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Iguodala and Dalembert is exactly what we need

Iguodala meet all of the criteria that we need in Tmacs replacement. He creates off the dribble, attacks the rim, gets to the FT line, plays good defense, wants to take the big shot, and even better he has made game winning shots before. And for the last three years he has been THE GUY for Philly, and even led them to the playoffs last year, and made it a long series against the Eastern Conference champs. Now I’m not as excited about Dalembert, but this team needs height, size, and shot blocking this year and Dalembert brings that. Not to mention none of us can predict what Yao will be when he returns next year. So at the very least he is a good insurance policy to Yao Ming. And you know what the real sweetner is, and everyone seems to be overlooking this, Dalembert only has one year left on his deal after this one. That means that next year he becomes the golden ticket by way of a 10-12 million dollar expiring contract. Folks that is the type of contract that got the Lakers Pau Gasol. Tmac contract is really difficult to match making a deal hard to agree to, but any contract in the 10-12 million dollar range would be much more accomodating. Another thing being over looked is that although Tmac 23 million drops off if we dont trade him, we’re still over the cap now, and would only get under by about 8-10 million, plus we still need to resign Scola, and make decision on Lowry and Hayes, and it wouldn’t hurt to lock up Brooks and Landry this summer and not risk losing them to free agency at the end of next year. With that in mind, if we did any type of deal involving Iguodala, regardless of whether or not Dalembert was in the equation, we wouldn’t have any money left to be a player in free agency this summer. Come on people, lets start thinking!



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i could understand it now

unfortunately daryl morey won’t. at least any trades with dalembert in them. i dont think he has a problem with iggy. iggy for t-mac trade is good enough for me.

Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young

by Rockets 4 Life on Jan 2, 2010 12:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dalembert’s contract is more palatable than Brand’s, at least.

by OremLK on Jan 2, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be so quick to dismiss the possibility

Morey is a boy genious, and he undoubtedly wants to to play offers against each other. I wouldn’t doubt if Morey or someone from the Rockets leaked this story/rumor on purpose in an attempt to raise the offers from other teams. The rockets likely wont have near enough money to entice a big name free agent, and Iggy’s a 2nd tier SG. Plus keep in mind if we cant/dont trade Dalembert at the end of next year, we would still have his bird rights, and there’s no way anybody offers him a big contract again, so in essence we would be solving the need of who backs up Yao, and alternatively if Yao cannot make it back to his pre-surgery form ala Tmac, then Dalembert is a solid if not spectacular replacement that could be a cheap bargain in 2 years.

by datruth_23 on Jan 2, 2010 1:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i actually like this trade right here:

Houston gets:

iggy, dalembert, speights

Philly gets:

t-mac, chuck wagon

houston gets rid of t-mac, gets iggy and a young guy in speights. philly gets a great post defender like chuck.

you guys can call me an idiot or a genius. i don’t care. this is what i think.

Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young

by Rockets 4 Life on Jan 2, 2010 1:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldnt mind SD as a back up center its just his 15% trade kicker & big contract that kills me.

Other than those 2 hes not terribly bad at the C position & we could do worse as back ups go. The idea of holding his birds when next years over & yes doubtful other teams offer up big $ is great. We could get him for say mid level or around there. I do like that! But we’d be way over the cap & carry a 3rd C in Andersen which I don’t think many teams do.

NEVER underestimate the heart of a champion...
-Q-

by mangelq75 on Jan 2, 2010 1:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

that is the overlooked part

The trade kicker is a bitch… and probably why this trade goes nowhere.

I like Iggy though.

by grungedave on Jan 2, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A thought about cap space...

If we got Iggy in this trade, he is almost certainly better than anyone we would snag with the cap space left over after T-Mac is gone. Trading is by far the Rockets’ best option for getting a top-tier player (which I consider Iggy to be).

by ghost of cassell on Jan 2, 2010 1:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Now everyone is strarting to think

Can you see the logic behind this now? Iggy would be much better than anyone we could snag with our left over cap space this summer, unless we gut our team by letting Scola, Hayes, and Lowry walk. Yes that trade kicker is tough to swallow, but it didn’t stop us from traading for Mike James, so I doubt it would stop us in this situation. Especially seeing as how we get Iggy in the deal also. Another factor to consider is that we may be able to get one of their other promising young talents. I believe that who that other young talent is, and what it might potentially cost us in return is more of a sticking point the two teams than McGrady for Iggy and Dalembert.

by datruth_23 on Jan 2, 2010 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

hmm

i’ve seen some complaints from a few rox fans about dalembert, which i didnt understand, he would be brought in for the same reasons as Deke, you cant really argue with that, plus he’s younger, he might get a few tip dunks or alley-oops in there, i think the Sixer trade is one of the better ones that should take some looking at, along with a Chicago trade

by mcgadget on Jan 2, 2010 12:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly....and better than anything Chicago could offer

Unless Derick Rose is coming back, which aint happening, what else does chicago have to offer. we’ve discussed how expiring contracts don’t really help us this summer, and John Salmons is nowhere near as good as Iguodala, although he’s cheaper. But he can also opt out after this season, which would leave us with nothing. Luol Deng is a SF, we don’t need another one. Budinger will eventually settle in as exclusively a SF. And Tyrus Thomas duplicates Carl Landry.

by datruth_23 on Jan 2, 2010 2:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i just trying to think of a way

to get 3 guys to Houston…

Brad Miller, Tyrus Thomas, and Igoudala…

HOU gets: Miller, Thomas, Iggy

PHILLY gets: T-Mac

CHI gets: Dalembert, Cook, Taylor

IDK how it would work…

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jan 2, 2010 6:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Im for this trade more than any other being thrown around.

