Tracy McGrady Trade Rumors Update Thread
by Tom Martin on Feb 17, 2010 4:48 PM CST
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PrintFrom now until deadline day (though a deal is expected tomorrow) I'll be continuously updating this post with news from as many sources as possible (time of the published article or tweet is in parentheses, NOT the time at which I posted the update):
Wednesday
Update 12 (4:46 PM): Bulls Have Fallen Out Of Consideration (via Wojnarowski)
Bulls have fallen out of consideration for TMac and Houston focus on negotiating draft pick protection to complete NY deal, sources say. "I guess Chicago could emerge again," a source involved in talks told Y! Sports, "but it doesn't look that way now."
Update 11 (3:12 PM): Rockets Leaning Towards Keeping T-Mac? (via Sean Deveney) [Not surprised at all to see this...]
But on Wednesday, sources told SN that the Rockets are now indicating they are leaning toward not trading McGrady-for now, at least. Houston, apparently, is unhappy with the offers it has gotten from the Bulls and the Knicks, which would involve the Rockets taking on too much long-term salary and not getting enough young assets in return.
Update 10 (11:50 AM): Rockets Interested Solely In Draft Pick Protection (via Berger)
As of Wednesday morning, Knicks president Donnie Walsh and Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan were still deliberating the level of protection they'll require on the 2011 and '12 first-round picks involved in their offer for Tracy McGrady. The key to the Bulls' efforts to circumvent the Knicks' proposal is recruiting a third team with extra first-round picks. One person close to the negotiations said it did not appear that Chicago was having any success on that front.
Draft-pick protection is the only issue Houston cares about in this trade, sources say. The luxury tax savings -- approximately a $7 million swing in their favor -- isn't nearly as significant an issue as getting the most favorable protection possible on the Knicks' picks.
Update 9 (11:04 AM): Hill In Deal With Rockets? (via Marc Spears)
If the New York Knicks and Houston Rockets work out an agreement for Tracy McGrady, Knicks rookie Jordan Hill expects to be in the deal, a source close to him said. The Knicks have made it clear they'll be willing to include Hill if it helps them move Jared Jeffries' contract.
Trading Hill and Jeffries would clear more than $9 million in salary-cap space, allowing the Knicks to possibly sign two max-level free agents this summer.
Update 8 (9:46 AM): Walsh Doesn't Intend To Deal Hill (via Real GM)
A proposed trade between the Knicks and Rockets is losing steam, according to a person familiar with the talks.
"It's less likely than it was on Monday," said the source. "But you never know."
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Multiple sources claim that Walsh has no intention of trading Jordan Hill.
"Donnie is not giving up on Jordan," said one Knicks source. "He told me he's not trading him."
Update 7 (4:36 AM): Morey Getting Cold Feet? (via HoopsWorld) [... I don't normally trust HoopsWorld.]
Knicks president Donnie Walsh is willing to let go of Hill in order to unload Jeffries' contract. But Rockets GM Daryl Morey was getting cold feet in the afternoon about taking on Jeffries' two-year deal and limiting Houston's 2010 cap space, and it was thought a third team might be needed.
"I don't think that would be enough for Houston," one source said early last night. "There's no deal on the table that's acceptable to all parties."
Bulls have fallen out of consideration for TMac and Houston focus on negotiating draft pick protection to complete NY deal, sources say. "I guess Chicago could emerge again," a source involved in talks told Y! Sports, "but it doesn't look that way now."
But on Wednesday, sources told SN that the Rockets are now indicating they are leaning toward not trading McGrady-for now, at least. Houston, apparently, is unhappy with the offers it has gotten from the Bulls and the Knicks, which would involve the Rockets taking on too much long-term salary and not getting enough young assets in return.
Update 10 (11:50 AM): Rockets Interested Solely In Draft Pick Protection (via Berger)
As of Wednesday morning, Knicks president Donnie Walsh and Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan were still deliberating the level of protection they'll require on the 2011 and '12 first-round picks involved in their offer for Tracy McGrady. The key to the Bulls' efforts to circumvent the Knicks' proposal is recruiting a third team with extra first-round picks. One person close to the negotiations said it did not appear that Chicago was having any success on that front.
Draft-pick protection is the only issue Houston cares about in this trade, sources say. The luxury tax savings -- approximately a $7 million swing in their favor -- isn't nearly as significant an issue as getting the most favorable protection possible on the Knicks' picks.
Update 9 (11:04 AM): Hill In Deal With Rockets? (via Marc Spears)
If the New York Knicks and Houston Rockets work out an agreement for Tracy McGrady, Knicks rookie Jordan Hill expects to be in the deal, a source close to him said. The Knicks have made it clear they'll be willing to include Hill if it helps them move Jared Jeffries' contract.
