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Woj and Spears report that the Knicks and Rockets are "getting closer" to a deal: McGrady, Dorsey, and (in one variation) Cook for Jeffries, Hill, and either Al Harrington or (with Cook) Larry Hughes. The Rockets would be able to switch picks with the Knicks in 2011 and would receive New York's 2012 pick, as well.

So, for what matters next season: Jordan Hill and two potential lottery picks for Jeffries' $7-million contract and Dorsey.

Discuss below.

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Just figured it out

this is simply another in a long line of union-breaking tactics on the part of management. Joey Dorsey is just too good of a union representative for Les Alexander to handle, so he must send him and his rabble-rousing ways to New York.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 15, 2010 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

Kings fan here

Daryl Morey is one bad ass mother effer if this trade goes through. The Knicks are such a poorly run franchise that no big name is going to want to go there. Then those picks will end up being lottery picks and Houston will be laughing the entire time. Plus Jordan Hill is a nice prospect that never got any time in New York, because once again, New York sucks.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 15, 2010 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

I actually like this deal for the Rockets

We get a young guy with a lot of upside in Hill. Hughes is an expiring who would be nice off the bench and Jeffries can play some defense. And the ability to switch with the Knicks in 2011 is nice as well. Because odds are the Rockets will be better then the Knicks that year. the 2012 pick is just icing on the cake IMO.

by mob16151 on Feb 15, 2010 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

I like it

in the context of what’s available. Once it has become clear that Bosh/Iggy/Martin/etc. aren’t available (or are available, but not for what the Rockets are willing to give up), then this sort of deal becomes pretty good.

At the same time, Jeffries’ contract would hurt a lot. Houston will have something around $11 million this summer, depending on the cap, and so Jeffries would eat most of that, leaving us with only $4 million and the MLE.

Still, Morey made some comment in an interview (I think it was the Slam one, but I don’t remember exactly) that they’d be looking at the free agents this summer, and that a sign-and-trade would be possible. Hill’s got upside, Jeffries’ expiring deal is large enough to matter in a trade, and the Rockets have plenty of other assets available for such a trade.

Accumulating low-priced assets is never a bad thing.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 15, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

It appears to be a pretty solid deal. We pretty much give up nothing particularly useful and aquire some decent young talent. I’d like to see what Jordan Hill is made out of. I’m curious as to why he doesn’t get a lot of love at NY. I suppose David Lee is commanding all the touches in the paint.

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by Artest4Prez on Feb 15, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

jeffries can play the 4

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok was wondering about that

I’ve always thought he was a natural 3.

by mob16151 on Feb 15, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

hes 6'11

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

And the Wixards gave him PT at shooting guard

He’s skinny…………………..like a 3 lol

by mob16151 on Feb 15, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

he is better at the 4 though.

his strength is not perimeter defense. he has long arms so he is an excellent shot blocker.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok thats kool

Havent really followed him since he came out of school.

by mob16151 on Feb 15, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

they have been on national tv a few times.

i have also asked some knicks bloggers about what his positives are.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

who'd you ask?

just curious

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by Tom Martin on Feb 15, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

i just posted a comment a while back on a post.

got a few answers. not sure if they wrote for the blog or not.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

By getting back...... someone who doesn't do anything for Houston anymore

I think that if we’re not getting back Butler or Iggy or one of those second-tier stars, this is our best case scenario aka. grab young talents and lots of draft picks (and even if New York attracts Lebron and becomes a good team, it’s not a major concern given Morey’s drafting ability). We give up no one of value, get Hill who has potential, and Harrington who could do damage (heck, even Hughes might be of some value given our SG problems.) Jeffries sucks, but it’s like the new Brian Cook of the Lowry trade, and Jeffries can actually be a not-awful player unlike Cook, even if he’s paid more.

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by Barragan on Feb 15, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree.

jeffries can actually play defense unlike cook.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

i like it like everyone else does.

im excited to get hill. he could be our next PF to play beside yao. the one thing that confuses me is al harrington. he is an anti-morey player. if we get him there is no point in benching him and letting him complain to the media that he is getting no playing time. now if we actually play him, then i guess thats why we want him. the only player i see that can fit into the rotation is jeffries. he doesnt take bad shots, good defender, excellent shot blocker and a decent mid range game. we can either play hill and see how he does or send him to down to the d-league to develop into chris bosh(the player people compare him to). get it done daryl!

