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As Wiz move to demolish roster, front office is seriously exploring a deal for T-Mac's expiring deal, sources say. [Caron] Butler likely bait.

about 2 years ago Minimalistchalksquare_tiny Evan Dunlap 36 comments 0 recs  | 

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nah we dont want Caron or anything the Wiz have.

NEVER underestimate the heart of a champion...
-Q-

by mangelq75 on Jan 1, 2010 6:29 PM CST reply actions  

why not?

Caron is a very good player…
I just don’t know a way to get salaries to match.

by grungedave on Jan 2, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

a very over paid player injured player. why do we wanna tradetmac for tmac?

$10 million plus is too much for CB.

NEVER underestimate the heart of a champion...
-Q-

by mangelq75 on Jan 2, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for posting this, Evan

I would actually be interested, so long as we don’t throw in a draft pick.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 1, 2010 10:07 PM CST reply actions  

let's see:

Overpaid [x]
Another forward [x]
Eats most/all of the Rockets’ cap space for next season [x]

Yep, this would suck.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 1, 2010 10:26 PM CST reply actions  

If Ariza can play the 2...

You don’t think that Butler can? He’s overpaid, but it’s only 9 mil for next year. Could be worse. He’s probably as good or better than anyone we could get in FA (honestly, it’s a party that we’re going to have to try to sneak into, and Joe Johnson will be much more difficult to get than we think).

He’s quietly one of the more efficient players in the league, and as far as this season is concerned, he’s had to deal with a new coach, a bunch of new players, and a different scheme that surrounds a crappy has-been in Arenas. He’s atop the list of those who need a change of scenery.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 1, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Joe Johnson will be much more difficult to get than we think

I do not understand everyone’s obsession with Johnson. He has never struck me as anything more than a lower-tier all-star, if that. Now, I like quite a few of those, and I hope the Rockets can acquire one, but Johnson is not worth the amount of money people seem to think he does.

You don’t think that Butler can?

I suppose he can. You’re right.

He’s quietly one of the more efficient players in the league,

On the offensive end, yes.
He’s probably as good or better than anyone we could get in FA

Probably, since we’re not going to compete in the FA market unless Battier’s contract is dumped (which won’t happen). Howevuh, I hope that the Rockets can find something better than this on the trade market.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 1, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

I’ve never looked at him that way before.

Thanks for the insight, Stephen A.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 1, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

hey
Thanks for the insight, Stephen A.

let’s not say anything we can’t take back.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 1, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

actually

I’ve changed my mind.

QUITE FRANKLY, CARON BUTLER IS THE BEST FORWARD SINCE SLAVA MEDVEDENKO.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 1, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it strange that I miss Stephen A?

I thoroughly enjoyed seeing him make an ass out of himself, and it saddens me that there will be no more SASHSOG draft videos. Say what you will about his skills as an NBA reporter and analyst, his antics were hilarious.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 1, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

True.

I miss Slava as well.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 2, 2010 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL!!

NEVER underestimate the heart of a champion...
-Q-

by mangelq75 on Jan 2, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and

Caron Butler isn’t too bad on defense, and he can’t be worse than Tracy. Yeah, if Mac is up against Kobe or LeBron or All-Star X, then he’ll step up on defense, but he tanks against other folks out there.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 1, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think we desperately need Butler for his defense

We’ve already got Ariza and Battier to rotate on the opponent’s best wing. If we lose Battier in two years, we still have Ariza.

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by Tom Martin on Jan 1, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

we may not need him for his defense

but he still has to play defense when he’s on the court. Do his offensive contributions outweigh his defensive failings? Yes, they do, but not enough to drastically upgrade the Rockets, imo.

And that’s the key – we can probably find quite a few players who will add something to this team, but it’s much more difficult to find someone who will take them to the next level. Yao will make this team a very dangerous foe in the playoffs. Another all-star level talent will make them title contenders. And that’s what has to be found. If that player can’t be acquired with Tracy’s contract, it’s better to see what can be found in the FA market in the offseason.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 1, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Or...

We do nothing, improve next season, and then….

DURANT 2 HOUSTON 2011. zOmg!

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by Tom Martin on Jan 1, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I lawled at the zOmg

It doesn’t matter what we do (within reason). When Yao comes back, it’s automatically an improvement.

by Mejeh on Jan 2, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

technically...

Tracy McGrady has really only been a “lower tier all-star”, too (in hindsight)

by grungedave on Jan 2, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

What? Not from 2000 – 2006.

by VBG on Jan 2, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

For Houston, sure

I’m just going to assume you left that part off. I know you hate him and all and just love Kobe (and I freaking HATE Kobe, or rather the obsessive manner Laker fans adore him) but you seriously are mistaken if you think McGrady was never more than a lower-tier all star in Orlando.

by jasonmicron on Jan 3, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Since when is Caron viewed as overpaid?

He’s having a down season but I thought the general consensus was that he’s on a pretty fair contract.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Jan 1, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

that's my view of it

I freely admit that my view is not the view of everyone else.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 1, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather have caron then gilbert.

Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young

by Rockets 4 Life on Jan 1, 2010 10:52 PM CST reply actions  

Doesn't everyone?

Gilbert and Brand possibly have the worst contracts in the league.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Jan 1, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

TMac's is up this year

Brand will be making 18 million in 2012/13 and Arenas will be making 22 million in 2013/14. Those are long, expensive contracts for players who are probably both past their primes.

by jack_ on Jan 2, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

who wants Gilbert?

Agent Zero is awesome…
his knees and contract, however, are not.

by grungedave on Jan 2, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

defense?

the rockets arent going to get the perfect player/players, if Caron’s defense seems to be the only thing in question im pretty sure he wouldnt be guarding the big name players as long as battier and ariza are still on the team

by mcgadget on Jan 2, 2010 12:54 PM CST reply actions  

I actually wouldnt mind this dead IF

it doesnt seriously limit Shane and Ariza’s effectiveness and also Ariza’s development. But I guess Ariza can play at the 2 since he’s more effective there IMO. Shane can come off the bench and Caron could start in his place. Not to mention we have a guy we could go to in clutch situations to create his own shot besides Aaron. I like.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

I like this for the Rockets

The wizards and rockets are my two favorite teams in that order. I watch mostly every wizards game and I think Caron could very much help this team. He can make a j and brings more of a mid-range and in/ post up game that the rockets don’t have from the 3. He has averaged 4.3 and 4.9 assists the last 2 years which the rockets could use out of another position besides the pgs. And most of you guys are selling him short big time on the defensive end. he is probably the wizards best perimeter defender (not saying much) and if u put him on a team that hustles and plays d like the rockets, his competitiveness will REALLY come out big time. And it is not out of the question for him to start at SG. The only problem is the minutes between him trevor and shane but i havent really had the opportunity to watch the rockets and understand their rotation this year.

by returnofswagger on Jan 7, 2010 9:31 PM CST reply actions  

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