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Rockets Trade McGrady And Landry, Acquire Kevin Martin

Once again, Daryl Morey proves that we are all stupid for speculating.

From Wojnarowski:

The Sacramento Kings have reached an agreement in principle with the Houston Rockets on a trade that will swap Kevin Martin for Tracy McGrady, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Along with Martin, the Kings will send Sergio Rodriguez, Hilton Armstrong and Kenny Thomas to the Rockets. Joey Dorsey and Carl Landry will go to the Kings.

Okay, I took some time, and came up with a few thoughts.

1. Kevin Martin Is No Joke

I think we know how good Martin is. He's a helluva shooter, is an incredibly efficient wing, and just turned 27. This is the best single player that the Rockets could have acquired, now and in free agency. He'll be the perfect complement to Yao once he returns. Martin's only shortcomings lie in defense, where he's pretty average. Then again, this is a team featuring Trevor Ariza and Shane Battier, so we should be fine nonetheless. It's not as if we gave up any defense in the first place.

And for everyone who wanted Iguodala, not only do we get a better player in Martin, but we also do it free of a contract like Sam Dalembert's.

2. Are We Selling High On Carl Landry?

I love Carl Landry. If you hadn't noticed, he's the only person I've been writing about lately. He's finally hitting his potential. But the question remains: can he improve any further? Was he really ever going to be a legitimate second option? Probably not. But either way, he's my boy, and I hate to see him go. At the same time, I can't help but feel that Morey traded him at his peak in value.

3. The Prodigal Son Returns

Welcome back, Kenny Thomas! 

(had to give myself a laugh)

4. We Are Under The Luxury Tax Line

Hooray.

5. What Happens Next?

This is a pretty strong indicator that we will be matching whatever offer is made to Luis Scola next season. Same goes for Kyle Lowry. I don't see any major moves coming after this for quite a while.

6. The Future Is Now

With the Knicks trade, it was all about the future, all about preserving a solid team for the next five to seven years. With this trade, there's a little bit of both. Assuming Yao returns at full strength, the Rockets will be in the title hunt in 2011, and will be able to boast Martin for many years after.

Overall... I'm happy. Getting over Landry and even Dorsey will take time, but I like this. Nice move by Morey to look at all of the available options.

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All i know is

Carl you will be missed. Thank you for your relentless heart and hustle.

Its so damn hot... milk was a bad choice

by Golden Ratio on Feb 18, 2010 1:06 AM CST reply actions  

I dont know what to think/say…

Man i’ll mis landry

by Matthew T on Feb 18, 2010 1:06 AM CST reply actions  

fucking damn man, why carl!

by dacodeman on Feb 18, 2010 1:06 AM CST reply actions  

I agree.

Not that Landry’s better than Martin, but couldn’t we have swung a deal where we kept him?

by Moondebah on Feb 18, 2010 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Had to be Carl

You guys will love Kevin. Sad to see our home-baked star go, but we have Reke now. Let me repeat, you guys will love Kevin. Easy 20 points that he gets seamlessly. Battier and Ariza might need to kick his ass to get him to play some D, but your scoring woes should be taken care of. For a little while.

Now I don’t know anything about Landry except that he is short yet somehow gets 16 ppg. Was he worth it? I doubt T-Mac puts on purple at all, so Landry is the prize here.

by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 1:11 AM CST reply actions  

Definitly

He averaged 16 as a 6th man. He will easily give you Martin’s points back. Im Pretty Pissed. I know we have Scola but still.

by darwithabar on Feb 18, 2010 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I firmly believe Landry will be an All-Star at some point. I’m not sure what to think about this but you guys didn’t get a bad deal, that’s for sure.

by OremLK on Feb 18, 2010 1:32 AM CST up reply actions  

^This.

If he’s given the minutes, Landry will definitely prove himself.

by Jordann on Feb 18, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Carl Landry's advanced stats are in the top 20-30 players in the league, despite not starting.

That should tell you everything you need to know. His true shooting percentage for his career would lead all active players if he had enough stats.

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Landry? Landry? I wanna cry.

by VBG on Feb 18, 2010 1:16 AM CST reply actions  

Go on ahead man.

Im silently crying at work.

by Jordann on Feb 18, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

im loudly crying at work

and yes, its very awkward

Its so damn hot... milk was a bad choice

by Golden Ratio on Feb 18, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Fantasy

I have Landry Ariza Battier and Lowry all on my fantasy team. I wonder if Kevin Martin will prevent the first 3 from getting in as many shots and Landry will get as many shots in Sactown

by PrinceOfThePalace on Feb 18, 2010 1:17 AM CST reply actions  

He is

a warrior, you won’t be disappointed with Carl….it sucks to see him go.

"You hittin’ the wrong person. Don’t you know you’re hitting Ron Artest?"-

by Clutch_cityDrew34 on Feb 18, 2010 1:17 AM CST reply actions  

Scola or Landry

Sooner or later we were going to let one go

by KingLuis on Feb 18, 2010 1:19 AM CST reply actions  

As a Jazz fan

I am gutted that they didn’t find a way to trade for Martin. Seriously the guy is a gun and will make Houston a MUCH more dangerous team!

by sherbs on Feb 18, 2010 1:20 AM CST reply actions  

f--k Utah

We would never trade a good guy like Carl to the Jazz.

by grungedave on Feb 18, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Not unless he stopped being 7 foot 205

I don’t believe he’s 235 for a second

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 1:26 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Coming from a Hornet’s fan, Hilton is worse than the gunk on your shoe you managed to pick up when walking through a crack house.

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by RedHopeful on Feb 18, 2010 1:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, I knew he was just a filler and isnt very good

I just didnt know if he could play defense. I think you guys anwsered that:)

by darwithabar on Feb 18, 2010 1:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Long time Rockets fan...first time poster but...

I hate to see Landry leave this team…I’d much rather have swung that deal with the Knicks and picked up two of their first round picks but I guess I feel a little better seeing Martin coming the other way

by b4mv01 on Feb 18, 2010 1:23 AM CST reply actions  

landry was a beast

but realistically we weren’t going to resign him. He is going to get big money from some team when his contract expires. he would have left this year if other teams didnt have concerns about his knees and offer him a restricted free agent contract. as much as i hate to see him go, scola was made for this system and martin will flourish once again with adelman

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:24 AM CST reply actions  

I think this trade helps us quite a bit this year. Should be interesting and fun.

by VBG on Feb 18, 2010 1:25 AM CST reply actions  

I'm curious about Serio Rodriguez and Hilton Armstrong, both are young...

I Armstrong is 6’11’’ and we need the size, Sergio is a G (European,Spanish) which leads me to believe he is smart and can shoot, as most Spanish guards can…
Thomas was just a salary matcher, I think…but could help….

by sarppeva on Feb 18, 2010 1:27 AM CST reply actions  

Hilton "Little" Armstrong

The real question is if he can waive a towel better than he plays. I don’t see him getting off the bench much, and this is good. He’s one of these athletic lanky guys who seems happy enough to make a living sitting on a bench. I don’t mind players with limitations, but when that limitation is toughness and hustle, ugh. Who knows, maybe he has hidden depths; I’ve only seen him play a half-dozen times.

