Why is everyone on this site on Daryl Morey's nuts?
by JakedaSnake on Jul 8, 2009 7:30 PM CDT
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What exactly has this guy done for us? I don't think he's a bad GM, but come on. The posts on this forum are always positive. Sure he managed to dish Rafer Alston, but for what? Since he has come to town, Houston has needed a point guard and a backup center. So far he has not delivered on either issue. Also, I ain't buying his mystical, statistical mumbo jumbo either.
Oh and by the way, Rick Adelman is not the coach for this team. We need to get Avery Johnson or someone equivalent. H-town needs someone with a chip on his shoulders. At the very least we need a coach that can call a time out before we go 20 points in the hole. We need a coach that recognizes who the hot players are and leave them on the court.
I know you guys don't agree, but that is the way I see it..... Peace out.
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hmmm...
well besides for acquiring lowry for shitty-alston, i believe he is responsible for getting scola, wafer, ariza now (i am pro the deal), landry, brooks, lowry (as i said earlier), artest (now gone, led us to 2nd round)…not sure if im missing anyone else, im sure i am…but get the point?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 8, 2009 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On Rick Adelman
The guy is a proven coach. Although he has no championships, he has coached some pretty legit teams if i can say so myself. The only reason the guy isn’t up there with great coaches and four championships is cause of Phil Jackson. Adelman coached the Trailblazers back when they had some sick players and made it to the finals. But, the Rip City guys had to face another crazy ass team in Jordan and Phil Jackson. So yea the Bulls won that and Adelman moved onto another team.
He then coached another craaaazy team. He was able to bring together a sick team in the Sacramento Kings. Which was pretty hard considering what they needed to get. So he got C-Webb, Vlade Divac, Bibby and those guys and tries to get a championship. But that sneaky ass Jackson comes in with the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe.
So yea the argument could also go into the Rockets and Lakers this year, but it doesn’t apply as much as it did back then. In other words, Adelman is a legit coach so you shouldn’t try and take away from his genius.
I can see what you’re kind of saying in Morey, but I don’t agree at all. The guys on this blog may blow it a bit out of proportion but the guy is a great GM. He makes the right moves when they need to be made even if it goes against what we the people want.
by T-Mackin on Jul 8, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Adelman has run into some bad luck in his career.
He coached some of the best teams in Blazers history, won 60 games without a star player in Sacramento, and has made the postseason in almost every season of his career (Warrior years not withstanding). If he had some better teams to work with, he’d probably be in Phil Jackson’s place right now.
I like him. How the Rockets perform when either (or both) McGrady or Yao is out, is a testament to Adelman’s skills as a coach and Morey’s talent as a GM. And Adelman’s almost-but-not-quite quality fits the Rockets so well.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 8, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since he has come to town, Houston has needed a point guard and a backup center. So far he has not delivered on either issue
You might not have noticed, but Aaron Brooks and Kyle Lowry are both pretty freaking good. As for a backup center:
1) The Rockets only really had a “need” for one this year, after Deke announced his retirement.
2) The Rockets have done well without a backup for Yao; the small front court works well.
3) There really hasn’t been anyone available who would be worth making a backup. The Rockets clearly liked Gortat, but they weren’t willing to pay him more than backup money.
Beyond that, it’s a little silly to evaluate Morey by that issue. The Rockets have had far more pressing problems over the last few years, and Morey essentially overhauled the whole team (besides McGrady and Yao) after he took over. And the Rockets have fielded the best they’ve had since around 1997.
Also, I ain’t buying his mystical, statistical mumbo jumbo either.
I don’t think you understand what “statistacal” and “mystical” mean.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 8, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You always have a smart remark to all the posts. Why don't you shut up for once?
All I am saying is that Morey has been all smoke and mirrors. We need a C and this clown gets Ariza and overpays him at that.
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by JakedaSnake on Jul 9, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did I hurt you feewings?
you’ll get over it
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoke and mirrors?
your standards are way too high.
by grungedave on Jul 10, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um.
Well, in that case, let’s say we get a center…like, right now.
Who would you suggest?
Second of all, Ariza, while overpaid, was the right move, and we could AFFORD to overpay him. we needed a young replacement for Ron. Ariza was perfect.
Let’s just go ask Orlando for Dwight Howard. That will fix everything.
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by Tom Martin on Jul 10, 2009 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I'm asking with stuff like this is be fair to the guy
We WANTED a backup center, but it was frankly a luxury as:
1. No other team really has one save Orlando/Portland last year (And Deke was arguably one of the best)
2. There were NO OPTIONS. Who did you want him to get? Do you think, given the fact that most teams don’t have 1, much less a second to trade, were willing to trade them for anything less than something significant?
