Rockets Fans: What would you trade Shane Battier to the Portland Trailblazers for?
by UofTOrange on Jul 3, 2009 12:00 AM CDT
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I have a full analysis of what I want the Rockets to do on deck for early next week (hopefully Monday). However, I want a little help. Dave from Blazer's Edge and I have been tossing around an idea. What would you want from the Trail Blazers for Shane Battier. Now, believe me this is all a hypothetical, but, what if the Rockets were going into rebuilding mode? You have to sell high on Battier, right? And he fits into Portland epically well.
Rudy Fernandez and Travis Outlaw for Shane Battier.
Let me get this out of the way. I know 95% of you would never "want to trade" Battier. I'm in that boat too. That said, I know that, so let's try and be productive. If you had to, what would you accept? And let's keep it within reason, Brandon Roy nor LaMarcus Aldridge is coming over.
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rudy
We need Rudy, his defense is… well non-existent, but his offensive firepower would definitely be put to good use.
by djin on Jul 3, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this better..
Oden and Fernandez for Battier…we need a backup center..maybe a starter if yao is out…
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by JRodriguez on Jul 3, 2009 12:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
unlikely
The Blazers would never trade Oden… I’d be fine with getting Pryzbilla and Fernandez
by djin on Jul 3, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea...
id probably take that too…we are in desperate need of a center..
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by JRodriguez on Jul 3, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm....yeah, right....
Closer to reality would be Pryz OR Rudy. But for both, unrealistic. Before I read the post, I figured Outlaw and Rudy could get it done. I’m not high on the idea, because both guys are young and Rudy is a lights out shooter, but I’d like the D in exchange. Oh, and for Oden…HA!!! Aside from Howard, which C is better than Oden (keeping in mind those that will be healthy and playing next year and beyond)??
by oregon_fan on Jul 28, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this post serious?
That would be a resounding negative to this trade
by ppilot on Jul 3, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a C or at least a backup C outta the trade.
by VBG on Jul 3, 2009 12:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Blazers get Turkgolu then the trade becomes really unlikely
by VBG on Jul 3, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
or the other way around
i think if they land Turkoglu.. the chances of getting Rudy is high..obviously his playing time will be cut short and getting deeper in the rotation which is more unlikely for him to accept. Hes got talent , and he will definitely be a great add-on to the rockets, hes a manu-like player in the future.. plus pryzbilla and dont forget we are closely getting a deal with trevor ariza.. who can be a potentially the next T-Mac with heart or say T-Riz.. Now, im pretty sure we got a solid team..
by corolla on Jul 3, 2009 1:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love a starting lineup of Pryzbilla, Scola, Ariza, Fernandez and Brooks. I can’t see Portland putting Pryzbilla in that trade though. Greg Oden is a foul machine with serious injury concerns. Portland knows they need to keep Pryzbilla.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 3, 2009 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm less of a fan
No one in that lineup has much chance of being an all-star or of legitimately being in the conversation as one of the best in the league at their position. They are all 3rd or 4th bananas at best.
by Metalate on Jul 3, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible trade.. Artest is out . now all we have to gaurd the fastes point guards in the league is battier. Do we go for mediocre defense and a good shooting team or mediocre shooters and great defense? Keep shane. Get a big man for back up to Yao and chalk up the 09-10 season as a “recovery” year. Rockets wil bounce back better than ever in 2010-2011
by Dustin20 on Jul 3, 2009 2:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rockets are not making the playoffs next year
Battier is useless on this team
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by UofTOrange on Jul 3, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Blazer fan,
I would be willing to do the Rudy and Outlaw trade for Battier towards the trade deadline if Martell comes back from his injury all right. I wouldn’t be really happy about it, but I would do it. This is assuming Turkaglu isn’t on the team.
by KitIsh on Jul 3, 2009 2:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading Rudy is tough to swallow for this Blazer Fan
And getting only Battier back doesn’t provide an upgrade on offense to help take the pressure off Roy. Plus, Rudy might sick the Spanish Mafia on Ariza being on the same team.
Are you guys looking for cap space for next year? How’s your guard situation?
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by OhOhOden on Jul 3, 2009 3:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And getting only Battier back doesn’t provide an upgrade on offense to help take the pressure off Roy.
The Blazers had the best offense in the NBA last year, they don’t need anybody to take pressure off of anyone. What they need is a defensive upgrade. Batum is a good defender, but Battier is the best perimeter defender in the NBA. He’d improve the Blazers significantly.