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by FreeBallinBlog on Feb 18, 2010 1:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Love the idea of the trade and love Kevin Martin

Hate having to give up Carl Landry, but you have to give up something to get something typically.

Carl, you’ll be missed man, but I’m glad your going to get a starting job.

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 1:27 AM CST reply actions  

You guys are REALLY underrating Sergio. He was the prize of the Blazers a few years ago, and is an amazing playmaker… Sergio will be a quality NBA player if he ever learns to play defense.

Per 36-minutes, his stats are MUCH better than Lowry.

by PlayoffsOrBust on Feb 18, 2010 1:27 AM CST reply actions  

Sergio

Sources say if the Knicks get involved, Sergio is going to them with McGrady.

by CMurph on Feb 18, 2010 1:32 AM CST up reply actions  

^This

I could care less about Sergio.

And with the possibility of extra draft picks? Heck yeah. Nice knowing ya Sergio.

by Jordann on Feb 18, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Sergio better than Hill + Jeffries + draft picks. I don’t want Jeffries on the books, and I like what I see from Sergio more than what Hill has shown so far.

by OremLK on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

anytime you can trade a scrub (t-whack) for a potential nba first teamer

you have to do it. as good as martin is, landry and change really isnt alot to give up. people forget how good he is since he was hurt and was not meshing with tyreke

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:28 AM CST reply actions  

potential 1st teamer?

Lets be honest about Kevins value. He can drop 50 in any given game, but he is never making NBA 1st team.

by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 1:30 AM CST up reply actions  

well, he is a little older than i thought

but with Yao coming back next year, and the drive and kick ability of brooks and lowry i really wouldnt rule it out. Obviously im being optimistic but he is a fantastic catch and shoot player. with the nucleus this gives us i certainly think its a possibility. maybe its more about the talent i think we have around him than his overall talent.

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:33 AM CST up reply actions  

He won't have to create nearly as much as a Rocket and he's a great spot shooter

Martin will be damn good in the Rockets offense

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 1:40 AM CST up reply actions  

my point exactly

with the slashers we have and his spot up ability, not to mention yao commanding double teams when he comes back its a great image

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:41 AM CST up reply actions  

If he wasn't meshing with Tyreke...

…this worries me pairing him with AB (who is by no means an assist machine).

by ReverendRocket on Feb 18, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Knicks Involved...?

What are the chances we could still pry away some of the Knicks previously mentioned assets if this becomes a 3 way deal? At this point I’d settle for Hill and one pick.

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by SlatonShuffle on Feb 18, 2010 1:29 AM CST reply actions  

Was just talking to someone and

They thought the Knicks were still a real possibilty

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

As a third team that is

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

as a third team

to get tmac and sergio they arent going to trade hill. if they were we would have made the deal yesterday

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:33 AM CST up reply actions  

yea exactly

sounded to me like the only thing holding the knick deal up was that they wouldnt include hill

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm interested

Mostly because Bucher and other commentators are mentioning that the Knicks could get involved and that the Knicks would take back McGrady and Rodriguez, but they aren’t saying what New York is giving back and to whom.

All these boundaries - Africa, Asia, Malaysia, America - are set by men. But you don't have to look at boundaries when you are looking at a man - at the character of a man. The question is: What do you stand for? Are you a follower, or are you a leader? -Hakeem Olajuwon

by SlatonShuffle on Feb 18, 2010 1:32 AM CST reply actions  

possibly but i just dont see who we would get or want

we were rumored to have talks for anthony randolph, amare, caron butler (out), tyrus thomas. i just dont see it

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 AM CST up reply actions  

we are going to be shitty at the 5 for offense

no matter who we can get. this trade was as much for when yao comes back as it is for this year. assuming they sign or draft someone in the offseason to back him up, they wil be able to limit his minutes which means keeping him fresher. we might as well keep battier and go for it all next year

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:44 AM CST up reply actions  

David Andersen

is now going to have to quickly figure out the word: consistency.

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by RedHopeful on Feb 18, 2010 2:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Battier is way better than just a back up big man. I think Anderson does a fine job as a back up if given the minutes.

I also agree Hayes, although a great defender, really can’t be in the starting line up. I have a gut feeling Morey isn’t done with his moves, and that we just got more pieces for trading

by Mejeh on Feb 18, 2010 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Almost has to

Don’t know about Battier.
But after Scola,it’s now Kenny Thomas and nobody else. A back-up PF is a must.

by Tisbee on Feb 18, 2010 1:51 AM CST up reply actions  

cosign to this...

…he’s gonna have to pull something else off

by ReverendRocket on Feb 18, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

PF

We were thick at PF. Now what? Scola is gonna have to play major mins. Dont think we are going to get much of anything from the others thrown in. None of them play much. more moves??

by miketpi on Feb 18, 2010 1:33 AM CST reply actions  

Brian Cook

the solution to all of our problems.

by CMurph on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 AM CST reply actions  

Actually a good part

Because we didn’t have to give up all of our expiring’s

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 1:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey UofT

Catch the game tonight? :) sorry.

by darwithabar on Feb 18, 2010 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, and it sucked

I have no idea what is going on with my Horns

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

my question is whos the starting 5

martins going to start, so who goes to bench ariza? battier?

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:36 AM CST reply actions  

I wish...

…we could have left out Sergio and sent them Budinger instead. But I guess they probably wouldn’t take that.

Damn. I am going to miss Landry like hell. It looks like a fair deal, though.

by OremLK on Feb 18, 2010 1:39 AM CST reply actions  

Sergio could be fine, don't worry.

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m optimistic about Sergio, I just wish there was a way we could have sent Budinger in the deal instead of Landry.

by OremLK on Feb 18, 2010 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

You assume they would have wanted that

Landry was the only piece they cared about

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Morey=Boss

Wow. This is the best option. I live about an hour south of sacto. Trust me when I tell you that Kevin Martin is an absolute baller. The guy just has stroke, Defense needs to improve but he will be the perfect additionto this team. What was our biggest need: consider it filled. I love Landry too but Martin is worth giving up a great 6th man and bench player. Morey is an absolute boss.

Logan Loya

by twiceisnice9394 on Feb 18, 2010 1:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

to who and for whom….Battier is at 7 million…who else would fit

by miketpi on Feb 18, 2010 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe the Thunder and Krstic...both 2 years remaining on contract...

Thunder looking like a playoff team and might want a guy like Battier to stop other teams best player? They would have to send us a pick, although Krstic is atop of the wish list…

by sarppeva on Feb 18, 2010 1:47 AM CST up reply actions  

we have a couple players coming off contracts next year

and battier will be an expiring. we will be able to move him next summer after all the free agent hoopla plays out

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:49 AM CST up reply actions  

To Memphis

For an expiring and a pick. They would do it because they’re making a playoff push and that might be the last piece they need.

by OremLK on Feb 18, 2010 1:58 AM CST up reply actions  

damn my boy is gone !!!

without Landry, Rockets will stop winning, thats it !!!! I’m rooting for Nuggets from now on

by Rubby Wardama Mulyanto on Feb 18, 2010 1:44 AM CST reply actions  

Are you serious?

