Rockets/Suns/Blazers Trade Rumor
[Editor's Note: While I don't think this trade will happen (it's still appreciated info), there is a lot of good conversation going on in the comments. Keep it up. -- Lee]
Rumor was heard on 610 radio and they said it was from a credible source and the Rockets had discussed this trade with other GMs involved.
Houston Trades: Tracy McGrady, Carl Landry and Shane Battier
Gets: Amare Stoudemire and Jason Richardson
Phoenix Trades: Amare Stoudemire and Jason Richardson
Gets: Tracy McGrady, Carl Landry and Rudy Fernandez
Portland Trades: Rudy Fernandez
Gets: Shane Battier
What are your thoughts on this trade? I actually sort of like it. Although I wouldn't mind trading Battier directly to Portland for Rudy...
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Amare said yesterday that he wants to leave PHX if they’re not going to be a contender. It seems strange that he’d want to come to a Houston team that won’t be contending for at least another year.
by 8ThugPoetLA on Jul 9, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dick Justice has said that Adelman has flat out said he doesn't want him
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
which makes some sense.
Amare’s made a name for himself playing in a system very different from that which the Rockets use, alongside one of the greatest point guards of the post-Magic era. The numbers suggest he’s pretty good on defense, but he doesn’t seem committed to playing it. And he is also such a malcontent when it comes to coaches.
He’s a great player, but he would come at a large price, and he has a lot of strings attached.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and, oh yeah,
all those injury concerns.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not as worried about that
Other than microfracture (okay stop laughing at that) he’s been more of a wrong place wrong time injury guy.
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah,
other than the chronic knee issues that required major surgery to fix….
all he has now is a permanent, degenerative eye condition for which he’ll have to wear goggles the rest of his career.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Details ;-)
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one detail matters
Amare: Million dollar talent, 10 cent head.
by grungedave on Jul 9, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade
there’s nothing wrong with this trade
A. it gets us through the year
B. it gives us AMARE!!!! HELLLOOO!!!!!
C. and jus askin but does this take us out of the 2010 sweepstakes to get D Wade???
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by RocketOilers on Jul 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not completely
But it would take a LOT of finagling to make that happen. You’d have to move around more of the roster and be willing to go over the luxury tax. Then you have to decide if you want to pin your hopes on another injury prone guy (who is completely awesome but still injury prone)
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Battier
He is our leader, and our captain. How could we trade his leadership away especially now with no Deke!
by lumberjackmatt34 on Jul 9, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because he's the past
And it’s time for the future
I love Battier, and I hate Duke so that says something. But for him, and for the Rockets it’s best to move on.
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think you're underestimating:
1) Shane’s value to this team
2) How highly Morey thinks of him
3) The Rockets’ chances this year.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I do
And I also think that Morey knows how to build even more value. And he knows how to capitalize on that value.
Shane serves no purpose on a lottery bound team (not at his current age, maybe 3 years ago). If the Rockets really are trying to compete this year I don’t understand it, but I would still enjoy it. That’s the only way Shane sticks around past the trade deadline
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do what?
Shane serves no purpose on a lottery bound team (not at his current age, maybe 3 years ago)
Again, you’re assuming the Rockets won’t make the playoffs, and I think you’re ignoring the fact that the current Rockets are still a good team. Beyond that, McGrady is the wild card in all of this. He’s going to contribute – either by playing or by being traded.
Shane serves no purpose on a lottery bound team (not at his current age, maybe 3 years ago)
I don’t think any team should be in the habit of trading away one of its best players just because it’s having a bad season. And how much is Shane’s game going to deteriorate over the next two years, anyways? He might lose a step and some of his stamina between now and then, but he’ll contribute quite a bit in 2010-2011.
The way I see it, one of the “difficulties” the Rockets are currently facing is that most of their players are far more valuable as players than they are as trade assets. Most of these contracts (Cook and McGrady excepted, of course) are so under-value that whatever Morey gets back is going to be less than he gave out.
And Shane is one of those players. Morey clearly sees him differently than the rest of the league (to the NBA, Battier is simply a nice player to have off your bench; Morey has said he’s the equivalent of Carmelo or Vince Carter), and I just doubt that many other teams would give Morey what he thinks Shane is worth.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm
Trust me when I say this, but Shane himself expects to be traded.
by grungedave on Jul 9, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, okay
good for him?
