUT TROLL!
WE WIN! or NO WE LOST :(
My contribution for the night. Have fun ya’ll!
these fanposts are starting to kill me
by misterterrific on May 8, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
breakout year for wandy this season
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn, had to miss the whole 1st half
any gems from JVG?
by goingforthecorner on May 8, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions
WUT THE F*CK
world of warcraft sponsoring espn?
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cmon rockets !!!
dont let this slip away :(((
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions
and once again
our only source of points is Lakers sending Yao to the line
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lets get down to basics again..
feed the post
feed the post
feed the post
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions
talking to the rockets in general.... they always get away from whats been working for them
gasol still is not consistently fronting
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
this series has changed me from a casual smoker to a chronic smoker
ive gone through half a pack since this game started
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
and i just bought my first pack of cigarettes today in months!
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
it looks bad
the rockets have only scored 8 points this quater
I still put some blame on yao though
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
the guy has put his body on the line to get 2 huge offensive boards this quarter
because by the time he tries to set up down low, either brooks or artest have turned it over already.
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no just watch this whole quarter again…. yao just has not put his back to gasol to post up
its like he’s allowing AB/artest the open lane to the basket
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
well if none of your teammates looked for you on offense
i doubt you’d waste your time trying to post up
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true
Yao isn’t moving to the ball. But Artest is dribbling the hell out of the ball, and Brooks isn’t really doing anything.
You're going to hate me
but that’s where T-Mac and Rafer are missed. Getting Yao the ball was priority #1 always. Can’t say the same about AB and Artest.
by goingforthecorner on May 8, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Only half hate you
T-Mac’s ability to get the ball to Yao is what’s really missing right now.
Rafer would just take (and miss) horrible threes and tear-drop shots.
we haven't score any for the last couple possesion..
what is wrong with my connection i can’t even see the ball .
ROCKETS
Rockets are very lucky to be down only 10 points. This is just the lakers missing some shots because YOU GUYS should be down by 20 right now
Are you serious? You guys had 14 more shots in the first half thanks to turnovers. They’re not even forced, either, just stupid passes. This should be a tie game at worst for the Rockets. The offense is sucking right now though.
After all is said and done, more is said than done.
wrong. you didnt throw us the ball.. we TOOK IT. TOOK IT
and Kobe blocked Yao twice at the rim to get the ball in transition and put up points
no we actually DID throw it to you
that or put it right under ur nose
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Cmon its Yao, hes not going to do that
He’s a team-first guy. Even if he knows him demanding the ball is best for the team, he won’t do it.
by goingforthecorner on May 8, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
We're being totally outplayed on both ends
the real Lakers have arrived. People didn’t want to admit that Game 1 was a result of them being rusty from a long layoff, but that excuse is looking a little more legit.
by goingforthecorner on May 8, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions
or
it could be that they’re shooting like 50% from three range. When they’re hot, they’re hot, but that’s not typically how the ancillary Lakers players shoot.
what's the point? no one is looking that way.
they rather hand the ball to the Lakers than to Yao.
why the f*ck is artest still on the floor
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It looks like Von's shot left with his attitude.
A big energy play would help us out alot right now we are looking sluggish stuck in a rut. Hopefully that Lowry bucket will help.
if you're going to diss his performance this game, then go ahead
but there’s no point in trying to take away from his performance in the first two games…
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
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Post Artest up.
Post, then repost. It worked with Yao in Game 1
thank god this quarter is over
Ron almost shot us out of the game completely
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If he keeps doing that
We have a shot. Drive, pass it out, or get fouled
the damn crowd never learns
don’t piss off kobe.
16 points.
not that that makes that big of a difference
Well, that was the worst quarter of the season.
Nice timing, Rockets.
brostill within striking distance
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Lakers get the ball to start the 4th.
An extra possession.
big deficit
Like I said, the Lakers are shooting 50% from three. They’re just making their shots, and the Rockets aren’t.
yea
its when tha other guys are makin shots that tha lakers are at their best
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
Von theres 10 minutes left
you dont have to take the first look you have
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our defense is collapsing
and kobe isn’t even driving…
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flagrant?
what do you think? i’ll take it if they call it
how is kobe gonna complain about that?
he uses that move all tha time
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
Wafer jumped wayy farther to get the guy than Kobe usually does
Because Kobe will usually rather get a good look at the shot if the defender is that far away
by Gils_Keloids on May 8, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That didn't really look like it was intentional
It was just Vujacic playing really shitty D.
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i nominate you as rockets head coach.
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he was in position at least two instances on that last possession.
the guards took too long. and then Wafer had Yao open under the basket, instead he shoots an airball.
i don't think people realize
you can’t expect a guy of that size to run up and down the floor and fight for post position on every single possession and play more than 20 minutes a game. He can’t afford to do that, especially if his teammates aren’t going to give him the ball.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
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Wafer needs to check out "Better Basketball"
on Passing
i saw that one.
didn’t really help me though…
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Like JVG said earlier
he does everything other than passing
it's only a four possession game
and theres a lot of time. guys need to slow down and execute
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Sigh
Rockets playing like they’re the freaking Sixers with this slashing and dribbling. YOU HAVE A CENTER GUYS. Just because he gets fronted doesn’t mean you can’t get it into him.
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 8, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions
THANK YOU SO MUCH SHANNON BROWN
for doubling Yao.
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but he didn't
because of the good defense….
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think adelman said all 4 games
in reg season was lost in 4th.. lakers D clamps down and kobe goes off. we’ll see if the script goes according to plan
this loss would be all on the rockets and very little on the lakers
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
yes the lakers had a lot to do with that loss.. i’m not denying it.
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
they came back and had the lead in the fourth,
and then the rockets fought back. Once again, their three-point shooting is ridiculous tonight. Not much you can do.
that's why no one was stressing
played horribly but still competitive
worst game of the postseason?
thats sayin a whole lot. utah really put up a fight
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
RON ARTEST HAS COME BACK TO EARTH
Remember all those contested 3s Artest was knocking down in Staples Center???
hhmmm
Is there any “ignore” function anywhere on these boards? Never had the occasion to look for one on baseball game threads, where opponent fans are generally civil.
man i seriously miss the portland fans
I mean, they gave respect. some of these laker guys just have nothing better to do than troll.
