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With Roster Cut Down to 15, Let's Take a Look at The 2010-2011 Rockets

As long as my prediction about Erick Dampier doesn't come true, the majority of Rockets fans can be elated that it would appear Ishmael Smith has made the team. Another fan favorite, Mike Harris, wasn't so fortunate. He joined Alexander Johnson, Antonio Anderson and Jerel McNeal in the unemployment line yesterday evening.

It's really unfortunate for the former Rice Owl Mike Harris, who was all-world in the D-League last year. He is good enough to play in the NBA and I hope he gets his chance somewhere. But with the Rockets stacked at Power Forward, it was pretty well known that Harris was just a camp body. And Ishmael Smith was seemingly the guy from the get go that Houston wanted as the 15th man.

But, with that out of the way, let's take a look at the final 15 man roster for your 2010-2011 Houston Rockets after the jump.

Star-divide

Center (3): Yao Ming, Brad Miller & Jordan Hill

Let's start in the middle with the return of Yao Ming and the new kid on the block, Brad Miller. Everyone will be holding their breath all year any time Yao Ming falls down or even lands awkwardly. This surgery was no joke and thankfully Yao has the discipline to do what it takes to come back from it. Let's just keep praying to the basketball gods that we finally get a break (no pun intended) and the procedure that worked so well for Zydrunis Ilgauskas does the same wonder for Yao.

Brad Miller showed in his Rocket debut this past Saturday that there shouldn't be a long adjustment period for him into this offense. The guy is such a brilliant passer and he showed that by leading the team in assists that game. He knows this offense to a T and he will fit in like a glove here. I'm not worried about him at all. I said it on my show one time and I'll say it again, I think this will end up being a huge addition to this team.

Jordan Hill, who is still listed as a Power Forward, is listed here as a Center because that's what he played all through Summer League, camp and the preseason. It's pretty much going to be a spot clean up job for him this year unless Yao or Miller get into foul trouble or spend time on the injured list. I am still in the camp that believes Hill is a future starter in this league (likely elsewhere, as I don't see him ever supplanting Scola) at Power Forward. But this will be good for his development.

Power Forward (4): Luis Scola, Chuck Hayes, Jared Jeffries & Patrick Patterson

Luis Scola, dare I say it, just might be the most underrated Power Forward in the NBA. When everyone was freaking out about the contract he got (5 years, $47m), most Rockets fans weren't. We know his value and when you saw guys like Carlos Boozer getting way more (5 years, $80M) you knew the Rockets got a steal. I mean, seriously, is Carlos Boozer worth $9m more per season than Luis? I don't think so. The guy showed in the World Championships that he can carry the offensive load if needed. He got robbed and should have beat out Kevin Durant for MVP honors there and even got Spurs coach Gregg Popovich to admit that he still loses sleep over the Scola trade. I expect Luis to be a larger part of the offense for Houston this year.

Chuck Hayes is going to give you what he can. Which is everything and then some. While we all know he isn't going to do anything but make you laugh or shake your head when he shoots the ball, his defense and hard-nosed play during every second he sees on the floor is invaluable. What else can be said about the Chuck Wagon that hasn't already been said?

Jared Jeffries is in the final year of a ridiculously bad contract that has devalued him as a player in many fans eyes. Jared Jeffries is arguably the worst player on this team, but what does that say about this teams depth? I still think he is simply a contract to be moved at this years deadline, but he can contribute well if needed. His defense and ability to draw charges is superb.

Patrick Patterson will likely have the role Carl Landry did during his rookie year. Which is to keep your mouth shut, pay attention and just wait for your opportunity. Landry was thought to just be a throw away player just filling out Houston's roster as a rookie. But when he got his opportunity, he took advantage of it and became a consistent rotation player the rest of the season. Patterson is a smart enough kid to know to follow this guideline. Especially if Jeffries gets moved at the deadline like I predicted.

Small Forward (2): Shane Battier & Chase Budinger

Lots of people are already calling for Chase Budinger to get the nod over Shane here. But I still believe personally that people in Houston greatly undervalue what Battier brings to this team. While his defense may be overrated nationally, it is severely underrated here in town. Yes, Shane also has an expiring deal and many are packaging him in their dream trade scenarios. Which is certainly a possibility. But I'd like to see Shane stick around. He looked to have lost a step last season, but he is still one of my favorite athletes in all of sports. In the least, there is a lot he can teach a young player like Chase Budinger.

