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The Gerheim Principle

or: "Holy Crap, Content!"

In case you haven't heard, the Houston Texans (or, as I like to think of them, the Houston Football Astros) recently posted a winning season. For those of you not from Houston, the importance of this event is probably lost on you, but suffice it to say that this in (some small way) makes up for almost two decades of bullshit from Houston's NFL teams (the last time I saw a Houston pro-football team post a winning season? I was five. I'm old enough to purchase liquor now).

Anyways, I was reading Football Outsiders (always a great source of analysis, as well as projections for fantasy football) following the victory, going through their post-game archive, when I came across this:

Tim Gerheim: Oy.  Pollard has really helped the Texans defense this year.  I'm not watching the game (thank you NFL Rewind for the opportunity to watch the Texans lose to an inferior opponent every Tuesday).  He was cut by the Chiefs in preseason or early in the regular season.  I'm starting to develop a theory that, counterintuitive as it may be, adding free agents from bad teams is actually a better strategy than adding them from good teams.  It's just anecdotal, but I can think of several recent examples that worked in both directions - Wes Welker, Deion Branch and David Givens, Leonard Weaver...

Bernard Pollard, as you recall, was the guy who destroyed Tom Brady's knee in Kansas City last year, and he tackled Wes Welker under similar circumstances last Sunday, as well as making a critical late-game interception. For anyone who has paid attention to the Texans this year (and I confess that, for health reasons, I largely stopped watching them after the second Colts game), it should be obvious that Pollard was possibly the best Texans defender in the secondary. Part of that is simply because the Houston secondary is awful, but part of it is because Pollard, as it turns out, isn't bad, either. So I was thinking about Gerheim's comment (adding free agents from bad teams might be a better strategy than adding them from good ones) in the context of the NBA...

The most obvious example of this "principle" (hypothesis) for Rockets fans should be Kyle Lowry (though the Rockets traded for him; I'm going to drop the "free agent" thing from this, simply because trades are more common in the NBA than in the NFL). Fans' reactions to trading for Kyle were largely positive at the time, but that attitude was by no means universal. I remember that one of the main criticisms of the trade was that Lowry couldn't get off the bench in Memphis, so how could he possibly be a good option in Houston?

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Well, as it turns out, Kyle has been one of the leaders off the bench this season, and he made some great contributions to the team last season and in the playoffs. He's a good player - he gets to the line, he defends, he passes well, and he rebounds. In fact, he's so good that one could reasonably argue that he is/was better than Mike Conley, the man in front of him in Memphis (this was a sentiment alluded to by a few Grizzlies fans at the time, actually, but that sort of feeling is common among fans, and doesn't really mean much).

Going a little deeper into Rockets' history, Kenny Smith provides another example. "The Jet" wasn't thought of too highly by either the Sacramento Kings (who drafted him, trading him to the Hawks three years later) or the Hawks (for whom he started only five of thirty-three games). Neither of those teams were particularly good in 1990: the Hawks played .500 ball, while the Kings won only 23 games all season.

Kenny came to Houston and flourished. He started at point guard for the Rockets for virtually every game from the '91 season until he was released before the '97 season. Everyone remembers his playoff exploits, but he also lead the league in effective field-goal percentage in 1993, and he was consistently one of the most effecient scorers in the league during his time in Houston.

Really, this sort of thing shouldn't surprise any of us. Bad teams are bad for a reason. Most typically, they're bad because they don't evaluate players properly. They think good players are great players, or that other good players are bad ones, or that scrubs can contribute to a decent team. They give out bad contracts to bad players and don't lock up the players they need to. They trade away or cut players who can contribute. Good teams don't do these things. They evaluate their players properly, and they can see who deserves what type of contract, who can contribute and who can't, etc.

So if a good team simply lets one of their players go, there's probably a good reason for it. If a bad teams does this, there's a decent chance that it's because they've made yet another bad decision. Makes sense.

So here's my question for all of y'all: Are there any other examples of this? On the other hand, is the phenomenon of a bad player on a good team signing an undeserved contract the next season common enough to make us dismiss this "Gerheim Principle?"

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Will I get in trouble if I say Ariza?

Of course the NBA is trickier than football because of the more restrictive cap, guaranteed contracts, and matching salary limitations. In general, you’re probably right that you’re going to find more gems coming from the bad teams than the good ones.