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finally looking for the post player
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions
no coincidence theyve closed the gap some
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
can we please get back to the inside out game on EVERY possession ? thanks.
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
dude Ron
what the hell are u thinking
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his face says
“I need to kick Ron’s ass after the game”
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When us Blazers played Houston
we all noticed he got very tired in the 2nd half, it was very obvious.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Our thread has been all but taken over
by several losers who probably got kicked out of Silver screen and roll.
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I think adelman should put Scola on Gasol on the defensive end
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions
Kobe's defense on Artest is BEAUTIFUL
Crazy Pills, grow up mentally. Stop hugging the ball, you aren’t the number 1 option on Offense
Laker class?
From the fans that have been here this series, I’m not sure it exists.
draft dejuan blair
laker class?
i dont believe ive heard those 2 words in tha same sentence before
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
I'm frankly surprised you even consider him a Laker's fan.
If any so called rockets fan posted meaningless shit like he has, I’d call him out straight up.
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RICK GET YAO OUT OF THE GAME
Uggggh.
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 8, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions
Artest reminds me of Travis Outlaw
No not their physiques. But they are the ultimate feast of famine guys. When they’re on, they are great, and can totally dominate a game. But when they’re off, they make so many dumb mistakes and lose a game single handedly.
He has got play within himself, in order to give Houston a chance.
Good analogy, bearing in mind that Artest has the capability of getting to the rack strong whenever he wants and that Travis can elevate over anyone for his jumpers...
But they both love to shoot the ball and sometimes you smile and sometimes you cry…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Get Yao out of the game now.
Bring in three point shooters.
PACE OF GAME
If the Rockets do not control the tempo and keep running like they are doing right now, I dont know how Yao can keep up. Actually the pace of this game was a little slow compared to what the Lakers really want to do
He was going for the ball...
are you fucking kidding me. stop feeding the artest stigma refs.
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yea just like
vujacic was going for the ball, so was artest. godamn refs.
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Has this Felix guy been this much a d-bag all night?
"Adelman sitting on the bench looks like a beat poet ready to blow your mind. And then he screams at the refs, and it’s a poetry slam." - LicketyBrindle
Amazing how those frontrunner fans are huh?
"Adelman sitting on the bench looks like a beat poet ready to blow your mind. And then he screams at the refs, and it’s a poetry slam." - LicketyBrindle
Typical Laker fan
Just ignore him
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Go Houston! Beat LA!
what the hell
okay this officiating is ridiculous
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
Never seen so many players get kicked out
before this post season. The NBA needs to get a freaking clue. This is insane. The refs are on a power trip. Did anyone tell them its the playoffs…
wtf
are you fuckin kidding me? that a flagrant?
yea but at the expense of artest getting kicked out??
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
it wasn't even a flagrant 1
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
whatever
you dont send a guy out for that..
fuckin refs
I'd call it...
a shooting foul.
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Wow!
That ejection is unbelievable. Refs better get reprimanded for that one.
This would be a closer game...
If we hadn’t missed so many free-throws!
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on May 8, 2009 11:20 PM CDT reply actions
that was like the ariza on rudy foul...
hard foul, bad landing…
talk to the blazer fans about that one
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that made the foul on Rudy look like MMA
at least Artest was in position to make a play on the ball.
They threw him out for no fucking reason
whatever. Time to win Game 4 and split the home games
by goingforthecorner on May 8, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions
does anybody in the league office
realize the ejections on artest only prove their own incompetency?
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I'll split the difference with ya -- Ron went wack on the first one and needed a "time out"; the second one was complete phony baloney...
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T-mac
is so happy right now. “They do need me!”
probably be down 3-0 with Tmac
imo
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that i'll agree to
but we haven’t seen tmac the healthy in a long time
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hahaha next hes gonna say
whoever scores more points will probably win the game.
what more can we expect
from a guy who makes multiple accounts for the sole purpose of trolling.
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It's way better if you ignore the troll
the only reason the troll is here, is b/c it is ignored on L*ker fan sites. The troll needs attention to feel better about itself. Do not give it attention and it will go away…much like the other L*ker fans did to it….they don’t want the troll either.
give him a break guys
he has to wake up every morning and look in the mirror and know hes a lakers fan, so honestly i feel kind of bad for him.
by TheGreatWall on May 8, 2009 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate espn
wheres the postgame show
cant wait to get back with TNT
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:27 PM CDT reply actions
oh hell no
i’ll still take JVG over Kobe’s PR in disguise anyday
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yea but they're only in the studio
i can’t stand doug collins anymore.
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I do like their legit sounding voices
but man they really don’t know much about teams besides LA and cleveland.
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that lowry fellow? personally,
i quite liked that tall, Asian fellow.
Debatable if that should have even been Flagrant-1
As a Laker fan, I would have to agree with Kobe and the announcers. Ron’s foul was 50-50 between a hard foul and a Flagrant-1. He should not have been ejected, and I think the league will review the play and downgrade the flagrant.
by The Dude Abides on May 8, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions
thanks for being unbiased.
i hope Javie gets suspended.
He won't
Javie has been there forever. He once through Portland’s announcer out of the game (Mike Rice, no joke) because Rice was upset with him after a cal…
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The last game he reffed in PDX, there were 20,000 doing the "JA — VIE — SUCKS!!!" chant...
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It's clear that there is Crazy Person Profiling in effect among NBA refs against Ron-ron...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
That was the most BS ejection
I have EVER seen in an NBA game. It was by no means a flagrant foul of any kind…
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talk about biased? first he gets called for a foul
for blocking Stern’s golden boy’s elbow with his throat, and now he gets ejected for blocking Pau’s shot and giving a hard foul?