But he’s far too valuable of a player to the Rockets to be traded this year, I think.
Are you guys looking for cap space for next year?
The only players definitely signed through 2011 are Yao (I’m betting he won’t exercise his ETO) and Shane (and, once July 8 rolls around, Ariza). Cap space for next year isn’t an issue for the Rockets. A lot of that is going to probably be spent extending contracts for current players, but the Rockets are in a very flexible situation.
How’s your guard situation?
Well, if you’re talking about point guards, we have two good ones, and yours are in no way upgrades. Shooting guards are another matter, but the Rockets have four players who’ll probably be rotating through the 2-guard spot (rookies Taylor and Budinger, Battier, and occasionally Brooks; presuming he’s not traded, McGrady kinda plays there, too).
Honestly, the Rockets’ only real need is center.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 3, 2009 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give up Rudy and Outlaw
Rudy is an exciting player with many good years ahead of him, but frankly I think he will be more valuable to other teams than to us since he plays the same position as Roy.
I think Outlaw would be a great fit in Houston as a part of the rebuilding process, if that’s what we’re discussing. He is a great clubhouse guy who brings good offensive skills and athleticism. He has shortcomings, no doubt, but still a better fit for a club like Houston (if rebuilding) than Portland.
Battier would be SWEET. I highly doubt it would ever happen, but he would be my dream pickup at SF for Portland… as long as it happened now, and not when he’s 3-4 years older.
by CUblazer on Jul 3, 2009 3:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on all counts.
As a Blazer fan I’d hate to see Rudy go but he’s a starter and honestly deserves to be in that role. Outlae becomes expendable with our F situation, even more so with Turk in the mix. Again, he’s a great player but getting a stand-up guy and ace defender like Shane in return would be fantastic. I’d love to see this happen but put the chances at less than less than 1%, lol…
by pdxrob on Jul 3, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was to be a constructive conversation
That said, no one in Portland would want to see Rudy or Travis leave, but Battier has a skill set neither of those has… tenacious defense. Portland got shoved around by the Rockets in the playoffs and if you can’t beat them, have the guy shoving them around join your team.
I think you’d be surprised at Rudy’s craftiness on the court. He may not be a face up defender, but he gets in passing lanes and is adaptable to his environment (meaning you can teach him Rockets style team defense). Travis? He’s long and athletic, has learned to drive to the basket and finish. He has moments of brilliance and then seems lost, but those times seem to be dwindling. Personally, Travis is yet to reach his potential in my opinion and he’s grown on me. Up until the last two seasons I didn’t want him on my team, now I view him as an X factor.
Night in and night out you folks will love to watch Rudy, he really is insanely popular here in Portland. Travis, will drop your jaw and make you say one of two things how’d he make that shot, or why’d he take that shot. Then again you had Ron Ron on your team so maybe those Travis statements won’t sting as much.
Portland has scorers, we need defenders that can help score, Battier fills that bill.
I would make this trade and miss our guys, but embrace the new.
by Larry The Croc on Jul 3, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't like it.
As a huge fan of the defensive mind-set that Jeff Van Gundy put on this team, I couldn’t pull the trigger on a Battier trade. He’s not just a great defensive player. He’s the one that took over the leadership role during that Laker series and kept us alive.
Tracy McGrady will be playing for a contract this year. I say keep him, do a sign and trade with Von Wafer, try to trade for a half decent center and then try to get Amare Stoudamire or Dirk Nowitzki next year.
by Mike9681 on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
as much as I love Shane Battier's presence on the team
I do this deal instantly. Battier is a defensive minded player who relies on hustle and not athleticism. Well, for as smart as Battier is, he’s on the wrong side of 30 – and next year the Rockets are going to need young, athletic players to compensate for the fact that we have no center and a bunch of undersized power forwards.
Plus, there is no better time to “sell high” on Battier than now. Thank you NYT and Michael Lewis…
Outlaw is young and athletic and finally learned how to shoot.
Fernandez is amazing and would fit the up-tempo style the Rockets HAVE to play next year.
I think we all need to get used to the fact that the Ariza move is one of many Morey is going to make and that next year’s Rockets are not going to look anything like this year’s crew.
by grungedave on Jul 3, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
trade
That would be a great trade for both sides. We get younger and better offensively and they get better defensively..
by HtownBoy1999 on Jul 3, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright, here you go. This is the winner!!!!