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point
Isn’t that the Rockets aren’t a decent team. I still think in the West they are lottery bound this year. They’ll compete and hard, but they likely won’t win but a few more than they lose.
Now, that’s as it stands today, not where Morey may take it. And as it stands today, Shane serves less of a purpose on the team than he does in improving the team via trade.
In no way do I want to lose Shane, but in every way I feel it is necessary. He’s our best trade piece and we can get a good haul for him. If it’s Rudy F and Outlaw a GREAT haul.
I don’t agree that the rest of the league feels that way. I think they view Shane the same way Morey does because Morey has done a great job trumpeting Battier.
I think some of what you are thinking about other GMs is coming from the insane trade proposals that come up. Shane is worth a lot, and he’ll get a lot if the Rockets decide to trade them. And as Dave says, Shane does expect to get traded.
So if the Rockets got Amare for basically McGrady, do you feel that is under-value? Because that deal is absolutely out there if the Rockets want it. I say the Rockets win that trade ten fold, even if I don’t particularly care if they do it or not do it. They aren’t getting DWade or Lebron and I think Bosh is so crazily overrated that I can’t even put it in words.
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think in the West they are lottery bound this year.
See, I think the West is a lot worse this season. The only teams that seem to have improved over the course of the offseason are the Spurs (not so much because of the trade but because of Blair and McDyess) and the Blazers (simply developing). Utah doesn’t have any room to make a trade, Phoenix has self-destructed, Dallas is pinning its hopes on a 36 year-old, the Hornets are likely getting rid of Chandler for tax relief, and I don’t think Denver can count on Nene and assorted role-players again. And none of the Western lottery teams seem to be moving into playoff consideration. I think Dwyer’s prediction of the Rockets “looking ugly but winning 45 games” is kind of pessimistic. And, moreover, 45 games might be all you need this year.
I think they view Shane the same way Morey does because Morey has done a great job trumpeting Battier.
Really? Again, look at what Morey was claiming in that interview. He was saying that Battier is of the same value as several of the NBA’s superstars. That’s a bold claim, it’s one that even I – a guy who believes in statistical analysis and its value in basketball – have a hard time believing. Saying that Battier is as valuable a player as Carmelo Anthony is crazy on face, and yet Morey (by the indications he has given us) thinks that.
Now, maybe the other stats-oriented GMs (Pritchard, Presti) believe that, too, but maybe not. And that’s my point – I just find it hard to believe that other GMs believe what Morey believes, simply because what Morey believes is based on the Rockets’ proprietary information.
And as Dave says, Shane does expect to get traded.
I suspect that Shane always expects to be traded. I doubt any player – particularly one who has been seen as a role-player at best throughout his NBA career – can survive without thinking he might be traded at any moment.
So if the Rockets got Amare for basically McGrady, do you feel that is under-value?
No, but there’s virtually no reason for the Suns to do that trade. Amare opts out next year if the Suns don’t extend his contract, and McGrady’s contract expires at the end of the year, anyways. Trading Amare only makes sense if the Suns get something significant in return – good draft picks, good prospects, etc.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 9, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the contrary
I think Dallas has improved – this won’t be the disaster that Nash/Nowitzki/Jamison/Walker turned out to be.
The Nuggets will be better than the Rockets. I hope you’re kidding on that front.
I think that we’re lottery bound as well.
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by Tom Martin on Jul 10, 2009 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting post, but couldn't disagree more
I usually like Lad’s takes on the Rockets, but I can’t understand the optimism going into a season with a starting lineup of Brooks, Ariza, Battier, Scola and Hayes. That is not a good team. That team can’t score. That team will have a hard time keeping other teams off of the glass. It’s a decent defensive unit, but obviously nobody’s there to protect the rim (unless you count Chuck, Luis and Shane taking charges, which I’m sure will happen plenty).
See, I think the West is a lot worse this season. The only teams that seem to have improved over the course of the offseason are the Spurs (not so much because of the trade but because of Blair and McDyess) and the Blazers (simply developing). Utah doesn’t have any room to make a trade, Phoenix has self-destructed, Dallas is pinning its hopes on a 36 year-old, the Hornets are likely getting rid of Chandler for tax relief, and I don’t think Denver can count on Nene and assorted role-players again. And none of the Western lottery teams seem to be moving into playoff consideration. I think Dwyer’s prediction of the Rockets "looking ugly but winning 45 games" is kind of pessimistic. And, moreover, 45 games might be all you need this year.
