Indicators for the Impending Blockbuster Deal

kudos on this 1st post its wonderful….ok down 2 business
I went with option 1 because you can never underestimate depth in this league. remember when dallas traded for Kidd? they really haven’t done anything since and their staple used to always be their depth. I would propose a minor trade for future assets to set ourselves up for the next 10 years. but at the end of the day Morey Knows Best

Though your trade will not work. Reason why: Jared Jeffries is in it. His contract won’t be very appealing. But if we got Hedo in that trade then I think we can put in Jeffries. I think a realistic trade would be:

HOU gets: Chris Bosh

TOR gets: Jordan Hill, Trevor Ariza, and maybe a draft pick.

Reason I put Ariza in there instead of Battier is because I think Morey is loyal to his main players, especially our team captain(Battier).

But then again Morey can shock us like he did with the Landry trade. I think Morey is just as loyal to Battier as he is/was to Landry. So I guess we could maybe throw in Battier instead, but his age makes him unattractive and where Ariza’s does. Toronto gets a big man with a ton of upside in return, an elite perimeter defender and good spot up shooter in Ariza, and perhaps one of the NYK first round picks we got(or the first rounder in the 2010 draft).

All in all, I would not mind giving up Battier, Ariza or Hill. We get an elite PF who is a premier scorer at his position and an excellent rebounder. Plus, he is still only 26 or 27, which is still fairly young.

So I give this trade idea the OK. Fire away Morey.

Assuming he picks up his player option. I thibnk he’s a guy who’s versataile enough to play the 4, when Yao’s on the floor. Or play the 5 with Yao on the bench. And you might be able to get the deal done with some combination of, Jeffries/Battier, and draft picks.

Like 13 million dollars big IIRC. So you have to come up with salary somewhere.

I like your logic, but I’ve been more inclined to ‘stock up’ on good bigs due to the experiences we’ve had with injuries, not to mention the injury woes of other teams’ bigs.

I’m curious as to why you think hashing out a Bosh trade and finding a backup big man would be mutually exclusive?

Good points. Even Lowry in the offseason said he wanted to be a starter somewhere. It’s going to be hard to get him what he wants while allowing the others in the backcourt to get their PT, too. However, trading Battier or Ariza would really hurt our backcourt. A five man rotation (Brooks, Lowry, Bud, Ariza/Battier, Martin) isn’t enough bodies, and I’m not sure JT is ready.
 
The big question really is whether Morey is willing to deal Hill. I think he understands the kid’s upside better than anyone else. I do know he’ll make the smart move, though.

I’d like to throw something in the mix:

It’s better to have a roster that has players capable of stepping up their minutes, and usage productively, than have one that has more built in limits.

Also, the Rockets have a great deal of player flexibility – there are different guys who do different things. You might lose some of that as well.

That is, while it looks more efficient to move several guys for one star, if that’s possible, the question becomes, how do you deal with injury, as it is like that your bench is going to get weaker overall if there is a trade.

if the Rockets draft a rookie big man, as I expect they will, and sign maybe another big man, or as I’d prefer, a big combo guard, do we need to make a trade? Maybe so, but my sense, informed by nothing, is that Bosh isn’t headed this way.

Trade for a wing, as I mentioned in my other post. Luis Scola coming off the bench if a waste of his talents and an inefficient use of money.

I think this summarizes the proposed trades to snag Chris Bosh. I don’t believe adding Bosh will do anything good for us when you consider what we’d have to give up. I don’t want us mortgaging our future because we want Chris Bosh to pair with Yao. He’d be nice to hold on to but I’m not going to sacrifice Hill, picks, Ariza, and Battier/Jeffries over him. Relegating Scola to the bench is spitting in the face of a man that can give you just as much production as you get out of Bosh.

Consider this:

The reason Scola is as effective as he is at his age is that he doesn’t play outside of himself. He’s preserved his body and conditioned it well and plays smart basketball. I really don’t think his window will close as fast as we generally see superstars close because Scola relies in his arsenal of smart moves, jump shots, and position defense to be effective. Yes, he has several years on Bosh but he’s in the system, can carry the Rockets if need be, and is a remarkable 4. Rear up Hill behind Yao and Scola and within the next two years I think we’ll see a beast emerge.

Our roster is pretty stacked as it is when you’re adding Yao back into the mix. Add in our Mid Level Exception and lottery draft pick, why package up rotation playerS (Please, key in on the S in that word) for Bosh? We’d throw out players who get legitimate time, contribute well, and draft picks for Bosh. I don’t like the idea of getting fleeced like that. I’m not a fan of the idea of pursuing Al Jefferson but I’d take it in a heartbeat over the Chris Bosh proposals.

I think more fans need to look at the facts of things and see just how much the Rockets have sitting in their favor and realize a trade deadline deal is the best we should look at. Playing time won’t be a huge problem considering all our bigs can play 4/5, I don’t want to mortgage our defense and youth just for Chris Bosh to sell tickets and contribute a bit. I mean Hell, just consider the fact that THIS is our starting line up if we retain free agents:

Aaron Brooks – 19PPG last season
Kevin Martin – 20PPG Career
Trevor Ariza – 15PPG (Right?) last season, became remarkably efficient in the second half of the year, can only improve.
Luis Scola – Capable of 20+ PPG on a given night, has barely ever missed a game, great rebounder, and still has at least 3 years left in him, same time left on Martin’s contract and Yao’s window of effectiveness.
Yao Ming – Enough said.

Then consider further development out of our young players. I think too often fans forget the lessons of greats like Red Auerbach. You take your established players, rear up young players behind them so that you can rotate them in when your old players lose their effectiveness, sell high as your established players age. Why follow the modern Celtic incarnation in mortgaging your youth for big ticket names that may only net you 2-3 years of success tops? Yea, it got them a ring, but Red’s methods got them a legacy of greatness.

But, I understand the fascination, the city is championship starved and fans are enamored with stars rather than the patient approach to keeping yourself in contention for years to come. This team is sitting pretty, I wouldn’t break the bank because I got greedy. I trust Morey won’t pull the trigger on a major deal that will hamstring us (Plus, Toronto wants OUT of Turkgolu bad, they’d try to pawn him off on us).

I know we have been over this before, but that was when we thought the salary cap would be around $50 mil. Now that we know the cap is around $56 mil is it possible for us to straight up sign Chris Bosh?? Morey has said he is going after a top 5 free agent which makes me think we do have the money and are willing to pay the luxury tax.

I say we sign Bosh and be done. Battier is losing it because of his age and injuries and I think Ariza and Budinger will be able to replace him. I dont think Yao should get near 30+ minutes per game in the regular season which will allow Bosh and Scola to play together and get their chemistry down. With Battier playing less and Yao getting around 20-25 min a game there will be enough minutes to go around between Brooks, Lowry, Martin, Budinger, Ariza, Battier, Scola, Bosh, Hill, Hayes, Andersen, Jeffries.