The foul on Wafer
Was worse than Ron Ron’s foul and I didn’t think it was a flagrant either….
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TGW
If you’re referring to Kobe’s elbow into Ron’s chest, which was merely apparent from the bad angle but obvious from the good one, you’re mistaken. The only flagrant in this series worthy of an ejection was Fisher’s.
by The Dude Abides on May 8, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
u cant tell me it wasnt an intentional elbow
flagrant 1 was tha correct call and no more
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
Artest's extremely calm reaction after being ejected
probably suggests the refs said some things to him. In other words, “our bad”
by goingforthecorner on May 8, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks to the rational Lakers fans...
for acknowledging how messed up that call was.
Good game. See you in game 4.
That call was the dividing line between anyone that knows jack shit about basketball and those who don't...
Unfortunately, some of the NBA’s refs don’t…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
If Artest gets suspended
I am so not watching the NBA playoffs for a while because I’ll know they are fixed….
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we finally learned what
Dallas learned 3 years ago.
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theres no way that happens
if it does, i’ll join u in ur boycott
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
He has 3 "points" if the Flagrant 2 is upheld
4 is an automatic 1-game suspension….
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That's one hard foul...
I suspect they will reverse that call.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
not all hard fouls are flagrant
Ron clearly made a play for the ball.
You'll be able to watch Game 4
Ron’s flagrant will be downgraded to a #1
by The Dude Abides on May 8, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
A note to Wafer:
Just because you have the ball DOES NOT mean you need to shoot EVERY DAMN TIME.
Wafer = Baby Artest
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
dump that baby in the orphanage!
im kidding though
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I didn't realize that Houston is his 5th team. That tells ya something about him...
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Somewhere in the bottom of my heart...
DJ strawberry cries out
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LA is also Fisher's 4th team, what's your point?
I’m counting the Lakers twice of course.
nevermind
I thought u were talking about Ron Artest. Yeah, Wafer sucks.
wafer is an unknown who's never settled into a team
fisher is 34 year old veteran with 13 years in the league…. a little different
Well Fisher is a 13 year vet, so let's wait for about 9 more years before we compare.
And for the record when Von Wafer was on the Lakers he was awful. 16 games, .158 shooting percentage. And no that’s not a misprint.
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sorry posted that before I saw your retraction
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hey yo feeeeelix
that was a great game, wasn’t it holmes? yo ese, lets you and 50 of your boys hop in the back of the pick up and party down in mexxxxico
by TheGreatWall on May 8, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Let's be clear
The Rockets deserved to lose tonight but that call at the end was BS….
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ooo ur tired?
working the am shift at mickey d’s? or is it taco bell? or maybe its yard work, you dont need papers for that.
Again
He is probably a 14 year old freshman with no friends and cant get women….. and he’s a Laker fan
give the kid a break
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Go Houston! Beat LA!
i agree totally skywaker
we didnt play well enough to win, but that call was complete bs.
ESPN's Mashburn and Myers make a good point
Pau’s fall at the end of the game could have been caused by either Lowry or Battier pushing him.
by The Dude Abides on May 8, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
talking about the call
“The ref explained to me the reason. So that’s cool. Most of them just tell me to leave”
even when the rockets are out, artest needs to keep talking
he’s pure comedy gold
Maybe you guys shouldn't have counted your chickens before they hatched
You guys should be down 0-3. The Lakkers just came out flat in game 1 and you barely won that one. Don’t worry Rocks fans. This thing will be over in 2 more games.
who are
these Lakkers you speak of? you LA fans crack me up
by TheGreatWall on May 8, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It's called a typo
Maybe being around this many Texans made my spelling off
again w/ tha rust excuse for game 1
cleveland had 9 days off. that sure hurt them
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
i think pau fell because lowry pushed him from behind
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:45 PM CDT reply actions
ron ron is a new man.... when are the refs gonna wake up to this fact ??
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:46 PM CDT reply actions
I agree, but................
that’s why you don’t act like he did earlier in his career. The Rockets are getting screwed because of it, but you have to be smarter than that all the time.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
Yeah that was a BS flagrant
That’s good hard basketball, and I knew Kobe would say as much.
It’s not a boy’s game. It’s a man’s game.
The thing that made it looks so bad is that Battier had Gasol by the waist, so he kind of held him up for Artest to foul him.
But, no flagrant. He got ball, it was a foul. End of Story
by Gils_Keloids on May 8, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Just ban that guy
He’s taking up too much space, I can’t scroll down fast enough
by Gils_Keloids on May 8, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah no shit
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
I was at the game, got a good look and saw
maybe a F1, but definitely not an F2.
BUT what do you want to be that The Great Satan, aka Ron Artest, gets a 1 game suspension?
Any takers to bet he won’t?
Go to the light. Go to the light...
You can complain about Kobe, but he always takes the high road on these things.
No matter how hard the foul, he just says. It was nothing, just playoff basketball, I love it. No whining.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
Well, to be fair, no whining after the game
In game, he does his share, but he’s working the refs
by Gils_Keloids on May 8, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree he whines during the game....................
almost always on no calls, not on defensive fouls on him. I don’t know why though.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
Just like trash talking.....
he does it during the game, but rarely elsewhere. Never that I can remember.
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i love the trash-talking
the thing is that they only let kobe do it. If its anyone else, they T ‘em up. That’s what i dont like.
by TheGreatWall on May 8, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
eh? Didn't he just get one last game for trash talking Battier?
by Gils_Keloids on May 9, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
that was taunting
there seems to be a difference.
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He was yelling "You can't guard me!" as Battier did his best to ignore
So the call may have been taunting, but he was trash talking, and Joey Crawford told Kobe not to direct that at the opponent.
i don't mind the trash talking
it’s a way to motivate himself.
Exactly. Michael did it, and he was revered for it.
