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Something Worries Me About Chuck Hayes

The Rockets can't rebound. I really don't know how else to put it.

Sadly, it's not just opposing bigs who are pulling down boards over our bunch'a midgets. It's also Mike Miller (12 boards last night) and Kobe Bryant (10 the night before). Free-for-all under the rim, folks. Everyone's invited.

We might be short, but when Jermaine Taylor and Mike Harris combine for just two rebounds, as they did against Washington, they hurt more than they help. Harris may have only played five minutes, but Taylor tallied 24. Not sure how zero rebounds in that much playing time happens. Perhaps he's been watching tape of Von Wafer.

The Wizards didn't just give the Rockets fits on the boards, though. Entering the fourth quarter, all but five of their points came in the paint. Had Andray Blatche not gotten hurt, that number might have stayed there. He scored 31 points before injuring his leg.

But really? 62 points in the paint through just three quarters? Sure, the Rockets might be limited in the height and depth department, but we're talking about the Wizards here. We already know they can't shoot threes. We know that Andray Blatche is going to get the ball as often as possible. They're going to attack the paint, and occasionally hope that Mike Miller hits a few threes, and that's it. And after knowing this, 62 points happens?

I like Chuck Hayes, and so do the Rockets. He's a team captain. Nobody saw that coming when we signed him back in 2005. But as good a post defender as he is, he can't play help defense, he can't rebound, and people like Blatche are starting to figure out how to beat him on the block. Dare I say we need a change of scenery at backup center? Maybe. 

Chuck has a team option at the end of the season, and the best part about the Chuckwagon is that he's really, really cheap. Part of what handicaps Daryl Morey from simply going out and getting someone like Marcus Camby is that we gave an enormous amount of money to Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady. And now, instead of Tracy, we're paying Kevin Martin big bucks, albeit K-Mart is slightly cheaper. So, in essence, we probably get more out of Chuck than what we pay for, but given our apparent defensive rebounding and help D woes, we may need to look in another direction. Problem is, aside from utilizing the draft, there's really nothing else we can do to upgrade. He's a great backup center, but if the backup sees nearly as much playing time as the starter does (and given Yao Ming's injury history, that's entirely possible next season), then there's a severe drop-off in value.

I really don't know where I'm going with this. I just wish we could rebound. We know Scola can do that quite well, which makes it even more alarming. I really miss Yao Ming.

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Agreed: The Wagon Is Off the Trail

Chuck’s just not doing the things he normally does.

He was never a great traffic rebounder. He was more effective in the two seconds leading up to the rebound by gaining positioning to increase his chances at getting the ball. I think he needs to be paired with a big (or wing) who has some rebounding acumen and do the whole ‘go up and get the ball’ style of rebounding. Thats more Jordan Hill (or a board crashing Ariza) than Luis Scola (in the ‘get up’ department, not the acumen department).

But he’s looked especially tired recently. He’s not showing as well on picks, he’s letting his man get low post position more and more before even getting the ball, and (as Blatche showed the whole game last night except the end) he’s just getting outmuscled on the low block.

Bill Worrell mentioned that he’s playing with a knee problem, and he’d probably be sitting out if we weren’t so undermanned. Is this true? Another consideration that someone brought up earlier, is that his physical style of play is starting to catch up to him. I hope its the former, because at full effectiveness, he’s very valuable.

by flipasta on Mar 31, 2010 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I do think his knee is a problem

As for rebounding, I think Jordan Hill can become a great rebounder if he dedicates himself to it. Now, it seems like he’s only looking to board offensively so he can get the easy putbacks. That’s great, but I would rather have a Luis Scola who rebounds efficiently of defense than a guy who sometimes gets offensive rebounds.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Mar 31, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

It’s absolutely slowing him down. There were times last night in the 4th quarter where he was visibly (at least to me) hobbling. It was especially visible during that one possession where the Wiz had two offensive rebounds to extend the defense he had to play to almost three full shot clocks.

I know people don’t take my point of view as unbiased, but I probably understand more about how Chuck plays than anyone and I am usually honest about what I see. He does what it takes to win… regardless of how undersized or “un-talented” people may think he is, he plays his hardest every time out in an effort to win the game. For example, last night, we would not have beat the Wiz without him, but it seemed he was in some obvious pain by the end of the game.

Chuck hates braces or protective gear of any kind.. so you know he’s feeling it if he’s still wearing the knee brace.. I said that a couple of weeks ago on another forum.

On the other hand, I would not be at all surprised to see the Rockets pass on his option. Mainly because we are going to be over the luxury tax limit. But I could be wrong.

by Hayesfan on Mar 31, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

As I see it, the offensive boards like that are a sign of a young player.

Defensive rebounding is more a function of positioning, strength, desire and technique. Three of those things Hill lacks at this point. Scola on the other hand, is an excellent defensive rebounder, despite being largely ground-based, for the reasons I listed above.

Scola is not a great offensive rebounder (though he’s ok). Offensive rebounding is more about desire, athleticism, reflexes, size and the ability to jump quickly again after a jump. Landry was a very good offensive rebounder for those reasons, though he never became a great defensive rebounder.

I think Hill has it in him to be good at both – he could be a 20-15 player, maybe more. We got a steal.

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by Xiane on Mar 31, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

third option more like it..

maybe ya’ll are forgetting that our “backup center” has been playing starting minutes, give the dude a break.

by elpizzysofresh on Mar 31, 2010 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

The Rockets are struggling against big athletic frontcourts. This is not new.

I’m not shocked by this. Blatche is a budding star, and the other Washington bigs, let’s just say they might be as good as the guys who left. It’s their backcourt that’s a huge problem – put a PG like Brooks on that team and they’ll wreak havoc.

They are like the Kings, and the Sixers in that they are a good bad team.

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by Xiane on Mar 31, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

we may have to go over the luxury tax

if we wanna decent back-up 4 yao. either the draft or Marcus Camby

by batman713 on Mar 31, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Chuck has a knee problem, plain and simple.

It could be a cartilage problem or he could have torn a ligament completely, neither would require immediate attention.

by jase3217 on Mar 31, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

So, in that same aspect

What good is David Andersen for the team? and might DM be looking to send him away within the next year?

by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Mar 31, 2010 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope we keep BDO (the Big Down Under)

I wouldn’t guess his trade value to be too high right now, and I think he’s been rapidly improving as he gets used to the game. And then theres the infallible rule to roster building in the NBA: You can never have too many good bigs.

Speaking of Australia. How good is Andrew Bogut? He’s a solid defensive anchor to one of the better defensive teams in the NBA. Didn’t see that coming.

by flipasta on Mar 31, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Next yr

It will prob be Yao and Scola,w/Andersen and Hill and w/Hayes as defensive specialist and whoever the team drafts being developed.

by Tisbee on Mar 31, 2010 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

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