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Why not Kevin Martin?

 

 

First things first…this is my first FanPost so please take it easy on me in the comments.

 

I have been reading a whole bunch of talk about Kevin Martin not being the guy that can take us to the promise land because he can´t finish games in the fourth quarter. But honestly, can we say that just yet? I guess that can be said, but is it a fair assessment of KM. How many other stars out there could be doing better with what the Rockets, as a whole, are giving KM? I was checking out a few stats on Yahoo Sports and came across this interesting quote:

 

¨Nov 23 G Kevin Martin leads the Rockets in scoring, averaging 23.4 points per game and is second in the NBA behind Kobe Bryant in points per minute.¨ 

 

I would have to say that this is pretty good company to be in. And just think, he is accomplishing this WITHOUT 40% of his fellow starters (and even less if we factor in Yao at only 24 minutes).

 

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Listen, NBA coaches are good…really good. They know who the go-to-guys are on the opposing teams, the strengths of these players, where they like to receive the ball, the capabilities of the other players on the floor at the end of the game etc. And guess what? They know exactly when it is time to change the flow of the game and cut off what has been working for the opposing team…and that typically includes doubling the go-to-guy to get the ball out of his hands.

 

We don´t have to look any farther back than this year´s Miami Heat to see that at the NBA level, it takes more than just bringing in another superstar to win a game (at least consistently). I didn´t check but I think that Miami has only been truly healthy for 4 or 5 games this season and look what is happening to them (and that is not even accounting for Mike Miller´s absence since day one). You gotta be healthy to compete at the NBA level and the Rockets are not even close to being 100% healthy.

 

Let´s say that all of you who don´t believe in KM had your wish and you could trade straight up for any other player in the league (at the 2 or 3 position). Who would you bring in, why would you bring in him and do you honestly think that we would have any more wins than we do right now? Ok, maybe we would have 4 or 5 wins but not many more. You can trade KM straight up for Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Carmelo, Durant etc. but I am telling you that we wouldn´t be winning many more games than we are right now. And why? Because basketball is one of the ultimate TEAM sports. It is not baseball where you can hand the ball to one man who will make the absolute difference in getting the W or L.

 

How would the outcomes of our games be any different with Kobe handling the rock during the last six minutes of the game? He would get the ball at the top of the key (or free throw line extended after backing his man down) and he would be doubled team immediately and would then have to pass to _________ (insert any Rocket player here not name Scola) and the result would be the same. (But coach, it really felt good leaving my hand…) 

 

So what´s my point?

 

Let our ´boys get healthy for 10 or 15 games straight and then let´s talk about whether or not KM should be sticking around. After all, KM is already a top 10 scorer in the ENTIRE NBA right now. And he has accomplished this without having to chunk up 20 shots a game. He takes seven shots less than Durant and Rose, five less than Carmelo and Kobe and three less than LeBron. Just think how much better he will be when (if) we have all (most) of our talent on the floor and not sitting on the bench.

 

P.S. Make sure to read what I said…I didn´t say that I wouldn´t trade KM straight up for any of the players listed…I said that they wouldn´t make that much of a difference with our team´s situation right now. I mean, who wouldn´t take a healthy Wade over KM at the shooting guard position?

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by 4theluvofthegame on Nov 24, 2010 5:20 PM CST reply actions  

I want Kevin here.

I like him a lot. But we need more than just Kevin.

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by Tom Martin on Nov 24, 2010 5:58 PM CST reply actions  

Well written for your first post.

Besides disappearing in the fourth quarter, his defensive effort is pissing me off. However, his effeciency is insane. It doesn’t even things out, but at least he carries us on offense at times.

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by bone31crusher on Nov 24, 2010 10:48 PM CST reply actions  

Kevin Martin is part of the solution, not the solution.

I agree with the TEAM sport part completely….if only we could get Iggy for picks, TPE, and maybe Bud or JHill….but…highly unlikely…

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by Roxbybirth on Nov 24, 2010 10:59 PM CST reply actions  

That is right

Martin is not the problem but he is valuable as trade bait too. I mean … just because a guy is good, that doesn’t mean you don’t trade him. If you only trade duds, you get duds.

by Gulder_Roy on Nov 25, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

The thing is, Kevin Martin is not a top-tier star.

He headlines the second-tier, in my opinion. His scoring is superb and that’s why I think he can start on a championship team but he doesn’t bring anything else to the table.

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.

by .Bonzo on Nov 24, 2010 11:12 PM CST reply actions  

Do you consider Ray Allen a top tier star?