3. Until this year a center wasn’t a necessity, now it is. Morey has gone gung ho after the only one worthwhile on the market and lost out. You can’t blame him for that. Did you want him to overpay just because you want one?
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by UofTOrange on Jul 10, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Rick Adelman is a dynamite coach; but I do not think that Morey and Leslie want to pursuit the pieces that he feels he can put together to make a deep playoff run. I’d take this guy Adelman anyday over Jeff Van Gundy, Rick himself was once a tough player in the league. In regards to Morey, well lets face it the guy graduated with a bs in computer science from Northwesten Univ. and a MBA from MIT; merely a business brain, not a ball player, So I would put the blame on Leslie Alexander for not hiring a guy capable of recognizing a star in making; and making some of the most horrible business transactions in basketball.
by bmwdriver7series on Jul 8, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Leslie..
I believe he bought Morey in soley to make the Rockets revelant in the league, while bargain shopping as well, and not wanting to pay the real talent thats out there to come and help contribute to another title for the city. Getting guys like Landry, Brooks,Wafer,Scola, bought some excitement to the team, but these are all role players, who definitely are not capable of creating there on game, without the presence of a superstar. Brooks is great, but at 5’8" 165, lets see how his frame holds up in the league, because he has the ability to become the next Tony Parker, but again, his size is my only question with him
by bmwdriver7series on Jul 8, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he bought Morey in soley to make the Rockets revelant in the league, while bargain shopping as well, and not wanting to pay the real talent thats out there to come and help contribute to another title for the city.
Wow, you’re right! That’s why he’s paying the freaking luxury tax to bring in Ariza: because he’s cheap!
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 8, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team has been over the salary cap for years
and Morey didn’t inherit many tradeable players. How do you expect him to add stars? He’s managed to fill out a team when all he has to work with is late first and second round draft picks and, once a year, the mid level exception. Think about the team we used last year. How many of those players were there before Morey took over? TMac, Yao, Alston and Battier (who only sort of counts).
Scola, Landry,Hayes, Artest, Von Wafer, Brooks, and Lowry were all players Morey has added over the past three years.
Morey should be judged by what he does in these next three years- with a team HE filled with tradeable players (tradeable means that they’re good players signed to reasonable contracts) and potentially with cap space as McGrady (and maybe Yao) come off the books. Everything we’ve seen so far has led me to believe that given higher stakes, he’ll do just as well. I think at the very least, all Rockets fans can agree on that, right?
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by jack_ on Jul 8, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
what your saying is because he wasn’t a baller he’s crap. Well that’s fine – I have a great example for you.
A bloke called Michael Jordan (u might I heard of him) the greatest baller and all time worst GM… Kwame Brown anyone? Adam Morrison anyone?
I’d take Morey hands down over 95% of GMs in the league.
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by DREAM34 on Jul 8, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take him over every single GM in the league
And honestly it’s not close
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring Back Rudy T Or Hire Me
Start Where Our Titles Came From
Or Make Him The New GM
It Takes A Player To Know A Player
I Vote Rudy T. Or Let Me Become The New GM.
1st Duty Get T-Mac Traded Away
2nd Get One Or Two Centers
3rd Pay Me For Ive Done My Job Quick Just Like That.
by mr.duce11 on Jul 9, 2009 3:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhhh, tough crowd here
Considering the shitty GMs around the NBA… you should be thankful we don’t have one of them.
The only bad move Morey has made – and this itself is arguable – is the Steve Francis signing. But we got Francis on the cheap. Real cheap. It wasn’t really a “miss”.
Morey has acquired Brooks, Scola, Wafer, Artest, Lowry, Landry and others. For next to nothing. He got rid of Alston and a bunch of other bad contracts. The best thing Morey did was give the Rockets cap flexibility going into the 2010 offseason. No matter what happens with Yao and McGrady, the Rockets have options. How many teams can say that?
That’s the mark of a kick-ass GM.
by grungedave on Jul 8, 2009 11:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All The Dead Weight Seems To Be Dragging This Team
Hey Trade Off T-Mac & Cook
Then He Would Be Doing The Rockets A Great Service
I Got Love For T-Mac But Its Time To Take Old Yeller Behind The Wood Shed And You Know.
We Dont Need The Rockets To Become The Group Home For Injury Prone Players.
Hopefully He’s Reading This Because Iam Really Trying To Get His Attention.
Say Morey Get Back To Work Homie, Your Putting Me To Sleep When Im Not Even Tire Yet.
Im Growing A Beard Already Just Waitng For A Surprise, Hell Ill Be Looking Like Gasol Bout
Time The Season Starts Or Before You Start Dealing And Trading Again.
by mr.duce11 on Jul 9, 2009 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morey isnt goin to trade tracy.