The west may be somewhat worse than it was, but there is absolutely no argument that can be made that any team in the west took a bigger step backward than the Rockets. No matter how you cut it, the Rockets essentially traded Yao and Artest for Trevor Ariza. But taking a closer look, 8 teams make the playoffs and the 7 teams not named the Rockets that qualified for the playoffs last year are much better positioned at this time than the Rockets. I think we can both agree that the Lakers, Spurs and Blazers are no brainers. You say Utah doesn’t have room to make a trade, and they will probably lose Millsap, but they’ve retained Boozer and Okur (both of whom are playing for a contract). Last I checked they still employ Deron Williams and they play in a building at home that they can sleep-walk through and win 30 games. Dallas brings back the same team that won 50 games last year. Have added a young athletic center and Shawn Marion. You’ve got to think Josh Howard is healthier this year than he was last year. I don’t see how they’ve pinned their hopes to Kidd though. He may decline some, but to say they haven’t improved is pretty silly. If you really think that the Rockets have a better chance to make the playoffs than the Nuggets, I think you’ve lost your mind, but your reasoning might of not wanting to rely on role-players would leave the Rockets in a world of hurt since the entire roster at the moment is full of nothing but role players. I do agree that the Hornets could be in for a fall if they lose Chandler. Aside from C Paul and David West, their roster is atrocious and they have close to $80 million in guaranteed contracts for next season ($10 million into luxury tax land), and another $66 million for the 2010-2011 season (when they’ll be paying Peja, MoPete and James Posey a combined $28 million). But they’ve still got Chris Paul. And I don’t think the Suns have truly self-destructed. Yea, they lost Shaq, but they get back Amare after he missed a lot of time last year. They’ve still got Steve Nash.
So IMO, there are two playoff spots that might still be up for grabs. The lottery teams have gotten better. And the two that I think could legitimately make a jump are (and don’t laugh) the Clippers and the Thunder. I know the Clippers have been terrible, but they’ve added Blake Griffin and gotten rid of Zach Randolph (clearly addition by subtraction). They’ll run out a starting lineup of Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, Al Thornton, Blake Griffin and Chris Kaman. The bench is thin and the coach is a question mark, but they’ve got some talent. And I think the Thunder will be much improved. Durant and Westbrook will be a year older. Maybe they sign a guy like Paul Millsap. The Rockets are probably still a better team, but what if Battier ends up missing some time. Last year’s time was constructed to withstand some injuries, but this year’s team (if everything stands pat) is not going to be able to adjust like it was last year, so maybe the Rockets can sneak into the playoffs, but I think it happens if the West comes WAY down and the 8th seed can get in with fewer than 40 wins.
Really? Again, look at what Morey was claiming in that interview. He was saying that Battier is of the same value as several of the NBA’s superstars. That’s a bold claim, it’s one that even I – a guy who believes in statistical analysis and its value in basketball – have a hard time believing. Saying that Battier is as valuable a player as Carmelo Anthony is crazy on face, and yet Morey (by the indications he has given us) thinks that.
The idea that Battier is as valuable a player as Carmelo isn’t so crazy if you put it into context. On a team that starts Rafer, TMac, Scola and Yao, you’d rather have Battier because of his contributions on defense and because he doesn’t need the ball to be effective. But on a team that starts Brooks, Ariza, Scola and Hayes, I don’t think there’s anyway Battier’s defensive contributions outweigh the A+++ scoring that Carmelo provides. And let’s just focus a little bit more on a starting lineup of Brooks, Ariza, Battier, Scola and Hayes. And with Lowry, Landry and Barry being your first three off the bench, you really think that team is good enough to make the playoffs? And good enough that a prediction of 45 ugly wins is on the pessimistic side? And before you say I haven’t accounted for TMac, I understand that he has some value. Maybe he comes back and contributes something. Maybe Morey moves his contract. But I think the chances of him playing and contributing something are in the 1% range, so let’s say the 610 rumor actually happened. Is a Brooks, JRich, Ariza, Scola, Amare trio going to make the playoffs? Is it worth it to sneak into the playoffs to get drubbed by the Lakers in the first round? Do you think a team with Amare as its best player can win a championship? Let’s say Yao actually comes back and you build around Yao and Amare. Is that a team that can win the championship? I don’t really know the answers to any of those questions, but I know the Rockets can’t win a title next season and would rather they not rush into something this offseason just to sneak into the playoffs.