People look for reasons to hate who they want to hate. I guess it’s natural.
i love trash talking.
it brings intensity, but if they don’t let everyone do it, its just lame. Kobe can do it, but if someone does it back, they get a T.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree, that's not right
Kobe’s not close to what KG gets away with. That guy has some serious issues. Getting down on all fours and barking? Wtf?
He made kissy faces to celebrate their win over the Bulls
He’s creative, I’ll give him that. I wish the Rockets were in the East, I’d love to see Artest go after Pierce.
he'll start whining
when something happens to him that he doesnt like
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
he dotsn't have to whine,
because he knows he is protected by Stern’s boys. Plus, no one wants to foul him hard because they would probably get suspended the rest of the series.
by TheGreatWall on May 8, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, the David Stern loves Kobe line is crap.........
He has his share of BS suspensions.
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i agree with j rose for a change
its tough to win a championship with such raw rookie point guards handling the offense
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:54 PM CDT reply actions
Good game, Rockets fans
Marred by the awful call at the end. No one in their right mind would consider that a flagrant.
I have to say, this is quite the battle. Midway through the 2nd, in between screaming at Lamar and Luke Walton on my TV screen, I realized that this has the makings of a classic series. Just two evenly matched teams with smart players on both sides executing well. As stressful as it is, this is fun. This is playoff basketball.
Looking forward to the next one. Best of luck.
it would be more of a series
if both teams could play 4 quarter basketball
by rocketloveinthebigD on May 8, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
how do people get to watch these postgame interviews?
Do you have to have NBATV?
really? didn't know that.
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Disappointed
Where were the Rockets fans tonight? Was the whole arena sleeping? Please do not tell me you pay $100 plus per ticket to take a nap. Get your team into the game. If not, just stay home! You need to wear RED!
completely agree.
i expected the crowd to be raucous and crazy and wild. i was very dissapointed. maybe it was different if you were there, but on TV the crowd was loud few and far between.
by TheGreatWall on May 8, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Aeros
Maybey they were getting ready for the Aeros 2nd round game tomorrow night…
Yea, that arena was silent.
for reals.
i dogged the laker crowd, but we were equally shitty tonight.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
u cant blame em
everytime they would make a run it would get ruined by a turnover of terrible shot. kinda hard to cheer for bad basketball
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
What's up with Kobe's purple and gold ear phones?
That’s just a little cheesy.
I was trying to figure out if those were the dumbest thing ever or whether they were so dumb they came all the way around to being cool again...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
very few people could pull those off.
Kobe is definitely not the type.
Comments from the West Coast............
1. Ron-Ron KILLED you guys tonight. 10-23 shooting, 2-8 from 3, 4 TO’s. There’s no way the Rockets can win with Ron taking up so much of the offense and doing nothing with it.
2. That was absolutely, positively NOT a flagrant foul and I think the league will change it as soon as they review it.
3. Short of Rocket fans thinking I’m clowning on their team, when VON FUCKING WAFER is a big part of the offensive output for your squad, you’ve got serious issues. The guy is a decent scorer at best, an offensive black hole and defensive liability at worst.
4. I think it’s definitely starting to look more and more like Game 1 was an aberration and the series is starting to turn in the Lakers favor. Houston is an amazing defensive unit, but they just don’t seem to have the offensive output to make a difference.
Respect, Houston.
Lakers in 6, people.
Von Wafer
I still think the main reason he even got that much time was because of his game 2 hissy fit,
I think tha Wafer bashing is a lil over tha top
we love him when he goes off for 20. much like Ron, u gotta take tha bad w/ tha good.
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
He's an offensive player,
He has some very nice skills. His defense is improving (it could rise to “subpar” soon). He’s streaky and tempestuous. It’s good to have guys like that. Filling the shoes of a healthy TMac is something about 5 players can do.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
He's taking his pitchfork out of his locker even as we speak.
And no one has ever seen his feet…
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this is a great series
i have every expectation the lakers will close out, but this is good toughening up for the finals
Well, gosh, happy to help.
Turn the arrogance knob down just a bit, eh?
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Yao said he stepped on someone's foot in the 4th
He said there is no way he’ll miss Sunday’s game.
Great news
With his history you fear the worst
always fear tha worst
I had to change my pants after he went down in game 1
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
same here.
the season would have been over like that.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
stupid foul
hey rockets fan,
HARD CORE laker fan here and let me tell you, that call on Artest is disgusting to say the least. Even though I am not rooting for your team, I believe in being fair. If Rondo doesn’t get suspended or EVEN get a Flag. 2, then Arest should not have been called for one either. Derek Fisher, yes, but Artest, no.
Its just really frustrating because I feel like that call was made out of prejudice. The refs know of Ron-ron’s reputation and history and because of that, just assumed that he was being dirty.
Goes to show how people still hold unfair perceptions.
thank you.
Houston and China would be rioting if they don’t reverse the call.
Good to hear
from real Laker fans every once in a while.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
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they actually watch the game and observe, and come up with their own analysis
and then come here after the game. instead of those who troll.
seriously.
as much as i dislike them, i gotta respect the true fans
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
ahhh does anyone have a link?
The first one didnt work for me
i think its done.
mine was working then stopped. Yao may have been the last one.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
it's over now.
And i think the clips on NBA.com tomorrow will have cut out the Chinese questions.
In a way I have to thank the trolls, I feel much better now after taking this loss out on them.
Give me some props if you agree!
There are some nice Laker fans, but their team is easy to hate.
By the way, all the (inevitably) Kobe shirt wearing Laker fans hooting outside Toyota tonight?
The shut right up when I asked (loudly) “Are you from LA or just on the bandwagon?”
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Nice.
I don’t hate the Lakers. I like them over many teams in this league. But I’d never wear their colors to my home arena. Never.
all Laker fans are bandwagoners
if tha clippers and lakers had their roles reversed, everyone would love tha clippers and tha lakers would be tha #2 team. must be nice to have 2 teams to choose from
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
I became a Lakers around 94-95
How does that make me a bandwagoner? I was little at the time, but I don’t remember them being all that hot in the mid-90s. Don’t generalize, it speaks of ignorance.
lol
Wow I pity you. If you’re so determined to hate, so be it.
nah
There were Laker fans who stuck with them even during the Kobe & no friends era. Those guys should be the only feeling proud of their team right now. Not the trolls who don’t know anything about Laker history.