Speaking of Chase, I have to wonder if he drops off a bit this year. Truthfully, none of us expected him to have the impact he did last year. He is a lightning bolt off the bench and helps with Houston's legendary scoring droughts. Which is one of the reasons I would rather he remain part of "The Bench Brigade." The other being that I don't believe his defense is good enough to play starters minutes. But perhaps he worked on that this summer.

Shooting Guard (3): Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee & Jermaine Taylor

Like Xiane said, Kevin Martin may be one of the more underrated players in the league. I can't think of another consistent 20+ point per game guy that gets less credit. Playing on a rebuilding Sacramento team and his injury history has likely played into that. But this guy is going to have a huge year playing with Yao. He is going to get more open looks than he has in his entire career. He won't make the All-Star team because of where he plays and the average fan doesn't even know who he is, but he will have All-Star numbers this season.

Courtney Lee has already shown me enough to declare the Ariza trade a victory for Houston. His defense is underrated and can guard a guy like Kobe Bryant if needed (Shane usually guards Kobe). He did it in the Finals a couple of years ago. I fully expect to see Lee get some time at the three if needed. He is a bit small for that position, but if the match ups are right he should be able to do so well. Also, if Kevin Martin has his annual injury, Lee can play a larger role if needed just like he did in Orlando when injury forced him into the starting lineup. I like this kid a lot, so I may be guilty of overrating him. But I expect good things out of him, as do many others here.

Jermaine Taylor is likely headed to Rio Grande Valley again. But I expect him to remain with the team more so than last year. Coach Adelman is said to love him and he will see some time on the floor. Even if it is just during a blow out. His game is still too one dimensional (attack, attack, attack!) to be a rotation guy, but I could see him getting his number called if the matchups permit or Lee or Martin are struggling.

Point Guard (3) Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry & Ishmael Smith

Aaron Brooks had what many would describe as an All-Star type season last year (come on...he was better than Jason Kidd last year. Even Dallas fans admitted it.) as he was given the green light to shoot as much as he wanted. His value has never been higher as he is in the last year of his rookie contract. Which makes me scared to think he may get the Carl Landry treatment this year and be part of a blockbuster trade. I hope not, because I can remember the post Kenny Smith/Sam Cassell years where Houston just couldn't seem to find a decent point guard. But with two pretty good ones now, Aaron may fall victim to the numbers. But I don't expect him to have declining numbers because of it. Sure, he will get less shots than last year with Yao returning and Scola being said to become a larger part of the offense. But, like Martin, he will see a ton of open shots from the perimeter this year making teams pay for double teaming Yao. Let's just see if he will still be doing that here after February passes.

Kyle Lowry, who is paid more than the starting point, made it clear that he wanted the opportunity to start in this league. Well, staying healthy would go a long way to pushing for it. No one questions Kyle's heart or play on the court. He is an asset that proved his value last season when he injured himself and the teams production suffered greatly for it. The thing is that with Lowry's "reckless abandon" style of play, he sets himself up for injury rather easily. Which is why the final player on this roster was quite imperative.

Ishamel Smith, who can best be summed up as "Lowry Insurance," deserved a chance. Well, it appears that he is going to get it. Which was the right call, because we don't want another episode like last year where we have to make Aaron play 46 minutes a game because your third option at the point is Will Conroy. I wrote already about what Ish can bring to this team and I am glad he is getting an opportunity. Even though I think he will spend some time at Rio Grande Valley with Jermaine Taylor early in the season.

So, there we have it Rockets fans, this is a ridiculously deep team. A team that is a 55+ win team if healthy already, in my opinion. And a loaded team that has a ton of assets to make them instant contenders with the right move. It's looking to be a pretty exciting season down in Texas, as the three teams there are all pretty close together in terms of talent and team expectations. Should make for a compelling division race this year.

You guys have any opinions on the roster? Is there a position you'd like to see upgraded? If so, which position and who do you want (please, no more Carmelo talk)? Light it up in the comments below.