by forshizzzle on Jul 10, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great post
unfortunately, I’m a little strapped for time, so I’ll just address a few of your points in broad strokes:
1) I don’t mean to say that any of the current playoff teams (say, Denver) will miss the playoffs in 2010. I’m just saying that the overall quality of the Western conference seems to have declined over the past few weeks. Obviously, a lot can change in the coming months, but it seems to me that only a few teams have improved. Both you and Tom make good points about Dallas, and you’re probably right about them improving, as well.
2) My claim is that the Rockets – as currently constructed – can capture the 7th or 8th playoff seed in the West.
3) Offensively, the Rockets will probably struggle. But we’ve seen the Rockets play great defense and decent offense without Yao and Tracy, simply because they start moving the ball better and finding better looks. Adelman’s offensive system, I think, will help them out. I don’t think they’ll be by any means a good offensive team, but I think they can get the job done. And now there’s no Ron Artest or Rafer Alston chucking away.
To put it simply, the Rockets right now look live a fairly efficient team. And they do two other things very well – defend and rebound. Fortunately for the Rockets, that’s pretty much all basketball is – shoot accurately, stop the other guy from shooting accurately, and keep the other guy from getting extra possessions. Shot creation is the big question in all of this, but I think Adelman can help on that.
4) I doubt the Clippers can make up twenty-five wins (probably about the level for playoff contention) next season. I can see them moving up quite a bit, depending on how much the team improves and how good Griffin turns out to be, but 25 wins would just be too much. Same goes for the Thunder. Though, if there’s any team that might do that, it’s OKC. Golden State strikes me as a team that got very unlucky with injuries last season, and they might surprise. Again, things might change as the summer moves along.
5) As for McGrady’s contributions, I think 2008 T-Mac is about the baseline of what we can expect this season. And 2008 T-Mac was pretty crappy. I’d expect something better than that, though. Maybe 2007 T-Mac. The issue is how long McGrady plays this season, or who we get in return for him.
6) I think your point about individual team values for players (Carmelo’s value to the Rockets outweighing his value to another team, simply because of lack of scoring) is a good one. But part of Morey’s point in that article is that Shane’s skills are diverse enough that they will compliment any team. And, in any case, my point wasn’t so much that Morey wouldn’t make a move that included Shane, it’s that I doubt that other teams would offer Morey what he thinks Shane is worth.
7) As for whether or not such a season is desirable (versus the alternative of a guaranteed lottery season): yes, a playoff berth is more desirable than a “rebuilding” season. I don’t want to watch a 30-win Rockets team. That doesn’t mean Morey should make stupid moves to contend this season, just that there’s little point in scrapping the team just because Yao is missing for a season.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 10, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shane is getting old
trade him when he is of some value
are you saying with Brooks, Jason,Ariza, Amare/Scola and a certain X we are not in the playoff race?
by Sidwho on Jul 10, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
this would make the rockets a more exciting team to watch, but i dont really know if this makes us a better team. Neither of those guys seem like they would fit in the Rockets system, but im sure Adelman could adjust accordingly. I doubt that team would get out of the first round if they make the playoffs. I could be wrong though. We would still need a defensive presence inside.
by shaqui chan on Jul 9, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i like it
this definitely would solve the shooting guard spot and some one low in the post. i have no problems in jason richardson, but amare’s defense isn’t all that great and he has his fair share of injuries. if this goes through though it will be a blessing bc we would have to play makers. i’m all for this trade. anymore details.
by Mleong412 on Jul 9, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stoudemire....
i’m all for that trade; but I still think we need to be in the hunt for a true center; as Stoudemire will only bring Scolas ppg down next season; We need a defense first Center; but with J-Rich and Stoudemire, that does pack a scoring punch; maybe at the end of next season we’ll include Scola in a package deal for a center!
by bmwdriver7series on Jul 9, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
picking up JRich
is not forward thinking, the guy turns 29 in january. on top of that, him coming on would clog our ability to sign a star guard in 2010; he doesn’t seem like he’d be willing to come off the bench a la allen iverson. another problem with the 2010 thing is he is due 13 mill through 2011. and then there’s stoudemire, who probably wouldn’t fit here because of how uncommitted he is defensively.