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ehhhhh
Those years with Smush, Kwame, and the rest of the D-leaguers did not happen. They don’t process. They are the years-that-must-not-be-named to us.
Also the 3 or 4 years after Magic retired and left Big Game James to himself. Those never happened either.
Nah, I have a good college buddy, from LA. That seems fine.
All of Southern California really.
And yeah, if you adopt the team because you live in Iowa or something, fine.
As I said, I loved the Showtime Lakers.
I really don’t like Jackson, and of the Lakers the only ones who don’t seem horrible (to me, in my subjective opinion, which Gils, I am allowed) are Farmar and Gasol. But if the creature that lives in Gasol’s beard is angry its a whole other story.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
Is that a Clippers comment...............LOL
that’s a D-League team, doesn’t count.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
Well moving from SD seemed really pathetic to me. Picking up the Lakers sloppy 2nds - ugh.
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I agree with the SD, comment, but what does that have to do with the Lakers??
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
What that means is - LA is the Lakers town.
Sure, it’s big enough to support two teams, but given how passionate most of LA is about the Lakers, it seems like you’re aiming really low moving into their market.
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it was about the money, not about winning
donald sterling is losing all the way to the bank
sterling
is a racist bastard
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Elgin Baylor
revealed some “delightful” conversation between the two.
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
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Elgin Baylor seems like a nice man.
I can’t say I’m surprised. Being an asshole usually isn’t limited to one thing. I should know.
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He said something to Baylor like
“we pay these black kids a hell lotta money they better play good” or something along those racial lines.
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And I hate owners like him
and the late unlamented Pohlad in Minn.
If you are rich enough to own a team, you should try to win. If you rely on it to make you much richer, your team will likely suck.
I mean, if Sterling wants to have a chain of restaurants and be that way, fine, who cares? But sports teams are not the same, or shouldn’t be. Anything that gets the public to finance their building for them owes the public something back, and that something is trying. Of course its our own fault for letting them…
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OK, what do you mean by "you're aiming".
Laker fans didn’t ask for the Clippers, and we certainly don’t support both teams so what do you mean? Personally I think they should move to Anaheim. The Honda Center could use them and they would have their own identity.
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Yeesh. What's so hard to understand.
I am NOT criticizing the Lakers at ALL. I am criticizing the Clippers, for being basically a parasite franchise. Don’t have enough money to go see the Lakers? Well maybe the Clippers will do…
Anaheim would be good. SD would be better.
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I think you got confused way back there..............
I was responding to Titanfan2k when I said “is that a clippers comment”. And then you jumped in with a clippers comment and away we went. He brought up the Clippers like it was some kind of slap at the Lakers.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
It's just hard to resist taking a shot at the Clippers.
I loathe the way the team is run.
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too bad my boy Eric Gordon is rotting there.
He needs to come to Houston.
Except for Brand
who wishes he stayed
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yeah, they could have been good
Camby
Brand
Kaman
Gordon
Thornton
nothing ever seems to go right for them
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I mean by the way, that the Clippers are aiming low.
It’s like if I set up an NBA team in SA, or Portland. Wouldn’t that seem weak to you? Those are two of the most passionate fan bases in the US, and only have 1 major sports team.
Well LA has no NFL, and 2 MLB. It seems like people are most passionate about the Lakers.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
All Laker fans are bandwagoners???. that's pretty weak.
Especially for a Titan fan. :-)
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please
if Donald Sterling owned tha lakers and never spent money and tha Clippers had Kobe, Shaq, Magic, and all tha history and great players, tha Clippers would be tha #1 team in LA w/o a doubt. I’m not sayin all Laker fans are bandwagoners, but having 2 teams to choose from must be nice. and I’ll assume that Titan fan comment was a joke cuz of tha smiley face, but for tha record, I was a fan when they were tha Houston Oilers and I coulda done tha easy thing and jumped ship to tha Cowboys but I stuck w/ em. dammit i hate tha cowboys
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
that's a convoluted argument
so LA fans should be penalized because the owner is smart and spends money, and the team has a winning tradition? i guess there’s more character grinding away in mediocrity in a small market- does that what makes a real fan?
no1 is penalized
and I’m not saying there are no real Lakers fans. but there are ALOT of bandwagon laker fans and you cant sit there and tell me that if tha Clippers had all that tradition that tha fanbases would be what they are today.
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
That doesn't make sense.
I Donald Sterling was a different owner the team would have succeeded in SD.
They don’t have Kobe and Shaq etc because they didn’t draft them and because good players don’t like playing there.
He’s not, and Clippers are a joke. Lakers were there long before he was, and they’ve pretty much always have been good.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
Okay, back to talking basketball.
The Rockets couldn’t take advantage of the early foul trouble of the Lakers in the 2nd quarter and maintain the lead. They played with a lot less intensity in the second half.
The Lakers simply wanted this one more. Another good night from Kobe, but this time we didn’t stop the role players.
The point guards are going to have to learn to ball handle better
They haven’t played well the last two games. Lots of overdribbling, deferring to Artest, not getting the ball to Yao.
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 9, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
The thing is...
Every defense has a certain philosophy. The Rockets have an amazing defense, but in this entire series, they’ve keyed in on protecting the paint and playing great help D. There wasn’t a huge shift in defensive philosophy today. Many of the same shots Lamar and Ariza hit were missed in Games 1 and 2. I wonder if Adelman will adjust or not. My guess is unlikely – the Lakers have still stunk it up from 3-point land overall
The turnovers killed us too.
Been a problem for us the whole series.
We basically got beat with jumpers. It sucks, but I wouldn't rely on it if I was LA.
We also turn the ball over way too much. And I swear to God, I must have seen 10 point blank shots bounce out. Just frustrating.
