Could Ariza Pull a Hedo?
Nate Jones of Jones on the NBA brings up an interesting question on his Twitter:
"You think Port would try to undermine Houston now and reach out to Ariza?"
Ben Golliver of Blazer's Edge says that Portland could have offered Ariza up to 45 million dollars. All we have so far are verbal commitments. Let's hope that the unthinkable doesn't happen.
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Possible
though the rumor is that he already turned down a larger offer.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 3, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who are you talking about Ariza or Hedo?
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jul 3, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza
I read somewhere that he was given a larger offer by Toronto or something before he made the agreement with the Rockets.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 3, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was pretty vague
I’ll try to find the sauce
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 3, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Ariza's agent, David Lee
But he said he had an offer for 9 M more than the MLE. That’s just BS.
by Cornholio on Jul 4, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know talk is cheap,
but Ariza seems pretty committed to Houston.
"I’m excited about it because I’m getting an opportunity to play. They were the team that showed the most interest in me and that was all I wanted."
…
"I’m a champion," he said. "And I’m a Houston Rocket."
(That article also mentions that the Raptors offered $9 million more than the Rockets. That could just be – and probably is – Feigen repeating what Ariza’s agent says, but given the way the Raptors threw all that cash at Turkoglu, I wouldn’t be surprised. And I assume that it’s $9 million across the whole contract).
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 4, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering the money that Ariza signed for...
which was less than what LA would have given him in the first place, I don’t think Ariza was really about the money.
I do suspect that he made a knee jerk reaction to the news that Artest was going to LA, and signed right then and there with Houston in response. However, in retrospect, I think he might be interested in Toronto. Maybe not that Hedo is there.
But I think Portland never had a chance. Remember, Trevor still feels unjustly treated by Portland for the Ariza-Rudy incident in the regular season.
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by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 3:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it isn't
states have things called taxes. a dollar in LA is not as valuable as a dollar in texas. LA did not offer ariza more after tax dollars than houston.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 4, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so the difference is?
I know Texas is not Florida, as I believe there is an income tax there. However, I believe I remember TX doesn’t have a sales tax.
Regardless of that, somehow I doubt it played much into Trevor’s thinking.
The Lakers were prepared to offer Ariza the full MLE with 10.5% increases per season. This would have totaled roughly $33.8 million over a 5 year contract. The Lakers might have been willing to start at $6 million for the first year, pushing a 5 year contract to about $36 million.
Ariza instead decided to go with $32.3 million over 5 years with (I believe) 8% raises starting at the MLE amount.
Also, I posted a long bit about this on FeartheSword (the Cavs blog), which is that I believe Lebron’s noncommital status to the Cavaliers is actually costing them quality free agents. Who’s the last free agent of consequence the Cavs signed? Almost the entire team has been constructed through trades. While Artest has said things like weather, the cities, and friendships with Lakers players affected his decision, I also wonder if Lebron affected his choice. Why would Artest want to be stuck on a lottery team with no hope in the future if Lebron and Shaq bolt after an unsuccessful season?
Even his options in Houston were better, as Yao will eventually return, and the Rockets will get someone of decent skill from trading McGrady. Ariza himself chose Houston not only for playing time, but I assume for the same reasons. We’ve panned Ariza on Lakers boards for leaving for a lottery bound team… but that’s only next season. In Cleveland, there’s no guarantee beyond this season.
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by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure how earnings are taxed (taxed for all games played, or only taxed for home games) but Ariza would lose roughly 300k to 600k a year, at his current salary, playing in LA instead of Houston. Over the life of the contract, that surpasses the 10.5% increase LA could offer.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 4, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe pro athletes (and entertainers) pay taxes in the state where the actual game is played. 82 games per season so roughly 1/82nd of their salary per game.
So NBA players file state tax returns in up to 24 states (30 teams but Cal has 4 teams, Tex 3, Fla 2, etc.)
by lazNirv on Jul 4, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I thought, so it would be roughly 300k a year with California’s 9.3% state tax.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 4, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
in the end, we’re saying that Ariza saves maybe a couple hundred thousand in Houston, despite the fact that he could have earned a couple of hundred thousand (or a few million) more after taxes in California?