Scola and Battier for
Aldridge and Frye
It works in the trade machine: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m4kh6p
Basically, I figure at this point, Scola is similar to Aldridge and I might even prefer Scola for this season, but Aldridge clearly has more upside. Frye is mostly a throw-in who gives the Rockets a center. Blazers get two quality starters and really improve the defense. If you want to win now, I think this makes them much better this season. Scola is a tremendous asset given his salary.
For the rockets, Frye is a successful stop-gap at center who could start if he had to, and a very exciting PF for the future.
by Metalate on Jul 3, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We already released Frye...
You can sign him yourself I believe.
And no way in hell the Blazers are letting LA go…
by pdxrob on Jul 3, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey!
FU for trying to trade Scola!
by grungedave on Jul 3, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Aldridge isn’t enough to make it worth letting him go?
Too bad the trade machine is still with last year’s contracts. The problem to me is that if Aldridge, Roy, and Fernandez are all untouchable, then Oden may be the only thing interesting to the Rockets, but he’s a horrible fit here – until Yao’s career is really over, we don’t need/want a long-term center who can’t play the 4 position – and Portland probably won’t part with him either. I’m not overly excited about Batum, and Przybilla makes a lot of money to be a backup to Yao on a good Rockets team or a starting center for a bad one.
By the way, why DON’T the Rockets just sign Frye? He must be available cheap, no?
by Metalate on Jul 3, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fernandez is far from untouchable in my opinion
They wouldn’t have said a word to Turk if he was
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by UofTOrange on Jul 3, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're close but...
Roy, Aldridge, and Oden are the untouchables. I would say Batum is probably more untouchable than Fernandez. Rudy is important to the team, but if the right player came along then he is far from being “untouchable”
You guys are putting too much stock in Battier, IMO
Hes good, but we have seen all he has to offer. I ask if you guys really think he has anywhere near the value as Aldridge? I highly doubt this.
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 7, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
Outlaw and Przybilla for Brian Cook and Shane Battier
…don’t know if anybody has said it, but I don’t want to read comments for half an hour
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by n1ck34 on Jul 3, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never mind....
make it Outlaw, Przybilla, and Fernandez for Cook, Battier, and Dorsey
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by n1ck34 on Jul 3, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think about this move from Portland's standpoint.
Does it make sense to trade our 6th man, starting Center for a defensive minded SF(in which we already have in Batum but at a fraction of the price)
However i fear there is more to Websters injury than we know… :^(
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 7, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
waaa?
No way the Rockets trade scola, but hes gonna need to step his game up this season by the way!!! the first one makes sence battier for outlaw n fernandez, battier is just a stop shoot doesnt move with the ball create plays nothing i admit i would hate 2 see him go but if u get those 2 guys im sorry im goin with them.
by luis b on Jul 3, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ARE YOU F$%@#& KIDDING ME!
that would be trading down, we are not trying to build offense and take away the defense, that is what The Rockets have going for them, they usually don’t win with offense they will with defense! Those two are worthless and I wouldn’t give up any player for them at all! Are you nuts, we need a back up Center and a closer, do you think Portland can supply that, I think NOT!! Artest was a BIG loss, strength, team togetherness, toughness all lost, he brought that, you have to get that back, and it is not with Portland.
by kmbrly429 on Jul 3, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are not building for next year
Or the year after really. You are building for 2011. There is no point in having Shane Battier anymore.
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by UofTOrange on Jul 3, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
get the fuk out of here!!!!
wat do u know about basketball anyways!!! battier sucks n we know it he can play defense but wheres da offense so thats why they been trying to trade him but nobody wants him!!!
by luis b on Jul 3, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great logic there Luis.
Phoenix is trying hard to trade Amare Stoudemire, but hasn’t been able to. I assume that’s because no one wants him either?
by Metalate on Jul 3, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who are you talking to luis?
talking to yourself? the walls?
by grungedave on Jul 3, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is just shameful
please stop.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 3, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you fail at everything
please refrain from commenting here again.
13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.
by Duhoh on Jul 31, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just tank the season.
Tank the season for John Wall next year.
by blahb on Jul 3, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I suggest a three way trade
Houston gets:
Rudy Fernandez (POR)
Travis Outlaw (POR)
Amare Stoudemire (PHX)
Leandro Barbosa (PHX)
Portland gets:
Shane Battier (HOU)
Phoenix gets:
Tracy McGrady (HOU)
The money matches & the Rockets stay contenders while Portland gets the defensive upgrade & Phoenix gets McGrady’s expiring contract seeing as they’ll need it to get what they want in 2010. Phoenix will be a lottery team next year. The Rockets just need to refuel & reload.
by The Night Owl on Jul 3, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's not a three way trade
That’s Houston trading twice, once with Portland and once with Phoenix. A three way would have phoenix trading with portland and us trading with phoenix.
