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Houston Rockets 2009-2010: Are we over/under-rating what the team will be?


I've been called an eternal optimist around here before.  Mostly because I've always want to believe that this team could do things like the 22 game winning streak, or taking LA to 7 games.  In the life of this blog that optimism has been proven to be "correct" if there is a such thing.  It's also been proven to be wrong (Utah 2 years ago and Yao's injuries) pretty often as well.  This is called being a fan, though you could easily be a pessimist and be just as big of a fan (ask Dave).  The team, provided there is solid management and coaching will have it's ups and downs, all teams do.  The great Celtics went forever between Larry Bird and a championship.  The Lakers have had plenty of droughts as well.  The Rockets, as a upper middle half team historically will take more lumps than those two teams, but that's just life. 

I've seen everything from "this team will suprise people in the play-offs" to "This team will have a shot at John Wall".  Granted any lottery team would "have a chance" but I suspect that wasn't the point of that comment.  To get to my opinion let's look at how the team stands right now:

Star-divide

FA:  Von Wafer
Retired: Dikembe Mutombo
Lost via FA:  Ron Artest

Injured:  Yao Ming (entire season), Tracy McGrady (half the season)

Under Contract
PG:  Aaron Brooks (3 more years), Kyle Lowry (2 more years)
SG: Shane Battier (2 more years), Brent Barry (1 more year)
SF:Trevor Ariza (5 more years), James White (2 more years)
PF:Luis Scola (1 more year), Carl Landry (2 more years), Chuck Hayes (2 more years)
C:  Joey Dorsey (3 more years though he's really not a C)f

Rookies that may sign:

SG:  Jermaine Taylor
SF:  Chase Budinger

Doesn't count:  Brian Cook

Point Guard:  I feel like the Rockets are set here.  That doesn't mean that if Rubio was offered to me I wouldn't trade just about anything on the team (not Scola) to get him, but overall, I'm happy going into the season with an upper half point guard tandem.  Both guys could start in the NBA and both guys bring different talents to the floor for a given match-up.  Last year I wanted Lowry to start because the offense needed his balance.  This year the offense is Brooks, Scola and whatever cuts Ariza makes.  So ABZ is the answer as the starting 1, and a lot of teams wish that was the case, so I certianly will not (nor want to) complain about it. 

Shooting Guard:  There are four wild cards here.  1.  Will Shane Battier be traded before the season and 2.  Can Jermaine Taylor step in this year and contribute at SG right away.  3.  Does Von Wafer resign? 4.  When does McGrady come back/is he traded?
1.  With Battier that isn't speculation on my part.  I do not have a lot of inside sources, but the few I do have say that the Rockets are actually listening to offers for Battier.  Not openly shopping him mind you, but last year they didn't even listen simply telling teams he was untouchable before they spoke.  Battier himself has said he thinks he's gone and that was never a thought of his before. 
2.  Jermaine Taylor looks like a player, especially on the offensive end.  His shot isn't falling right now, but his body positioning and offensive talents are evident.  Is he ready to step in day 1?  Probably not, but the Rockets have 4 months to make him that player. 
3.  Von Wafer is going to be a Houston Rocket, I feel very strongly about that.  This has all the makings of Landry last year.  Agent upset about not getting respect, but the simple fact is that Daryl Morey is a very respectful guy, he's just not stupid.  He doesn't bid against himself, and he knows good and well that Wafer likes it in Houston and knows that Houston gave him a chance when no one else would.  The Rockets will ultimately get him at a very cheap salary (I'd say much less than Landry's 3/$9MM). 
4.  Good old Tracy McGrady.  He seems like a whipping boy around here this year.  That was never the case before.  We've all loved him in our own ways for a long time.  I think it's just as simple as a set of circumstances that were poorly approached by him, but that's another post.  Is McGrady traded?  Does he come back and play?  I wish I had the answer.  If he is traded it will be for a big name or for young players with talent and draft picks.  No matter what though, Morey will give himself the most flexibility he possibly can while also making the future as positive as he can.
So there are basically 2 scenarios I see here that are likely.  1.  Battier is the opening day starter and 2.  Battier is traded and Rudy FernandezWafer or Taylor is the starter.  In the first case the Rockets are in better shape overall for THIS season.  In the second I believe Wafer would be the starter and they'd bring Taylor along with a lot of playing time.  Mid season you could get McGrady back, maybe even a little earlier.  If this is the case, McGrady will be starting.  Morey will want to maximize his value at the trade deadline and at that point he'll decide if he likes his trade options or if he simply wants to let McGrady's contract expire. 