I agree that good teams probably better evaluate players, but also are less willing to trade away properly evaluated good players for salary reasons. Bad teams are more likely to want to shed salary even if they already know the guy is good. In addition, good players might despair at playing for a dysfunctional team and perform poorly.

My guess is that the latter two reasons (salary dumps and underperformance) account for more instances of good players coming from bad teams than improper evaluation. No matter how advanced your statistics are, there’s still nothing like seeing the guy play every day in practice.

by Moondebah on Jan 6, 2010 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

Will I get in trouble if I say Ariza?

No, but I’ll probably think less of you.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 6, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

My guess is that the latter two reasons (salary dumps and underperformance) account for more instances of good players coming from bad teams than improper evaluation. No matter how advanced your statistics are, there’s still nothing like seeing the guy play every day in practice.

Yes, but salary dumps are necessarily cases of improper evaluation, as well. Inevitably, the team has made a series of bad commitments on salary, and so now they have to get rid of a good player to make up for it.

Anyways, I think the cases like Lowry – where a team is possibly playing a worse player and trades the better player for a variety of reasons – are more interesting than straight-up salary dumps like Gasol in 2008.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 6, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Scola

Didn’t we pick up Scola from the spurs because they didn’t have a roster spot for him?

by Sidwho on Jan 6, 2010 4:06 PM CST reply actions  

Sort of.

Scola was also unwilling to come to the US and sit behind Duncan forever, and who can blame him? Houston offered opportunity, because our PF situation was far from a strength a couple of years ago, along with PG, SF, etc.

by Xiane on Jan 6, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think both you and Gerheim are on to something.

David Andersen was a draft pick by the Hawks, who was left to rot overseas. (By “rot”, I mean “succeed at the highest levels of overseas basketball”.) Then the Rockets acquired his rights, brought him over, and he’s been pretty decent so far. (Personally, I’d like to see him get a little more playing time, but I’m trusting Adelman hasn’t seen enough out of him yet to justify that.)

I think Dreamshakers ought to twitterbomb Morey with the Gerheim Principle. Maybe he knows it already, but it couldn’t hurt.

by DribbleHooper on Jan 6, 2010 5:31 PM CST reply actions  

Twitterbomb Morey

Would be fun, but he’s too smart not to know. DM knows all.

On a serious note, is it true other GM’s are afraid to trade with DM thinking that he knows of some advantage they don’t?

by jtothet on Jan 6, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

On a serious note, is it true other GM’s are afraid to trade with DM thinking that he knows of some advantage they don’t?

People were saying this last year, and I can’t believe that the NBA works this way.

First, if you’re an NBA GM, you have a certain way of looking at the basketball world. That’s how you got your job, and it’s how you evaluate all of your decisions. People have a remarkable talent for blind faith, as well, even when confronted with hard evidence that their assumptions are wrong. So I wouldn’t worry too much about other teams seeing the Rockets’ success and saying “Oh, holy fuck! Morey must be great, so I better not deal with him!” More likely, everyone looks around and says, “Oh, the Rockets are doing very well, so Morey probably knows what he’s doing. It’s a good thing I’m still God’s gift to general managing!” You don’t get to be a GM if you’re second-guessing your abilities.

Second, unlike fans, businesses tend not to evaluate transactions based upon pure win/loss. There’s an understanding that different individuals and firms value things differently. Right now, the Rockets (and, more specifically, Les Alexander) value winning in the short-term very highly, because they believe they have a shot at the title next year. Teams like Philly, Memphis, Charlotte, Indy, etc. value their salary commitments much higher, because they believe that they have little chance of competing, and so they need to stop the bleeding, as it were. Because of this, trades can be net-wins for both teams. For example, the Ray Allen trade was seen at the time as an obvious win for Boston, while others alleged that Presti was simply priming the Sonics for their move.

In the end, however, the trade netted Boston a title, but it also gave Presti great financial flexibility for the next several years. Both teams “won.”

Very, very few trades occur that are simply one team trying to “burn” another, simply because few trades occur between two contenders. Most happen because a contender needs to get more talent, while a smaller team needs to get rebuild.

So don’t worry about other teams not wanting to deal with DM. They’re confident in their own abilities enough to believe they can “win” a trade, and they also know they have different priorities than the Rockets.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 6, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Dreamshakers ought to twitterbomb Morey with the Gerheim Principle. Maybe he knows it already, but it couldn’t hurt.

