Trade Idea: Shane Battier for J.R. Smith
by sarppeva on Jan 20, 2010 5:56 AM CST
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PrintI heard this trade idea the other day and the more I think about the more I like it.
We all know about our struggles on offense and Denver seems to be looking for help on defense...
Here are my pro thoughts:
1- Smith brings GREAT offensive skills
2- Smith would play SG (IMO our most pressing need)
3- Smith is only 24
4- Smith is currently a bench player in Denver and would certainly love a starting job.
Here are my con thoughts:
1- We lose Battier (enough said)
2- There have been questions regarding Smith's off-the-field issues, would he fit in here in H-Town?
I think there are more pro's than con's, plus he we still have T-Mac as a bargaining chip to help the team elsewhere.
I personally doubt that DM would ever consider this trade, but I for one like it as long as Smith keeps his act together
Thoughts?
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no. just looked at the Billups & AI trade Pistons made last year...
granted, this in a smaller scale, but that’s how things are in general as their importance to the team. Houston doesn’t need a High scorer, we are full of them….
A good leader is hard to find. plus that will only leave TA the only option to guard some high scorers from other teams, and we all see how TA works, he’s on/off game aren’t enough for us to win the game.
If Morey pull this off, he’s not as smart as I (and many) thought….
don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!
I see your point, but I really don't see where Houston has many scoring options...
We need a PURE scorer (like T-Mac was before) besides Brooks, don’t see it. Scola is not it and neither is Landry. I mean I think Wafer had more scoring ability than both Scola and Landry. We need a pure shooter not another post presence. Again just my two cents….
Why do we need a pure scorer?
I get that our offense is a dragging, but Adelman’s offense sort of dilutes the effectiveness of isolation scorers. And also anyone that is defined as a “pure” scorer will likely suffer at defense, transition, and setting up teammates on offense. Personally, I consider “pure scorer” to be an insult. I’d rather have a well-rounded offensive player (like T-Mac was before) than a shooter/dunker like Smith. Come to think of it, other than a lack of defense and an attitude problem, what’s the difference between Smith and Ariza or Budinger?
Sure, we could use J.R. Smith, but he wouldn’t start and we wouldn’t trade Battier straight up for him. And since his minutes would take away from Chase’s development, I’d say we probably wouldn’t take Smith even for free.
Pure scorer or not .
I dont know where you draw the line on this “pure scorer” thing but what the Rockets dont need is a SG that cannot shoot the ball (Ariza). Why not trade Ariza for JR Smith if you want to trade? The only reason I can think of is that Denver is not that stupid … but maybe they are. Do anything to get a shooting guard that can actually shoot the ball (“pure” shooter or not, I just want him to at least be able to hit the rim now and then). Ariza cant even shoot free throws!
That sounds pretty awful
you could not have traded for a more polar opposite player
Smith is what I call things that are wrong with the league, a young athlete that needs ball domination to shoot long jumpshots/ threes. He is not even shooting that well this year.
We need a guy that gets to the line, because shooters we have, but we are near the bottom on freethrow attempts
I'm going to have to say it... worst trade ever
we get nothing good out of this deal. I prefer novak or horry over JR
2/3 OF THE EARTHS SURFACE IS COVERED BY WATER, THE OTHER 3RD IS COVER BY CHUCK HAYES
Come on guys...Worst trade ever??? Don't think so...
Bottom Line…I love Battier, but I think MOST Rox fans overrate the him…Yes he is a team leader and GREAT defender; but he is almost as bad as Hayes on offense. We have 2 plyaers (Battier & Hayes) who are completely worthless on offense, add to the mix Ariza’s more than often HORRIBLE shooting and thats just TOO MUCH for this team to overcome.
And if anyone hasn’t noticed lately EVEN with Battier and Hayes in the starting lineup (still can’t believe it) we are getting killed by crap teams at home and giving up way too many points.
At this stage in his career Battier is a “role” player coming off the bench to provide leadership and defense as a supporting cast player on a contending championship team, not exactly the current definition of the Rockets, I believe…
I know, I’m going to get killed for talking about Battier like this, but thats my opinion. Again I love Shane and all what he brings, but I this stage we need something else that Shane can’t provide…Maybe trading Battier for Smith isn’t good enough value, but the concept of trading Battier for some much needed scoring is!!!
I know, I’m going to get killed for talking about Battier like this, but thats my opinion.
And it’s a bad opinion, informed by poor views about the value of defense in basketball (hint: IT’S HALF OF THE GAME). Furthermore, the idea that Battier (and Hayes, for that matter, as well as Ariza) is “worthless” on offense, or that they contribute “nothing” on the offensive end, is pretty fucking stupid.