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

I look at Harrington as bench firepower

And say what you will about him the man gives you points in bunches.

by mob16151 on Feb 15, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

on how many shots?

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

lets hope.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Harrington's there for the financial aspects of it

We need a big contract to take on to match McGrady

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by Tom Martin on Feb 15, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

so adelman won't play harrington?

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

as long as its harrington over hughes

THEN I LIKE THIS DEAL….also rmbr that morey might flip harrington and jeffries to another team for other players..

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 15, 2010 5:11 PM CST reply actions  

Hmmm

A true win for Rockets would be Cook(or Andersen),cash and future considerations to Wash for part of their $6mil TPE.
Then a simultaneous 2-part trade:
Dorsey for one of Knicks’ TPEs
McGrady for Hill,Jeffries,Harrington,the swap and the 2012 First.
Wash either gets a second or the 2012 Knick First.
Note that this generates 3 TPEs for Rockets-$3.8mil,either $3.5 or $2.mil and a modest $881,000.

While Jeffries,Hill essentially kills the $7mil or so cap room in 2010,what were we really expecting out of that?
The two decent TPEs could come in very handy in a future trade,taking on a player in exchange for future draft picks(ala OKC) or just getting a player from a team desperate to cut costs.
As to Jeffries fit at SF,unless Taylor gets serious minutes,Jeffries would give Battier and Ariza some needed rest,esp if Lowry is going to be out for a while.

by Tisbee on Feb 15, 2010 5:25 PM CST reply actions  

Gallinari?

Do any of you think we could get Gallinari from the Knicks? I think I might like him more than Hill (not really sure). I guess since D’Antoni played with his dad or whatever it would be doubtful, but I thought I saw a rumor somewhere in the past that Morey was interested in him.

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by SlatonShuffle on Feb 15, 2010 5:31 PM CST reply actions  

gallinari is the main guy they have said "off limits" to.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Here we GO

This deal is very nice. Hill is a nice young piece. He has potential and will get minutes with the rockets. Harrington/Hughes can contribute this year off the bench (Morey has said he wanted to give this year a shot) then be gone or get flipped for something else. The 2 lottery picks are very nice. No one will go to new york because they have nothing. Morey is gathering up a collection of young talent plus Yao to make Houston a very attractive team this summer to anyone (Joe Johnson, please).
What about flipping jeffries and hughes to Miami? They need a third team to land Amare and I’d only do it if we could get Beasley. Just a thought.

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by twiceisnice9394 on Feb 15, 2010 5:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

ha

if we can get beasley then im all for it 1,000 percent!

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 15, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

what get me about this trade is it does nothing to our starting lineup so im really what are we looking at? If anybody going to get benched with this trade it will be chuck.

by southpaw70 on Feb 15, 2010 5:45 PM CST reply actions  

nobody is getting benched.

we are just adding mored depth. hill will probably go to the d-league so he can become chris bosh. jeffries and harrington wil give scola, ariza, and battier more resting time. as much as i hate harrington, he gives us more firepower off the bench with landry and lowry.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

if our 'ship window is only a couple years

then I don’t see how this makes us contenders next year, nor do I see how it would allow flexibility for another trade that puts us in that conversation sans some out-of-left-field second trade Morey pulls out of his ass. Plus this lands us with a bloated contract in Jeffries, whom is not expiring. Jamison would be a better move; in my opinion, he’s a more reliable player who definitely makes us deeper at the 4 than this trade, though its probability is something I am wholly unaware of with the exception of the Yahoo rumors.

On top of that, the draft picks quickly lose their luster if NY does hit a home run in free agency this summer (or even a double); they better off they are, the lower the pick[s].

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by olivarezq1 on Feb 15, 2010 5:56 PM CST reply actions  

Why?

Even if they are late first round draft picks in the worst case, we’ve seen what Morey can do with those.

And Jamison is also massively overpaid, and for much longer than Jeffries, and is far older. Jeffries frankly is not as bad as people think he is – people act like he’s another Cook, and he’s not. He’s definitely overpaid, but can actually be a potential part of a roster.