I think LA had a couple of good plans.
1. Make Houston pay for help D on Kobe. I wouldn’t rely on 3 Lamar Odom 3s, (or 11 overall) but it worked tonight.
2. Left a big man underneath (for many many seconds it seemed but I digress) what that did was admit that LA’s PGs couldn’t stay with Houston’s so there was always help underneath.
One complaint I will make is on interior reffing. I don’t know how Gasol guards Yao for a whole game and gets 1 foul on him. I saw Yao’s shots go straight up on several occasions, and that can’t be right.
The F2 on Artest was bogus. I only saw the Vujatich play on Wafer once, it looked like he lead with his elbow into his head (funny how that happens “accidentally” with him so much). But I didn’t see the replays, so I’m not positive.
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vujacic did nothing.
wafer jumped into him, trying to draw the foul. He got up and waved off his team-mates who were angry. he knew he drew the contact.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
and it almost could have gone the other way. Had Vujacic kept his hands up.
exactly. as usual
JVG was right, as he almost always is. JVG is hip-hop.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll just point out that I did ask.
I know Wafer was trying to draw contact. That’s part of the game. It’s how the contact comes. If that play just happened that way, then fine.
It makes me feel better, because there’s a sense of being jobbed when you see that (and no more replays) and then Artest gets booted on what looked like a F1 at most.
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i agree.
mostly cuz he is a rockets homer, but his analysis is mostly spot-on.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Artest’s foul was a good playoff foul. Nothing more, not even a Flagrant 1.
Wafer literally leapt horizontally into Sasha, creating all the contact. Sasha’s hand did come down, but it was a fairly normal basketball motion (he did hit Wafer’s head, but Wafer initiated the contact in the first place, and any intelligent basketball player tries to avoid a 4-point play in that situation).
just poor execution.
if ron-ron had been driving and posting up in the third instead of jacking up threes, we would have been closer and it would have set up a big 4th.
then in the 4th
kobe d-ed up on ron-ron and showed why he made first team all nba defense (damn him) hah
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
So far in three games,
I will say that the Rockets defense has very effective in slowing down the Laker’s halfcourt offense. The only mistakes we have made on D are mostly leaving guys like Ariza and Walton open from outside, which is our best option since both are ice cold this series. The problem is that the Lakers force many turnovers and Brooks, Artest, and even Yao are very turnover prone.
Laker fans will obviously not agree with my analysis, but I do believe that we have a good a chance at any to win back a couple of games as long as we coordinate our offense better. Houston’s half court defense is too good to allow 90+ points for the Lakers, we can’t give them free baskets off turnovers. That said we need to adopt the do or die mentality we had in the first series.
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Nope, agreement here
Our entire philosophy hinges on pushing things to a breakneck pace and getting points in transition. Houston’s half-court D is too damn good.
You guys also got jack.
we don’t get many celebrities : [
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is that a bad thing?
celebs going to the games is part of what gives the Staples Center crowd a bad rap. I’ll take the hardcore fan any day over a celeb, whether he roots for my team or not.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
You guys do know that there are like 15 million people in the greater LA area and about 5000 are celebrities of some sort, right?
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I have to give Timberlake props here
He jumps around and screams like a little girl (a passionate fan of a little girl) every game
i gained my respect for JT
after watching him hooping. he’s a baller.
I know everyone in Houston is an astronaut, right?
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
Actually a friend of mine is on his SS detail.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
yes and some Chinese delegates who don't know basketball.
The Chinese consul in Houston always bring guests to courtside seats.
i think you mean
cowboy. we all ride horses and wear boots, stirrups, and cowboy hats.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I love to barbeque giant steaks, in the midst of a hurricane, if possible.
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ahem.............It's Mr. Jack.
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You have the greatest in your corner though
The Dream!
How sweet would it be if Kareem and Hakeem agreed to a sporting 1 on 1 match before Game 4? I haven’t seen Hakeem but Kareem is still in fantastic shape. All that Bruce Lee stuff must keep you young.
If he played Mr. Jack's role
i’d have no complaints
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at least in 2007, the Dream still has his moves
He was showing Yao the ropes in the off season.
We had one Destiny's other children singing the national anthem...
I know – wow!
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HAHA
i love how anyone not named beyonce is “one of the other children”
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I think if we hit WCF she might come, and even bring her famous hubby.
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to me, it seemed
like in game 1 they would take those open shots as long as Kobe was contested every step of the way. It made them look better because they werent hitting them. Now they are.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
“all Laker fans are bandwagoners – Titanfan2k”
“I’m not sayin all Laker fans are bandwagoners, but – Titanfan2k”
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
I went hyperboleing one time, I had three strikes and a gutterball.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
yeah, kinda like regularboleing, but faster.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
don't get bent out of shape, I'm just having a little fun with you...
you gotta admit the two statements together look pretty funny.
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So....Rockets next game, then LA wins at home, and hopefully Rox win at home again.
And we get game 7. but Rockets are horrible in game 7s.
game 7
I’ll take it against a good team like this. it means we got a shot. anything can happen in a game 7
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
Your prediction is not ridiculous, but we are 3-0 this year IN Houston.
But I know, I know this is the playoffs, regular season doesn’t count…..
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
depends on the mental toughness of the Rockets.
We are not good at playing catch-up, both in games or in series.
Most defensive minded teams aren't good at catching up.
I think if both teams play well the Lakers win. It seems to me like the Lakers don’t have to try too hard so they don’t. The Rockets do have to play hard so they do.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
agreed.
if we a legitimate perimeter threat (not T-Mac) it would be a completely different series.
by TheGreatWall on May 9, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
by legitimate
i meant young, capable of playing 35-40 minutes a night. Barry’s good for a three or 2 a night and veteran leadership, but thats it.
This is when we miss a healthy TMac.
Sure you Lakers don’t want to spot us Kobe? Just to be sporting?
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Old Kobe??? sure
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Possibly
Yao’s a stud though. Gritted it out through pain again. When Scola came in the game, Yao completely ignored him. Just didn’t want to leave. That’s heart.