Now, JR Smith is an intriguing player. With minutes, he could be a very good contributor. He creates for himself, is an efficient scorer, etc. But there is a good reason for why he hasn’t been able to get off the bench after five years in the NBA: his defense sucks. And, this year, his offense sucks, too. Combine that with his very poor reputation as an all-around fuck up, and I’d hesitate to trade away the best perimeter defender in the NBA for him.
by Only_A_Lad on Jan 21, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd keep the F-stupid remarks to yourself...Not correct and IMO shows your ignorance towards other people
Battier is a great player, I value him nowadays more for his leadership skills and work ethic than being the best defender in the NBA. Where was Battier’s best defense when Stephen Jackson lit us up for a career high the other day? Maybe Ariza was guarding most of the game? If so, why did RA not let Battier guard him?
And again Battier and Hayes do not provide much or anything on offense, Ariza does but needs 25 shots to do so…You cannot survive and expect playoffs and succeed with Battier,Hayes and Ariza in the starting lineup, it will catch up with us…Again just my opinion, but hey I’m stupid, right???
JR Smith might be all that you say, especially character wise….But if you believe that we don’t need a legit scoring option on this team and that Battier is untouchable to include in such a trade, well I beg to differ…Battier is not the player he was 4/5 years ago…
Where was Battier’s best defense when Stephen Jackson lit us up for a career high the other day
Where was Kobe’s fantastic offense on the numerous nights in his career when he shot poorly? One game is not proof of anything other than that Jackson played a phenomenal game that night.
Again just my opinion, but hey I’m stupid, right???
Yes. “JUST MY OPINION LOL” is the crutch of somebody who isn’t confident enough in his opinions to actually endorse them.
.But if you believe that we don’t need a legit scoring option on this team and that Battier is untouchable to include in such a trade, well I beg to differ…Battier is not the player he was 4/5 years ago…
Of course the Rockets “need” more offense. They “need” more defense, too. They’re firmly in the middle-of-the-pack in both of those categories. But JR Smith is not the guy who is going to suddenly answer those problems, and the key is that what he brings to a team on balance is less than what Battier (or Hayes, or Ariza) brings. In the end that is what wins basketball games.
I’d keep the F-stupid remarks to yourself…Not correct and IMO shows your ignorance towards other people
And if I were you I’d stop hiding behind “I KNOW U GUIS AREn’T GONnA AGREE BUT IT’S JUST MY OPINION.”
Should I bother with such arrogance?
“Just my opinion” is exactly that…and nothing more…Unlike you, I do believe their are “other” opinions and thoughts that are just as valid as my own…If you take it as a lack of confidence towards myself in my own remarks, so be it…
Won’t bother to answer the rest of your points, not worth it…
And your one of the main editors posting here? Really?
Should I bother with such arrogance?
Arrogance? Hardly. I have given reasons for my opinions. I have offered arguments against yours. You have simply cried that “IT’S MY OPINION NO ONE SAY ANYTHING MEAN”
"Just my opinion" is exactly that…
Yes. It’s some vague bullshit backed up by virtually nothing, and what little it was backed up with was refuted two posts ago.
Unlike you, I do believe their are "other" opinions and thoughts that are just as valid as my own…
I’m not saying that other opinions are invalid. I’m saying that if you’re going to post something, be prepared to defend it. Dave has significantly different opinions from my own, as do Tom, Lee, and Xiane. I respect their opinions, as well as most of the regular commenters’, because they have the balls to actually make an argument.
And your one of the main editors posting here? Really?
“BOO HOO. MEAN MAN ON INTERNET SAY NOT NICE THINGS ’BOUT ME.”
All I here is "blah, blah, blah!!!" and more "blah, blah, blah"...
It might be B.S. to you, but then again who are you???
And I thought I did defend it, when saying Battier in general was no longer the player he was 4/5 years ago (gave one example of Jackson shooting all over him) or did you forget how every team that plays us lately shoots over 50% and thats WITH Battier in the starting lineup.
Really doesn’t matter, we won’t agree here and you’ll come back being all arrogant acting like your the god of this place, all mighty on yourself…blah blah
And never said you were a “mean man on the internet”…For all I know your a 14 year old mommies boy, who didn’t get enough milk in the early years…
Anybody can write or blog, but to be respected at what you do, requires more than just “trashing” people’s opinion or thoughts simply cause you don’t agree with them…or feel they didn’t “back them up”…
And with that, I won’t respond to any more of your posts on this thread, I’m sure you’re tired of it (I know I am) so if you feel the need to continue your act, feel free….it wouldn’t surprise me…
All I here is “blah, blah, blah!!!” and more “blah, blah, blah”…
Good thing your reading skills aren’t on trial here.
It might be B.S. to you, but then again who are you???
Someone who isn’t a whiny little bitch when it comes to defending my arguments.