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by Barragan on Feb 15, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

You need to re-configure your assessment of what Morey has done with those picks

They have been great picks, but it’s not like he’s uncovered superstars – he’s found great complementary pieces; however, their complementarity is necessarily contingent on what they complement (sorry for the redundancy), and to me, that’s star players. This is because each of those players has inadequacies that can only be masked by star power, be it Brooks’ asst: turnover ratio, Landry’s rebounding, Scola’s consistency / athleticism, etc.

And, as I’ve said elsewhere, comparing Jamison’s contract and output is not a bad trade-off, even when factoring in his age, because he does more and gets paid less than other premiere big men in the NBA (compare his numbers and salary to Stoudemire, Gasol, Aldridge’s extension, etc), and has not had all of the injury problems those players have. Given his limited athleticism, he (like Scola) has a pretty solid life-expectancy playing wise.

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by olivarezq1 on Feb 15, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

no sh**

that’s the point of my argument: this trade makes me uneasy because it’s for draft picks (and a lottery pick in Hill), which I don’t think are going to net us a star player; the risk is created by NY potentially signing a solid free agent or two. Read the core argument before you respond to its clarification. Jamison is a solid vet, and arguably a star player in this league that’s just stuck on a shit team right now.

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by olivarezq1 on Feb 15, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

he is overpaid.

and he plays no defense.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

so is Jeffries

and a lot of other players in the NBA – on top of that, you’re still missing the point of my argument, which is that, while Jamison is still arguably complementary, he is more reliable than draft picks. Couple that with rookies trending towards playing poor / no defense, and your argument has no comparative advantage over mine – I am still coming out on top since, at the very least, I can point to stats.

To further drive the point home to you, a return of Yao as a shot-changer, with Jamison, is something I’m more comfortable with than players who aren’t NBA-tested with the return of Yao.

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by olivarezq1 on Feb 15, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

jamison has only got 3 or 4 more years left in him.

i would not mind having him i guess but from morey’s standpoint he’d rather draft a young player.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

But the nice aspect is if this deal goes through

is that in 2012 we’ll have the firepower to do things in the draft. 2 first round picks is huge.

by mob16151 on Feb 16, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

On top of that, the draft picks quickly lose their luster if NY does hit a home run in free agency this summer (or even a double); they better off they are, the lower the pick[s].

Let’s be honest here: who is going to sign with NY this summer? The way I see it, LeBron’s almost certainly going back to Cleveland, Wade’s staying in Miami, and what’s left is merely sorting out what’s left. So maybe Bosh signs with Miami, and then what’s left? The Knicks make max offers to Johnson and Amar’e?

This trade only makes sense for NY because of their continued vague hope of attracting two big free agents based entirely upon the “glamor” of New York and a half-assed promise of “no more fuck-ups.” I don’t see why LeBron, Wade, or Bosh would ever sign with the Knicks, and that basically means that New York is going to be sitting around in 2011 with a vastly overpaid Stoudemire and maybe some fleeting hopes of playoff contention.

Yes, it’s possible they pull off the impossible and grab two top-five players. But I wouldn’t worry about it too much.

I don’t see how this makes us contenders next year,

It doesn’t. At least, it doesn’t make the Rockets much more of a contender next season than they already were going to be.


nor do I see how it would allow flexibility for another trade that puts us in that conversation sans some out-of-left-field second trade Morey pulls out of his ass

You’ve got a 2009 lottery pick and two future first-round picks. You also have a sizable expiring deal. Yes, that’s a big deal when formulating a trade. How can it not be? You can say, “Well, but maybe there won’t be a significant trade available then,” and I totally agree, but I don’t think any trades of that sort were available this season, either.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 15, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

the thesis of my argument is that this is a dangerous trade on our part

when taking into consideration the possibility of them hitting that home run (which i agree is pretty improbable, but is an issue none-the-less). Even if they are great picks lottery-wise, the player could always turn out to be a bust. I understand that Morey and our scouts are great talent evaluators, but that’s just another risk factor that is not fool-proof ,which worries me. I imagine a trade could hold the same danger (ie picking up a solid player [a la Jamison] and him suffering the Rockets curse and breaking something or have it spaz out), but vets (in my mind) are just more reliable.