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Hate to say it...

Durant won MVP at the World Championships, not Scola. Though Scola definitely beasted it.

by Moondebah on Oct 19, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd really like to see

Chris Paul in a Rockets uniform. I think we have enough assets to offer without breaking up the entire core of this team while still maintaining a great ‘Bench Brigade’. Now, if DM can only convince New Orleans of the same thing!

by vanguard117 on Oct 19, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Personally

I don’t think he is willing to sign an extension here. He want’s to play with his butt buddies Amar’e and ’Melo in NY.

by Mike Kerns on Oct 19, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

he is also

have a bad preseason

GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!

by batman713 on Oct 19, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd really like to see

the Chris Paul suggestions go the way of the Dodo since neither are relevant or available.

I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.

by BD34 on Oct 19, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there

and I approve.

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by BD34 on Oct 19, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like a younger, defensive guard-forward.

I’m fine with Shane if we keep him and i’m not saying shop him around, but i’d really like Iggy or someone else who is good on defense and can hold guys like Kobe and Durant and Granger.

The BANHAMMER delivers the real justice
That's just turrible

by joshsm07 on Oct 19, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

agreed...

I love Shane and have defended him against any proposed trade ideas, except a trade for Iggy or a game changer like Durant which of course will not likely happen (and no, Melo is not a game changer…sorry fans of offense only players like Melo and Gordon).

Battier adds so much but I can’t deny that he is almost as old as me…and thats freakin old! We need to rejouvenate our perimeter D in a big way in the next two or so years. Barnes would have been great, as would Wallance or other good defenders but those just don’t come along that often (though more often then great centers)

I think we have the offense on this team and just need to add more D to really be a contender. Granted, I don’t know who our clutch offensive person is…maybe Scola or Yao, but I think D should come first. Did Boston really have any great offensive weapon last season? I mean Pierce and Allen are no longer taking over games on their own and Rondo’s value is in passing and gritty D not pouring in clutch points….and they made it to the finals.

by John P on Oct 19, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the possibilities of a trade are endless for the Rockets

With Hill getting paid over $2 Mil, Battier almost $7 Mil, Jeffries at over $6 Mil and the over $6 Mil Trade Exception the Rockets have lots of options, financially speaking.

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That's just turrible

by joshsm07 on Oct 19, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

There aren't that many guys who can do that.

Maybe 4-5.

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by Xiane on Oct 19, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

well lets get two of them....stockpile them for winter or something...

who are your 4 or 5?

Battier, Barnes, Iggy, Wallace, Prince….anyone else?

by John P on Oct 19, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd add Batum and Artest

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by Xiane on Oct 20, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

didnt we have Batum at one point? if we did who did we trade him for?

I would agree with Artest for sure…that was just a missed brain fart on my part, but I don’t know enough of Jackson’s and Batum’s game to know one way or the other

by John P on Oct 20, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I recall correctly

I think we had Batum, swapped him for Darrell Arthur and Joey Dorsey. If I’m not losing my mind I think we then flipped Arthur for Donte Green and Donte Green for Ron Artest. So indirectly, we got Artest for Batum.

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by BD34 on Oct 20, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounded good at the time...then Yao and Tmac went out with injuries and well...

but I bet we would love to have Batum, Battier and Bud all at SF (the triple B’s) and then be able to trade Bud away and keep Batum as our little Battier

by John P on Oct 20, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I recall different details, but yes.

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by Xiane on Oct 21, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

a quick note

JJ also gives us insurance at the three, making us at least 3-deep at every spot.

by makinmajik on Oct 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Depth

An honest bias opinion the rockets are by far the deepest team in the NBA. Now of course every player as well as the team as a whole is going to be extremely underrated such as Houston teams always are. Although I still think we need to get one more star on our team before were ready to call ourselves contenders. Of course there is the Carmelo talks but a more probable option may be that fellow from Philadelphia….Andre Iguodala. He would bring us over the top and give us our big time scorer at the end of the game if Martin can’t fill that role. Now what we would have to give up for him I can imagine maybe a Brooks, Jeffries, and draft pick type deal. Even if we don’t make a big move by mid season (which I think there is a 90% chance we will) we still should be able to lock up a 5 or 6 seed in the west baring a Yao injury. Since we couldn’t put together an all all-star lineup we go out and do the next best thing…..build the deepest team in the NBA. Great job Darrel and Rick as well as everyone else involved as I’m extremely excited about the upcoming Rockets season..
Adam Clark

by Adamclark267 on Oct 19, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I think we are deep....

