Rockets Interested in Bringing Carl Landry Back (Per Sam Amick)
The Rockets, who remain engaged and hopeful on the Carmelo Anthony sweepstakes front, are on the market for a young power forward and sources say they admire Cousins' talent.
While there is no known progress in the Kings' reported -- and longtime -- pursuit of Rockets point guard Aaron Brooks, sources say Cousins isn't the only Kings big man coveted by the Rockets. Despite signing forward Luis Scola to a five-year, $47 million deal last summer, Houston has significant interest in bringing back free-agent-to-be forward Carl Landry. The fourth-year player was traded to Sacramento in February in the three-team deal that sent Kevin Martin to Houston and Tracy McGrady to New York.
As for Anthony, the Rockets are among the many teams whose options -- and thus, their chances at landing Denver's star small forward -- expand on Dec. 15. That's the first date on which free agents who signed last summer (e.g. Scola for Houston) can be traded.
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i dont see how bringing carl back would help us
i mean i like him but i think we have a good 4 in scola an patterson for future, plus i think we have bigger holes in our small forward position and center position. i really dont see how this trade if it happens would help us while probably loosing brooks for carl.
I hear u on that 1
But if we aren’t going to contend this year or even next year then its time to blow this team up and rebuild. I am not saying we should blow it up now but if the management doesn’t feel like we have a chance left with this shrinking window for a championship then they will most likely start over.
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Said it a few months ago
You gotta remember that Carl was a beast off the bench in the 4th quarter, which is what we lack right now. I don’t think we would trade Brooks for him though, out of the question
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Dec 1, 2010 2:35 PM CST reply actions
Really?
We’re missing a 4th quarter closer? Or rebounders, shotblockers, guys who want to play, and energy? Cause I must be losing my eyesight if a closer would remedy all of our woes.
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Love Carl, but I think it is a lateral move at best.
As I wrote here, this team needs a fucking legit three. Why the hell would we go after yet another power forward? Not quite as enamored with Patterson as they claimed at the draft?
Nail on the head
Lateral move at best. Landry solves none of our problems at the end of the day. Though the trade article does mention Anthony in concert with a Sacramento big. Sacramento has proven to be open to three way trades with Houston and Houston has looked to deal with multiple teams more often than not. I wouldn’t be shocked if it was some kind of shuffle that brought Anthony and Landry to Houston with Scola + Knicks picks and a youngster to Denver, Brooks to Sacramento, maybe a PG from somewhere else. I’d go apeshit on the trade because I wholly endorse Brooks as a top flight PG and Scola is not someone you swap out for a money hungry diva.
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I strongly disagree.
This team needs talent and depth at all three frontcourt positions. Our 3s are certainly good enough to be the weakest starting position on a championship team. You can’t function with 1-2 competent big men. Look at the Lakers’ struggles right now with only Gasol and Odom. You’ve got to be REALLY high on Patterson to believe we’re set in the frontcourt.
Landry won’t bring a title, but he’ll make us better, Sure, if the option is to get Chris Paul or Landry, fine. But that’s not the choice.
And late first-round picks are always gambles. Do you honestly expect the Rockets to say publicly that they were picking a player who probably won’t make it?
Do not want
Not that I don’t like Carl, but why would we do this? We are loaded at the 4 position at the moment, there is no need to trade assets to obtain another PF. Don’t make sense.
loaded at the 4?
There’s no big man on this team besides Scola who can stay on the court! If we had a second legit big man, he’d be playing 35+ in a night, positions be damned.
Sup Jordan Hill
getting royally f*cked on minutes.
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just a word of warning, but
If we trade Scola for Carmelo, I will go apeshit.
I just find it hard to believe that Morey would trade an overachiever with a perpetual engine for a money-hungry attention-whoring diva who can score (but not efficiently) and can play defense (but only when he wants, which is rarely).
by grungedave on Dec 1, 2010 3:03 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
But z0mg
we r can has need a star! Morey said so! He also has shuffled the hell out of our roster and deprived us of continuity needed to achieve a winner. Also, I’d go apeshit too.
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by BD34 on Dec 1, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Carmelo for Scola is full of win!!!
Carmelo is a star player who can draw the double team and attack the basket at will. We need someone like that in this team. Scola is a great player but we have potential fillers with Jordan HIll, P. Patterson, Hayes. It would definitely be sad to see him go but I would make the deal.
I agree, Carmelo may be an attention-whoring diva but he’s a proven star player in this league and Scola is just as inefficient as Carmelo. So why not change the recipe and add some kick to this team.