Regardless, I’d like to see that go down.
by T-Mackin on Jul 3, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, yeah
because Phoenix gets practically nothing in return.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 3, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, they probably would tank then
They got rid of Shaq, they’re losing money, & Nash’s contract expires in 2010. What they get in return is a clean slate & cap room for 2010.
by The Night Owl on Jul 3, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare opts out in 2010 if he doesn't get an extension.
Barbosa and Richardson are their only players definitely on contract through 2011. They don’t really have any cap issues, it’s just that their owner doesn’t want to spend any money right now (except on Nash, strangely) and Kerr is an idiot.
Anyways, in order for a trade with Phoenix to go down, Houston would have to include something besides McGrady. And the problem is that that “something” has to be a young enough (and good enough) player to include in a rebuilding effort.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 3, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess throw in a first & second round pick
by The Night Owl on Jul 3, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have to be Landry or Brooks
Landry would be the answer there IMO
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by UofTOrange on Jul 3, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would the rockets be interested in 2010 cap space and a 1st rounder?
clippers fan here. even with the departure of z-bo and skinner the clips are still heavy up front. Also the clips have some expiring contracts that could really help a team out if they were trying to get a top tier talent for 2010. I’m a clippers fan so i know no top tier FA would go to clipperland especially after last season so it would be better to trade the expiring deals for pieces the clippers need.
Battier + filler for camby and a 1st rounder would give you guys only 26 million in committed contracts for 2010. Camby is still pretty good BTW.
Or you guys can have a C in kaman… but his contract runs til 2012 and he hasn’t had a full healthy season in 2 years…
by cantthinkofagoodname on Jul 3, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kaman is the only option there
Camby is pointless for this team as they are not making the playoffs. Camby is still good, but he won’t be in 2 years when the Rockets would want him, Kaman might be.
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by UofTOrange on Jul 3, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shane Battier
Would you trade your heart for a liver?
by Keith S on Jul 3, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Get Fernandez
Getting him mite help get Ricky Rubio.
by jackg1980 on Jul 3, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't think that's not part of my motivation
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by UofTOrange on Jul 3, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so turk goes to POR
verbal commitment, i think. to me, it seems pretty clear that fernandez is not going to be happy there, and they must be arranging for a trade. hopefully its with us, i’d love to see rudy here. i’m not too into outlaw, he doesn’t seem like he can provide much sans a couple gems in the season, but pryzbilla would be a great acquisition.
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by olivarezq1 on Jul 3, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would have put Przy in there
But there is no way Portland makes that trade. Going after Turk and potentially Battier means they want to win now, salary cap in 2 years be damned
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by UofTOrange on Jul 3, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you guys are hell-bent on Rudy
… but the Blazers will not trade him for two reasons:
1. He’s young with upside that far outweighs Battier’s current contributions
2. He’s one of the Blazer’s most marketable players (at a remarkable salary value)
The only trade that makes sense for both teams is Pryz for Battier straight up. A starting C with limited offensive value and strong D for a starting SF with limited offensive value and strong D. Their salaries are identical and Pryz actually has a 5 point PER advantage (15.5 to 10.1). Truthfully, I doubt the Blazers would even be willing to give that up for SB, but who knows. Rudy ain’t happening.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on Jul 4, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If...
If Rudy went in and asked for a trade(extremely unlikely,but you never know-and yes I know he’s in Spain right now),I’d like to see:
Battier to Portland for a TE(Port is enough under cap to absorb his salary)
Rudy to Hou using Alston TE
Landry to Portland for Outlaw.
In addition to Rudy and a smallish 4 who shoots from outside the Rockets gain a $6.9mil TE to use in getting a C from a team wanting to cut salary.
Portland gets the back-up 4 they’ve wanted and still some $3-4mil under cap.
In Battier they get the perfect complement to Roy,and a player know to cause Kobe problems. The second unit is still extremely potent w/Bayless,Webster,Batum,Landry,Pryzbilla.
by Tisbee on Jul 4, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
causing Kobe problems hasn't been a problem for the Blazers ...
… a third scoring option has been. thus the Blazer’s pursuit of Hedo. Rudy and Outlaw are the closest that Portland has to a viable third scoring option. Trading both of them to get Landry and Battier back really won’t solve any problems for them.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on Jul 5, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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