Loosely thats who I sometimes compares him with

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by joshsm07 on Nov 25, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Well Ray Allen has Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce

I would put Kevin Martin in that Ray Allen class…tremendous shooter and efficient scorer who can be your leading scorer but is not a closer. He’s like that 8th inning reliever who you try to have close, only to see it backfire. He’s terrific in his role, but he’s not the guy who should be your main man in the late stages.

I know Aaron Brooks can take that role on, and Luis Scola has shown the ability.

Yet, I’m starting to soften my stance on Carmelo after the first month of the year…we need Mariano Rivera.

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by Nitroberg on Nov 25, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually we need Michael Bourn

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by RocketsAstros on Nov 25, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I watched Allen with the Sonics when I lived in Seattle

This guy could close games. He was amazing in the 4th. That’s what makes him a top-tier star.

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.

by .Bonzo on Nov 25, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Ray Allen is a much better defender.

Terrible comparison.

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by bone31crusher on Nov 25, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

He really isn't

Boston’s defensive scheme makes him an average defender but when I watched him with the Sonics his defense was average at best. The true difference is the way he steps his game up in the 4th the way I’ve never seen Martin do.

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.

by .Bonzo on Nov 25, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Who cares how he played defense in Seattle.

Doc Rivers stresses defense so much that Ray puts full effort into it. He did a decent job when guarding Kobe.

Comparing Allen to Martin is inaccurate. Period.

"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley

by bone31crusher on Nov 25, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Well if he's comparing the star Martin to the star Allen

Then we’re talking about Seattle.

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.

by .Bonzo on Nov 26, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Ray hasn't really lost a giant step yet.

Sure, he doesn’t get to the rim like he used to, but his shooting is still there. If Martin was playing with a healthy Yao and AB, Martin would probably be averaging around 20 a game, not 25. With KG and Pierce, Allen averaged around 17 per game, back when all three were in Boston for the first year. K-Mart is our first option, and even with Yao and Brooks, he would be our first or second. Allen has always been the third option for Boston.

My other point is that Allen is able to play D, Martin is not. He probably can’t bench 100 pounds, therefore people can go around him or through him with ease. Offensively, I’d take Martin, but defensively, it’s not close.

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by bone31crusher on Nov 26, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Martin is okay

I do not want to trade Martin but I think you are wrong about the difference that one player can make in basketball (as opposed to baseball or football, for example). Basketball only has 5 guys on the court and if you get the right one, he can make a huge difference. Martin is good but he is not that great difference maker. I do not want to trade Martin but I sure would trade him in an instant for the right player. That is what makes the draft so super important in basketball - half the time that #1 pick is a monster. Martin is a good role player. He is not, for one reason or the other, a great winner.

by Gulder_Roy on Nov 25, 2010 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

I pretty much agree with you

and the rest of the comments about Kevin. I do think that if the right trade was available for us to improve our roster then KM could and should be traded. I am not opposed to him being traded for the right upgrade.

However, my main point in writing this post was that with the current situation in Houston (Yao only 24 min when he does play, Yao and Brooks being out right now) we shouldn`t be jumping to any conclusions about shipping KM out right now because he can´t close the deal (nor Brooks fo that matter). We truly do not know wht we have right now if everyone where to be playing.

You are correct in that one player can make a huge difference…a real big difference BUT not if he is missing 40% of his best teammates. Meaning if Gasol and Artest were out right now, then it would be pretty crazy for Laker fans to be saying that since Kobe is double teamed in the 4th and can´t win the games single-handedly then he should be traded. Know what I am saying? I mean really…Kobe couldn´t get the job done after Shaq left and before Gasol showed up and know one was saying that he needed to be shipped out back then. So my point wasn`t that we shouldn´t trade KM at all, just that we need to wait for our entire team to play together for a while to make that decision.

I personally wouldn´t have a problem trading ANYONE on our roster if the right talent became available AND the trade WOULDN`T cause us to blow up the entire team. BUT I am not sold on the idea that this team can´t go deep into the playoffs if we could just get healthy (and really that isn´t asking too much since Brooks isn´t normally a health concern).

by 4theluvofthegame on Nov 25, 2010 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

Yes

But if Houston were somehow able to sign the right player, right now, this current team, without Yao, could be very, very much better. Also - Kobe is second best on his team. When it was the Shaq-Kobe championships, Shaq was the MVP. And now Pau is MVP on the Lakers. Pau is probably the best PF-C in the NBA right now, since Duncan has slowed some.

If I were running the Rockets (the team would really get screwed up) then I would look to trade Yao. Of course, I don’t give a crap about the Chinese market. Whatever that is worth to Alexander, it is not worth anything to me personally. Yao could be an assest on a contending team that just needs a C to play come playoff time.

by Gulder_Roy on Nov 26, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

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