In response to the contender issue, this is a major fork in the road: either we are going to contend now (by now I mean over the next couple years), or we’re going to rebuild and just have Yao hang around, despite the fact that age is going to be so much harder on him given his medical history and his size.
^^
That, to me, makes no sense – he could be in great condition the next two years, but regardless of what happens in the next couple years, he’s going to be a minimal contributor / role player 3 to 4 years from now. This leads me to thinking that the line of thought around the organization is, or at the very least should be, that we need to contend ASAP. Which brings me back to my point – this doesn’t fit that mold, so what is the organization, barring some Morey magic (which is so hard to predict ,as proven at last year’s trade deadline), saying to both the fans, and to Yao (in terms of his desire for a ring, and recognition of his own basketball mortality)?

 I disagree, though somewhat blindly, that a significant trade is not available this year, however, I can sympathize with the difficulty of putting something together. This trade, I guess, just leaves me confused and frustrated.

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by olivarezq1 on Feb 15, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

T-Mac is the highest paid player in the league!

It’s not easy to move his MASSIVE contract

Maybe Morey can make some last-minute magic happen and trade away Harrington/Hughes for something useful

by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Feb 15, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't

think it works like that; if I remember correctly, you can’t trade players until 30 days after they come to your team, which would be after the deadline. I might be wrong.

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by olivarezq1 on Feb 15, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Much Better than buying out TMac's contract

If this is the best we can get then I am a fan. Switching picks will benefit us as well as the extra 1st rounder in 2012 and having young talent like Hill can’t hurt. Not the most exciting deal we all desired but kudos to Morey if he can make this work. This looks much nicer than the rumors we heard about a month ago with Curry, Mobley & Jeffries

by jroberts5 on Feb 15, 2010 6:05 PM CST reply actions  

Much Better than buying out TMac’s contract

There’s basically no way the Rockets would buy out McGrady’s contract. That’s not because of spite or anything – it’s just that insurance pays for all but about $5/$6 million of Tracy’s salary, so he’d probably be giving back way more than he’s willing to.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 15, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I didn't know how much truth there was in it

But lots of media outlets are saying that we would buy him out if a deal isn’t reached. I haven’t known why they would say that, other than that’s what NY & TMac would want. But just in case that’s what was going to happen if we didn’t trade him was what my comment was based on. I still feel like this deal is better than letting him walk though as well

by jroberts5 on Feb 15, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

how good is jordan hill

is jordan hill really that great of a prospect? from what i remember didnt people think he was overvalued during the draft?

by Sricharan Iyengar on Feb 15, 2010 6:06 PM CST reply actions  

he is compared to chris bosh basically.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

his potential is compared to Chris Bosh

but right now he isnt getting playing time on the Knicks, which is saying alot.

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by TexasHoosier on Feb 15, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

that is not true actually.

he is still raw but Dantoni’s rotation is only 8 players, so it makes it even harder to make.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

he didn’t have very good collegiate stats at all. He is compared to guys like Chris Bosh because he is tall and has dreadlocks.

He can be a good big, but he’s not a top ten talent in the draft.

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by Cablinasian on Feb 15, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

we will see in maybe a year or two if he is worth it.

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 15, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly my point from earlier

we don’t have time, considering Yao’s medical history and body in general, to see if it works out. That’s why this is a bad trade, it’s a lot of ‘what ifs’ meant to bring a championship to a player who doesn’t have time to wait for picks to develop.

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by olivarezq1 on Feb 15, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

app. if its harrington then we do not need to send away cook...

which id like more in hopes of sending jeffries and cook and flip them to another team

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 15, 2010 7:03 PM CST reply actions  

Im pretty neutral on this trade

But I dont really get it. It seems to me like it would just be trading McGrady because we want to trade McGrady. It doesnt do much for us this season and would create an even bigger jam at PF with Scola, Landry, and Harrington. Jeffries is not much of a player, Hill cant even get minutes on the Knicks, and Hughes is washed up. The picks would be nice but they wouldnt do anything for us until the 2011-2012 season which is a long time from now. Id rather keep T-Mac’s salary for us to use this offseason and help us make a push next season, a.k.a. Yao’s contract year.

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by TexasHoosier on Feb 15, 2010 7:18 PM CST reply actions  

You know last year.....