You think we are deep. Mr. Kerns thinks we are deep. I just don’t know if the rest of the NBA values our assets that highly. Yet.

I think our ability to pull off a deal is going to dramatically improve if we prove our mettle, but if we are as good as I think we are we may not give a damn about doing a deal. If we start out 10 and 0 (I know, dreaming, but indulge me) for example I would think management would be reluctant to mess with the chemistry.

As Rumsfeld said “you go to war with the army you have…”, and I think we are ready for battle as is.

by albertchester1 on Oct 19, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chemisty

Yes I totally agree if were leading the southwest at the break why fix what’s not broken….That being said though what needs to happen is taking into account as to how we play against some of the super teams. (If we can’t hang with the teams in the playoffs then there’s no point in having a great season.) We have all of the pieces and more. I think that we will need one more all-star caliber player to get us to where we want to go ….a championship. That being said we have the pieces to obtain such a thing without having to break up the team all that much ( two first round draft picks) and young developing and or developed players we could afford to lose. ( Jordan Hill / Patrick Patterson as much as I love him Kyle Lowry with the emergence of Ish or it could be Brooks) but we could afford to lose one of them if it meant we could get a "Melo" or "Iggy".
Adam Clark

by Adamclark267 on Oct 19, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

roster

OK, so Taylor and Smith start the year in the Valley. That still leaves 13 players. Who gets left off the active roster if everyone is healthy? Does Patterson also start the year in the DL?
My point is that I think we may see a trade involving Hill or Jeffries and maybe one or two of the above for future picks before the deadline…
But please — let’s drop the chatter about Anthony or Paul or another so-called superstar at least until we give the current roster a chance. I like the potential of this team to come together and make a deep run into the playoffs. The best team chemistry I ever saw was the Portland Trailblazers with Bill Walton. One superstar, but a good player at every starting position and depth off the bench. The coach of that team was Jack Ramsey, who was an early mentor to Adelman with a motion offense away from the ball utilizing a great passer in the high post. They were 50-10 to start the year after they won the championship (over Philly, a team with four all-stars, including Dr. J) until Walton went down with a foot injury.
On second thought, why did I have to bring that up?

by mitchako on Oct 19, 2010 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree give the Roster a chance

Your right we need to give this team a legit chance to contend, before crying about superstars. What if we pick up this all-star and he get a season ending injury what next, trade the whole team.

by Edwin AnDre Johnson Capron on Oct 19, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

or get a player like Melo and

he ends up being like TMac…great personal stat line but freezes all the movement of other players in the offense and we end up ultimately failing as a team even as the “allstar” gets his stats

by John P on Oct 19, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team is fine as it is, but 1 improvement could be Tayshaun Prince

Trade JT and Jordan Hill for Tayshaun Prince, we’ll have a great defender and good three point shooter and he could play 2, 3, and even 4!

by Edwin AnDre Johnson Capron on Oct 19, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

He's only 30.

He has a few good years left.

by svspider on Oct 19, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

isn't he basically Battier with a champsionship ring?

which granted is ok but that is not the move we need….if we need any one move at all. Happy to let things ride for a while and hope Philly blows chunks so we can trade for Iggy later on. Fantasy land wish for sure but I like the purple colored sky in my world.

by John P on Oct 19, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always found Prince sort of unconvincing as a player, but the D numbers are good, I suppose.