AIDS =/= Win
If you’re looking to put asses in the seat, yes, Anthony is great. If you’re looking to solve our problems, Scola for Anthony won’t do it. You downgrade PF from a position of quality to a position of needs improvement and you subsequently move SF to our position of strength. Ultimately you just wind up shuffling a team guy for a me first guy who is more recognizable offensively. Problem is, offense isn’t our major problem. Defense and rebounding is.
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Anthony will not solve our problems but will help this team.
I agree, defense should be addressed but our offense could also be improved especially in the second half. Besides, Scola doesn’t play defense and if he does, its a well-kept secret. In rebounding, he does fare well but so could Hill, Hayes, Patterson if given enough playing time.
I understand how some people can think of Carmelo as a “Me” type of player but maybe that what we need someone who can take it upon himself to carry the team when need. Someone who says this game is on me! I’m the man and I will make this team better. I believe Carmelo could do that.
That answer to your scoring problem
is called Aaron Brooks.
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by BD34 on Dec 1, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he's a proven star?
then he must have won many championships and awards!
/what’s that? He’s won nothing and has choked in the playoffs in all but one year?
yeah, no thanks.
by grungedave on Dec 1, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who's really inefficient?
According to Hollinger’s stats, Carmelo has the #11 PER rating in the league. The supposedly hyper-efficient Kevin Martin is #40 and Scola is #28. Who is the really the inefficient scorer?
Also according to Hollinger:
Value Added (total season points above replacement player)
Anthony 106.1 (#13 overall)
Scola 78.5 (#31 overall)
Martin 77.1 (#35 overall)
Estimated Wins Added (above replacement player)
Anthony 3.5 (#13 overall)
Scola/Martin tied at 2.6 (#31 overall)
None of the three are very good defensive players but Anthony is clearly a cut above both Scola and Martin on the offensive end. Why the disdain for Carmelo around here?
We miss his energy, he was a warrior for us
I don’t agree that a backup PF is what we need either but it wouldn’t hurt to have him behind scola and not put in Hayes for extended minutes. Also one thing most people should realize we were better last year with him than without. He was a good player for us when we needed buckets. But yes 3 position should be a priority.
Landry would be a nice piece to pick up to start rebuilding. IMO. He was my favorite player in 2009, he would not be denied against LA. He Never gave up and battled them till the end and for that I will always love the guy. Everyone here remembers his dunk over the Lakers when Kobe was sitting on the floor waiting to sub in and Carl looked right at him and did the Kobe finger wag….god i’m getting all sweaty just thinking about it…
" we were better last year with him than without"
That’s the key here. Giving up Landry for Martin made us worse. Martin has more talent, but size matters.
Might as well say
“I hate objectively looking at small sample sizes.” After that trade we were still hit with injuries and had no time to bring it all together, not to mention the rest of the roster adjusting to a major midseason trade. But hell, let me uproot your entire life, send you to Cambodia, then when you’re not sure what to do for the first week, I’ll call you a raging pansy for it.
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OK, let me put it another way. If you replace Martin with Landry right now on this team, I would bet we win more games this season.
And I would bet you
that our rotations at the 4 spot would get sloppier and Martin’s 20+ per game would cause us to royally get bent over since his contribution to our point differential is roughly all we have keeping us afloat if Scola isn’t delivering.
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no fucking way
the presence of Landry would require the re-emergence of Luis Landry…
which is great and all, but it inherently takes away 20-40% of what Luis is giving us this year. And then you’d get 0% in return for what we’d be giving up in Speed Racer.
I like Landry, but this team is MUCH better post-trade. At least talent-wise. I just have this bad feeling that the players on the roster that have been here a long time (looking at you, Battier and Hayes) just don’t have the same level of energy they used to bring every night… and this is why our 4th Qs are massive disappointments nightly.
I love Carl Landry
but the guy I want is Cousins.
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Completely agree
An heir apparent at the 5 is what I want. Honestly, I wouldn’t be for going after Carl—we’re just so loaded at the four and should save our assets for a young talent or a star—and DMC is that kind of player. Still, I don’t see Sac giving him up even with his disciplinary issues.
by Patrick Harrel on Dec 1, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think I understand why you'd want Cousins
But do you REALLY think Houston will take that risk when they know they can reacquire a tried and true asset like Landry?
If Cousins is being brought in to play at Center, then that certainly changes the complexion of things but I doubt Adelman will even get him put into the rotation until next season anyway – which BTW will be a lockout season.
If the complexity of this trade involves Denver with Melo, then I’d have to say Landry is who comes back from Sacramento because there’s no way Houston can get into conversations with Denver unless you’re trading Scola and Houston knows exactly what they’ll get from Landry in Scola’s absence.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Dec 1, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
So, you're saying that maybe a 3-team trade could go down?