Agreed, Yao is a stud
They just need to take the Phoenix training staff because they do wonders with all kinds of injuries.
Off-topic
What does the Phx staff do that others cant? I have chronic injuries so I’m really interested in their approach.
They keep it a secret but I really don't know what they do
but they’ve brought in so many guys who’ve had injury plagued careers and made them suddenly healthy enough to play the entire regular season.
sounds like steroids to me
if what PHX is doin happened in basbeall there’d be a full investigation within a week
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
agreed. Yao is a warrior, and a star.
but we cant win a championship with just him. Just like we couldn’t win one with just Dream. They can’t impact the game and get their shot whenever they want it like a perimeter player can.
I think you guys got the pieces together but the front office just needs
to figure out what to do with Tracy McGrady. If Tracy McGrady is motivated, in shape, and injury free, your team are serious contenders.
i think they will trade T-Mac
if he is healthy. Teams will take him for the expiring contract, maybe for a Rip Hamilton kind-of guy. A star point guard would help, but no where to be found.
Nah nah nah
Yao’s a stud. Hakeem is a legend.
Hakeem with this Rockets roster could have won a championship, I really believe that. You think he’d disappear for stretches like Yao does? I know most of it is the entry passers fault, but Hakeem is top 2 centers of all time in my opinion. On a completely different level.
for a die-hard Yao fan
I still have to agree with that.
Hakeem was nimble and he was athletic and skillful.
Yao has flashes of his skillsets and moves. but he’s athletically challenged.
exactly
they are 2 completely different types of centers.
I think Yao is a fantastic athlete.
No one has ever seen a guy that big be that graceful.
Hakeem is a unique player, like Magic or Bird. No one is “like” them,
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yup Yao will probably not make it into the HOF
but he will without a doubt go down as the most offensively skilled center after Kareem. Considering his frame and size, it is more than what anyone had hoped for when they drafted him.
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More than the Dream? Really?
I get that he’s a better shooter, but the Dream Shake…the most unstoppable offensive move after the skyhook. I can’t put Yao above that.
You may have a point
but Yao has much more range than Hakeem, although he doesn’t use it much.
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As Shaq once said about Hakeem:
“He’s got above 5 moves and 4 countermoves, that gives him about 20 different moves. He’s unstoppable.”
Yao’s not in that league. He’s got a couple great moves, but he can’t impose his will on the game the way a transcendent player can.
lol sorry didn't mean to attack
I’ve argued for Hakeem so long I forget this is a Rockets blog, I really dont need to be that passionate
its alright man
I’m probably too biased to giving him leeway due to his physical handicap.
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speaking of physical handicap
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exactly.
Yao may have the range but he cant create that shot by himself. Dream could get any shot he wanted, whenever.
Yes
Hakeem had a face up game too. It’s impossible for Yao to go past anyone facing their frontside.
With the exception of
Him going behind the back around Shareef lol
no way.
most offensively skilled? that’s crazy to say.
I can see the argument for the top 2
but it’s way too generous for me. I’d put him top 5. I can’t really decide between Shaq, Wilt, the Captain, Dream, or Russell.
If we're talking about skilled
its between him and Kareem, and no one else. Besides height, Yao is not as physically blessed as the others. Guys like Shaq and Russel could EXplode off the ground, and Hakeem could go around anyone with his agility.
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Top 2: Kareem and Hakeem
Wilt and Russell are too hard to compare, because they played in such a different era. 6-8 teams, breakneck pace, no real other big men (it’d be like playing against Udonis Haslem nightly).
I tend to agree.
Some people look at Wilts stats and are dazzled, but he could never put up those numbers, or play those minutes in the modern game. Some may argue that to the death, but I’m sticking to my position.
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Wilt couldn't win a title
until he played a supporting role to West/Baylor, who were unquestionably the best 2/3 ever after MJ/Pip. That says to me a lot about Wilt. I agree, he wouldn’t have been nearly that great in the 90s.
From what I saw.
Magic could play anywhere. He was just most devastating a point.
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Agree, Magic is the man and could play every position
and could dominate every position which is why I just really hate it when the media just crowns Michael Jordan as the best player ever.
Magic to me
was a symbol of the joy in basketball.
His teams won, and they did it with style. Those LA Boston matchups were amazing.
So maybe you’ll believe me when I say I’m not a bone-deep Laker hater. ;)
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It's hard not to believe you when you phrase
Magic as a symbol of the joy in basketball. What a dead on description of the man.
Because of what he did, I can forgive him for going over to ESPN’s craptacular studio show. He should have stayed at TNT, though.
Wilt and Russell were different eras
but they put video game numbers.
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I agree,
Hakeem never actually had this level of supporting cast. He had a good one, and the last hurrah for Clyde.
But in Morey we trust. I want him to bring us a Rondo, and some muscle at center. Another SG wouldn’t hurt.
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Also, championship teams are usually built around post players
more than perimeter players. Isn’t that the old adage that MJ broke? But it’s true, post players are much easier to build around.
Not really because MJ was the premier post player of his era
He was, by far, one of the best post players in the league when he was winning all those championships. So even though he was a guard, he still operated mostly in the midrange and in the paint for the bulk of his career.
easier to build around
yes. But i cant think of too many teams with no legitimate perimeter threat and a star center who won many O’Brien trophys.
What about the old Rockets?
They had great 3-point shooters, yes. But not really anyone who could create the way T-Mac or Kobe can. They were mostly spot up shooters.
Put the Dream on this Rockets team, and Battier, Brooks…all these guys will look like they were made to shoot 3’s. The Dream just soaked in all the defensive attention and made the game so easy for everyone else.
yea, but position-wise
he was still a guard. look at every other championship team in tha past 30 years and look at tha rosters. all had a great bigman.
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The Detroit teams were an exception to those old adages
but other than that, there was definitely a big man that made the game easier for the perimeter players.
The Bad Boys didn't.