Trading Hill and Jeffries would clear more than $9 million in salary-cap space, allowing the Knicks to possibly sign two max-level free agents this summer.
If the New York Knicks and Houston Rockets work out an agreement for Tracy McGrady, Knicks rookie Jordan Hill expects to be in the deal, a source close to him said. The Knicks have made it clear they'll be willing to include Hill if it helps them move Jared Jeffries' contract.
Trading Hill and Jeffries would clear more than $9 million in salary-cap space, allowing the Knicks to possibly sign two max-level free agents this summer.
A proposed trade between the Knicks and Rockets is losing steam, according to a person familiar with the talks.
"It's less likely than it was on Monday," said the source. "But you never know."
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Multiple sources claim that Walsh has no intention of trading Jordan Hill.
"Donnie is not giving up on Jordan," said one Knicks source. "He told me he's not trading him."
Update 7 (4:36 AM): Morey Getting Cold Feet? (via HoopsWorld) [... I don't normally trust HoopsWorld.]
Knicks president Donnie Walsh is willing to let go of Hill in order to unload Jeffries' contract. But Rockets GM Daryl Morey was getting cold feet in the afternoon about taking on Jeffries' two-year deal and limiting Houston's 2010 cap space, and it was thought a third team might be needed.
"I don't think that would be enough for Houston," one source said early last night. "There's no deal on the table that's acceptable to all parties."
Tuesday
Update 1 (9:55 PM): Knicks Finalizing Deal To Land McGrady (via Chris Mannix)
The New York Knicks are finalizing a deal to acquire Houston Rockets forward Tracy McGrady, an NBA source told SI.com.
The framework of the deal involves sending McGrady to New York for forward Jared Jeffries, guard Larry Hughes and forward Jordan Hill. The Knicks and Rockets have agreed to swap 2011 first round picks and the Knicks will send the Rockets their first round pick in 2012.
The only outstanding issues involve protection for the draft picks. The deal could be completed as early as tomorrow.
Update 2 (10:06 PM): Rockets May Trade McGrady Wednesday (via Mark Berman)
NBA sources told FOX 26 Sports Tuesday the Houston Rockets have narrowed their list of teams to work out a trade for guard Tracy McGrady to the New York Knicks and the Chicago Bulls.
Sources close to the talks told FOX 26 the Rockets are expected to make a decision Wednesday.
Update 3 (10:15 PM): Rockets Mull Offers (via Marc Stein)
The Houston Rockets have narrowed their long-running quest to trade Tracy McGrady to offers from the New York Knicks and Chicago Bulls and plan to choose between the offers Wednesday, according to sources with knowledge of the Rockets' thinking.
One source close to the process told ESPN.com that the Rockets, after intense talks with both teams leading up to Thursday's trading deadline, are determined to finalize a deal for McGrady and move on with their season.
The source said Tuesday night: "I expect it to happen tomorrow."
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Although the complete specifics of the Bulls' proposal could not be immediately confirmed, Chicago has multiple expiring contracts to package in a deal for McGrady's $22.5 million expiring contract. Those include longtime Rick Adelman favorite Brad Miller, Jerome James and the increasingly coveted Tyrus Thomas, who is being pursued in separate trades by several teams, including New York, San Antonio and Denver.
Update 4 (10:46 PM): Knicks, Rockets Close To McGrady Deal (via Ken Berger)
The Knicks and Rockets are in the final stages of negotiating a blockbuster trade that would send Tracy McGrady to New York, with the Bulls still in the game based on the final issue of draft-pick compensation, CBSSports.com has learned.
The Knicks would get McGrady in exchange for Jared Jeffries, Larry Hughes, Jordan Hill and draft pick considerations. The deal hinges on the level of protection the Knicks will require on a 2012 first-round pick that would go to the Rockets in the trade. The deal also would give Houston the right to swap first-round picks with the Knicks in 2011.
Update 5 (10:53 PM): Wojnarowski Twitter Feed
Bulls were gathering information on Tracy McGrady late Tuesday that suggested they were alive in the bidding with NY, a league source said.
Update 6 (11:07 PM) Randy McIlvoy Twitter Feed
A good source of mine has just informed me , Tracy McGrady and his close support group are preparing for a trade to Chicago. The source says it's not a done deal but "likely" to the Bulls. Stay tuned...
Feel free to include your own updates in the comments, although beware of people who are simply quoting the sources above. Try to include new information if you can.
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Please be the Bulls....Please be the Bulls....
by ReverendRocket on Feb 16, 2010 11:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What?