Well, you agree with the Trade Machine then. Dont be suh a bandwagon.

by darwithabar on Feb 18, 2010 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

well, i can’t stand anymore, been rockets fan for almost 16 years, they keep toosing stars like hot shit, robert horry, sam cassel, kenny smith, olajuwon,cuttino mobley, james posey, and now carl landry, see how many championship rockets have won since 1995 ? None !!!!

by Rubby Wardama Mulyanto on Feb 18, 2010 2:10 AM CST up reply actions  

and martin (injury prone king) will spend most his days as a rocket from bench while watching rockets being outrebounded for 10+

by Rubby Wardama Mulyanto on Feb 18, 2010 2:14 AM CST up reply actions  

You just named exactly one star

And Hakeem was DONE when he left. Not that they should have let him go, but still.

Everyone else was either a role player, a semi star or the greatest role player in NBA history (Horry of course).

And the Rockets actually GOT stars in return in some of those cases. Don’t forget that Horry and Casell brought Barkley, an actual star, Mobley brought TMac, an actual star and Landry is bringing Martin, an actual star.

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel ya...

…been a fan since ‘83, and this might be one of the worst trades we’ve done since getting Barkley. Morey has a few more hours to pull something else off…otherwise I consider this a sad day for the Rox.

by ReverendRocket on Feb 18, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Simmons earlier yesterday:
Kevin Martin (30): My favorite possibly available trade piece — great contract, proven scorer, high hoops IQ, someone who’d thrive on a veteran team that protected him defensively and ran plays for him. Right now he’s playing on a glorified pickup team with Tyreke Evans, who thinks “point guard” means “I get to dribble over midcourt.” Not gonna fly. Someone like Martin is a luxury. You pamper him. You set him screens. You hook him up on slash-and-kicks. You go to him after games and say, “Hey, what’s the best place to deliver the ball for you — chest high and a little to the right?” He could absolutely be a contender’s No. 1 scoring option like Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton once upon a time. Stay tuned.

Coincidence? pfft

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 18, 2010 1:45 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Coincidence or not, a pretty glowing report

I’ll miss Carl Landry though. A lot. And no Dorsey either. It makes me sad, even though I think Martin was the perfect piece to get.

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortuately he plays no defense tho...

Ariza and Battier won’t be able to cover his ass on the defensive end the rest of the season. So he scores 20 pts and gives up 25 to the other teams SG….and with NO ONE in our frontcourt who can block a shot anymore, our defense just got a lot worse.

by ReverendRocket on Feb 18, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

One thing that scares me...

We were pumped to see McGrady come to the Rockets in 04-05 when he was close to the same age as Martin is now, but he turned out to be as tough as wet tissue paper and was plagued with a reputation of being injury prone. Martin has already proved that he is injury prone in the last three years. It’s not very comforting to take on a scorer who gets hurt a lot.

Its as if the Rockets are my sister and McGrady was a boyfriend who cheated on them. I’m fearful Martin will do the same..

by CMurph on Feb 18, 2010 1:46 AM CST reply actions  

Martin has just had bad luck

he started getting hurt when the Kings decided to put everything on his back. And unlike with T-Mac, it is a different thing hurt each time. Not that much to worry about.

by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 1:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I love the site, and it’s a good trade… but there is simply no way Kevin Martin is better than Andre Iguodala.

#52 #10 #7

by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 1:46 AM CST reply actions  

personally,

I’m with you on this, but the price for Iggy was too high.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 18, 2010 1:47 AM CST up reply actions  

oh, definitely. Iggy is the most prolific playmaking wing of them all by AST%, and might be the best perimeter defender in the league. He’s a lot closer to Brandon Roy than I care to admit.

Martin is a nice piece, but Iggy is amazing.

#52 #10 #7

by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 1:50 AM CST up reply actions  

He's a ridiculous shooter, agreed,

but he doesn’t do much else. I love this move, but if given a choice between Iguodala and Martin, I’d pick Iguodala.

However, Martin may actually address the Rockets’ needs better next season.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 AM CST up reply actions  

next season!

exactly. with yao back i cant imagine how many open looks he will get.

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:54 AM CST up reply actions  

he’s a nice scorer, but he’s one-dimensional. When he’s really cookin’, the team ball movement can stagnate a little because he needs the ball in his hands and doesn’t really distribute.

Iguodala is a specimen that can dominate defensively, and be very good offensively as well. He is a winning type of player.

#52 #10 #7

by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 1:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Iggy

wouldn’t have fit as well as K-Mart. We’ve already got the slashing forward in Ariza and plenty of defense between him and Battier.

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by RedHopeful on Feb 18, 2010 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

My problem with Iguodala is that he's one relatively little injury away from being infective

If he loses 10% of his athleticism he’s done as a great player. I much prefer the guys that don’t rely on their athleticism as much.

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by UofTOrange on Feb 18, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

A. you’re wrong
B. do you know much about his injury history in the NBA (no – cause he doesn’t have one)

by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

A. I’m not at all, I like your proof
B. No, and having an injury history means you can’t get injured, why?

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by UofTOrange on Feb 19, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

They do different things

bottom line though, you have to outscore your opponent

by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 1:47 AM CST up reply actions  

so do i

igoudala needs the ball to thrive. martin doesnt. catch and shoot, give other players shots too

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Iggy leads all wings in passing, and Martin doesn’t pass. His game isn’t really catch-and-shoot, it’s primarily him creating for himself. He’s kinda like a poor man’s Durant, in that he scores a lot but doesn’t pass well.

#52 #10 #7

by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 1:51 AM CST up reply actions  

He's also not a great ball handler.

I’m wondering if that part of his game can improve now that he’s reunited with RA. Hope it does for his sake.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 1:52 AM CST up reply actions  

couple things

-IT’S COMPLEMENT not compliment. sorry, i’m an asshole.

-I called this trade, on this very site, early in January when kmart was heading towards returning to the Kings lineup. There were doubters, both here and in the blogosphere, but it seemed like a smart move.

-It’s sad to see Landry go, but it’s also understandable. I share Tom’s sentiment 100% – this guy is hitting his ceiling right now, and his rebounding numbers are just not enough. Plus, I kind of get the feeling his #s, as are most of this team’s currently, were inflated in a Yao-less world minus Scola and Battier.

-I am so glad I didn’t give into temptation and buy that Landry jersey and instead got the Brooks. I will surely be getting the Martin jersey later this season or this summer.

Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey

by olivarezq1 on Feb 18, 2010 1:50 AM CST reply actions  

shoot

complement. got it.

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by Tom Martin on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 AM CST up reply actions  

It's like that superbowl add with Chevy Chase -

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I just got a landry jersey...