I don’t know. I don’t think this is anything particularly “new.” I assume Morey knows that bad teams suck for a reason. You don’t believe in stats if you don’t believe in causal relationships.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 6, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

besides

I don’t know if it’s particularly true, either. I suspect, the more I think about it, that both good and bad teams get rid of similar numbers of good players. Good teams get rid of them because they can’t keep paying their salary, or because they aren’t much of an improvement over their current players, etc. Bad teams do it because they can’t tell the difference. Maybe it just comes out to roughly the same number. It would be an interesting study, I think, to look at composite-stats for released/traded/etc. players coming from different “types” of teams.

by Only_A_Lad on Jan 6, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You're making me look bad Lad.

I’m still not back from the holidays, apparently. Or rather, sort of buried under everything. But I’ll get back on the horse, assuming there ever was a horse.

by Xiane on Jan 6, 2010 6:00 PM CST reply actions  

To comment on the post

I think that could be right. Bad teams don’t often evaluate talent properly.

I think the issue breaks down into two main areas – talent identification and talent utilization.

So bad teams often display a:
1. Failure to identify whether a player is talented or not.
2. Failure to understand exactly what talents the player has.
3. Failure to develop talent on hand.
4. Failure to deploy talent to best advantage.
5. Improperly valuing talent.

I think there’s a longer piece in this, so I’ll stop there, but to me this is why I prefer Adelman as the Rockets coach. Unlike some coaches, Adelman seems to have an ability to recognize the strengths a player posses and works to put him in a situation where he can use his strongest abilities. (He also insists on defense, but not exactly the same kind from everyone.)

This may seem obvious, but you know you have a coach who can’t do that when you hear things like “He just needs to get his kind of players!” That’s nice, if you can do it, but its better to see the coach adapt to the talent he does have. Hi job is to have a plan for every situation, not a plan for the best possible situation. Now I firmly believe that Houston has a lot more talent than its given credit for generally, but I also believe at least 2/3 of NBA coaches would have us firmly in lottery territory at this point.

by Xiane on Jan 6, 2010 6:21 PM CST reply actions  

Gerald Green

The catch is we remember the successes and forget the Gerald Greens.He was w/Dallas-a 50 win team last yr-and they couldn’t wait for his contract to expire.
The Bulls offer up Curry and Chandler to illustrate either view.

My guess would be solid role players who defend are undervalued by bad teams who focus more on the sizzle of scoring and a psuedo-star’s popularity to try and sell tickets.

by Tisbee on Jan 6, 2010 6:42 PM CST reply actions  

On Green

Green was long and super athletic- traits generally overvalued by bad teams. It may be that the players to target are the ones bad teams are more likely to undervalue (like Lowry).

by jack_ on Jan 6, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Gerald Green

can really dunk. Michael Jordan could hit moonshot homers in batting practice. But while Jordan could really play basketball, Green couldn’t.

by Xiane on Jan 6, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Memphis Griz

Seems to be a shining example of the “bad team” churning out good player over the years

James Posey made a career of being a great role player, of course he was originally from a bad pre-melo Denver nugget team, was very good with the rocket before signing with the griz.

Jason William, though not the greatest point guard was serviceable and good complement to Wade.

Antonio Daniels also made a solid career as back PG

Earl Watson, also another solid backup

Pau was obviously a stud stuck in a badly managed team, so he doesnt count

Outside of the Griz

How about the brief Rocket Bob Sura?

Boris Diaw was a great success after leaving the Hawks

JR Smith, non-factor with the Hornets, important scorer for the Nuggets

However, This is really not the norm in the NBA. Much of the NBA’s bad contracts are not base on track records, rather they are base on “potential”. like Stromile, Dampier, Zach Randolph, Eddie Curry, they did not play for great teams yet still got a fat contract due to flashes of brilliance they showed(obviously Randolph is a tick above the others here, but he certain can ruin a team if he put his mind to it)

by NVP on Jan 6, 2010 8:31 PM CST reply actions  

i'm going to say pao gasol

memphis or i mean david stern traded him to the lakers for practically nothing. well marc gasol is a solid player. but yea i agree good teams evaluate players better. bad teams are just bad all around from front office to coaching to the players themselves.

by HectorM on Jan 7, 2010 2:08 AM CST reply actions  

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