Unless Noah is involved than no thanks. Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller, and Salmons instead of Hill, Jeffries, Hughes expiring and two 1st round picks swap or not. THE PICKS ARE FROM THE NY KNICKS!!! Geez. Really? Why the Bulls? Are they gonna throw in a bunch of picks and even if they do, they will be very low first rounders compared to the Knicks almost guarenteed Lottery pick. The Rockets are using the trade as a bluff.
by darwithabar on Feb 16, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Salmons isnt part of the deal....Morey told the Bulls we dont want Hinrich or Salmons
Also, Thomas and Miller both have expiring contracts along with Jerome James (who would be part of the deal to make the money work). Thats more money coming off our books than Hughes’ contract.
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by TexasHoosier on Feb 16, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Still
What are we gonna get with those expiring deals that would be better than Hill and two potential lottery picks? If they want Brad Miller, He would probably sign for hella cheap after the season. I dont see how thats a better deal than the Knicks unless Chi is coughing up some 2010 and 2012 draft picks too for us to take on Salmons.
by darwithabar on Feb 17, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
I say, DM if you have to trade, go with the Bulls...
WE NEED ROOM FOR FREE AGENCY THIS SUMMER, ROCKETS NEED A STAR CLOSER< BOSH SOUNDS REALLY.. REALLY GOOD!!!! NEED TO WINE AND DINE HIM STARTING OHHH ABOUT NOW!!!
Were not going to get Bosh man
I would love it if we could but we cant. LBJ is staying in Clevland. Bosh is going to be the best FA out there this summer if Wade and LBJ stay with their teams. That means he is going to get a maz contract and we dont have it.
by darwithabar on Feb 17, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Oh my, yes.
This thread is like a slow IV drip of sweet, sweet morphine.
Thank you thank you thank you.
This is called:
Homework and Journalism Paper < McGrady Trade News that probably won’t happen til tomorrow.
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by Tom Martin on Feb 16, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I second the Bulls hopes RevRocket
This whole thing seems pretty crazy. Reading one minute that the Bulls are the favorite and the next minute reading the Knicks are the favorite, but I guess it makes sense because it is T-Mac.
My thoughts on each trade:
Knicks: Hill is the only player that matters as he supposedly has great potential. If this trade happens it will allow the Knicks to possibly sign 2 max free agents (LeBron and Bosh for example)which would greatly de-value the draft picks we would be receiving. Both Jeffries and Hill are signed through next season which will handcuff us this summer.
Bulls: Miller would be a huge upgrade over Hayes and a good backup for Yao if we are choose to resign him this summer. Thomas is a shot blocker and athletic forward who will help our interior defense for the rest of the season. The Rockets have told the Bulls no to Hinrich and Salmons. Miller, Thomas, and Jerome James are all in contract years which will help us a lot this summer.
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The Knicks arent getting LBJ or Wade
Bosh doesnt even improve their team to the point that thpse picks would be worthless. They will probably get Boozer and someone smaller. LBJ isnt gonna leave CLE after they win the East or the NBA championship this year. Jordan Hill has a chance to be as good as Thomas for cheaper and Jeffries gives us a solid defender down low, He is pretty much Hayes in a taller body.
by darwithabar on Feb 17, 2010 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Brilliant Idea
What if the Rockets did the Knicks trade and took Jared Jeffries and Larry Hughes. Everyone believes this will hurt the Rockets in the great FA signings of the summer of 2010. I believe this is false.
Before you all begin to think idiot. HERE IS MY SOLUTION! Send the team to a trip in Las Vegas. Proceed to allow Hughes and Jeffries to gamble, while the rest of the team does not. Allow them to accumulate massive debts, then return home to Houston. Plant guns in the lockers of Jeffries and Hughes. Let the trouble ensue.
This would free up a ton of money for free agent signings. I think I may be the next Daryl Morey
by T-Mackin on Feb 16, 2010 11:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
wouldnt matter
The Bulls trade brings more off our books anyway, but we still wont have enough money to sign a max free agent either way.
I like the way youre thinkin though
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by TexasHoosier on Feb 16, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see much value in the Bulls trade...
Unless there are picks involved, Miller, James and Thomas are all expiring contracts and we have no way of retaining them if they want to walk away. I really don’t see the Rockets holding onto Miller after the year and James is also gone. If Thomas resigned here that could be nice, but Im not counting on it. So what would be the difference if we just held onto TMac and let him expire? That is considering we didn’t swing another trade once we acquire the Bulls’ players. It seems like the Knicks trade gives the Rockets’ more pieces to work with in the next couple years with the draft picks, Hill and Jeffries’ expiring contract next year.