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by Xiane on Oct 19, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am basically on the

we don’t need a move until we see what we can do program. I was just sort of reflexively responded on the Tayshaun Prince commentary individually. I have always liked his play..

by svspider on Oct 20, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

I think that’s not a bad trade for that “last piece” if we’re fighting for the conference lead mid-season and Hill isn’t getting much PT behind Yao and Miller. It definitely sells the future a little bit, but if they think it significantly increases year 1 championship odds then I wouldn’t complain much.

by Moondebah on Oct 19, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

if we are in that position later this season

most likely we will need more of a clutch, game take over player, not an above average swiss army knife with good D and decent O….we need a game changer and I just dont see Prince being that guy at this point

by John P on Oct 19, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the consensus is we need to upgrade at the sf spot of anything at all

At all the other positions we have guys who would be one of the better players on other teams.

Shane is getting old, and not everyone is fully convinced that chase can do quite everything required of a starter on a championship team. Bud light vs durant, iggy, melo, lebron still scares me.

I would even be ok if we managed to trade away for a younger version of battier.

Guys I would like to trade for -
Gerald Wallace
Iggy
Granger
R hamilton- he is olf but still good offensively

by AlDe2356 on Oct 19, 2010 3:42 PM CDT reply actions  

The first three would be fine, though naturally depends on what we give up - big Wallace fan.

Hamilton is a LOLNO. With that deal, I wouldn’t take him for free. And frankly, Bud does the “run around 39482 screens for an open jump shot” thing pretty well.

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by Barragan on Oct 19, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is

the other three he named are likely not available.

Wallace is one of the few scoring options in Charlotte (who made the playoffs last year.) They won’t part with him.

Iggy MIGHT be available depending on the situation.

Granger is definitely not on the market. He’s probably untouchable to Indiana.

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by Artest4Prez on Oct 19, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Wallace is untouchable.
Granger might have been available before they got collison, but now they have a pretty legit core.

by AlDe2356 on Oct 19, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

one of these moves is really worth it or possible until one of those teams really starts sucking it and the GMs/owners decide to start over

If that happens expect Brooks, Bud, Hill and others to be put into a trade for Iggy or Granger or Wallace IF their teams decide to rebuild. With Ish we could definitely move Brooks the easiest.

Wallace or Iggy would be ideal. Never been sold on Granger but haven’t seem him play very much to really know.

Dont know what Rip adds that we dont already have in Martin-Bud-Brooks. He is too old for not adding that much if anything to trade for.

by John P on Oct 19, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The issue with that list, I think

Is that none of those guys (Barring Hamilton) are available and I would go so far as to say I doubt any of them become available (Again, barring Hamilton) since Indiana, Charlotte, and Philly all could feasibly be near the 7th or 8th place spot in the East at the least (Charlotte being my over achiever in a best case scenario).

I’d love Wallace, Charlotte, if they tank, might make him available, but I don’t see them tanking.
Iggy is central to Philadelphia and they’re only a couple years removed from the playoffs with a talented roster that HE anchors now.
Granger isn’t going anywhere, they spent the offseason building ON him. You don’t erect a house just to rip out the foundation for laughs.

As it stands, this Rockets team is going to compete, I believe. Going forward, a two dimensional SF would be great to rear up (Je me vous souviens Monsieur Ariza!).

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by BD34 on Oct 19, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Trevor gets a vous.

That’s not how he rolls.

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by Xiane on Oct 20, 2010 8:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

When Jermaine matures enough, he's going to be a stud.

One of the main obstacles he has to overcome is like Mike said, when he attacks the basket, he won’t pass it, and if he does, it’s a bad pass likely leading to a turnover. When he has better court vision and maturity, he’s in the rotation.

However, his biggest obstacle is patience. He probably won’t get a legit chance to be in the rotation unless one of our wing players goes down with an injury.

He needs to idol what AB did, and that was being patient for three long years, and then make the most of the opportunity when it comes.

If Coach Sleepy really likes this guy, then I do as well.

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by bone31crusher on Oct 19, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I have to say I agree with your last statement

as much as everyone on this site loves Morey, I think I like and respect and appreciate Sleepys judgement more. He is a great coach and I think did a damn good job last season with what he had to work with. If he likes a player then that is enough for me. He may not be Popovich but he may be the next best thing.

by John P on Oct 19, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would you be kidding?

Kubes sucks ass. He needs to be gone after this season.