Small Forward:  Trevor Ariza is the future here.  Yes, he will play some SG, but he's a true SF in my opinion and given the Rockets options I think it makes the most sense to play him here and Battier at the 2.  It's semantics though, as Battier will guard the other teams best player between the 2 and 3 and neither of them are true shooting guards.  James White will have plenty of opportunities to show what he is made of between now and the first game of the season.  Either way he will get some second team reps during the season to show if he can score even half as well as he did in the D league.  This position has a lot of what ifs, but ultimately it is the Trevor Ariza show and he'll have to prove he was worth this much money.  I'm coming around, but I can guarantee you that last year I had more confidence when this was the Battier/Artest show.  That's in no way to say Ariza can't do it, just that I want to see it with my own two eyes, and I really hope I do.

Power Forward:  This spot on the court is as solid as any 1, 2 punch in the NBA.  Both guys could start depending on a teams make - up, and they both care about basketball in unhealthy ways.  Scola is a top 10 PF and he'll likely climb that chart this year as he will be expected to be the star.  That's a role that he can and will fill.  I've said it for almost 2 years now, he can score 20 points a game in this league and he will prove me right this year.  I expect a huge season from him, 20/10 is what I think he's easily capable of.  Without Artest taking wild shots, and with being the focal point in the post he is going to absolutely take off.  Carl Landry will be used some at the 5 and possibly even the 3 (a spot I think he'd do well), and will provide a spark off the bench as he always does.  A season removed from getting shot should help him mentally return to himself.  I have no concerns at power forward.  And for all of you on Morey about not getting a backup center and acting like it was the Rockets number on concern, please allow me to tell you that you are insane.  The Rockets have needed a power forward since Barkley retired.  Daryl Morey has delivered a top 10 guy and a versatile guy.  That is what the team needed more than anything.  And you know what?  That's not even taking into account Chuck Hayes who is a defensive dynamo and has more often than not helped the team.  I'm listing him at center though for discussion purposes.

Center:  Okay, so the Rockets are non-existent thin here.  Having Dikembe Mutombo finally retire and yao go down for what may be forever, tend to cause issues like that.  They had the same problem when Hakeem left.  And you know what they did?  They gave Kelvin Cato roughly 8 trillion dollars to suck completely.  Many of you are angry about the Rockets not having this spot filled.  Apparently you think that because the PG (always a problem pre-Morey) and PF (same) have 2 starter quality players that every spot should.  Newsflash, most teams don't have back ups for their superstars that can step in right away, no matter how brittle that player is.  Ask yourself, who plays for Kobe if he's out for a season?  How about Lebron?  DWade?  Dirk?  The point is, the Rockets rolled the dice (and frankly with no other real choice) on Yao's health because it was the absolute best chance at getting a ring.  It came up craps, but they still had a shot at the championship.  Anyway, that's not the point of this post, so I digress.  The Rockets are starting the season (as of today) with Chuck Hayes as their starting center.  Considering Joey Dorsey is the other option Chuck has to be the starter.  That's not to say that Dorsey can't develop, quite the contrary, he can, it's just to say he's small too.    Dorey does have the athletic ability to play the 5, even though he's 6'9.  Now, he's not Bill Russell but the average height of the NBA center does seem to have come down, and the overall quantity of quality centers is at an all time low.  (On a side note, given all the hormones that people take and the taller than ever height of everyone, isn't it odd that there aren't more dominant 7 footers like Shaq and DHo?)  So this is the worst spot on the court going into the season.  That's not to knock Chuck Hayes, just to say Chuck is a PF playing center and Dorsey is a project that could still pan out. 

Overall:  Gven the Rockets are good/great at the 4, solid/good at the 1 and either 2 or 3, potentially lottery bound at the 2 or 3 and the 5, where does that leave the team.  Seriously, look at that.  There is depth, but it's specific depth.  There is an excess of potential, but it's 2 years off potential.  McGrady is potentially the best player of the bunch but is out until mid-season/may be traded.  Scola could have an All Star year, this is absolutely true.  But can this team do more than 41 wins?  I say yes, it can, but I don't think it will do much more if it does.  My opinion, after really having time to look at it is that, given how it stands today, this is a lottery bound team.  Late pick lottery, but still lottery bound.

