A lesson on What Not To Do
Bill Simmons links to a "spirited defense of Shawn Bradley" in one of his latest Twitter posts. It's actually a bit of an interesting read, but I think it's also a great example of the use of bad statistics (specifically a single argument I've grown to hate over years of reading boring arguments about who should and shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame). It also is a pretty cool opportunity to play with Basketball Reference's search feature.
Now, don't get me wrong: I pretty much agree with Mr. Shawn-Bradley-Lover. Bradley wasn't a great center, but he was alright. He developed into a pretty good defender as time went on, and (so long as you weren't building a franchise around him) he was a good guy to have on your team. He was average.
Anyways...
In reality, not only did Shawn Bradley have a solid eight year run to begin his career, but the three-year stretch between 1995-1996 and 1997-1998 were pretty remarkable. Even Tommy Boy and the "one and a-half percent of his brain" that he uses can understand that the following Bradley stat is pretty impressive:
Between 1996-1998, Shawn Bradley was the only Center in the NBA to average at least 11.4 points and 8.1 rebounds while appearing in at least 64 games each season (click here for the basketball-reference.com supporting data.)
Now, if there was anything really valuable in life that reading Bill James teaches you, it's that when somebody says "Only Willie Mays and Player X have career statistics Y and Z," you need to immediately question pretty much everything about that statement.
So, when Mr. Bradley-Lover says, "Only Bradley averaged at least 11.4 points, 8.1 rebounds, and 64 games from '96 to '98," we need to ask a few things:
1) Why did Mr. B-L choose such specific numbers?
2) How close were other players?
3) Does it matter that other players don't make those cutoffs?
So, why did Mr. B-L choose 11.4 pts, 8.1 rebs, and 64 games? Because those are Bradley's minimum stats in each category from the '95-'96 to '97-'98. Now, that's not really shocking, and there's nothing wrong with this. It's just that we need to know that what Mr. B-L is really claiming here is "No other player produced as much as Bradley from '96 to '98."
We can answer #2 and #3 simultaneously. Essentially, these cutoffs are arbitrary. They don't mean anything. Let's pick another player: one who appears twice on Mr. B-L's search query on BRef. What about our friend Dikembe Mutombo?
From '96 to '98, Dikembe Mutombo never appeared in less than 74 games in a season. He never averaged less than 11 points per game, nor less than 11.4 rebounds. If we search for that combination, only four individual seasons fit our criteria from '96 to '98: Mutombo's three seasons, and David Robinson's '96 season.
What about Hakeem? Well, he was injured in the '98 season, so his numbers are off. Still, he never averaged fewer than 16.4 pts/g, 9,2 rebounds, and 47 games. And the only other players who meet those criteria in all three seasons are Shaq and Alonzo Mourning. Pretty good company, right (of course, that's to be expected. Both are almost certain HoF-ers, and Hakeem was pretty good, too)?
Sabonis: never fewer than 13.4 points, 7.9 rebounds, and 69 games. And he's the only one to do it during those years.
The point is this: if you take enough of a pretty good player's stats, and you set them as the bare minimum for some arbitrary group across a long enough time period (corresponding to that player's peak), you'll probably narrow it down to a group of about four players, at most. With starting centers, the group is so small that you can probably narrow it down to one or two almost every time. Things get dicey with guards, but whatever.
For instance: which forwards averaged at least 80 games, 9.9 points, 4.1 rebounds, and had at least a .442 FG% from 2005 to 2007? Only Shane Battier, Tayshaun Prince, Shawn Marion, and Memo Okur. Ah, but who did all that on less than 8 FGA/G? Only our man Shane. Clearly, Shane Battier was having a truly remarkable three years. Even Tommy Boy could see it.
So we can answer the questions I asked above. How close were other players? Pretty close, actually. If you reduce pts/g by 0.1, you can add Dikembe into the Mr. B-L's group, and if you set the criteria as Deke's points and rebounding stats, then you throw everyone else out, including Bradley.
And it doesn't matter that the players who come close don't make the cutoff, either. I showed that you could isolate Sabonis, Deke, and even Battier (ten years later) if you set the averages right. It only matters if the criteria are meaningful.
When someone says, "Tracy McGrady was the only forward to average at least 67 games, 25.7 pts/g, 6.0 reb/g, and 5.5 ast/g from 2003 to 2005," that's impressive and meaningul because the criteria are impressive and meaningful.
But Bradley's 11.4 points and 8.1 rebounds are not particularly impressive stats for a center, and so the group created by those stats in that time period isn't impressive. Despite what the linked article states, the fact that Bradley produced at least 67 games per year of 11.4 points and 8.1 rebounds from '96 to '98 is not "pretty impressive." It's underwhelming. It's evidence of mediocrity. It's evidence that maybe such a player should not have been taken #2 in the '93 draft. But the argument sounds good because it's presented in the right way. Look at Sabonis's numbers again. Yeah, he was the only guy who had at least 69 games of 13.4/7.9 basketball, but does that scream "impressive" to you? If it does, it's only because it's presented alongside "and he was the only one to do it." Without some more context, that doesn't matter much.
So, the lesson to take from this is that, by carefully manipulating the data you select and wording your argument properly, you can make almost any player look like an all-star. Please use this knowledge only for good.
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I see what you mean
Shawn Bradley was arguably statistically better than every other lottery pick Center drafted between 1993-2000.
… Only one other real center was taken 2nd overall in that period, and that was Marcus Camby. I’m not sure what part of Camby’s career averages of 10pts 10 reb 2.6 blks and 3 fouls in 30 minutes per game is worse than Bradley’s 8pts 6 reb and 3 fouls in 23 minutes a game. Surely being able to stay on the floor for long periods of time is a good thing?
I’m not even going to start on the fact that Shawn Bradley’s presence didn’t really deter slashers from going to the hole (rather everyone went for his jugular).
I do get this guy’s point that Shawn Bradley is probably not the complete bust that people mostly think he is considering he was probably the best center prospect in his draft class, but those statistics that compare Bradley’s strengths at his peak to other centers at their lowest (Vlade’s offense, an injured Ilgauskas) is pretty ridiculously pathetic. I mean hell even Calbert Cheaney put up better numbers than Kobe did in 96-97.
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as he points out, a big reason why his cutoffs work is because those three years were kinda bad years for centers. Hakeem, Ewing, and Mourning were injured in ‘98. Robinson was injured in ’97 (the luckiest sports injury of all time). Shaq never appeared in more than 60 games in any of those three years. If you’re the “best” center in a span of three years when all the other great centers have at least one injured season, it’s just not that impressive. And a good case could be made that Deke was the best center during that span, anyways.
The real question is “What is a bust?” I think the general idea is that, if you’re a top-five pick, you have to have at least a few all-star quality seasons (not that you have to go to the ASG, just that you could appear in the ASG an no one would say “WTF is he doing here?”) to be a non-bust. I don’t think Bradley ever really had a season like that. Viewed independently from his draft position, there’s no reason for the ridicule. But the guy was a much-hyped NBA prospect, and much more was (unfairly) expected from him. So he’s a bust.
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Rememeber what Mark Twain said
“There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics.”
That said, the most important statistic for Bradley was his PPG, or Posters Per Game. This statistic measures how often he landed himself in a poster, being dunked on by those slashers going for his jugular you mentioned.
In this category, he excelled:

Lord, but Yao looks so damn skinny in that photo. What a difference four years of NBA training and conditioning make.
by DribbleHooper on Jun 7, 2009 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes sir it is.
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