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by olivarezq1 on Jul 9, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The whole "willing to come off the bench" stuff always makes me laugh
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell that to AI… “come off the bench, sorry, my back hurt, even though i am not going to play anymore, you still have to pay me.”
by pbok_bigtime on Jul 9, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's when you suspend a guy without pay
Which is absolutely doable
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by UofTOrange on Jul 10, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Phoenix cash-strapped?
From all of the rumors this offseason concerning Phoenix, I figured they’d be gunning for the lottery.
Them picking up McGrady’s contract, if that is indeed included in the deal would seem completely contradictory to their end-game. Unless they just assume that his acquisition wouldn’t be worth a damn for another year and they’d try to sign him then.
/shrug
by jasonmicron on Jul 9, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A couple of things
1. McGrady will likely get some insurance payments if he’s really hurt badly enough to miss half of the season
2. His contract expires after the season, so it’s one season of paying part of a contract instead of multiple seasons of having to pay 2 contracts
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by UofTOrange on Jul 9, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, trying again...
Sorry—posted that by accident. Anyway, I just don’t see this as being plausible. Firstly, I think Battier is too critical to the chemistry of the team to cut loose, especially with Yao out of commission. Second, as I stated here, what GM in his right mind is going to assume a $23 million contract for a guy who might play at 90% capacity for half a season? Trust me, I want to be out from under T-Mac’s bad knee and bloated salary as much as the next Rockets fan, but unless the relationship between Amare and the Suns is completely beyond repair, I just can’t see Phoenix going for this.
by RedRyan on Jul 9, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh
A ton of teams what McGrady BECAUSE of his bloated salary. He will come off the books in time for teams to pursue the famed free agent free for all coming up.
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by Artest4Prez on Jul 9, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think this is a good trade for us because
we get rid of tracy’s ginormous contract, we get an incredible post player and mid range shooter in amare who is still young btw, and we will still have a go to guy in the post without yao. scola and amare sounds like a veryyy good post presence and rebounding wise too. id hate to part ways with battier but we already have a younger and stronger defensive stopper in ariza who proved his great D in the playoffs. i love carl landry but….. amare is just too good to pass up. now if carl landry were 7 feet tall, which hes not :(, i would take him over dwight howard. (yes call me stupid but carl has much better offensive game than dwight and is just as strong). hopefully the trade goes out well and adelman will just accept having armare. (one more thing, we got j-rich!!) one of the most athletic guys in the nba. a great shooter, great finisher and can jump reallly high.)
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by Rockets 4 Life on Jul 9, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
uh
no need to say Carl Landry would be better than Dwight Howard if he were 7 feet tall….because he’s not. If Landry were taller, he may not be as athletic. Howard is a unique specimen.
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by Tom Martin on Jul 9, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're overestimating some things here
Amare is a pretty poor rebounder for a 6-10 freakishly athletic forward/center. Never has averaged double digits, and that’s been on the super-jacked pace of the SSOL Suns. Ariza was a pretty good defender, but he’s nowhere near Battier’s league, yet at least. Landry, check Tom’s post. And as for J-Rich, whoopie! He can jump high. You go down to the park and you’ll see dudes who can jump over cars and dunk, etc. J-Rich needs shot attempts to put up his points, can’t handle the rock too well, and has an aversion for defense and passing. He and Amare are basically the anti-Rockets. If the Rockets do this deal, they will be giving up their best defensive player, a very good defensive player, and T-Mac, for two horrible defenders who demand the ball and don’t really enjoy sharing it. Besides, Amare needs a point guard who can facilitate some offense for him. Don’t really see Brooks, more of a scoring guard, playing excellent pick and pop/roll/oop ball with Amare.
by Dodgerblue15 on Jul 9, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
id give u pryzbilla and unprotected first for Battier and landry or hayes
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by CroRupt on Jul 9, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
as u need a center and rebuilding?
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 9, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the trade.
except for the fact that Portland makes out way better.
I like this one better.
Brandon Roy for Brian Cook, Joey Dorsey and a future 2nd rounder.
Sound fair?
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by Artest4Prez on Jul 9, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
add ariza,yao,brooks,battier,mcgrady,adelman, and your dog
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 9, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
roy for cook and dorsey and 2nd rounder...not even first..u smokin somehting?
by Sidwho on Jul 10, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was sarcasm.