EIther way, this argument is bunk. I doubt taxes had anything to do with Ariza choosing Houston over any other destination.
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by tandur on Jul 6, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "Money" argument
has more to do with status/ego (I make more than you) than it does with what you can actually buy with your income.
by Metalate on Jul 6, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza’s agent talks a lot and blows a lot of smoke. 9 M more than the MLE? No team would offer that much for him.
by shoothoop on Jul 4, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the new term "Pulling a Hedo"?
The Trail Blazers were Boozered today. I feel like I just got jumped in a back alley somewhere. I feel betrayed. As a Blazer fan, I would love to see the Blazers rebound by signing someone like Ariza. And to be honest, if you guys hadn’t just kicked our ass in the playoffs I would feel bad about stealing him like we would have to do to sign him. But you did just kick our ass, and I feel like I was just left at the alter, so I wouldn’t feel bad at all about rebounding by stealing Ariza from you guys. I’m just immature that way.
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by Juiceman76 on Jul 4, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
be happy
Toronto just saved the Blazers from making a pretty big mistake.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 4, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
saved indeed (in terms of long run) and salaries
by SimpleTruth on Jul 4, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, in terms of production in the short term, too
Hedo just doesn’t address anything that the Blazers need to address.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 4, 2009 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like it would've been a good move
Short term. It would’ve given the Blazers another guy to handle the ball and take pressure off of Roy. The biggest issue obviously is that contract. And to be honest, the only reason I was really angry (after sleeping on it, not so much anymore) was because I had spent the last week talking myself into it after being opposed for so long. Oh well. Hedo sucks. Have fun losing 60 games a year.
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by Juiceman76 on Jul 4, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
Loving ur comment. Hedo can suck it hard
What's the differance of 3-6 mil? oh about 20+ more losses, and the chance to watch the only star leave by the end of the season. Suck it Hedo!
by in~ur~fizace on Jul 4, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's "Hedon't"
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be pulling a Boozer
I agree
by shoothoop on Jul 4, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Ariza improve at Houston?
I’m sure he will improve.
however, how much CAN he improve? Can he create his own shots, create shots for others and continue to shoot at a high percentage? No, no and no. Alright… he CAN over time. But it won’t be overnight and sans Tracy and Yao should help as well.. but he is definitely in for a rough year.
Actually change that Houston Rockets and fans will have a rough year after finally making it to the second round because of Ron Artest. Give the man his due, though Yao is skilled Ron pushed them over… and Tracy is just out of the picture.
by SimpleTruth on Jul 4, 2009 2:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
after finally making it to the second round because of Ron Artest
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 4, 2009 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lolz, word
Ron helped (some of the time) but by no means got use through to the second round. I love the guy, but in fact, he had a pretty poor playoff performance.
by chucky d on Jul 4, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love
the alliteration.
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by ak2themax on Jul 4, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Tom Martin on Jul 4, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
clever
and topical
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 4, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"A lot of alliteration from anxious anchors placed in powerful posts!"
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by Tom Martin on Jul 4, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can someone name the movie?
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by Tom Martin on Jul 4, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oddly enough....
Broadcast News?
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by Juiceman76 on Jul 4, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
winrar
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 4, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about it is
I’m 23, so there’s no way I should know anything about Broadcast News.
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by Juiceman76 on Jul 4, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm 21
there’s no way I should have an online handle taken from an album released 7 years before I was born, but here we are.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 4, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
Here we are, indeed. I’ll drink to that.
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by Juiceman76 on Jul 4, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Im old
But doesn’t quality endure? Broadcast News is still a very good movie. And Oingo Boingo, well, it was never my cup of tea, but that doesn’t stop Danny Elfman from sleeping on mountains of cash instead of a mattress (from movies, but still).