“We traded for a guy who couldn’t get minutes on the Grizzlies! What the heck was Morey thinking!”
So the fact that Hill didn’t get significant minutes is not really a concern to me, especially D’Antoni does not like big rotations at all.

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by Barragan on Feb 15, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

okay but this trade doesnt do anything for us the next two years

Jordan Hill is a PF/C who would be stuck behind Hayes, Scola, and Landry this year and Yao, Hayes, Scola, and Landry next season. If we get Harrington than thats another person in front of Hill.

There is no piece of this deal that I think will help us this year or next year besides Al Harrington, but Id sign a free agent this summer than have Al Harrington be our big addition.

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by TexasHoosier on Feb 15, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

If we hang onto Hill, I sincerely doubt we re-sign Scola in the off-season. Landry gets the lion’s share of the PF minutes, and Hill gets 15 per game or so.

Hayes will probably more involved in backing up Yao than playing PF. I’m thinking Yao gets around 25 minutes at C, while Hayes and Andersen split the rest.

by OremLK on Feb 16, 2010 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

BTW

McGrady,Dorsey for Hill,Harrington,Jeffries gets the Rockets under the Lux Tax by over $1mil.
Getting under tax makes it very likely Cook is bought out.

by Tisbee on Feb 15, 2010 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

Morey does it again (hopefully)!! I like the trade!

For one we get essentially 2 lotto picks!? Hill was this years and whoever else in 2011. Then we get a first rounder in 2012 and maybe a 2nd rounder this year!? Man, this is actually a great trade! I mean c’mon we aren’t going deep in the playoffs this year so hopefully Hill gets playing time & in the summer league & by next season BAM!!!!! CB4 the 2nd!!! LOL, ok I’m kidding but since he’s compared to a raw Bosh I really like this & the lotto picks are awesome! But I have to say I’d prefer Hughes over Harrington just because he’s a SG & we’re loaded in the F spot plus his EC is bigger. Either way I’m so glad Morey is OUR GM & honestly I think if the Knicks want the cap space it’s great for both teams, although I’m not happy about Jeffries I say we buy him out!!

by mangelq75 on Feb 15, 2010 8:35 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

I like this trade. We get rid of a bunch of “bench warmers” (T-Mac on mandatory leave) and get a one of their starters, a scoring machine off the bench (I’d prefer Harrington) and the possibility of getting more young talent in the future (an extra pick on the 2012 draft). Best we can get for an all-star nearing the end of his career

by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Feb 15, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Knicks Fan here...So whats the analysis

of Joey Dorsey?? Ive heard from Rockets 4 life that hes a great post defender and can bet big on the boards… what else is there? and why doesnt he get any minutes??

by semsemma on Feb 16, 2010 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

1) He’s not a great post defender. He goes for the block too often, gets out of position, and fouls too much. He has the potential to be a great defender, but right now he isn’t one.

2) He is a phenomenal rebounder, on both boards. He’s roughly Dwight Howard’s size and has similar strength, so that should give you some indication of what he’s capable of. The Rockets made sure he developed those skills while in the D-League, and it’s paying off now.

3) As far as actual shooting goes, Joey’s got some issues. He has no post moves to speak of, nor can he make anything beyond some basic layups and dunks (Carroll Dawson, former Rockets GM and a pretty well-respected coach of big men, noted last season that Joey didn’t learn any low post offense while at Memphis, and the Rockets were concentrating on teaching him just the very basics). On the other hand, he’s very powerful, so he frequently can get his misses back, and he can dunk fairly impressively with a little space.

4) From what I’ve seen, he can be a very good passer in the post. Right now, he sometimes struggles to find whoever he’s looking for, but he’s pretty good at making the actual pass.

Overall, he’s a guy who can give you 10-15 rebounds/game if he’s given significant minutes.

and why doesnt he get any minutes??

Because the Rockets felt there were better options at the 4/5 throughout most of the season. With their struggles over the past month, it looks like Joey has passed David Andersen on the depth chart.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 16, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

i got you

thanks for the breakdown.. i watched the clip of him against memphis.. although z-bo is a more “finesse” type player.. along with gasol.. he did take advantage and showed some muscle in grabbing boards. kind of how jard jeffries does for the knicks.. except jj is skin and bones and doesnt body ppl. but he can defend 4 positions on the court. pg-pf

by semsemma on Feb 16, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

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