And I thought I did defend it, when saying Battier in general was no longer the player he was 4/5 years ago
Yes, you offered up a non-sequitur. “Battier isn’t as good as he once was” is not a good response to “Battier’s defense is worth more than Smith’s offense now”
or did you forget how every team that plays us lately shoots over 50%
It’s not my fault if you have no idea what efficiency is, or that you’re ignoring the distinct lack of the giant dude in the middle this year.
example of Jackson shooting all over him
Already addressed.
For all I know your a 14 year old mommies boy, who didn’t get enough milk in the early years…
Brilliant. Oh, sarppeva, you truly are some sort of wordsmith.
but to be respected at what you do, requires more than just "trashing" people’s opinion or thoughts simply cause you don’t agree with them…or feel they didn’t "back them up"…
1) As if I give a shit about whether or not you “respect” me.
2) If track record has any predictive ability, trashing dumbfucks’ opinions on the internet is a proven path to success.
And with that, I won’t respond to any more of your posts on this thread
“RAAAAH ME NO CAN MAKE ARGUMENT! ME MAD! ME QUIT!”
I am totally fine with trades any player, but value wise has to be least close to good
J.R. Smith is no solution to any problem.
We need points, sure, this year we need them, what about after this season? is he worth resign value? to still be an intrigue after 5 years and looking for his pay off contract, never sit right with me, but that is just MY opinion
I much rather include Battier as a trade piece to any “blockbuster trade” for a much more exciting player than give him straight up for just JR Smith.
Last time I checked defense wins championships....
So we trade battier away for an above avg shooter but below avg at everything else on a season we know we can’t win a title in. What’s the point why not keep battier, not only cause he’s a great player but he’ll contribute more importantly for us next season when we actually have a shot at the title…. Why try bust up a team thats over .500 without seeing how it performs without it’s superstar back in the lineup. In the mean time they other players get better.
2/3 OF THE EARTHS SURFACE IS COVERED BY WATER, THE OTHER 3RD IS COVER BY CHUCK HAYES
battier is totally tradeable
the most important thing about any trade however is the value you get.
id say right now battier is one of the most tradeable peices on the team
1) for his high trade value. he is a defensive stud and veteran leadership
2) he is declining so sell high
he is a terrific player but i think right now the team has other needs and we need to look more towards the future than how this season needs to play out. i think we need young talent with lots of upside.
its all about setting yourself up to win the championship… which clearly isnt happening this year
im agreeing with most other people.
he isn’t a “pure” scorer if you know what i mean.
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JR isnt what we need
B/c he has as many bad nights as great ones. Also we would need somebody on the court that would hold him accountable for taking some of the horrible shots he does(a leader like shane). And it only takes one guy to kill the chemistry on offense and chemistry keeps this team afloat offensively.
by returnofswagger on Jan 21, 2010 4:08 PM CST reply actions
I don't think this is a good addition.
JR Smith has load of talent, but I’m at a loss to find a guy more at odds with the whole Rockets philosophy as I understand it. That being: play D, play hard, play smart, play unselfishly. From what I’ve seen Smith pretty much fails on all four points, more or less constantly.
Any talks about Shane than JS was settled in last nite's game in San Antino
that’s some good games by Shane…
don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!
A better idea
Heh, the Rockets need more defense and more offense. Let’s trade with the Lakers - Ariza for Artest. The Rockets get more offense and more defense = more wins. It is easy when you think about it. The weakest point on the Rockets is SG. Ariza cannot shoot. Fix that with Artest. Next weakest spot is C … fix that with a healthy Yao I guess and also Bosh in some kind of Tmac trade. There you have it. Easy … just get rid of Ariza.
I see nostalgia is setting in
As I recall, Crazy Pills used to chuck up threes just as much as Ariza does, if not more. Plus he demands the ball more and is tainted by L.A.
He's probably not going to age well. And he's in the perfect spot.
Artest can hide his flaws in LA. He can make open looks, and with Kobe and Gasol etc, he’s going to get them.
He can defend most guys, but more and more players just blow past him. Gasol, Bynum and Odom are waiting for those guys.
He has a tendency to get shot happy. That tendency is crushed by Kobe and Jackson.
Exactly none of that would be true in Houston this year. All his looks would be contested, there’s no big waiting to clean up the mess for him, and he’d defer to no one and easily equal Ariza’s launchtastic ways. Ariza needs a lot less backup on D at this point than Artest.
Artest from my perspective would have been much worse than Ariza.
When you look at his history, his tendency of going nuts in a bad way goes waaaayyyyy up when he’s stuck on a not elite team like what happened in Sacramento. Artest on a team struggling to make playoffs would easily have gone even crazier than he was last year, and judging from the small leaks here and there, he was pretty nuts even then, just the Rockets did an excellent job hiding it.
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