With that lottery prediction, that's as it stands today.  What we've learned from day 1 of Daryl Morey (Shane Battier trade, I don't care what anyone says, he did that) is that he can make the team better with 1 or 2 moves and he will if they make sense to the cap and the flexibility for the future.  It's a testament to him that I'm even talking about this subject.  As of right now the Rockets have $71,245,249 in payroll.  They are under the luxury tax mark and only have $35,423,040 under contract going into the sweepstakes year of 2010.  Ariza is the only player with a contract past 2011/12.  They also have $39,617,886 (55.6%) of injuries sitting on the bench unable to contribute.  And yet, some of you are extremely bullish on their chances to make the playoffs.  That's pretty impressive if you ask me and flexibility is something Daryl Morey has created, it absolutely was not something that was given to him. 

 

So I ask you, what is your predicition for the seasongiven how the team stands today (we'll do this again if/when a trade happens)?

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Your prediction for the season:
1-20 wins
19 votes
21-30 wins
74 votes
31-40 wins
386 votes
41-50 wins
642 votes
51-60 wins also known as the "I'm delusional" section
140 votes

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Many of you are angry about the Rockets not having this spot filled. Apparently you think that because the PG (always a problem pre-Morey) and PF (same) have 2 starter quality players that every spot should. Newsflash, most teams don’t have back ups for their superstars that can step in right away, no matter how brittle that player is. Ask yourself, who plays for Kobe if he’s out for a season? How about Lebron? DWade? Dirk? The point is, the Rockets rolled the dice (and frankly with no other real choice) on Yao’s health because it was the absolute best chance at getting a ring. It came up craps, but they still had a shot at the championship.

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by misterterrific on Jul 14, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you

now all of the retarded “i hate daryl morey since yao and t-mac are injured” people can have a nice hot glass of STFU

13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.

by Duhoh on Jul 14, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

With the projected starting lineup of Brooks,Battier,Ariza,Scola & Dorsey or new center, I would have to agree that were lottery bound. This is a great defensive & chemistry team but not enough offense to save us from the lottery. We need a scorer at SG & let Battier come off the bench! Taylor is a rookie, so not happening & Wafer is not coming back, so unless we trade for Rudy or someone else….

by sarppeva on Jul 14, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey

“realism” =/= “pessimism”

FU, Lee. ;-)

by grungedave on Jul 14, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Morey......

FIND US A CENTER!!!!!!

by kmbrly429 on Jul 14, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Only thing that will motivate me...would be a blockbuster trade

I want Amare & Richardson for any of the following players T-Mac,Landry,Scola,Dorsey

Brooks
Richardson
Ariza
Amare
New Center

Now that motivates me for next year, otherwise….I’m pessimistic

by sarppeva on Jul 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you're not our GM

I would be much more depressed about the Rockets with Richardson and Amare than what we currently have.

by forshizzzle on Jul 14, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rockets are a microcosm for life in general...

Some years you have it good, some years you have it bad. If you take the long view, the Rockets have been insulated against truly painful years for a long time. Other than the two years immediately following Hakeem’s leaving, we were always decent. Not many other franchises have that long a stretch of a viability.

Like the economy, some natural contraction is bound to happen somewhere. In that contraction, teams get younger, they get hungrier and they improve.

We’re there folks. Without any projections about how we will fare next season, we are at the point when we say “this just isn’t our year.” I don’t know about you all, but it’s been a while since I’ve said that in the pre-season.

With that said, I expect this team to be good enough for me to watch without pain. Without expectation, but without cringing. I would happily watch the team that got eliminated in 7 against the Lakers scrap their way through 82 games, even if they end up in the lottery.

We’ve got heart, we’ve got coaching, we’ve got smart management. There isn’t much else we could ask for —other than luck.

Too bad that’s the category we struck out on a long time ago.

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by pj.ibi.est on Jul 14, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course this is my first year with season tix

But I thnk Houston has enough talent to not be a lottery team. Unless we WANT to be one.

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by Xiane on Jul 14, 2009 1:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Battier Not Going Anywhere, Von probably gone

Morey from an interview with Aldridge: “he (Scola) and Shane are going to be the leaders next year.”

You don’t trade your veteran team leader especially with so many young players on the team. Shane is staying for sure.