Agreed
Anyone that wants the Bulls trade is crazy IMO. Werent not getting Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Gay, or even Johnson. We wont have the cash. It isnt about whether they would come here, its about the lack of funds. Also, Would you rather have Thomas that much more than Landry or Scola. I dont think so. Thomas would probably cost more to retain. No thanks.
by darwithabar on Feb 17, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
I can't believe it's come to this
We’re arguing over which trade we want to happen more. A trade with the Bulls and a trade with the Liberty Knicks. The freaking Bulls and Knicks. Have we set our hopes THAT low? Over the past few weeks I’ve noticed a steady decline In the quality of trade rumors/ideas. First there were the few random Lebron or Wade Free agent signings. Then there was the Joe Johnson free agent signing. Then Bosh trade, Iggy/Dalembert trade, and Caron/Haywood trade. Now we’re reduced to Tyrus Thomas/etc. and Jordan Hill/possible and I mean possible lottery picks. C’mon Rockets fans. By the way, this loss to Utah hurt me bad, but at least Ariza gave Okur a nice parting gift.
Well
First there were the few random Lebron or Wade Free agent signings. Then there was the Joe Johnson free agent signing. Then Bosh trade, Iggy/Dalembert trade, and Caron/Haywood trade. Now we’re reduced to Tyrus Thomas/etc. and Jordan Hill/possible and I mean possible lottery picks.
1. LeBron/Wade was never happening. Don’t listen to Richard Justice.
2. Bosh wasn’t going to happen a long time ago, and that was Toronto’s decision, not our failure.
3. Iggy/Dalembert was going to bring a ton of money and too much commitment to Iggy due to his insane contract.
4. I wanted the Caron/Haywood deal, but Washington liked Dallas’ offer much more. Either that, or Morey decided to go with a youth movement.
5. You act like Jordan Hill and draft picks is a bad thing.
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I want whatever deal ties up our salary structure the least, while offering draft picks.
Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.
Do we ever?
1. LeBron/Wade was never happening. Don’t listen to Richard Justice.
Richard Justice is like the sticky mucus around your mouth in the morning – you know how it got there, you know why it is there, yet it is so icky you wish it would stop writing for the Houston Chronicle.
Iggy doesn’t have an insane contract and a sixers beat reporter indicates that the rockets offered T-Mac and Budginer for said Iguodala/Dalembert package
And the sixers said no
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't agree more...
the fact that we’re dealing with either of these teams is kinda depressing. To me Tyrus Thomas is the only player who I see adding any significant value. Brad Miller second. But the players the Knicks are offering are just laughable. Hill may be good…but if he can’t crack the Knicks lineup, and was a top 10 pick, I’m just not sold on his upside.
If the CHI deal gives us more money to play with as well as putting the whole T-Mac scenario to bed…let the deal go down.
by ReverendRocket on Feb 17, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
deal w/ the knicks!
hill has upside to him.. which none of the bulls players have.. maybe thomas, but there is a reason hes been w/ the bulls this long and has only 1 game to show for hisself (playoff game vs. celtics last year)
plus your gm drafts well.. the knicks picks can become v usefull, especialy since the rockets arent a true “contending” team right now
To me
doing a deal tomorrow means Morey gets a day to plan / spend time on the phone with other teams working out another deal. Houston may have a significantly different lineup by late Thursday afternoon.
Personally, I like the Chicago deal more because it gives us a quick patch for Scola / someone who we could pay less this summer if we like him (TT). I think TT as Dwyer said on BDL, just needs a change of coaching and scenery, and who better to coach him than Adelman and Sikma? Plus, Brad Miller is getting up there in age, and might be willing to sign for a much, much cheaper deal inasmuch as he knows he’s currently overpaid.
PS does anyone think a package of Scola, Hayes (both these guys are replaceable in a B. Mill and TT world, and are just as expiring), Dorsey, Budinger and Cook (to make salaries match) for just Iggy would be enough for Stefanski? Word is that he’s already gonna be unemployed come May or June, so might as well get one albatross out of the way if possible, right? Especially considering they get back some solid players in return. It’s a long shot deal, but hey, maybe Philly will call DM bright and early tomorrow morn and say OK to Iggy and Sammy for T-Mac and Budinger http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep-sixer/Trade_Scenarios.html
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
The reason it would be done tomorrow
Is because NY wants it that way.
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I like our core already
If Morey finds a good deal to trade TT or B Miller, than i am for it. Otherwise, we should just play the rest of the season out.
by inquisitiveman on Feb 17, 2010 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
I prefer Chicago cuz it gives us options this summer
considering our cap space with these expiring contracts. Rockets need to find established players this summer. I am getting tired of hearing ‘about the future’ crap. Yao probably only has 2-3 good yrs left for us to win a title with him. I don’t think we can win a title with the players that the Knicks are offering. The 1st round picks they’re throwing in are nice, but that could take 4-5 years to figure out if it worked.
by inquisitiveman on Feb 17, 2010 12:42 AM CST reply actions
Or they could be Jon Henson or Harrison Barnes
LBJ is not going to the Knicks. The 2011 pick will be a top 8 pick. Just like the last 5 or 6 years. The Bulls trade gives us absolutely nothing.