Get over that buddy. He sees it as when his contract is up at the end of next season we then open up our cap space tremendously. If we trade we then have to deal with that guys contract and then we might not have the cap space available to bring in a possible super star.
So stop thinking short term and think about what your going to say when Morey actually does this.
by Matt6789 on Jul 9, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a definitive statement I don't necessarily agree with
He won’t trade him unless he gets something of value in return. But it is absolutely a possiblilty. Maybe even a 50/50 one
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there is that
But like you said it has to be something of value in return. If he doesnt get any great offers or make any, then wait and sign a free agent that could possibly be much better than the guy we traded for. I am not just one sided, I would absolutely love if we could get a trade for mcgrady, but I also think about how morey can approach this. I cant get on to moreys case for being fronted with this situation. Its way overwhelming and hes trying to do the best he can as fast as he can. I trust that morey will do the right thing and get us the players we need.
by Matt6789 on Jul 9, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think much to the opposite of the point of this thread
Morey is great BECAUSE he has so many options, most of which he has created, and all of which he has taken advantage of
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I figured that's what you meant
Just clarifying
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scola...
He will be a valuable trading asset for next year if his ppg goes up, then he’ll be the perfect trade bait, if we were to make a run for a player like chris bosh; I think if we add another role player from our team, then we may be able to get Bosh or any of the other big names; this trade would work out perfect for both sides I think, because we’ll be excited about Bosh; and i’m most certain Toronto would be excited about Scola.
by bmwdriver7series on Jul 8, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not understand why anyone wants Bosh
The guy can’t carry a team and that’s what a superstar is supposed to do
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually a Bosh fan.
I don’t think he had enough help in Toronto, and yet, a year ago, he got them to a third overall seed.
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by Tom Martin on Jul 9, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morey
Morey should know that it takes money to make money and if he continues to bargain for cheap; expect the Rockets tickets to get cheaper. Could every player currently on our team go to any other time and fit in nice as a role player? Yes, but every team needs a healthy superstar, so that others may follow by example. I’m sorry but Tmac on the sidelines with two gigantic earrings and an expensive suit; will not motivate this team any further until either he gets healthy, or is traded, right now he is just really hurting the team, although i’m sure he has no bad intentions.
by bmwdriver7series on Jul 8, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and what's your point?
Morey didn’t sign T-Mac. He’s dealt with the situation he was presented. And admirably I must add.
by grungedave on Jul 8, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh. . .
another know it all
13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.
by Duhoh on Jul 8, 2009 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I never claimed to know it all, I just don't think the guy is all that great. Hope he proves me wrong though.
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by JakedaSnake on Jul 9, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you picked avery johnson
avery johnson? REALLY?
that guy ain’t special at all. you give ME that dallas team from 06-07 and I’ll get coach of the year.
you don’t EVER coach a team to win almost 70 wins in the regular season to get the 1st seed JUST to lose to the 8th. I love GSW, but AJ is a MORON for letting chuckers like B-Diddy and Captain Jack get into their heads. oh and letting D-Wade beat your entire team alone? come on now. dallas was the better team that year. they get the crap beat. a real chip on your shoulders, huh?
devin harris is playing far better since avery isn’t micro-managing that kid. now harris is allowed to do what he wants. he would do the exact same to ABZ.
you want HIM instead? that’s why some people know it all.
13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.
by Duhoh on Jul 10, 2009 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if hes so good wheres da f**k is da slolid back up center weve been needing for years?????
by jb12 on Jul 9, 2009 12:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well, I guess he should just conjure one up out of nothing
and then he can lay his hands on McGrady’s knee and shoulder and make it all better.
That’s it! Jesus Christ 4 Rockets GM!
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "slolid back up center weve been needing for years"
suffered a carrer ending knee injury in the portland series. I don’t know where the solid back up center we’ve been needing for 11 games is. It may be a while before we find one. After all, it took him over a month to fix the power forward problem we’d had for years. What a lazy bastard.
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by jack_ on Jul 9, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic
Deke is the man. Even though he played way after his prime the man-guy still put up decent stats for a back-up center. All we needed was someone to relieve Yao for a couple of minutes at a time. Deke did that, he did his job. You’re a dumbass if you think he didn’t do his job jb12.
by T-Mackin on Jul 9, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't know much about basketball
deke is the second all time leading shot blocker(only the dream has more). plus he’s a hell of a humanitarian. don’t badmouth Deke.
by mutombo4life on Jul 14, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems like clutchfans
runoff is getting dumped on this site somehow. eyeroll while exclaiming, ‘oh brother’
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by olivarezq1 on Jul 9, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hi, you're unequivocally wrong.
