A Note On Houston's "Need vs. Talent" Debate
In reading the latest Jonathan Feigen blog entry, I came across an interesting comment (and subsequent response from Mr. Feigen). Here's what we've got (emphasis mine):
Jonathan,
Do you really see the Rockets selecting another wing player as a possibility? I guess this comes back to the need vs. best player available debate, but we have so many wings. That said, I'd love to see Gordon Hayward succeed as a Rocket. What do you think of Hayward's chances in the NBA/as a Rocket?
We'll all know in about three weeks.....
(There is no reason to think they will even consider the question of need. Hayward has a chance. His skills and feel for the game are outstanding. He will face a huge adjustment, lacking the lateral quickness for some matchups as a small forward or the strength to defend at power forward. -- Jonathan)
Hmm. At first, I'm a bit hesitant to go along with this hypothesis, because it's clear that the Rockets need a big body, of which this year's draft crop has plenty. But, for now, I'll take Jonathan's word for it.
The more I think about it, the draft appears to be a "talent over need" exercise for 90% of the teams involved. Normally, the first few picks have pressing needs, such as a scoring wing, athletic big man, or franchise point guard. But even then, there are still questions regarding which player to take. Clearly, New Jersey needs a big man to pair with Brook Lopez or a scoring-minded wing player to jumpstart the offense. Yet, before the draft lottery, word out of New Jersey was that the Nets were going to take John Wall, even if they already had an All-Star point guard in Devin Harris. Perfect example of talent over need, even within the first five picks.
Remember last year's draft? Oklahoma City took James Harden thid overall, even though they lacked a good frontcourt presence. Doesn't matter: talent over need. Now, OKC has a stellar, youthful backcourt.
(skipping over Kahn, because I'm not going to place my credibility in jeopardy...)
The Warriors had a point guard in Monta Ellis, though he was more of a shooting-guard type. Stephen Curry was a tweener himself, and GS lacked a frontcourt presence as well. Doesn't matter: talent over need. Curry nearly won the Rookie of the Year award, and could be a franchise player for Don Nelson and folks.
Want a good example of how taking need over talent can come back to bite you in the ass? The New York Knicks selecting Jordan Hill over Brandon Jennings. Granted, Jennings' came on a bit quickly, and Hill has room to grow, but I'm sure LeBron James would much rather have played with a ROY candidate than a decent power forward prospect.
In any case, I still believe that the Rockets will look for a big man in this draft, but if we're talking about "needs," well, that's what free agency is for. That's when you have an established scouting report on a player who has already shown how good he is at the highest level. That's when you don't guess on talent, but rather on how a player will fit on a roster. As for the draft, that's when the talent is questioned, and that's when you see teams gamble on talent over taking the "need" player. Perhaps the Rockets will stick with a big body, but as I mentioned in the Al-Farouq Aminu analysis of my last post, there is a good chance Houston will add another wing, assuming that wing is the best player available.
Nobody is safe on a roster, save for a few players. There are always assets to be dealt, and there are always newer, better products to be shipped in.
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Outside of top 5 picks
Where top prospect all have great talent, teams should always take talent over need when face with such decision because the draft in itself is a big gamble, there is no such thing as a guarantee fill of a need in draft. Like say, Defense, rookies rarely comes in playing great defense despite having all the tools needed and polish of either international or college, it’s merely due to a difference in competition, but adjustment periods varies greatly
unless you really sucks, you draft for the future or for contribution, not to fill holes
with that said, This year seems to have a great separation in talent after the top 7 player, anything after seems to be fair game. I dont mind drafting a wing or even point guard(although I’d prefer not to, since it’ll be like a slap in the face to Lowry, or signs of losing Lowry), as long as they can earn some PT and not rot away on the bench, that’d be the reason I advise against drafting a position already stacked, because nothing help developments like real competition, the RGV can only do so much
Which one?
Blazer always drafts Size over a lot of things, but if you’re talking about Oden, there’s no way they could’ve known Oden is actually made of glass, or that Durant would learn the arm sweep and dominates foul shots (although they should’ve realize that Oden is very under developed on offense)
by NVP on Jun 2, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
if we're going to go for talent
then we trade down to fill a need a draft like a Willie Warren, or a Luke Babbit kind of propect. But guys like James Anderson and Terrico White could be big hits in the right situation.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Trust in Jimmy Neutron
I HOPE DARYL “JIMMY NEUTRON BOY GENIUS!!” MOREY NOTICES THIS ARTICLE!