In another inteview Morey also said the Rockets will have to find a way to win without Yao, T-Mac, Artest, and Von. Unless it’s positioning for negotiations, it sounds like Wafer is gone as well.

by Sir Strange on Jul 14, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I still have hopes that we fill the holes before the season starts

But i just don’t see the talent available in FA to get it done. The good ones are already gone.

by mutombo4life on Jul 14, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

underrated!!!!!!!

we are underrated we have one of the best defenders off the league in shane battier i know hes 30 but i hope he stay with us until retirement bc houston fans know that not alot of players can do the thing he does, we have a young team with kyle, brooks, landry, dorsey, scola, ariza, Jermaine (who is better player then james w.) we need to build around them not yao, he might never come back so we should look some where else for a big man in da middle any fan knows dat every championship team needs a decent big man dat can score at least 20 or 18ppg but without that we’re not goin anywhere but the first round!!!! morey should get rid of Yao asap!!!!! dnt hate haters its just we dnt need a guy thats gonna get injured when we need him da most da fans r tired of seen him on da bench when we have a chance of a title!!!!! n i think if we had a Bosh type player we would be 08/09champs im sure alot of people might dissagree but atleast he can stay on the court, Mr. Morey needs to look else where for a big man Yaos future doesnt seem bright? unless we wanna keep losing in da first or second round then we’ll keep him but until i see him go a full year i have no confidence in him winning a champioship here!!!!!

by da_H on Jul 14, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Houston does have talent, and is still a good team

Even without Yao and T-Mac, this is still a decent team. Ariza and Artest are both better fits for their opposite teams (Kobe-Phil-Odom keep Artest under control; Ariza fits better into Houston’s team philosophy and gets room to grow). If Yao and T-Mac were not injured, this team is two deep at nearly every position.

However…. Houston plays in the Western Conference. And this decent roster is not enough to make the playoffs, much less make any noise in a 1st round matchup with the West heavyweights.

In the East, Houston could easily be a 5th seed or lower. But in the West, with teams like San Antonio, Dallas, Denver, Portland, and the Lakers, Houston is in the questionable field that involves Utah, Phoenix, New Orleans, Golden State, and the Clippers.

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by tandur on Jul 14, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

look at the bright side

where would we be without ariza atleast we got somethhing out of the free agency

by Arnob on Jul 14, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kaman?

First off, I totally agree with your assessment of Scola. One of the most underrated players in the league, who could be putting up way better numbers if not for his commitment to team basketball. For all the fantasy heads out there, Scola will average close to a double double this year, about 19 and 9 shooting 48 percent from the field and throw in 2-3 dimes as well.

Second, would anyone on here think trading Battier and Cook for Chris Kaman and Al Thornton is a good idea?

Thornton is relatively young, can give you a scoring punch off the bench, and comes off the books next season if he doesn’t work out. Kaman makes about $10 million per season and has 3 more years, but he’s offensively gifted and huge down low.

Thoughts?

by Dodgerblue15 on Jul 14, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

kaman has a trade kicker of 15 percent, has injury problems with his feet.

wait till december 15.

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by DOH on Jul 14, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because as dumb as the Clippers front office is, they're not THAT dumb

Chris Kamen when healthy is a top-10 center, and Al Thornton (for all his disappointing play) is a guy who can still put it in the hole. Battier + Cook for that. Hah! That would barely fetch Marcus Camby alone.

Scola, Battier, Brooks, Lowry, Landry, Hayes and Ariza are the team leaders next year. I look for Chase Budinger or Jermaine Taylor to both play some kind of role on this team and this club to find a solid center.

And Bryan Cook could have some role on this team next year guys.

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In Daryl Morey, Rick Smith and Ed Wade we (usually) trust.

by Nitroberg on Jul 14, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it

Why is a Battier for Kaman trade dumb? Cook is basically an expiring, so not only do the Clips save money on this deal, they trade from depth and fill their biggest needs (small forward defender who can shoot 3s and has veteran smarts and leadership). I thought the Rockets would never do this, and that’s why I wanted to test out how people here responded to this. Honestly, Clippers fans would rejoice if they got Battier and got rid of Kaman and Thornton.

by Dodgerblue15 on Jul 14, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

forgot to add one thing

Top ten center? He’s all yours then. I’d do Battier for Kaman straight up if you wanted.

by Dodgerblue15 on Jul 14, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way!!

they wont give up kaman if they do they’re dumb??? or they’ll want more!!! but i dont think they’re that stupid!!!!! if we do trade with the same deal with battier n cook we’re lucky, that would put us back up there with the spurs and lakers for sure!!!!!!

by da_H on Jul 14, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ReallY?