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by bone31crusher on Oct 19, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

You guys need to come over to Battle Red Blog

Where bashing Frank Bush is a passionate hobby. But there are shockingly still a TON of Kubiak supporters over there.

by Mike Kerns on Oct 20, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh god, So much Bush hate for our red state

lol kidding.

I think Texan just found some continuity and success and people just dont want to throw it away complete

But The defense is god forsaken awful this year, and how come only the good defensive players are getting hurt? wtf

by NVP on Oct 20, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, Pollard cant cover and hit everybody

give me a decent o line and i can probably get 200 yds in the air against the Texans, just as long as nobody hits me helmet to helmet if I got sacked.

The BANHAMMER delivers the real justice
That's just turrible

by joshsm07 on Oct 20, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I usually am over there on gamedays bashing announcers and Frank..

I read alot but don’t post too much unless i just really see something moronic.

by Rocket94 on Oct 20, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...I just tend to giver more weight to Rocekts performance to RA than to Morey

Not that Morey doesnt do a good job drafting and trading for good players, but RA I think is really the maestro with what he is given.

Morey’s best skill, as far as I can tell, is his discipline, which apparently most GMs in the NBA completely lack. The guys just refuses to buy into hype, the need to “win now” etc…

by John P on Oct 20, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed..

What he does with the talent he has is totally up to RA and he uses it quite well. He has with every team to be fair though. We are lucky to have a great coach and one that doesn’t bumb heads with Morey unlike JVG.

by Rocket94 on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

SF upgrade

SF is the weak link. Battier and Budinger are okay but it sure would be nice to have somebody like the guy you said to please not talk about. If we cannot get him, then maybe somebody like him although there really are not many like him. Carelo is pretty special and sure would look good out there on the floor with Brooks, Martin, Scola and Yao. I think that would be the best starting 5 in the NBA (as long as they are all healthy).

by Gulder_Roy on Oct 20, 2010 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

actually in that lineup...offensively speaking, Yao would be the weak link, as he is so limited these days

That would be pretty imposing but that assumes we don’t have to trade any of our starting five to get Melo…which I doubt.

Anyway, being realistic, I woudl rather see the starting five of Lowry, Martin, Iggy, Scola and Yao. You definitely loose some perimiter shooters (loosing both Brooks and Battier) but you gain a versitile SF that plays on both sides of the court and doesn’t have an ego the size of a planet…

by John P on Oct 20, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question?

Of the 4 players cut from the roster to get down to the 15 limit did any of them receive any minutes in any of the preseason games? If not how does the coaching staff know what they are getting rid of without seeing them in actual game situations?

by rocketsfn on Oct 20, 2010 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

i remember seeing Johnson and Harris

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That's just turrible

by joshsm07 on Oct 21, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surprised no one has put this one forward yet

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by BD34 on Oct 20, 2010 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

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 2005-06 HOU 40 13:24 1.5 2.6 56.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.7 1.1 64.4 1.7 2.8 4.5 0.4 0.3 0.7 0.4 1.9 3.7
 2006-07 HOU 78 22:00 2.5 4.3 57.3 0.0 0.0 N/A 0.7 1.1 61.8 2.6 4.1 6.7 0.6 0.8 0.9 0.2 3.6 5.6
 2007-08 HOU 79 19:53 1.4 2.8 51.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.3 45.8 1.7 3.7 5.4 1.2 0.8 1.1 0.5 2.7 3.0
 2008-09 HOU 71 12:05 0.6 1.6 37.2 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.1 0.3 36.8 1.0 2.5 3.5 0.6 0.4 0.5 0.3 1.9 1.3
 2009-10 HOU 82 21:36 2.0 4.0 48.9 0.0 0.0 N/A 0.4 0.8 54.6 1.8 3.8 5.7 1.7 0.9 0.9 0.5 2.7 4.4
 Career 350 18:23 1.6 3.2 51.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.4 0.7 56.8 1.8 3.5 5.3 1.0 0.7 0.8 0.4 2.6 3.6
Career TotalsCareer Totals
 Career FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
 Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PTS
 2005-06 HOU 40 535 59 105 56.2 0 1 0.0 29 45 64.4 67 112 179 14 12 26 14 76 147
 2006-07 HOU 78 1714 192 335 57.3 0 0 N/A 55 89 61.8 204 317 521 47 64 70 18 281 439
 2007-08 HOU 79 1575 113 221 51.1 0 3 0.0 11 24 45.8 132 295 427 91 62 85 43 212 237
 2008-09 HOU 71 858 42 113 37.2 0 4 0.0 7 19 36.8 74 176 250 42 25 34 19 134 91
 2009-10 HOU 82 1773 161 329 48.9 0 0 N/A 36 66 54.6 151 314 465 139 74 73 43 219 358
 Career 350 6455 567 1103 51.4 0 8 0.0 138 243 56.8 628 1214 1842 333 237 288 137 922 1272