But they had an enforcer in Laimbeer.
i'm not debating that fact.
but how many had ONLY a great bigman?
I can only think of one team and that was the
Blazers team when Bill Walton was there and won the MVP. I think that was the ’77 team or close to it.
true.
Walton was a beast before the foot injury, but proves my point. 1?
I'm trying to think back to the Minneapolis Lakers
to see if George Mikan had anyone supporting him but that’s way too long ago for my small brain.
haha
i don’t go back that far either, but my point is without that good perimeter shooter who is reliable, its not gonna happen. Artest is not that, as much as we want him to be. He trys, and has good nights like Game 2 or bad like tonight.
Mikan had Pollard
A very underrated, great guard
Moses Malone would qualify as the dominant big man inside though
and as his perimeter players he had Dr. J, Maurice Cheeks, and a young Charles Barkley as a supporting player.
exactly.
my point wasnt that there were none with only big-men, but much less then teams with just perimeter guys.
Maurice Lucas was on that Blazers team
with Walton, I’m pretty sure. A thumper. Rick Mahorn was the main enforcer for the Pistons dirty, i mean, great teams.
completely agree
what Hakeem did in ’94 was amazing. 1 star and all role players around him. then u look at shaq and all of his titles had great guards w/ him
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I'm not too sure about Rockets history but didn't you guys
get Clyde the Glide that year? I think Clyde would qualify as more than a role player.
they won in 94
without clyde. in 95 with him
I've said it many times before:
Hakeem did something even MJ couldn’t do: he won a title with essentially a bunch of scrubs. Put MJ on that 94 team, and I highly doubt a championship team would result.
scrubs?
horry, cassel(rookie), otis thorpe, vernon maxwell? they arent scrubs to me.
I think even us Lakers fans can agree that
Robert Horry was no scrub. He’s still got lots of love from LA.
thats not entirely true
kenny smith also. scrubs dont make game-winners consistently. If they were really scrubs, Dream would have been triple teamed consistenly
I think a majority of us can't fathom Kenny Smith
doing anything productive for the Rockets after all those hilarious Inside the NBA segments where they just roast Jet.
Scrubs may be a harsh word
What I meant to say – Hakeem did it with nothing close to an All-Star in 94.
Weren’t Horry and Cassell rookies too?
cassell was
horry had one year experience http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/1994.html
i have a hard time forgiving horry
for all that thuggery towards tha end of his career w/ tha spurs
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Think of the championships here.
That will help. He never wanted to leave Houston, either.
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I was pretty young when those happened
all I see when I think robert horry is him checkin steve nash
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199406220HOU.html
that doesn’t look like a bunch a scrubs to me, just for the record haha
I miss old kobe
back when he had tha mini-afro and wore number 8. I actually kinda liked him then
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yeah, but that was manufactured
as a fan, even i know he’s a bit of a sociopath… let him be the mamba
even a healthy T-Mac isnt that same.
he wouldn’t play within the offense, and we would be forced to deal with his “heat-checks” one to four times a night.
Oh I don't think it's the same.
But there’s always the possibility that every heat check goes in. He’s one of the few guys who can simply devastate the scoreboard when he’s on.
The problem is those nights are fewer and fewer.
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When T-Mac drives, good things happen.
Sadly he doesn’t do it enough.
but more clearly than that
i remember the blotched wide open layups
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Things were really going wrong for him.
He’s a delicate player in several ways. If he comes back healthy, and knows his limitations (something Kobe completely understands BTW) he’ll be ok. He has the jumper to be very effective for a long time.
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maybe if he starts
putting some arc on that shot since he no longer has the elevation to make those flat shots. im amazed he hasn’t hit yao on the back of the head on those pick n rolls.
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I think he'll get some lift back.
Maybe not the lift of old, but some.
The question really goes to his outlook, and whether he accepts a new role and way to play. I have my doubts.
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Yup
If he can settle for Von Wafer’s 6th man role off the bench with maybe 27-30 minutes a night he could be deadly.
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its his contract year
we’ve seen crazier shit from contract players
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Egads.
We might see him play within the offense.
How devastating could THAT be?
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Batshit crazy
thats what it woul dbe.
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dont hold your breath
I still think they’re gonna trade him this offseason. i know there will be 1 desperate team this year that’ll wanna dump salary, but they’ll still be able to tell their fans “hey look, we got tmac!” just to sell some jerseys and tickets, much like detroit w/ AI.
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
there is no way
they trade him in the offseason. Why would we sell low? If he hasnt played no one will want him, If he comes back and proves he is healthy, we will get more for him, possibly an impact player.
Artest video lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8GzOgnkWfE
Is Ron Artest the most fun player in the league to interview? He’s got to be up there. I’d be annoyed with pap and cameras following me everywhere, but he takes it all in stride and jokes around with the guys.
He’s one of the few I’ve seen not to make fun of Craig Saiger, which says a lot.
"Hakeem was a small forward in a center's body"
That’s the best description I’ve ever heard. So quick, flawless footwork, could guard perimeter players as well as post players.
Hakeem was just a basketball player
he woulda been great no matter what size he was, wether it be a 7 foot center or a 6’3" guard
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Speaking of physical limitations for Yao
Short arms.
Flat foot (no arch)
and he’s deaf in his left ear!
Not a physical limitation, but he had to learn English on the job, too.
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oh yea what was it
7’2" wingspan?
"Hip-Thrust!" - Hard Gay
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Well, I'm leaving the field to PST.
Tonight sucked. I think we will win Sunday. (Without Artest…all bets off.)
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if artest gets suspended
can the rockets protest?
if he is suspended
i hope Stern wakes up with a horse head in his bed.
if he's suspended
I hope a horse wakes up w/ stern’s head in its bed
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yea but if that happened
stern will have already framed artest for his murder
"We dont care if we have witnesses confirming that Artest was still in Houston
we got his DNA all over tha place. we also have DNA confirming that he killed Kennedy and Jon Benet Ramsey."
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
and was the one
really driving oj’s bronco
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