I was under the impression that there wasn’t really any way the Rockets would do this deal. Clips have been trying to move Kaman basically since they gave him that big contract. Battier is exactly what the Clips need. A starting veteran small forward who can be a leader and show the team how to play defense. He’s an upstanding citizen and could help redirect a franchise lost in, well, Clipperdumb.

by Dodgerblue15 on Jul 14, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but uh...

pretty sure that adding Kaman does not put u back in the conversation with the Spurs and Lakers. Still, he’s young enough to be a building block.

by Dodgerblue15 on Jul 14, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i say we are going to get like 54 wins because we are going to have a solid fast-break team and a young defendant team.not to many teams have a fast break defense

by rockets #1 fan on Jul 14, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Strength of The West

I think that the Rockets are making the playoffs this year. Before I really thought about it I thought that even though the Rockets played great against LA without Yao, there’s no realistic way they could play with that much heart and effort for 82 games next year. And even though this may be true, I don’t think the West is strong enough to deny the Rockets a playoff spot.
The (1) Lakers and (2) Nuggets will still be good.
The (3) Spurs have improved and could be much healthier.
(4) Portland is probably going to have an addition sometime soon with Millsap or Lee. (5) Utah will be without the services of either Boozer or Millsap.
The (6) Mavs I see as a question mark: another year older and Marion has been declining.

The other two playoff teams last year are the Hornets and the Rockets. The Hornets are not the special team they were 2 years ago even though Paul and West are beasts. The only other team close to the playoffs was Phoenix, and they sure as hell aren’t going to the playoffs. The Clips will improve with Griffin and health but they have so many question marks.

Point of the Story: There would have to be one or two surprises next year to keep the Rockets out of the playoffs. I think that even though as a team the Rockets might not be able to play like they did against LA for the whole season, I do believe that Brooks and Scola are good players and Ariza is much better defensively than Artest and will create easy looks for himself through steals and finishing on a Brooks/Lowry fastbreak. He can also spot up for three when Brooks/Lowry drives or Scola posts. I feel confident about our team. They won’t challenge the Lakers or Spurs, but they are gonna play some exciting basketball and will gain a lot of experience through this year without Yao or any other all-star.

I do hope McGrady can come back and show he has something left.

by jroberts5 on Jul 14, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the Rockets finish between 40-45 wins

I think they will be fighting for a playoff spot until the end. If I had to say whether they would or wouldn’t get in at this point, I would tend to believe they would sneak in as a 7th or 8th seed in the conference. There are only five teams I feel are locks to make the postseason (Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, Blazers, Mavs).

The Rockets still have a great defensive team that will carry them through many games in the upcoming season. The one problem the Rockets are going to have next year is putting the ball into the basket. There is no question that the offense will go through some tough stretches next year with the current roster.

We still got the MLE to use though. Hopefully, we can add a center (though, it looks increasingly likely that a trade would be needed to net a decent center. Not too many centers left on the market) or a swingman to improve the depth behind Ariza and Battier. I like Taylor a lot but I REALLY am not a fan of White. He can jump through the roof but not much else. I doubt he will ever get it. Obtaining a solid player with experience to shore up the depth at the 2 and 3 would help the Rockets immensely.

I keep hearing the comparisons between Ariza and Artest’s defensive capabilities. I would have to disagree that Ariza is much better defensively then Artest. They both are VERY solid defenders. Ariza is not a lockdown defender yet. He showed the potential to be a lockdown type of guy but he is not there yet. Ariza is lean which leaves him vulnerable sometimes to the bigger 3’s of the NBA. Ariza is a better team defender then Artest. However, Artest is a better individual defender. Artest is as good of an option a team could get to defend the elite 3’s (LeBron, Pierce, Melo). Artest has had good success in turning LeBron, Pierce, & Melo into high volume scorers. Ariza does have better foot speed and length to defend switches at the 1. Ariza and Artest are both good defenders that have different pros and cons. I don’t think you can say that Ariza or Artest is MUCH better defensively then the other.

by you got shook son on Jul 14, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad to see

that you still actually post here! I know of a center that would fit perfectly in Houston, you will simply know him as “THE BEST IN THE WEST!”

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by Phillip Baggett on Jul 15, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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