I thought I was laying it on pretty thick but I guess not.
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by Artest4Prez on Jul 10, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
life lesson:
If somebody writes everything like the liner notes on a Prince album, then he’s probably not going to get the joke.
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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 10, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
amare's stats are so inflated
anyone notice how his stats started goin up once they started playin uptempo again? he’s one of tha most overrated players in tha league. however, if the Rockets played him at center it could allow them to run w/ Brooks pushin tha pace and tha athletic Ariza and J-Rich on tha wing. I dont know if that translates to wins but I do know it would at least be fun to watch.
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by TitanFan2K on Jul 9, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't work from Portland's end because of the unbalanced roster.
This would leave the Blazers with a lineup that looks something like this:
C: Oden/Pryz
PF: Aldridge/Outlaw
SF: Battier/Batum/Webster/Outlaw
SG: Roy
PG: Blake/Bayless
As much as I love Battier, another shoe would have to drop of Portland were to be part of this trade. They’d need to ship out a SF (preferably Outlaw or Webster) in exchange for a PG or backup SG.
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by rockingharder on Jul 9, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually Webster can play the 2
in fact when he came in the league he was really only seen as a 2. When Brandon came to town he slid to the 3 and has responded well, he could play either position if he is healthy. Also, Travis Outlaw will be moved this summer, bags are packed good bye T.O. So expect a third sting pg and a banger pf to finish out the list. That’s if the Blazers would pull the trigger on Rudy, which I am not sure they would.
Oden/Pryz
Aldridge/Pendergraph/trade asset
Battier/Batum/Webster
Roy/Webster
Blake/Bayless/trade asset/pat mills
by The Natural ala Mode on Jul 9, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this concern if overrated.
Battier can play the 2 as well, so long as the PG and/or SF can create offense. He’s often guarding 2s on the other end anyway (Roy, Kobe). So Bayless/Battier or Roy/Battier would be fine backcourts. (Blake/Battier might be a bit offensively limiting, though. I’ll give you that.)
by Metalate on Jul 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMFG!!!!!!
If this trade works out, there will be NO defense left in houston
by fishbonebui on Jul 9, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate it!!!
I know hate is a strong word but…..
Amare- doesn’t rebound much for athletic big man, plays poor defence (leaving us without a defensive presence), he has very little post moves/game and has been getting lazy shooting more and more jumpers around 20ft (maybe to preserve his knees, but then looses his effectiveness), and on top of all this he’s injury prone and coming off eye surgery in which we are yet to see how he deals with goggles.
Richo- his contract is not what we want right now! When we have a good chance to sign someone decent next summer
"It's who we are," Battier said. "I don't think we're going to get the love of the six foot blonde bombshell. That's what the Lakers are here for. It's alright, I like our demographic."
by DREAM34 on Jul 9, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't have Rudy!
You can’t! YOU can’t! YOU CAN’T!!! (holds breath, turns blue)
Duct tape makes you smart.
by TTRocks on Jul 9, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is one complex trade. If it weren’t for the Marion deal, I’d call it nothing but glue vapors.
Ignoring its likelihood or lack thereof, I’m not sure how I feel about this one. I used to be high on Stoudamire — particularly after that insane from-below block of a Tim Duncan dunk during the playoffs a few years ago — but I don’t know how much of that Amare is left any more.
I can’t comment on JRich because I haven’t really followed his game that closely.
I tend to favor the sentiment for preserving/freeing up as much cap space as possible for the free agent frenzy in ’10.
by DribbleHooper on Jul 9, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another bogus McGrady trade
This is some Phoenix fans wet dream to get rid of Amare and Richardson and get Rudy.
There is no need for Battier in such a trade-McGrady and Landry’s contracts are roughly $1mil LESS than Amare and Richardson’s.
If Portland was willing to use their cap space to absorb Battier,the Rockets could send him directly and get Rudy for themselves.
Richardson’s contract elimanets any chance the Rockets can sign any FA next yr,except a MLE.
McGrady is NOT BEING TRADED THIS SEASON because at end of season he can be signed to any dollar amount and used in a sign-n-trade,w/out McGrady being a BYC.(He’d be signed to a 1 yr deal w/only a couple mil guaranteed so he could then be immediately bought out and become a FA again.)The Rockets throw in a couple of Firsts and the team afraid of losing the FA for nothing gets all the cap room and some Firsts.
by Tisbee on Jul 9, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I aint' buying this.