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by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 18, 2010 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

3 things

The Dream Shake is a great blog. Two, Kevin Martin is now my favorite ex-King as part of the Rockets franchise. (Adelman is a close second.) Three, kick much ass.

Great move by Morey. Great move by Adelman, and the Rockets are a great organization. I don’t know if this deal works for them, but this is a quality move. Hope it works out well.

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'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 1:51 AM CST reply actions  

Can't decide...

If I’m more likely to get a Martin Rockets jersey or a Landry Kings jersey.

by Moondebah on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to buy a Rockets Martin jersey when I can afford it.

You can belee dat Moon.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

If Philly wasn't trading Iggy...

it doesn’t matter whether he’s better or not.

by Tisbee on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 AM CST reply actions  

Excellent point.

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Couple of things as a Kings fan

I don’t know if you trade nicknames as well, but coming from his time in Sac, Kevin has K-Mart (obviously), K$, and Speed. Good luck, and I hope yall make playoffs this year.

by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 AM CST reply actions  

SpeedRacer is my favorite

With big ups to TZ of course.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Jason Thompson

What do you think happens to his value? He has been struggling as of late but was very promising in the beginning of the year

by CMurph on Feb 18, 2010 1:58 AM CST up reply actions  

It's important that you call Joey Dorsey "The Kraken"

You’ll see why.

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Why Landry?

Is this trade finalized?
Send ’em our brickman, Ariza! not Landry

by Mr. Moves on Feb 18, 2010 1:55 AM CST reply actions  

It's about cap space and Landry.

Maybe Dorsey is helpful; probably not.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Dorsey is, right now, one of the better rebounders in the game.

He simply lacks anything resembling an NBA offensive game. But to play D, get boards and clean up trash with gorilla dunks? The Kraken is good at that.

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:27 AM CST up reply actions  

ridiculous

Xiane, you say a lot of reasonable things here, but to have any confidence that Joey Dorsey, who has played 60 minutes of NBA basketball in his life and has 1 double-digit rebounding game in his life, “one of the better rebounders in the game” is absurd.

by Metalate on Feb 18, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

i dont think ariza is so bad

he has good nights and bad nights. he has improved every year and hes taking a huge step in role from last year to this hes still learning

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 1:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Landry's ceiling?

It’s probably always a better than even bet that a 26 year old player has peaked. However, it should be noted that he has improved dramatically in his three years. After coming into the league a move-without-the-ball dunker, he’s:

- added a very good face-up game to take bigger guys off the dribble
- added a reliable 10-12 foot jumper
- after shooting FTs 71% in college and 66% his rookie year, he’s become an 80%+ guy
- according to chronicle stuff I read a ways back, after nagging knee injuries in college (all those predraft reports called him a below-the-rim guy) he rehabbed like crazy and added 4" to his vertical leap – which made him a dunking machine.

The Rockets made a good deal here but considering not just the improvements Landry made, but that they are largely high skill finesse improvements, it’s not unreasonable to think that he has more improvement in him. The real question is how much he can improve his defense. He seems decent at this point (I read that he worked at it all last summer) and if he can take it up another notch, that could make him a real force. I’ll sure miss him.

One thing though, remember after his rookie year the Rockets were concerned enough about his knee that they wanted to do exploratory surgery (according to Jonathan Feigan) before signing him to a new deal? It took him signing with the Bobcats to get them to back off this demand. So who knows, maybe that’s something else they considered, in terms of selling high.

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by FreeBallinBlog on Feb 18, 2010 2:01 AM CST reply actions  

No doubt he's improved

I just don’t know how much more he can improve offensively. Perhaps he’ll turn his jumper into an automatic weapon like David West. He does need to become a better defensive rebounder, and needs to work on his post defense a little.

Even if he does become significantly better, Martin was the best available player that will be on the trade market for quite some time. This was great timing from Daryl.

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by Tom Martin on Feb 18, 2010 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

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by RedHopeful on Feb 18, 2010 2:05 AM CST up reply actions  

As a T-Mac fan, I have a great excuse to watch more Tyreke.

We still have Cook.

by VBG on Feb 18, 2010 2:01 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Smart trade

All right lets clear this trade up for the Rockets- A superb stroke of brilliance by Morey.
Rockets get a 26 yr old SG who averages 20 PPG and a backup, backup PG (Sergio), a temporary backup C in Armstrong and Kenny Thomas (the salary dump). Yes, we gave away a badass PF in Carl Landry but he was going to be a free agent looking for money anyways. Joey Dorsey never stepped up and since Kev Mart makes only 10 mil, look for the Rox to resign Scola and Lowry by dumping the Sergios, Thomas’s and Armstrongs. Finally, we are officially under the luxury tax so no money problems. All in all, a fantastic deal. Could have been better if we got J. Thompson or a productive big man but can’t ask for 2 much.

The Kings, on the other hand, hope T-Mac buys some fans with his fat contract. Landry can only play for so long under a crappy contract. Evans is their only light of hope but it would be fun to see T-Mac hog shots on a losing team… GL Landry, just holdout for this year.

Go Rockets! We might not be title contenders this year, but nxt yr Yao and K23 can make it work… barring any injuries. Since T-Mac didnt play in the first place, we traded Landry for K23 and some free money.

by Syke on Feb 18, 2010 2:04 AM CST reply actions  

we arent keeping mcgrady

also, good trade for both teams. Kings dont have a problem with fans either

by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 2:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The Kings just absolutely nailed a draft and have a very promising team.

Adding Carl Landry to that mix makes it that much scarier. Tyreke, Omri and Landry are a fairly scary scoring trio.

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Is Kenny Thomas any good, now?

I know he was thrown in to financially balance out the trade, but can he still contribute? I haven’t really paid attention to him or Hilton, so I don’t really know what they can bring to the table. That’s why I’m kind of expecting another trade to happen before the end of the deadline. I’m happy with KMart and Sergio, but I’m not particularly fond of the other two especially for Landry, a proven scorer. I was expecting draft picks. If not, I was hoping Hawes would at least be part of the trade.

by Mejeh on Feb 18, 2010 2:14 AM CST reply actions  

K9EC

Kenny Thomas’ Expiring Contract. When he was younger, he played a little like Landry

by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 2:17 AM CST up reply actions  

scola, lowry, hayes, cook

all come off the books next year. assume we resign scola and lowry we have 2 off the books plus battiers expiring in case anything comes up

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:24 AM CST reply actions  

is anyone still here?

i was up playing the nba trade deadline drinking game. drink every time a possible trade is mentioned or new details emerge. obviously im trashed.

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:28 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

You, sir.

Have gained a lifetime membership pass. I don’t know what it is or what it does, but just be grateful that you won.

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by Tom Martin on Feb 18, 2010 2:29 AM CST up reply actions  

i feel priveliged

and thats not just my buddy jose talking

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:32 AM CST up reply actions  

will this move send ariza or battier to the bench?

is there another deal in the works for one of those two?

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by ignign*kt on Feb 18, 2010 2:31 AM CST reply actions  

will this move send ariza or battier to the bench?