If we break them all down Iguodala with hopefully Speights is the best option. Hes a superstar compared to say Salmons which I wouldn’t want, Miller isn’t as good as Chuck wagon, just taller! Tyrus is basically Landry & Deng isn’t worth the money he makes though hes not a bad player? Doesn’t make sense to me. Knicks have nothing we want besides more expiring contracts & maybe Galinari or other young players like Hill or Chandler which are not as good as Landry & Budinger! I agree that we wont get any top notch FA if we let the contract expire or trade for more expiring contracts we really lose in my opinion. I just think its the best option & hopefully so does Iggy, “Tippin’ on 44’s!”

NEVER underestimate the heart of a champion...
-Q-

by mangelq75 on Jan 2, 2010 7:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Iggy Trade good for Rockets

The Iggy trade to the Rockets is the best one discussed so far. Kevin Martin is a great scorer, but plays no defense and injury prone. The Bulls trade for Tyrus Thomas, gives you a duplicate of Landry, but not as good of scorer as Landry. The trade of Iggy, Kapono, and Speights for Tmac and Lowry works by the numbers. Philly wrote in their papers that they need a true point guard, and Lowry has a Philly type attitude that they would love. They won’t hand over Iggy and Speights for just Tmac, without getting something back to sell their fans. They getting a starting PG to play with A.i at the 2, have Thaddeus Young to groom as the SF. If Houston can swing Speights, the 22 year old 6-10,245 pound center with a PER of 22, that would be a steal. He is young and athletic, and would play great along with Landry and Scola. Kapono’s 6.8 million dollar contract comes off the books this offseason, and that is the money you will need to resign our own free agents.

by FriscoRockt on Jan 2, 2010 7:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I would hope to keep Lowry & throw in the Andersen!!

With Speights coming in Andersen loses his minutes. I know, I know thats wishful thinking something, Iggy & Speights & Kapono, for nothing, Tmac & Andersen. Hey I’m hating the thought of breaking up the team chemistry so what can I say!? it works financially but we’d have to release Harris to make a 2 for 3 trade.

NEVER underestimate the heart of a champion...
-Q-

by mangelq75 on Jan 2, 2010 9:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

or just add in MR. COOK?

who doesnt want a PF that can shoot 3’s?!?!? (notice how I didn’t say HIT 3’s)

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jan 2, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol!

NEVER underestimate the heart of a champion...
-Q-

by mangelq75 on Jan 3, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Iverson, Tmac in Philly= Loserville

Can you guys see the Iverson and Tmac on the floor at the same time for the Sixers….neither guy would ever pass to the other because they wouldn’t get the ball back to jack up their 25 footer after pounding the ball for 23 seconds of the shot clock. Does either guy fit in Eddie Jordan’s Princeton offense? They’re both the anti Princeton offense. That would be some great drama!

by FriscoRockt on Jan 3, 2010 12:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If Philly is seriously willing to unload Iguodala

As the price to get rid of Dalembert’s contract, then I don’t see how Morey could refuse. It’s far, far better than gambling on 2010, in which the possibility of free agency being a complete crapshoot for your team is far higher. Iguodala is a bona-fide All-Star swingman who is probably one of the best two-way players in the game. He’s more or less like Ariza except with more strength and a more refined game.

Can’t see Philly giving up Speights too. He’s part of their rebuilding process; he and Holiday are probably fairly untouchable at this point unless Philly is seriously bleeding money.

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by Ben R on Jan 3, 2010 3:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Les won't be paying that kind of luxury tax

no way we’ll absorb a contract like Dalenbert’s that isn’t expiring. If we do, say goodbye to Scola and/or Lowry.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 5, 2010 2:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

is it luxury tax?

i mean i know its expensive but not luxury tax

by AlDe2356 on Jan 5, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think Scola or Lowry are gone?

Les has said for the right players he’ll go into the luxury tax! Now if Iggy & Dalembert are the right players thats his choice of course. I dont think he’ll let them 2 walk if he makes this trade.

NEVER underestimate the heart of a champion...
-Q-

by mangelq75 on Jan 6, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if we trade lowry

do we have a back up point guard?

by AlDe2356 on Jan 6, 2010 10:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nope, unless we also get Lou Williams in the trade.

NEVER underestimate the heart of a champion...
-Q-

by mangelq75 on Jan 7, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing how people can take an article and twist into something else

The point I was trying to suggest in this article is that Andre Iguodala fits this team and all of our current needs. I also wanted to point out the fact that we could use a 7 ft shotblocking, strong rebounding center like Dalembert. My premise was that any trade including Iguodala would take up any remaining money that we would have had from Tmacs expiring contract, and considering his talent, would probably be better than anything we could fetch using our cap space. I also pointed out that we can’t rely on Yao coming back at the level he has performed at or even staying healthy for the entire year coming off of such a drastic surgery and long layoff (similar to TMAC this year); this makes having an excellent insurance policy for yao a must. For one year the price would be high for a backup, but it would be a valuable expiring deal next year, along with the expiring deals of Yao, Battier, Brooks, Landry, Hayes, and Dorsey, so it could end up being a huge plus for us as the price to pay to get a player of Iguodala’s caliber. Pardon me for getting annoyed but where did all the talk come from about losing Scola or Lowry because of this deal. And why would we need kapono for his expiring contract if it still wouldn’t make us players in free agency, and would take SD out of the equation neglecting our backup center position again. And what makes anyone think that Philly would just throw Speights into this deal (for what)? We’re not losing Scola or Lowry unless we choose to let them walk because we own their bird rights, and Les Alexander is on record as saying he is willing to pay the luxury tax for the right player. Add Yao, Iggy, and SD to this team and we would have to be considered contenders again.

by datruth_23 on Jan 8, 2010 3:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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