I hope you aren't talking about big money people
As has been talked about for the entire season, we have around $3-$4 million to spend this summer, less if we resign everyone currently on our roster. If you want Chicago simply for money this summer you’re barking up the wrong tree. There is no money this summer (assuming the Rockets resign everyone – Scola, Hayes, etc). It’s either now or 2012.
Say we let Scola walk and Hayes walk
And we only resign Lowry and Landry, We still dont have enough to sign Chris Bosh. You’re absolutely right. The people who want us to trade with Chi are the people who are still under the dream of LBJ coming to houston. They are the same people that wish Yao would restructure his contract. 2011 has as many good potential FA as 2010. Jeffries and Yao would come off the books and Yao would probably take less pay. Thats what we need to do. We have a better shot in 2011 FA than we do now. I agree with everything your saying Jason.
by darwithabar on Feb 17, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Rockets fan here...I'd love a deal to the Bulls
The thing that would put this deal over the top is a 1st rounder. Then Miller and Thomas can help us for the rest of the season, they would give us much needed size. Then after the season is over, we have a lot of options. I don’t want the knicks deal because of the Jeffries contract and because it wouldn’t give us any help this season. The Bulls deal helps us now and in the future.
If the Bulls would throw in a 1st round pick then It would maybe peak my intrest
But to be honest, They want us to take Salmons or Hinrich. How is that trade any different. We arent winning a title this year with Brad Miller and Hinrich.
The Knicks deal is way better
I mean come on now. I like Thomas too. But there are things that every Rockets fan needs to realize:
1) Besides Yao and battier, this team is so young
2) In acquiring Hill, we would be getting another young piece with potential that can pretty much play a bunch of minutes this season.
3) Morey is building for the future, clearly.
4) The 2 picks are genius. Sure NY gets cap room but they basically have no future if their plan doesnt work out.
5) Even if their plan does work out, we will have Jeffries expiring next year plus a top pick and a pick the year after.
6) In the Bulls deal we get nothing after this year. Miller is a decent big man but we can sign him this summer for a stick of gum and a jug of toilet water.
7) This puts us under the tax again, Les Alexander will spend the money and be over, it’s not like he cares.
and finally…
8) The rockets will be a team built around Brooks, Landy, and the gunnin runners (Hill, Ariza, Lowry, Budinger, Taylor) with Yao for a standard inside outside package. We have great young players and Hill is another one of those young players, plus our lottery pick this year and the knicks picks in ’11 and ’12.
Logan Loya
by twiceisnice9394 on Feb 17, 2010 1:22 AM CST reply actions
Bulls scenario
As a Bulls fan, the rumor just doesn’t make sense. A deal with the Rockets that doesn’t include Hinrich or Salmons seems pointless, from Chicago’s perspective. The whole point of ever other trade rumor has Hinrich or Salmons, or even Deng, going out the door to free up cap space for 2 max free agents. Trading expiring contracts for expiring contracts seems pointless. Plus, with Joakim Noah hurting, Brad Miller is the only other legit center the Bulls have. Not to mention the fact that at face value, the Knicks deal is much better. One question I have for Rockets fans… Why would they be willing to take on Jared Jeffries but not Hinrich or Salmons? Salmons has similar salary numbers. My guess would be due to the pick compensation. I think the Bulls would be more than happy to include picks in a deal, but only if Hinrich and/or Salmons go out the door. There must be more to this rumor, like a 3rd team. Otherwise, this is a smoke screen and the Knicks will get their man in the end.
The deal confuses me from a Bulls perspective as well.
Unless they think there’s about 30 games of pure magic in TMac for this season, and if so, could sign him next year.
Lots of teams will have lots of space next offseason, with the number of really major FAs lower than you might think, maybe the Bulls want to test drive McGrady and if he’s really ok, sign him?
Rose, a putatively healthy TMac, Noah, Deng, Gibson – that’s a pretty scary lineup if TMac has gotten healthy again. Maybe he’ll live at Tim Grovers? And all Chicago has given up to find out is expirings.
Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.
Furthermore look at what we will have:
PG: Brooks, Lowry (can re-sign him now)
SG: Ariza, Taylor, Budinger
SF: Battier, Ariza, Landry,Budinger, Jeffries
PF: Scola (maybe), Landry, Hill, Hayes. Jeffries
C: Yao, Andersen
—-Plus a lottery pick this year to address any need. (Monroe Georgetown maybe?)
That is a young, young team that is gonna grow together. Plus who knows what those two picks will be and what we can do with Hughes and Jeffries. It’s worth it. Take you eyes and put them toward the future, my friends. that’s where this team is headed. We went all in on yao and T-Mac and failed, now we are moving toward the future and making this team a contender for a long time with all these young guys getting huge minutes and making it happen.