With the main points being that Scola goes to the Nuggets and Melo and Landry end up in Houston. Obviously there are a lot of parts missing to that but that’s the jist of it.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
I think that
if we got Boogie Cousins (somehow) then RA would get some sort of marching orders to play him when Yao wasn’t around, over, say Chuck Hayes. And yes, I absolutely think the Rockets would get him if they could over Landry. My understanding is that the Rockets were offering all sorts of stuff to get into the top picks of the draft, and he’s why.
As for bringing Landry back, I’m not sure why you’d do that with Patterson around – why not try him out? Landry’s deal is expiring, iike Brooks’.
As for the lock out, right now put me down for saying it won’t go into the preseason – things will start up on time. The NBA is doing pretty well right now, the players learned a lesson in the last tiff. I say we don’t lose a season, we don’t even lose any regular season games.
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no, you take Cousins for sure, but I don’t see how we make the Kings trade him. They’re rebuilding with young guys. Scola is getting on in age, and won’t ever be a top-20 player in this league. Cousins at least still has that potential. Anything resembling Scola-for-Cousins seems really unlikely. Why on earth would the Kings make that deal? What do they gain? They’re taking on more salary in Scola.
Not saying I approve of this
But did I call this or what?
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
There's a reason behind everything
If Landry does come back, expect Scola to be shipped. He’s having a great year, and thus, his trade value has increased as well.
by goingforthecorner on Dec 1, 2010 4:35 PM CST reply actions
Maybe, but there’s plenty of minutes for Landry, Scola, and one other big (preferably a center). Lakes aren’t trying to shop any of Bynum/Gasol/Odom, and the Jazz aren’t trying to shop any of Milasp/Jefferson/Okur.
IF Yao comes back strong (or we magically get another stud center) AND Hill becomes a top-flight, 35 min/night guy, then yes, one of our big men would potentially become expendable and could be used to get a 3 or something else. But that’s an embarrassment of riches that is unlikely to happen.
Totally forgot
Lala or whatever the hell she calls herself is the GM of the Nuggets.
I don’t want him here but the point still stands. He goes where his contract does, he can throw a fit but at the end of the day, his name on the bottom of a piece of paper without a trade verification clause means he shuts up and goes.
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Just sayin...
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by Start the Bench on Dec 1, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
yes, but what’s the point of renting Melo until his contract runs out next summer? Without a miraculous Yao recovery, Melo does make this team a contender. And giving up Scola, we’re not even a contender with a healthy circa-2008 Yao. So we give up a clear asset in Scola to win 41 games this year instead of 35. I don’t see any logic there.
Before the season with some expectation of a healthy Yao, maybe. But now, forget it.
Herein lies the questions you ask yourself as a GM
Keep in mind, I said no to the idea of getting Carmelo Anthony, I think any intelligent GM would as well. So you’re asking me to justify what some of this board is thinking, which I won’t do because I am not them.
As far as whether or not we get a healthy Yao back, depends on what they do with him and how he takes to it all. We don’t know the future, being finicky and casting supreme doubts on it is just as wrong as casting way too much optimism on it. I’m saying the Rockets are in a tough spot but Anthony is not the answer.
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Fuck yeah I'd bring Landry back. Did you guys forget what he did for us?
He’s a beast. A BEAST. And no, we don’t ship Scola. I’ll give them Jordan Hill AND a Knicks pick for Landry right now, just to back up Scola. And they can have Jared Jeffries too, for free.
by basketball is cool on Dec 1, 2010 4:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
maybe its irrational, but I can’t help but have the same opinion. I know comparisons to the Jazz are frowned upon, but Landry reminds me a lot of Paul Milsap. Landry can fill many roles and contribute in many ways. I think folks forget that when he first broke into the rotation, Landry made his mark by getting offensive rebounds and put-backs and finishing in the lane when others were doubled. He doesn’t need to be a focus of the offense to contribute.
Sactown
Why are we sucking their hind tit. We got their coach, offensive, Miller, and K-Mart. Now we want another trade with them?
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by Start the Bench on Dec 1, 2010 4:59 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Never looked at it that way
Enjoy your rec.
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at least we also inherited all the championships they won, too!!!
by grungedave on Dec 1, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Have we inherited a thorough screwing at the hands of a corrupt ref/league?
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reminds me of the Texans and Denver
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That's just turrible
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
The Rockets
are going to make some sort of move. Could be Anthony, Iggy, Cousins, Rubio….who knows. I’ll judge a trade when it happens. Until then, I’m just looking at the team we have. With the schedule coming up, it’s a good opportunity for the team to get back on the right track. Battier needs to shoot better, and hopefully Yao and Brooks will be back soon. It’s fun to hear rumors, but let’s not go crazy.
by twinkilling0303 on Dec 1, 2010 5:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
stop it with Iggy
No sane GM gives up anything for Iggy… who is good but not worth ANYWHERE what he’s getting paid and he’s NOT a franchise player. Giving up Kevin Martin or Scola or anyone except maybe Battier and a pick for Iggy would be massively MASSIVELY stupid.