I’d imagine that Battier will go to the bench, if for no other reason than the Rockets likely want to see how Ariza plays with Martin. Also, the Rockets seem pretty committed to giving Ariza as much time as possible.

is there another deal in the works for one of those two?

If there’s a deal for either of them it’s probably for Battier, but I can’t really see either going down.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 18, 2010 2:38 AM CST up reply actions  

thanks

for the insight

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by ignign*kt on Feb 18, 2010 2:52 AM CST up reply actions  

The ONLY thing good bout this trade is Martin can shoot.

EVERYTHING else sucks!! What happened to the future & all that talk??!! Martin better not end up being Tmac v. 2 with injuries & Landrys potential is through the roof! Good thing is all are EC’s except Martin (4 year). Well this proves one thing, Morey’s gonna make a play for a big time PF in the offseason no matter how far over the cap we go cause we have our 2 guard now AS LONG AS HE STAYS HEALTHY!! But now we have a NEED a PF cause Scola can’t do it alone. Like I tweeted, Bosh better be on his way to Houston in the summer!! Our back up PF is non existent now!

by mangelq75 on Feb 18, 2010 2:33 AM CST reply actions  

The ONLY thing good bout this trade is Martin can shoot.

Well, it’s too bad that’s not part of basketball or anything. Holy fuck did Morey get screwed on this one, amirite?


& Landrys potential is through the roof!

Fun fact: Landry is only seven months younger than Martin.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 18, 2010 2:36 AM CST up reply actions  

no one really

but everyone is impying landry has a huge ceiling and ignoring martin. just stating a fact.

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Its more Martins injuries than martin himself,

I like Martin alot but we need a back up PF now hopefully thats Hill if it becomes a 3 way trade with the Knicks.

by mangelq75 on Feb 18, 2010 2:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree too....

but I wouldn’t hold my breath on our getting Bosh. A lot of teams are going to be offering him a lot of $$. If Amare doesn’t get traded, you think he might be another consideration? What other big time PFs are out there this summer?

by ReverendRocket on Feb 18, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Some reports say that Knicks still in talks with Kings & Rox for a deal...

The Kings & Rox trade will go down in case NY can’t bring the goods…So it seems T-Mac might still land in NY and we may still get Hill from NY…

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4923777

by sarppeva on Feb 18, 2010 2:34 AM CST reply actions  

if we could somehow pull jordan hill also

i wouldnt care about gettin larry hughes contract. plus the 2 first rounders!? seems unlikely to me, but i can hope

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:38 AM CST up reply actions  

true true

if we could get jordan hill and 2 first rounders, who cares? i dunno how good hill is but with him and the picks that would be more than worth it. the knicks must really think they have a shot for lebron to just trash their first rounder from this year.

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:40 AM CST up reply actions  

if we could get jordan hill and 2 first rounders, who cares?

The Rockets’ cap space, presumably. Things don’t look quite as great when we’re unable to sign anyone beyond the MLE and half to pay the luxury tax to keep Scola and/or Lowry.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 18, 2010 2:43 AM CST up reply actions  

but if jefferies comes off the books next year

doesnt he? then it wouldnt matter. les has proved he will spend money to win. he would match lowry and scola offers presumably then with hill and scola assuming hills not crap we would be set. unless bosh truly WANTS to be here in houston.

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:45 AM CST up reply actions  

but if jefferies comes off the books next year

Which he doesn’t.

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 18, 2010 2:46 AM CST up reply actions  

how many years does he have left?

i guess morey would decide if he thinks hill is that good to not chase bosh, plus the first rounders. hard choice.

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:48 AM CST up reply actions  

unless you mean at the end of 2011

But, still, I’d personally like to add something greater than “New Contract for Scola” in free agency, because I’d like to compete next season..

by Only_A_Lad on Feb 18, 2010 2:48 AM CST up reply actions  

definitely

if we take jefferies we cant chase bosh. morey would essentially be choosing hill and the picks over the chance to get bosh. jefferies comes off the books year after next, which would make him and battier easier to trade. if hill turns out to be decent plus the picks morey could decide its better for the future with those 3 potential playes rather than chasing bosh who we dont know where he wantsto go

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 AM CST up reply actions  

To get someone as good as KMart from a deal that looked like it was dying or dead, DM! Thank you!

Thank you, Carl! I think DM held out as long as he could not to break up our rotation, but it’s a high assessment of your play and who you are that you are being traded for KMart. Keep playing your heart out. We’ll sure miss you …

by RoxBeliever on Feb 18, 2010 2:42 AM CST reply actions  

I have no desire to acquire Hill from NY if it means taking on Jeffries contract...

I’d rather just settle with the Kings’ trade directly…Jeffries contract runs through 2011 and will keep us from doing anything in the 2010 offseason….

by sarppeva on Feb 18, 2010 2:52 AM CST up reply actions  

but if we assume hill can be a poor mans bosh, really poor

plus the 2 first rounders thats really not a bad choice, depending how shitty the knicks might be.

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 2:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe, but thats a risk that I wouldn't take...I like the deal with the Kings...

Yes, we lose Landry, but I really like Rodriguez….When I think that we were about to trade with the Knicks for their garbage, this is so so much better…

I like Hill and his potential, if the Knicks would trade him for T-Mac and keep Jeffries and we get no picks, I’d be ok with that….

by sarppeva on Feb 18, 2010 2:56 AM CST up reply actions  

well if the knicks get involved

we lose rodriguez. i doubt we could convince them to throw us hughes instead. i trust morey, i think if he believes we can sign bosh he wouldnt do it. if he think bosh is going to cleveland or miami then why wouldnt he do it. if we dont get bosh, we could have possibly missed out on hill and 2 first rounders. morey just has to try and predict the future. assuming hill is decent we would still be damn good next year assumin everyone is healthy then in 2011 we have 2 more contracts (battier, jefferies) come off the books

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 3:00 AM CST reply actions  

I love the deal.

I think Martin is just what the doctor ordered for this team. I think it ends up helping Trevor immensely. If we have a healthy Yao next year, it makes Martin, Yao and Scola our top 3 scoring options which allows Ariza to do what he does best. I am really amped about this deal.

by MadMartygan on Feb 18, 2010 3:06 AM CST reply actions  

uhh..

and scola? something tells me brooks is going to continue to score more than scola even with the addition of martin..perhaps BECAUSE of the addition of martin – now teams cant just lock down on aaron and get us into real trouble (a la miami mess)

by KamuiDn on Feb 18, 2010 3:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Plus we get to watch Martin shoot, funny looking shot but he CAN shoot the ball unlike Ariza (minus tonights game).