Logan Loya
by twiceisnice9394 on Feb 17, 2010 1:27 AM CST reply actions
It's not at all certain we're a lottery team.
It’s trending that way though. I can’t say your roster thrills me, though, because the SG position still doesn’t give us what we need.
Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.
Intro Harrison Barnes 2011 or Jon Henson 2012
Thats the only reason I want the Knicks deal. A) we will have cap space in 2011 for a good FA and B) We have a shot at either of these two in 2011 or 2012. If the Knicks want the picks protected than this deal sucks. If they are not, They are Lotto Picks. Now that Jamison is a Cav, Lebron will resign to stay with that core.
by darwithabar on Feb 17, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
you need to remember
Houston’s said he’d be willing to spend more on free agents if it meant winning a championship .
that's no guarantee at all.
Any team can say that, but the likelihood of winning a title is SO slim. The Magic, for all they have done, haven’t won a ship. Neither has Cleveland.
And let’s be clear: one free agent such as Joe Johnson (a realistic buy) will NOT get us a championship.
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Well, I think they're certainly willing to spend if it looks like making us a contender.
We gave up a fair amount to get Artest when he was the last piece for a contender. Injuries rendered it moot, but it was a good move. I think I’d have been happier to keep the pick we shipped to Portland, Batum, if you know, we could do it over again.
Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.
Looking at the Knicks roster
I simply don’t see how they can be contemplating trading picks. Not saying they’re not actually doing it, but wow. Yes, they’re going to have a ton of cap space this summer, but if they don’t get their FAs, what are they going to do for, you know, a basketball team? The FA ploy basically has to work for NY or it gets very ugly, especially with no picks, if that’s for real.
Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.
Bulls fan point of view
I’ve been reading the commentary here and I would have to say that I don’t like a Bulls trade scenario either, from a Bulls perspective. The whole point in trying to make a deal like this would be to dump salary for next season, not to have a guy who hasn’t played all year. If Hinrich or Salmon are not part of this deal, there is no point for the Bulls to make it. Miller, James, and Thomas are technically all expiring contracts. If they are worried about Thomas taking the qualifying offer in the offseason, they have plenty of other deals on the table for him already. If this thing is serious with the Bulls, Hinrich or Salmons would have to be a part of it. Look for a 3rd team to be part of any deal between the Bulls and Rockets. That’s the only way it would seem to make sense.
Luxury-tax treshold?!
I stand behind D. Morey and his decisions he has made thus far with this franchise and he’ll be liked even more if they pull off this Knicks trade. The RIGHT to swap 2011 first-rounders AND getting their 2012 first round let’s me know he’s looking into our future…..BUT what EXACTLY are all the benefits or things we would obtain from dipping below $2.75 million of the luxury-tax line?!? That’s the only things I’m having trouble wrapping around my head….what can we do with that????
Carl Landry is my father.....I know he can do it!
by I_BLEED_ROCKETS on Feb 17, 2010 8:36 AM CST reply actions
Lux Tax
Getting under the luxury tax would not necessarily open up a ton more money for a free agent signing, but if you’re under the tax line your team is eligible for revenue sharing from the league and you don’t have to pay the extra money for the tax. The past few years, Les Alexander has signed off on paying relatively small amounts ($3-5 million) to buy draft picks. So actually, having even a little bit more spending money can let Morey do quite a lot.
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Thoughts
Hey guys, long-time reader.. first-time poster.
Entering the trade season I felt the Rockets could go 3 ways with T-mac.
1. Trade T-mac for proven talent with longer contracts from teams looking to save money/clear cap space.
This is where Igoudala/Dalembert, Butler/Haywood kept getting thrown around. But, obviously, Morey never felt this was the right move for the franchise.
IMO, Butler/Haywood would’ve been solid basketball additions, but only a short-term fix for a team looking way into the future.
2. Trade T-mac for long contracts and young talent/draft picks from teams looking to clear cap space.
This is where the NY deal fits in. I’m really hoping this deal goes through from a basketball stand point. Jeffries isn’t that bad of an albatross given his defensive skills/athleticism, and Hill plus the future picks gives us options for the future. An issue is that the NY picks may be similar if not worse than our picks for 2011/2012. Even if NY isn’t able to sign lebron/wade/bosh, they’ll still be able to get gay/amare/johnson, which pushes them at least to 6th seed in the East.
3. Trade T-mac for other expiring contracts.
This is where the Chicago deal fits in. I feared this is what Morey would do given the current state of the basketball economy. Responding to I_BLEED_ROCKETS above, getting below the luxury tax saves Alexander money.. and that’s the bottom line, sadly.
This deal is at least better than keeping t-mac ’til the end of the season, since we save some money and get serviceable players for a hopeful playoff push..