What has he done for us? Well…
1. Swapped an aging, expensive point guard for a young, efficient, cheap point guard. That’s nearly impossible.
2. Swapped Vassilis Spanoulis, who went straight to Greece, for Luis Scola. From the Spurs. That should be enough to persuade you.
3. Traded a first round pick and Donte Greene for Ron Artest. The pick was in a weak draft, and Greene would never fit in with the Rockets.
4. Got three players in the second round of a draft without having a pick to begin with. Sergio Llull could be the steal of the draft.
5. His statistics are not mystical. Statistics are statistics – they are proven and right. You need to stop embarrassing yourself. Want us to go make Mike Dunleavy our GM? Or how about Chris Wallace?
Come on DreamShakers, please post with intelligence.
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by Tom Martin on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 AM CDT reply actions 10 recs
"Hi, you're unequivocally wrong."
beautiful
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2. Swapped Vassilis Spanoulis, who went straight to Greece, for Luis Scola. From the Spurs. That should be enough to persuade you.
Let me just tell you, we Spurs fans will never get over that one.
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by Tim C. on Jul 9, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES
MY FIRST GREEN COMMENT!!
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by Tom Martin on Jul 10, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...avery johnson?
anyone who wants AJ is clearly delusional…he hasn’t been able to find a job since being outcoached with with mavs….good luck with that
by fishbonebui on Jul 9, 2009 1:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally somebody said it
I stopped reading after that comment. Avery Johnson? Seriously???
by erod on Jul 9, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ has accomplished just as much as Idleman. Went to the Finals and lost, so what's the difference?
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by JakedaSnake on Jul 9, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for one
Adelman never pissed off the star player on his teams.
by grungedave on Jul 10, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO..he hasn't accomplished just as much
Why don’t you go look up their stats.
by erod on Jul 14, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell Yeah I Aree What Is Morey's Probelm?
Im Not To Pleased With Morey’s Moves This Off Season.
Iam Glad That We Got Ariza But The GM Gets A C+ Grade At This Point.
We Need A Center And A Decent Back Up, But Knowing Morey He Will Wait Until
There Are Nomore Options To Be Made.
Then Maybe Then Ol Leslie Might Give Him The Axe And Get A GM That Has The Balls To Do What Cuban Is Doing Right Now. “Signing Em Up Quick”
Now Look At Our Division, Every Other Team Seems To Be Getting The Picture When It Comes Down To What That Teams Needs Are And Making The Right Moves In Doing So. Now That The Word Is Out That Yao Is Not Hooping This Season Whats Next?
Mr.Morely Needs A Reality Check On Whose Who In The NBA, Because We Are Still A Team Thats In Alot Of Need Of A Few Missing Pieces…..
To The Lions I Say !!! Throw Him To The Lions!!!!
by mr.duce11 on Jul 9, 2009 2:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The offseason has been like 1 month long
Most moves don’t happen for 2-3 more months. You can’t grade an offseason until said offseason is over
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never wanna read your posts as using the caps like that is so annoying
if you take ESPN opinion on the C+ as fact, feel free to do so
13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.
by Duhoh on Jul 10, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morey is a good GM
Tom pointed out most of the pros but he he forgot to mention that Morey brought us wafer, who played about 40 games in 4 years averaging about 2 points a game, before coming to the rockets. I highly doubt any other GM would have even considered Wafer. Also Morey managed to get the Donte Greene off the 25th pick which he used to get artest. Looking at the team now, theres a pretty decent chance we’d be champs if it werent for injuries and you cant blame morey for injuries. (atleast for injuries to players he started off with) and also what other team can boast pushing the champs to 7 games without two of their “best” star players. If you took out the two best players from any other team they would sux
Rockets FTW
by BlackBlessing on Jul 9, 2009 2:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh jesus
hello tom. von wafer – that was kind of the most badass signing ever.
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by Tom Martin on Jul 9, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Morey inherited
When Morey came to the Rockets, he was given a franchise that had the bulk of its salary tied up in two players (Yao and T-Mac). With the very little wiggle room he has had to work with, he brought us Battier, Scola (I guarantee you Spurs fans are still pissed over that maneuver), Brooks, Wafer and Lowry. Thanks in no small part to this core of talent, we managed to push the eventual champions to seven games in the playoffs—even after losing T-Mac, Yao and our backup center to injuries. Aside from that, Morey is a complete imbecile and should be fired immediately.
(And this is completely off topic, but some of you people desperately need a quick refresher course in proper capitalization. Sheesh.)
by RedRyan on Jul 9, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Duce does not Abide.
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