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by Xiane on Jul 6, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please make this happen
I’d be stoked for portland to snatch him off us
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by DREAM34 on Jul 4, 2009 4:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ariza wants more playing time
and the opportunity to be the star and go-to guy. I don’t think he will get that in Portland.
by RoxBeliever on Jul 4, 2009 6:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
UGGH
From a Blazers fan to you most respect Houston fans. You can keep him since ur team is falling apart. And it sucks too. I like Ur team a lot. Played one hell of a series against us and a great series against the L*akers. But no thanks keep Ariza and his air take down self away from my team………….Please and thank you :-) lol
What's the differance of 3-6 mil? oh about 20+ more losses, and the chance to watch the only star leave by the end of the season. Suck it Hedo!
by in~ur~fizace on Jul 4, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In reply to your sig
More money for his kids or however he wants to spend it. Sounds like a good deal to me.
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Still waiting...
by DreKeem on Jul 4, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
2 million dollars over the course of 5 years is worth going to a terrible team that will kill your career? Whateva, dude.
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by Juiceman76 on Jul 4, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his career is over after this contract anyway
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by Zaron5551 on Jul 4, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really his career is over now
Hedo will be stuck in Tdot. Bosh will STILL leave after the season to find a way to play with Wade somewhere(plus bosh is a dookie haired rat lookin mofo too!). Hedo will be sorry, and sorry to say it. So will Ariza. Unless Ming makes it back this season, AND McGrady dosn’t miss a single game there is no hope for him either. But then again I don’t know too much about what players ur team still has
What's the differance of 3-6 mil? oh about 20+ more losses, and the chance to watch the only star leave by the end of the season. Suck it Hedo!
by in~ur~fizace on Jul 4, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, in summary:
“Ariza’s career is over because Yao and McGrady are injured this season, but I don’t really know anything about your team.”
Just getting that straight.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 4, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given that we’re going to have a rough time making the playoffs under the current projections, losing Ariza just might make it a little easier to pick up, say, John Wall… or whoever might be the hottest draft prospect by this time next year.
So, as far as I’m concerned, it’s potentially win-win. Of course, there’s that devilish word “potential” again.
by DribbleHooper on Jul 4, 2009 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
unless the freshman entering college this year turn out to be amazing, next year’s draft will be worse than this one. Willie Warren is like the only person who is even worth talking about. at least 2010 will have a nice FA market to make up for the shitty draft.
by Optical Delusion on Jul 4, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Next year’s draft promises to be better than this one. Not that it’s hard. In fact, the freshmen entering college this year are amazing. Here’s a mock draft from FoxSports: http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9742454/Early-2010-NBA-mock-draft
There’s going to be a lot of young, tall guys next year. To be honest, there’s a handful of guys I hadn’t heard of, and of course there’s not much footage of the incoming freshmen, but a lot of them show “potential,” and with the draft eligibility rules in effect, potential is about the most we can hope for in the future. The draft is not what it used to be since moving to the 1 year in college requirement. We got lucky with Kevin Durant and Greg Oden in its first year, but now it’s hurting more than helping.
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by ak2themax on Jul 5, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk, I watched the McDonalds All Star Game and a few of the other all star games and wasn’t very impressed, but maybe it’s just me. of course since most of them are going to schools with very good coaches, they could always develop nicely in college, who knows
by Optical Delusion on Jul 5, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worse? Hell, no.
It’s going to be loads better, namely because of all the players that passed up entering this draft and the freshman class coming in as well. Players that passed on this draft include Greg Monroe, Ed Davis, Al-Farouq Aminu, Cole Aldrich, Willie Warren, and Craig Brackins, most of whom would have been lottery picks this draft. John Wall and Derrick Favors are the likely contenders for the #1 pick, and you have Donatas Motiejunas, arguably the most hyped international prospect in a while (and Dirk clone), coming next year.
by Ben R on Jul 6, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza Is A Soldier By All Means
I Dont Think Ariza Will Pull A Ron Artest And Leave For Bigger Bucks.