The money that Morey uses to buy draft picks doesn't come out of nowhere.
Getting out of luxury tax is very nice. Lets the org save money so they can possibly take on salary later or buy draft picks and stuff.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I can understand....
I get the Lux Tax now but when have we ever benefited from buying a pick. Does anyone know what picks we bought from another team that showed some change in our org.? I don’t think the Chicago deal is going to benefit us as a team in the Western Conf. only on the business side of things. I really hope the Knicks deal falls….future is better than expiring contracts.
Carl Landry is my father.....I know he can do it!
by I_BLEED_ROCKETS on Feb 17, 2010 10:00 AM CST reply actions
NEW STUFF FROM realgm.com
A proposed trade between the Knicks and Rockets is losing steam, according to a person familiar with the talks.
“It’s less likely than it was on Monday,” said the source. “But you never know.”
The Knicks are trying to clear as much cap space as possible for 2010.
“The plan was to get as many as we can,” Mike D’Antoni said before last night’s game against Chicago. “We want to be under the cap as far as we can go to get as much flexibility as we can get. I don’t really know what that goes into, but that’s the plan and that’s what we’re going to do. Whether we’re there now and that’s as good as we can do, then we’re there now. Whether we can open up more room, we’ll look at it. Nothing’s off the table.”
Multiple sources claim that Walsh has no intention of trading Jordan Hill.
“Donnie is not giving up on Jordan,” said one Knicks source. “He told me he’s not trading him.”
FROM: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64775/20100217/source_walsh_doesnt_intend_to_deal_hill/
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 17, 2010 10:03 AM CST reply actions
From hoopsworld.com
It’s D-Day for Tracy McGrady as the Knicks and Bulls compete for T-Mac’s services with the Rockets’ decision likely coming today, according to three sources.
Negotiations between the Knicks and Rockets over McGrady went back and forth yesterday — with early indications the Bulls were in the lead. But late last night a report from SI.com named the Knicks as frontrunners for McGrady and ready to finalize the deal today.
That deal would bring cap heaven for the Knicks, sending rookie Jordan Hill and veteran Jared Jeffries to Houston, along with Larry Hughes, and freeing an additional $9.4 million in cap space for the Knicks to sign two free agents to maximum deals this summer. Picks would also be involved, with the Knicks giving up at least their first-round pick in 2012, and the Knicks would take back Brian Cook and Joey Dorsey.
A day after the Knicks seemed on the verge of pulling off a T-Mac deal, the Rockets began mulling a serious offer from the Bulls, according to the sources.
The Chicago Tribune was reporting the Bulls are offering Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller and either John Salmons or Kirk Hinrich for McGrady.
One of the sources suggested the Rockets were playing the Bulls and Knicks off one another. Coincidentally, they faced off last night, with the Bulls rolling 118-85 at United Center.
Knicks president Donnie Walsh is willing to let go of Hill in order to unload Jeffries’ contract. But Rockets GM Daryl Morey was getting cold feet in the afternoon about taking on Jeffries’ two-year deal and limiting Houston’s 2010 cap space, and it was thought a third team might be needed.
“I don’t think that would be enough for Houston,” one source said early last night. “There’s no deal on the table that’s acceptable to all parties.”
FROM: http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20100217#STORY_24288
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 17, 2010 10:08 AM CST reply actions
now it looks like i posted the sources above after you put those updates...
were thoser updates there b4? or did u update it seeing my stories i found?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 17, 2010 10:21 AM CST reply actions
Tom
Suggestion: reverse the order of the updates so that the most recent link is at the top of the post / maybe make the jump come after 3 links. Having to scroll all the way down to find the most recent stuff is a bit tedious; ESPN’s trade stuff is set up with the most recent stuff at the top and it makes it much easier to read.
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
Knicks
The Knicks trade is garbage without Jordan Hill, Hughes and Jeffries are just salary trash thrown on us by NY.
Bulls trade is eh-okay; A thrid team would be a good option with the bulls.
We get Tyrus and trade him to Denver, Spurs etc looking for a big body and get a pick or maybe mason in return?
In DM we trust
I trust that our beloved GM, Mr. Morey AKA the Master Trade Raper, will make the best trade he can. Who’s with me here!?
i heard
that Chicago is frontrunners but NY mite deal Nate and get something back that they might give to Houston…read on hoopsworld…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 17, 2010 12:34 PM CST reply actions
Please no Hughes
When the story first broke about the Rockets/Knicks trade Al Harrington’s name was mentioned as one of the pieces. Has he been taken off the table entirely? Clearly the Rockets aren’t looking to add any permanent talent by taking one of the Knicks established players, but if they have to be stuck with an unwanted contract I’d much rather be stuck with Harrington than with Hughes. Harrington provides great energy off the bench, grabs a decent number of rebounds (all things considered), and shoots at a respectable percentage. Plus the Rockets need some help scoring on the wing. Hughes, on the other hand, simply can’t shoot.