I guess it’s like someone posted here earlier we were going to lose Landry or Scola sooner or later so thanks for the hustle Landry now if i could just find Morey’s number… oh here it is… “Hey Daryl I accepted the loss of Landry & I like the move now, when’s Bosh’s plane arrive again?”

by mangelq75 on Feb 18, 2010 3:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha my bad I actually completely forgot about Brooks. Either way I think it turns Ariza back into a player that has a role he’s more suited for.

by MadMartygan on Feb 18, 2010 3:11 AM CST reply actions  

yeah

it definitely lets ariza get back more into his comfort zone while at the same time letting him be more than he was in LA..i like the balance for him

by KamuiDn on Feb 18, 2010 3:29 AM CST up reply actions  

of course we cant rule out the fact

that morey could possilbly try and sign the big Z if the wiz buy him out to try and make a run this year. i doubt it, but with morey you never know.

by TheGreatWall on Feb 18, 2010 3:14 AM CST reply actions  

Off-season

We can always try to sign Carl Landry back in the off-season for next year.

by Rob13 on Feb 18, 2010 3:26 AM CST reply actions  

Dumbest Trade EVER

WHO do we get besides Kevin Martin, No One.
Landry and dorsey were the future. the one that should be traded was cook and scola or anderson, there older and probably arent going to get better. I Like Scola BUT Landry is way better. should of tossed in battier or trevor. 2 SWEETEN THE POT.
we couldn’t even get back donte greene or even get jason thompson in the deal, HORRIBLE. NUFF SAID.

by 3LAYTHR33 on Feb 18, 2010 4:31 AM CST reply actions  

Totally disagree

The general way to judge a trade is who got the best player? Houston.

Kevin Martin is very very good at what he does, if you don’t know it by now, you haven’t been following the NBA.

Don’t get me wrong, Landry is a great scorer and a great offensive rebounder but to say hes WAY better than Scola is ridiculous (you could just as easily argue that Scola is better than Landry).

Just go over to Sactown Royalty and take a gander at the comments. They’re lamenting it as one of the worst trades ever. I wouldn’t go that far (Landry is the real deal and has a solid skill set); but Morey did pull off a great deal for Houston.

by flipasta on Feb 18, 2010 5:09 AM CST up reply actions  

We had to give up a quality guy to get a quality guy.

This is not unusual. We traded from where we had depth – two NBA quality PF – to where we had none – SG. What’s the issue?

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Scola > Landry in rebounding
Landry > Scola in strength/athleticism
Landry >= Scola in shooting touch
Scola >= Landry in post moves

Teams were focusing on Scola and limiting his moves initially. Teams then moved their focus to Landry and Landry became pretty useless.

by VBG on Feb 18, 2010 5:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree...

Scola pretty much only goes to his right…Carl has better post moves.

by suzaku on Feb 18, 2010 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I also disagree...

Scola can hold the block defensively and box out better than Landry. I’d say thats indicative of post player ‘strength’.

by flipasta on Feb 18, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

the way i looked at it, the trade involves Landry & Martin as the core players, not T-Mca nor Dorsey.

and the truth is, Kartin’s better player than Landry (only a bit more, in my opinion)…. and Rocket got to unload T-Mac. so it’s a fair deal….

I will think they’ll get rid off the other guys comes with the deal, or Cook to free up some rosters, get some young guys (Tample or WC) in the roster.

don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!

by wanderboy on Feb 18, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

if not EVER...at least since 2000

Landry > Scola definsively…has Scola ever blocked a shot? Also not sure that we got the best player in this deal. Honestly, Martin and T-Mac (even in his post injury days) seem about even to me. Both drop 20+ per game (nobody really knows what T-Mac can do now…but if history is any guide). But Sac got two bruisers to guard the paint. We got jack.

by ReverendRocket on Feb 18, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I KNEW IT!!!!!

http://www.thedreamshake.com/2010/1/13/1249516/trade-talk-addition-kmart-houston

when everybody that their crazy ideas with chris bosh and iguadala back in january, i was smelling the truth!! XD

just what i thought the rockets would need, a solid 2 guard.

but the fact that landry was traded still bothers me, i’d rather give up scola since, landry is so young and full of potential
that and the fact that we gave up on dorsey, after all the time we’ve put into him!! feels like biting into a bittersweet apple >_<

other than that, looking forward to see t-mac and evans working it in Sac-town!!!!

by swizzazn on Feb 18, 2010 5:09 AM CST reply actions  

Props to you.

I thought adding Martin would be great, didn’t know if we could.

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

heart beaking news

i cant understand why do they trade carl ! remind me when they lost robert horry ,sam cassel etc , houston we have a problem…. somehow carl will be treated better and might be an all star,

by a awaji on Feb 18, 2010 5:12 AM CST reply actions  

Well?

Is it still…“In Morey we trust”??

Im fine with this deal if it sticks how its is. If we can get something better with the Knicks involved than awesome. What say you??

by Tony13 on Feb 18, 2010 5:15 AM CST reply actions  

Well, Carl says he is fine with the deal and is looking to go down to Sacramento and giving them some life :-)

That’s Carl, a real trooper. If TMac and Joey get dealt to NY, we can still end up with someone like Jordan Hill.

by RoxBeliever on Feb 18, 2010 5:32 AM CST reply actions  

Why is Dorsey involved

Why is this a seven man trade? Did we want anyone besides Martin? Did they really want Dorsey to make this work?

by smassape on Feb 18, 2010 6:48 AM CST reply actions  

I think the Kings legitimately wanted Dorsey.

He’s worthwhile to have, as he’s shown flashes of brilliance, or at least flashes of young Ben Wallace.

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 7:30 AM CST up reply actions  

We Will Miss U Landry!

Welcome to Houston K.Martin…Make us proud!

by Bee Deezy on Feb 18, 2010 7:03 AM CST reply actions  

Trevor Ariza

with Martin starting at the 2, does this mean that Ariza’s attempts will go down?

by marroncito on Feb 18, 2010 7:49 AM CST reply actions  

I would imagine so - and his efficiency up

Significant gravitas shortfall expected in 2010.

by Xiane on Feb 18, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Getting Martin is going to space the floor

Imagine AB in the back court, Martin and Budinger on the wings, and Scola posting up. That is something we’re going to see a lot of over the rest of the season, I expect. A bad defensive four, but there will be a lot of easy baskets.

Next year, add Yao into that mix and make it even better.

by OremLK on Feb 18, 2010 8:11 AM CST reply actions  

kings - rockets - knicks

it would probably go down something like this:

rockets trade tmac to knicks
rockets trade carl landry and joey dorsey to kings
rockets get jordan hill, jared jeffries, and swap 2011 picks from knicks
rockets get kevin martin, hilton armstrong from kings

kings trade sergio rodriguez to knicks
kings trade kevin martin, hilton armstrong to rockets
kings get larry hughes from knicks
kings get carl landry and joey dorsey from rockets

knicks trade jordan hill, jared jeffries, and swap 2011 to rockets
knicks trade larry hughes to kings
knicks get tmac from rockets
knicks get sergio rodriguez from kings

this is better for all sides:

knicks end up saving 1 pick plus get sergio rodriguez (instead of joey dorsey and brian cook).

kings end up getting a somewhat serviceable SG with larry hughes versus tmac (who they were going to buy out anyways).

rockets end up with jordan hill, jared jeffries, and what will most likely be a better 2011 pick instead of unusable kenny thomas and unneeded PG sergio rodriguez.

or one option would be to have the knicks give a pick to the kings to make the trade better for the kings. the knicks would still be better off with this trade than what they were originally going to get direct from the rockets.

depth chart for rockets with this trade:

PG – brooks, lowry
SG – kmart, budinger, taylor
SF – ariza, battier
PF – scola, jeffries, hill, cook
C – hayes, anderson, armstrong, (yao)

with this, we’re two deep at every position and have a good mix of offense and defense with the starting and secondary lineups. and we’d have a lot of good young pieces in brooks, lowry, kmart, budinger, taylor, ariza, and hill.

by doubt on Feb 18, 2010 8:24 AM CST reply actions  

I'll miss Carl Landry, he's a true team player, one hell of a guy.

i’ll need a moment alone…… While Martin’s good, and the trade is a fair trade for both end. Getting rid of T-Mac will cost us some talents….. DAMN YOU! T-Mac, even not playing, and far away from Rockets as possible, and you still find a way to screw us!!! FUCK U!!!!!