1 . He’s A NBA Champion
2. The Money Wasnt The Point At All.
3. The Rockets Made Him Feel Wanted And Respected
4. Has Nothing To Prove Until The First Jump Ball Of Next Season
5. I Like Him Better Than Ive Ever Like Artest
6.He’s A Contribitor And Not A Ball Hog.
by mr.duce11 on Jul 6, 2009 2:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yeah, the money was the point
Or he simply would have signed with LA for what they were offering. He signed with Houston because the only other teams with significant cap space (and a willingness to spend) were Portland and Toronto, both of whom had small forward targets they wanted before Ariza, and LA had already moved on to Artest. As for him staying, it’s all but certain given his media statements and how hard Portland is trying to get David Lee.
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by Ben R on Jul 6, 2009 5:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pull a Ron Artest?
If Crazy Pills had stayed in Houston and gotten an offer, it more than likely would have been over the MLE. If anything, Ron Artest took a pay cut. Ariza is the one who got a raise here.
And what we’re really talking about here is if Ariza would pull a Hedon’t, and leave after giving a verbal agreement to the Rockets.
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by tandur on Jul 6, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Artest was a free agent.
He took an offer from the NBA champs. His career is winding down, he wants a shot at a ring, no better place than the team that just won one. A team that will return largely intact.
Ron was a good guy and never gave less than max effort here in Houston. I have no grudges. While he wore a Rocket uni he left it all on the floor. Nothing more you can really ask of a guy. If he had been Ron Artest of 5 years ago Houston would have broken the bank. He’s still a quality player, but he’s on the downhill side of his career.
As for Ariza, what will Artest give you that Ariza won’t this year? Ok, there’s the simple physical intimidation factor Ron brings. But there’s also the Jacktastic Ron, who can shoot you out of games. On balance, I think Ariza will give us as much as Artest, with the chance of becoming more, something that is simply not going to happen with Artest.
Now I have to get over just not liking Ariza all that much. Maybe having him on the Rockets will chance my perception.
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by Xiane on Jul 6, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest said staying in Houston was what he wanted, but Houston only offered him a 1 year contract. He said that wasn’t enough security so he signed with his second option which was the Lakers
by shoothoop on Jul 6, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yao changed everything.
Ron Artest should have been the 3rd option on a championship contending team. With a healthy TMac and Yao, he would have been. Houston took LA to 7 games, even without Tmac and mostly without Yao. No one else in the playoffs came close to that showing.
But without the keystone, Ron is a complimentary player looking for someone to compliment. His decision making and shot selection are not sufficient for him to be the #1, which is what he would assume he would be in Houston without Yao or McGrady.
Trevor Ariza is newly 24, so we have him signed through his peak years. He’s signed for the MLE, which makes him fairly easy to trade, should that become desirable (not knowing other details of his contract, as there simply aren’t any to know until, what the 8th?). It’s likely that Ariza’s peak will not come close to Artest’s. It’s also likely that his peak will be better than Artest’s decline.
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by Xiane on Jul 6, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
Ariza is recieving such a large pay raise that he will become a Base Year Compensation player. What this essentially means is that for the next season, should Houston be interested in trading Trevor to a contender, Trevor’s trade salary will not be the MLE, but his salary this past season while playing for LA.
This means likely that a second player will have to be included from Houston’s side to get back a player making Trevor’s pay. While this saves Houston money, it makes trade partners less likely to pursue Trevor because of his BYC.
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by tandur on Jul 7, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be correct, Tom
I’ve been reading rumors of Ariza second-guessing his agreement with the Rockets. Possibly to join the Cavs, I’m hearing.
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by misterterrific on Jul 6, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Woj, of Y! sports, dispels the rumor. Yeah, I know. It’s just twitter.
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by misterterrific on Jul 6, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wasn't a rumor
but the twitter is correct, none the less.
Chris Broussard reports that Lebron made an attempt to get Ariza to pull a Hedon’t and back off his agreement with Houston and leave for Cleveland instead.
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by tandur on Jul 7, 2009 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston vs LA
Texas does have sales Tax… they do not have State Income tax at the end of the year.
I live in Houston and have spent time in LA…
The exact same 2 million Dollar house in LA is about 400 – 500 thousand here.
Texas is just plain cheaper, thats why a lot of athletes live and train in Texas during the off -season.
by Pepe Lucho on Jul 7, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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