For those who are interested in Chucks stats here they are.
In 5 years with the Rockets Chuck has played in 350 games averaging 3.6 ppg with 5.3 rpg. in a span of 18.23 minutes per game His FT percentage stands at 56.8% with a high of 64.4% and a low of 36.8%.
The reason I bring all this up is that there are 7 player who will not make the team 4 of which have already been excused by being waived and 3 that will have to go to the Vipers and await a injury or trade before having a shot at a roster spot. Chuck has had 5 years to show the Rockets some sort if any improvement and yet even with him being in his prime ( he is now or will be this year 27) he is still a 1 dimentional player listed as a PF/C for which this team is well equiped.
Of the 7 players who will not be on the 12 man roster come the beginning of the season are we to believe that none of them had a better game or a far better upside than what the Chuckwagon has brought? I realize he is a very popular player among Rocket fans but popularity aside let us focus on talent. Many talk of how Chuckwagon gives it his all and then some. That statement may be 100% true but his improvement over the 5 years he has been with the Rockets has not been measurable. He is not the guy you want shooting free throws at a blistering 56.8%. At 5.3 rpg he is not a rebounding machine and at 3.6ppg he will not draw double teams freeing up another player. Without Yao last year he only played 21.36 minutes, now that Yao is back and we have both Miller and supposedly Hill as back-ups why do we need a player who has shown NO IMPROVEMENT OVER A 5 YEAR STRECH and who will cost 2.1 million. 2.1 million in the NBA I know is peanuts but none of those 7 let go were making 2.1 million and they may of had a better upside than old Chucky has shown. also remember going down to the Vipers doesn’t protect them from being signed by another NBA team eg. Shannon Brown

by rocketsfn on Oct 21, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

So, you don't watch the Rockets is what you're saying

Defensive specialty assignments. Causes plenty of the guys he defends to score at a reduced rate, matches up well over everyone on the floor, and players we had to try to replace him have failed miserably (Sup Joey Dorsey?).

Case dismissed for lack of a case stated.

I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.

by BD34 on Oct 21, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

have to say I disagree

stats show what you can easily quantify. RA does a pretty good job of putting players where they need to be to make the team work and Chuck got center duty because of his great D on post players. Fine he doesn’t get a ton of rebounds. He is 6-6, no suprise others got the ball over him, but this D on those same players does not show up, which is why he is on the team.

Not that this will save him, but my guess is you may also want to get rid of Shane for Melo, and may be a big fan of Golden State and NYC/formerly the Phoenix Suns.

Defense and hussle is hard to quantify and you just are not going to see it on a state sheet, but are required to win games. Not that this will keep Chuck on the team, but he is as good or better than his 2M in salary and it will take a big step up from Patterson and the keeping of Scola, Hill and Patterson at PF to make him tradeable. He just fills so many roles well for so cheap to lose.

by John P on Oct 21, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, how about no declines in 5 years

I know we use stats a lot to analyze our players, but this is one player especially you dont use conventional stats to look at. Let me throw some advance stats at you.

from 2003 to 2009 Chuck Hayes had the 2nd highest defensive adjusted +/- of all NBA players, and 5th in overall +/-, Defensive rating under 100 for years except for last year. I am not making hime out to be the greatest defender ever because he isnt, but regardless of minutes, this guy is consistent in what he contributes and can stunt offensive player for a short stint

Charles Edward Hayes Jr. is one of the smartest and toughest player on this team, if he’s not a player, he’d be an excellent strength and front court coach

by NVP on Oct 21, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

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