You Kings fans better not bitching about this deal for taking on a deadbeat guy, because you got 2 young players that can dunk, score…………… (damn, i think i am crying now already…..)

don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!

by wanderboy on Feb 18, 2010 8:29 AM CST reply actions  

and why the hell geek Morey can't gift wrap Cook for them too???

trade him for couple free Kings seats, jerseys, free parking…. ANYTHING!!!!

don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!

by wanderboy on Feb 18, 2010 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I was gonna make this a fanpost but here my take

Landry – YOU WILL BE MISSED ALOT! I love the way you play and every person should try to play like you.

Morey – I do like the trade tho i wish landry wasn’t involved. I do think tho that you did a great job of selling landry at his peak. great job getting kmart

I think that this is not the end of the deal. I think Sergio, and T-Mac and possibly Cook and Thomas might go to NYK and we will get back probably Jeffries or Hughes with Hill and either 1 more pick or a swap of picks…

In regards to Landry, i DO rmbr hearing that landry could be a FA if he opts out of his contract which i believe he would. Maybe Morey told him that he can come back to Houston with open arms and a nice contract and that he plans on letting Scola leave and give him the open PF spot…

Who knows

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 18, 2010 8:36 AM CST reply actions  

maybe also the saddest part of the deal

is the end of the ruminations from the bench with joey dorsey…myb we can get one last one?

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 18, 2010 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

Martin’s only shortcomings lie in defense, where he’s pretty average

Being frail and injury prone isn’t a shortcoming?

by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 9:05 AM CST reply actions  

This is great news to wake up to. When I read last night that Morey had tried to get the Kings involved, I hoped I would wake up with Martin on the team. As to Landry, yes, it hurts, but his defensive rebounding problems mean you need to start him alongside a Dikembe Mutombo style rebounding machine. We don’t have that (miss u Dikembe) so I can live with trading Landry.

My personal prediction: a team with KMart (and hopefully Yao next year) doesn’t need beau-coups of offense from the PG position, but it could use defense and a good assist to turnover ratio. Lowry will be the starting PG soon.

by seanbergmanrules on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 AM CST reply actions  

CARL WILL BE MISSED FOR SURE

Hopefully K-Mart will make me miss carl less. Does anybody know, if we can afford a 2nd tier free agent??

by GueroMusic on Feb 18, 2010 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

Does this take us out of the FA market this season???

I like Martin, he’s like a young version of T-Mac

My other concern is that we are going to rely heavily on our starting 5 and our bench won’t produce as much…. Let’s get the Knicks involved!

by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Feb 18, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

Martin is more like

Rip Hamilton or Reggie Miller I think. He is a great shooter and a great scorer, but he has a significantly different skillset, mostly that he can actually hit the three, he doesn’t just think he can.

All these boundaries - Africa, Asia, Malaysia, America - are set by men. But you don't have to look at boundaries when you are looking at a man - at the character of a man. The question is: What do you stand for? Are you a follower, or are you a leader? -Hakeem Olajuwon

by SlatonShuffle on Feb 18, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Quick look at 2010

Quick look at Rockets payroll for next season is w/Hayes option taken gives @$52mil(w/a mid-range First included).
If Scola and Lowry sign for a combined $9mil,that’s about $60-61mil.
Lux Tax next yr is supposed to be around $67mil,so there’s room for a MLE and a vet/rookie min.

by Tisbee on Feb 18, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I love and will miss Carl

He is/was/should be the heart and soul of this team. He worked hard every freakin’ play. He was one of a group of great hard working guys in a league with a lot of pretty boys who can’t bother to sweat. We will miss you Carl. Hopefully Morey can work out a way to bring you back HOME, to Houston! Where you belong.

Welcome Martin….you sound great, and its not that you are not welcome but we just love Landry. Lead us to the promise land.

by John P on Feb 18, 2010 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

Martin,good and bad

Good Martin,
Wracks up FTs by the bushell
Stays in motion running off screens,helping an offense flow
Great at catch-n-shoot or standstill jumper
Sneaky fast,often open by himself for fastbreak lay-ups
Great shot,excellent scorer

Bad Martin,
Has earned reputation for being a blackhole on offense
Easily sustains injuries that put him out for a month or two
Mediocre defender
Not shown he’s got the go-to mentality,defers to stronger personalities

by Tisbee on Feb 18, 2010 9:38 AM CST reply actions  

CARL!!! NO!!!

I just bought, literally yesterday, signed, game worn, Carl Landry shoes.
The last piece of merchandise i would ever buy while Carl was a Rocket.

by ainsworth on Feb 18, 2010 9:39 AM CST reply actions  

IN MOREY I DO NOT TRUST! Anymore.......

I feel this was rushed just for the sake of trading and I feel Morey is listening too much to Adelman, and uhhhhmmm, there is also a coaching problem, not just a player problem, HOUSTON/Alexander, to give away Landry like that, what ashame, just given away, he is better than that trade and class of players, and BTW…..I agree with the comment above, like when we got Tmac, he was good and promised it all and then down hill from there, I feel the same to happen. I have a feeling this will be back to bite Morey in the A$$!!!!!!!!!!

Just a shame!

by kmbrly429 on Feb 18, 2010 9:48 AM CST reply actions  

WE KEEP FUCKING BRIAN COOK?!?!

AND AN AGING SCOLA?!?!

FOR TWO OF OUR YOUNGSTERS?!

OMGWTFBBQ

by elpizzysofresh on Feb 18, 2010 9:51 AM CST reply actions  

youngsters?

Landry is 27. That is NOT young by NBA standards.
And Dorsey was never going to play to begin with.

Scola has a style that allows him to play effectively for another 5-6 years. Landry has a style that relies on explosiveness. Which will disappear rapidly.

by grungedave on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

You kept Scola?

What? I am still confused, DM should be ashamed of himself, done, this management is done!

by kmbrly429 on Feb 18, 2010 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

I like Landry, but Scola has his advantages over the longer term.