I would trade Scola for Anthony only if
We are able to get Cousins and Landry, that would make sense I think.
I like Landry, but we don't need him or his position
we’re thin at SF and have Scola, Hill, Patterson and Jeffires that can all play the 4.
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That's just turrible
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
Rockets' dilemma
I am Rockets’ fan since the time of Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon. The two players are the best as far as talent is concerned. I emailed Jason Freedman and asked him to try the twin tower approach again. He said to my dismay that this approach was not successful and disagreed with what I suggested. He thinks that he knows everything about coaching and recruiting players. So how is the Rockets’ line-up these days? Is it worth watching? Definitely NO!
I think the entire management should all together resign and give way to the new team. I want a coach who is very aggressive in recruitment excellent players. No top players are interested in playing for Houston now because they are not convinced of its future development. I think the team has to retire Yao now because he is no longer productive and his mind is not settled. Sometimes he wants to retire because of injury. The team must also find ways on how to trade Battier because he is not consistent. I was told he is a good defensive player but I am not convinced.
What the team now is to make several deals to acquire Iguodala and Anthony, and let Scola manage the center spot. With these two players the team can use a complex approach of which the coach may opt to play a running gun offense. With Yao, the team is forced to play half tempo. When you have Brooks and Smith at the point, the coach must maximize the potentials if will offer.
so what you're saying is
you’re butthurt that Jason Freedman can see that the modern NBA has a smaller center and a smaller power forward/outside shooting power forward. For that you’re upset and want to see the Rockets become the Phoenix Suns or the Golden State Warriors. You conveniently ignore that the Rockets actually are entertaining to watch, that Yao’s words about retiring were harmless (If he can’t play you’re damn right he’ll retire), and Battier was in a slump and across his career has been a fine player.
As far as management, the only knock on Morey is shuffling too often to create no continuity and thus a less than fully productive lineup due to lack of chemistry.
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This is so odd and preposterous I'm not sure how to respond.
I’ll just say I’m glad Les Alexander owns the team and not you.
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My thoughts on the above idea
1) I don’t think Melo wants to come here and it sounds like he is ultimately driven to live in NYC at the cost of everything else. Basically he would rather wait and screw Denver then make NYC trade a ton of assets that he could otherwise play with.
2) that being said, trading Brooks, Scola, first round picks and Bud or Hill for a three way trade that lands us Melo and Landry then I say do it. Landry is not Scola but he is pretty close, neither play defense and both are beasts…basically you get a huge trade of Brooks then for Melo. A trade that easily makes sense.
3) Cousins sounds good on paper but isn’t this guy a complete basket case? Who wants JR Smith on there team now anyway? Cousins sounds like just as immature, me-first idiot. If that is not an accurate statement of his attitude then fine but no team wants poison in the locker room. Why aren’t people signing AI in the NBA these days?
4) if Cousins is that good and can be coached then who wouldn’t want him…but there are two decent centers coming up next season as free agents… M. Gasol, K. Perkins and I think Dalembert.
5) I say we try and resign Yao as a backup/mentor and sign M. Gasol to a high dollar figure and make him our center for the future. He is a rough and tumble big man who can hold his own. And with Yao to still play decent minutes and coach him that would be a pretty good deal…if he will sign with us.
Your keeping Yao around to coach and mentor Pau Gasol? Thank you for the very good laugh.
Gasol DOB Jul 6, 1980
Yao DOB Sep 12, 1980
Somehow Gasol is the spring chicken here in need to teaching and coddling? Gasol is older and probably has had the better career.
As for the other points you raise, I’m going to let them be.
And the award for "I should be wearing a helmet goes to..."
M. Gasol = Marc Gasol, not Pau. Nice try though.
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Would you guys be down for a Landry and Omri Casspi (or Donte Greene, whichever one Morey and Petrie decide on)
for Courtney Lee and Case Budinger?
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That deal works ok
Not sure I wouldn’t rather have Budinger than Casspi though.
As for Landry, well, I think we’d all like him back, and he seems more effective in the Rocket system, but he’ll also be a FA next year, so we could try to sign him anyway.
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interesting players, though the Landry free agency affects the thinking considerably
With Courtney Lee, the Rockets pretty much know what they’re getting. The wild card is “Case” Budinger. If he can consistently be the sharpshooting, driving, slamming wrecking ball the he was at times last season, then he’s tough to let go. If he’s going to shoot 13% from behind the arc or whatever…
Big benefit of this deal: Rockets get bigger and don’t lose athleticism.
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