MacGrady won’t sign a 1-year deal. He couldn’t be given a guarantee that he would be bought out. If I were a 30-yr old with serious injury concerns, I wouldn’t sign a 1-yr deal if I didn’t have to either.
by Metalate on Jul 10, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont touch my Rudy
Get your dirty hands off my Rudy.
by ItsMrHarris2u on Jul 9, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Im Good As Long As T-Mac Is Gone
I Hate That Carl & Shane Have To Be The Scape Goats
But We Need A Center And Another Wing Man Wouldnt Hurt Either.
I Hope That This Shit Goes Down Like It Was Heard On 610 Radio,
So We Will Wait And See What Morey Has Up His Sleeves Besides
This Texas Heat And Sweaty Palms From The Heat Index.
by mr.duce11 on Jul 9, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HELL NO
KEEP BATTIER. Hes a very big part of our team and keeps the team going with his hustle and intensity.
by destrilogy on Jul 9, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare, Ariza, Scola, J-Rich, Shane
I think that’s one of the best line-ups we can come up with since we’re losing Yao and I think it would not just be a 2009-10 phenomenon but a multi-year success story. If we pull this off and give Amare the opportunity to grow into his full potential, I think he could become a Hall-of-Fame player. But while Amare is one of my favorite players – I’d hate to lose Shane. He’s crucial to the grit and essential to the chemistry.
At this point T-Mac is a drag on the Rockets and I’m not convinced that will change anytime in the next couple of years because he’s not really committed to the team at this point. Amare and his sparkwould be a spectacular trade for the Rockets and a disaster for what’sleft of the Suns.
by fedres on Jul 10, 2009 12:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
....
i hope that line up of yours is not seriously the best you can come up with.
the only “guard” in that lineup is jrich. and he has mediocre ball handling.
with amare at center. the lineup should be small and fast. yet, the 5 and 4 are under sized. and the 1, 2, and 3 are oversized.
by Air Korea on Jul 10, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming from a Rockets fan living in Phoenix...
I would hate to see the Rockets do this. Last year when Diaw and Bell were traded to the Bobcats for J Rich and Dudley, we all thought that the Suns were in for something amazing. J Rich turned out to be a lackluster 3pt shooter who never met a shot he didn’t like and basically played no defense except for the occasional steal. I can still picture J Rich getting his 360 dunk blocked from behind by Lebron. As for Amar’e? Although he has decent numbers, he’s a horrible rebounder and plays no interior D except for the occasional block of some SG or SF driving the lane. It’s easy to say “I get 20/10” when there are no other bigs on your team; not to mention Amar’e wants to be the #1 option which he clearly isn’t capable of being. I just don’t see either player benefiting the Rockets next year.
by Optical Delusion on Jul 10, 2009 12:21 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
someone who speaks truth about amare!!!!!
great player on the offensive end, TERRIBLE on the defensive end
13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.
by Duhoh on Jul 11, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade with portland
i think a better trade for houston would be
battier + landry
for
pryzabila and fernandez.
blazers want battier and landry is awesome.
we get our center and sg that we need
by AlDe2356 on Jul 10, 2009 1:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, Im against trading Battier
If they could do it w/o trading Battier I’d love it
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by harendaman365 on Jul 10, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I am fairly certain that Shane Battier will play as a Rocket next year!
He won’t be traded. This is time for Rockets to pave the way for a new brand of basketball with 10 competent players playing together.
by Kari on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep - Amare, Ariza, Scola, J-Rich, Shane
I didn’t mean to stir up the natives, but this line-up could really shake-up the West. I know it has gotten a lot of negative reaction – and I appreciate everyone’s comments – but I still think it would be right mix for the Rockets in a very tough year because of the quickness and tenacity Ariza is bringing to the team, and the scoring and presence Amare could add to the rockets.
However, given the opposition to my earlier proposal – what does everyone think we should do for the Rockets at center? At the risk of poking a stick into a hornets nest again, how does Chris Bosh sound? I like his style and his offensive potential but how would Bosh mesh with everyone else on the court? Or Tyson Chandler, what about him?
by fedres on Jul 11, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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