He’s older so won’t command as large of a salary as Landry, yet his age shouldn’t be a major factor due to his generally nonathletic playstyle. Further, I would say that while Landry is probably better, Scola is probably better playing off of Yao, whom this team fundamentally revolves around.
We also actually get someone who can play SG at last, and Martin is no slouch either, while this trade also gets us under LT and gives us a third PG in the form of Rodriguez.
At any rate, losing Landry sucks, but it is way too early to call this a bad move. Wait and see what happens.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Feb 18, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes but we truly do not know how long Yao will last, too many foot problems and then there is China????

Can’t revolve your team and reality around someone you do not know if he will truly heal right, don’t get me wrong, Yao is my favorite, but there are too many factors that need to be worked out with China, to keep Yao from getting hurt again, too soon. Repeat injuries are a bitch.

by kmbrly429 on Feb 18, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

what if this was carl's career season?

i think morey is in the business of selling high, and landry was just sold HIGH.

by ainsworth on Feb 18, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

China? Wut?

Yao won’t be playing for China this summer, so I have no clue what you’re on.
And given that Yao’s surgery is to prevent him from having more foot problems, I think it is reasonable to assume that he can be better, ala Big Z. For better or for worse, the team revolves around Yao for at least one more year after this one, so you have to make the most, which Kevin Martin will do for now.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Feb 18, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Not on anything, thank you, not this summer, but China is not done with him, soon as he is back he will be playing summers again, what you think about that?

That only spikes his chances of getting hurt again and like VanGundy said too much playing and not enough rest in the off season.

by kmbrly429 on Feb 18, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

like, what? drinking vodka tonics this early in the morning?

also, people who say, omg we traded two young up and comers for old Kevin Martin.
Carl Landry is 26, 27 in september. Joey Dorsey is 26, 27 in december.
Kevin Martin is 27, 28 in feb 2011.

by ainsworth on Feb 18, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

CARL LANDRY YOU WILL BE MISSED, REALLY MISSED!!

THANKS FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE AND BECAME, YOU WORKED YOU A$$ OFF EVERY NIGHT, I STILL HOPE YOU GET THE 6TH MAN AWARD, YOU DESERVE IT!!! YOU TRULY WILL BE MISSED!!

DM YOU SUX!

by kmbrly429 on Feb 18, 2010 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

morey's love for kmart

pushed this deal.

earlier reports stated the rockets were looking to impove the future with draft picks and young talent… albeit kmart is not old.

but wheres the draft picks? what about kmart massive contract?
i know yall needed a sg..but this seemed like a bit of a reach.

i know the deal isnt sealed and nothing is exact yet..but im just saying

maybe the kings turn around and trade s-rod and tmac to the knicks for hill and jeffries and hughes..with one 1st round pick .. therefore they get landry/hill/1st round pick.. all for kmart… seems like a great move by petrie at the expense of morey’s love for kmart

by semsemma on Feb 18, 2010 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know what to say...

…except BOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I think Morey has some explaining to do on this one. We give up all of our inside muscle, and get one mediocre shooter in return. Kevin Martin does not impress me at all. I think that Budinger could do everything that Martin could do if given more minutes. Letting Landry go is just stupid. We lose in this trade y’all.

Get ready for March 3rd, when the Kings come to town. We’ll see then if we should have given up T-Mac, Landry and Dorsey (damn, it hurts just to type that) for these schmucks. I hope I’m wrong (for the team’s sake)….but I bet that there are some dissappointed Rockets today scratching their heads.

by ReverendRocket on Feb 18, 2010 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

you're like, dumb.

a rookie can do everything kevin martin can do? are you high? i’m high and this is retarded to me. kevin martin is as good a wing scorer as we were going to be able to get. the day isn’t over, we aren’t going the rest of the season without a backup PF.

by ainsworth on Feb 18, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

ainsworth is right

Landry is a great player in his own right and I loved what he did for the Rockets, however Kevin Martin has the skills to be a # 1/2 scorer for us – something that Landry was never going to be.

Much of the love for Landry has to do with his size and draft position, but in reality he’s only a year younger than Martin and less capable. I love Landry’s passion and desire to win but he can’t give us what Kevin Martin can.

"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018

by Artest4Prez on Feb 18, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

sorry, hadn't had my coffee

peace and good will towards all. heres to hoping kevin martin’s career in houston is prosperous. here is to hoping carl landry gets a HUGE contract after next season. heres to hoping Obama gets Osama! sorry kmb, i was just being a dunce.

by ainsworth on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

..FLAKE

WEAK APOLOGY…I’LL TAKE OVER AS THE TRASH TALKER

by GueroMusic on Feb 18, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

draped in sarcasm.

except i really do hope kmart has a killer rocket career and carl gets a huge mansion in beverly hills.

by ainsworth on Feb 18, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

ITS COOL, im high as well

I just thought about it and realized that Kevin Martin will now be a perennial All-Star regardless of how he plays..Good Job Kevin, go stack that Yen.

I also hope Carl reaps the rewards of killin it here in Houston

by GueroMusic on Feb 18, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

coming from someone who's high...

…I won’t take this personally. But we got a scorer who can’t D anyone up….and nothing else. We already have Budinger and Taylor which we really don’t know how good they can be. But we give up 3 actually decent players (2 of whom are still on the rise). Now we have no inside muscle and no shot blockers. I stand by my comment and hope to be proven wrong.

by ReverendRocket on Feb 18, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

there you go again..

Carl Landry blocked less than a shot per game. Carl Landry was a poor defensive player as well. Joey Dorsey has played, what, 20 minutes of NBA ball? T-Mac hasn’t seen more than 10 minutes of basketball in over a year.

I can understand people arguing against this trade, but you are just picking the arguments that have no substantial validity to them.

You are like, man it’s nice that we have this proven 20 ppg scorer now, but we have two unproven rookies who could, possibly, be 20 ppg scorers too, so why do we need this proven dude?

I mean the level of sense your argument makes is lower than Joey Dorsey’s ceiling.

And why do you just assume that Kevin Martin has reached his peak? He is EIGHT months older than Carl Landry, if he still has room to grow, so does Kev Mart.

Joey Dorsey has played one decent game in two seasons. Kevin Martin is 10 months older than him.

Like, brother, you just are wrong. So, very, wrong.

It’s OK to mourn for Landry however, I will be in black for the rest of the season. He does, though, now have the opportunity to really increase his stock if he is given a starters role and shines like the star we all saw and loved.

I’m glad I got to watch Landry’s last game as a Rocket in the Toyota Center. I am gonna miss ‘The Tooth’.

by ainsworth on Feb 18, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Morey is not a gambler

I am the first to say that Landry was probably my favorite player so far this year but you know that Morey would not do this without Adelman’s blessing. He has coached K-mart and knows the guy inside and out. Check out Martin’s stats, he is an incredible talent..my only concern is his health. Being a Rockets fan, I dont like the guys recent history. I hope Dorsey ends up a bust for my personal satisfaction. =)

I am deperately waiting for Jordan Hill and some draft picks…Get it done “Wizard”

by GueroMusic on Feb 18, 2010 10:19 AM CST reply actions  

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