On another note: Jared Jefferies isn’t going to receive any accolades from the league this year, but he offers the Rockets something they don’t currently have: height. Chuck Hays has been great all year long, but the man is only 6’6, and he can only do so much against bigger defenders. Jefferies is 6’11 and has long arms, giving him the ability to alter shots at a higher degree. None of our current post players offer this advantage. I’m not trying to get people to love Jefferies (I don’t even love him), I just want people to know that he’ll actually offer us a slight benefit this season.
So is Harrington out entirely? And is there any word about the Rockets consideration of the Bulls offer?
I believe that Harrington is out...
…and if that’s the case, then so should a deal with the Knicks. Like you said, Hughes simply cannot shoot. Jeffries is tall, but he’s also soft like Twinkie filling…and we already have a big softie in Andersen. Hill is totally unproven, and can’t crack the weak Knicks rotation. Plus from what I’ve read, Walsh really doesn’t want to let Hill go.
I think that it’ll be the Bulls or nothing.
by ReverendRocket on Feb 17, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Too bad
If Harrington had been included I’d be ok with the Knicks trade. We need some help on the wing, and he would have been great. If he’s out, the Bulls seem like a much better trading partner.
I watched Hill a fair amount during his college days, and although he’s pretty athletic, he doesn’t really offer anything we don’t already have: Scola and Landry are both better at the position, and Hill doesn’t have much of a mid-range jumper.
Too bad Harrington is out.
What's interesting is that Dwyer said Morey would rather have Hughes.
Apparently Daryl hates Harrington’s efficiency ratings a lot or something like that. Would prefer to have Hughes, who would be a non-factor on coming here, to someone who will come in and demand shots and stuff.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
That would make sense
Good point. Harrington has been described as a “black-hole”: ball goes in but doesn’t come back out. Help on the wing would be good, but I guess it would be just as good to sit Hughes on the bench for the rest of the season.
If we don't strike a deal by tomorrow
I’m going to be very upset. I JUST WANT SOMETHING HAPPEN.
Bad way to look at things – when you just want something to happen – you may end up disappointed
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
+1
I am not an expert on the the cap, but I would rather lose the cap room a sign + trade or getting a young guy would provide and just hold McGrady rather than do something dumb. Daryl Morey is an expert on the cap, so I will defer to him. He is the man who got us Carl Landry, right?
maybe next season..
by fire richard justice on Feb 17, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
i bet we can maybe do a three-way trade with boston and new york.
nate is going to boston so maybe the extra team can make this deal work.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
stop toying with my emotions!
all this on-again, off-again stuff with a deal involving NY is driving me crazy! It will be a relief when the deadline has passed and we’ll know, one way or another. In the meantime, I’m just gonna put my faith in Morey and hope for the best.
How does it feel
ur being ripped off by the knicks!
Good Luck With JEffries!! HAHAHAH
by halpy on Feb 17, 2010 4:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Really?
Because depending on if Hill is included / future picks / Cablevision for all of Houston / Central Park / the chicken and rice stand on 53rd and 6th / Walt Fraizer & a championship trophy I’d wager we’re on the better end of the deal here.
no kidding
that chicken and rice stand is absolutely a deal maker
Um.
You’re giving up three young players in exchange for an old, washed up dude. I’ll take Jeffries, thank you.
The Dream Shake ...on Twitter.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Sucks for TMac
If we don’t swing a deal then I’m gonna feel bad for TMac having to sit out the whole year. I mean I’m ok with not making a trade if it’s what Morey thinks is best, but TMac just has to be crushed that there’s a team that’s willing to give him all the playing time in the world and the details couldn’t get worked out. And I know a lot of people may not care at all about him, but that just blows from his POV
hmmm...
Bulls management has told John Salmons to remain at team hotel as it works to finalize a trade.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 17, 2010 5:28 PM CST reply actions
smokescreen
The Dream Shake ...on Twitter.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
im not sure hill or jefferies is really that much of a deal breaker
hill makes the deal much sweeter
i am kind of curious as to what kind of summer work dm plans to make that jefferies really kills.
but i think the biggest thing is to make sure the draft picks we get are unprotected
larry hughes, hill, jefferies switch picks in 2011 and UNPROTECTED draft pick in 2012 is absolutely an amazing deal.
if the pick is top-10 proctected or something like that im not really sure the deal is worth it but i still like it better than the chi deal
this one just seems very wierd...
rockets dont even get thomas or miller both whom they want…and the kings get slamons who i thought was traded…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 17, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
k-mart please.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 17, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
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