Pie? Where?
In all seriousness, DM has always drafted based on talent. Except maybe Rudy Gay (who wasn’t exactly his pick). Of course then Gay was traded away, so that’s that. And so far he’s traded (Gay-wasn’t really GM yet), kept (AB and Landry), traded (Batum/Arthur/Greene/Joey Dorsey later), then kept (Chase, JT) his draft picks. So I guess he’s going to make something like 12 trades on draft night. You never know with that guy.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Technically
I remembered We targeted and really liked Brandon Roy, but unfortunately Minnesota decided they wanted Randy Foye so much more and decided to swap picks with Portland instead of us
by NVP on Jun 2, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Get what the team NEEDS
Almost every team drafts on talent or quality. They only consider need when there are several candidates that are all about equal on talent. I don’t think there has ever been a real pick made based only on need.
You're kidding, right?
So many of the worst picks in NBA history have been because of need over talent. The Blazers drafted Sam Bowie over MJ because they needed a big. They already had Drexler and didn’t need another SG. It’s not their fault that Bowie’s body failed him.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
I dont agree
I think the Blazers picked Bowie because they actually thought he had huge talent. And a talented big man is just more valuable. They picked who they really thought was the best player. They just made a mistake. At the time, nobody knew that Bowie would have his problems and nobody knew that Jordan would be so good. They thought they were BOTH very talented. Bowie was just bigger. If you have two players that are essentially equal on talent, then you pick based on need. I just think the Blazers saw them as near equals on talent. And as you say, it is not their fault that Bowies body failed. If Bowie had been as healthy say as Jabbar or Hakeem then it would not be the same story.
Morey is definitely talent over need
I figured that out when we drafted Aaron Brooks over the big man needs like Glen Davis. Everyone was like “WTF!?” at the time, but it looks pretty good now. Back then there was a huge glut at the PG position – Rafer Alston, Mike James, and Steve Francis. Why draft another one? Makes sense now.
by goingforthecorner on Jun 2, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
good point
so since we have a glut of wings at the moment then we could take a chance on Luke Babbit. This guy has a set of tools that would make a mechanic jealous.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
another defensive liability tho
Imagine how horrible the defense would be with this guy on, and still no legit back up center. And another white shooter? We already got one with some serious hops, I think i remember reading that C, Buds vertical leap was in the 40s back when he was with Arizona.
u could make the same case for AB
when we drafted him. Babbit wouldnt get much playing time anyway and could just be used as an asset in a trade. He is really shooting up everyones draft boards mainly because of his motor and work ethic.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
We could just take talent over need
I say we pick up Brian Zoubek as undrafted free-agent. Probably can sign him cheap, and hes a 7 foot banger, rebounder, enforcer. I mean we got enough scoring in the back court, how about adding this 7 footer to break some faces and get offensive rebounds for us? Tho him + chuck hayes on the floor at the same time = longest scoring drought in nba history.
That's a pretty good point.
However, I think Zoubek will go in the second round. He is a similar talent (loose term) to Kyrylo Fesenko, who was a second round pick as well. I’d love to get ahold of Zoubek as an undrafted free agent.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
I was thinking hes a 2nd rounder too
But we do have some cash to purchase a 2nd round pick like before. That gorilla hasn’t shown up in the mock draft at nbadraft.net so there could be a remote chance he goes undrafted, and we can get a MMA fighter as our back up center who breaks faces with elbows.
another thing
Also wanted to add hes from coach K system, hes gotta be somewhat smarter than the average center right??? I’m sure Shane would be glad to take a fellow Dukie. Hell why don’t we go after carlos boozer in FA then we can have the front court of the Duke’s championship team (I know I know, Boozer was injured that tourney, and Shane carried the front court load).
The idea
of Carlos Boozer in a Rocket uniform makes me ill. He did not even need the Jazz to be corrupted, he already was.
Not a fan of utah
but I really really hate soft bigs like Bosh. Give me a blacker bigger Scola, and we got a WCF contending team.
Problem with "Need" drafting from Atlanta GM
Hawks GM talking w/beat reporter on draft:
“Unfortunately, the big bodies that fall to us will be more in the project range," Pendergraft said. "… But if we are going to pick a skill, a need, we need one more shooter."
Is this draft deep with shooters?
"No," Pendergraft said. "That’s the [freakin’] problem. There are bunch of guards but not a lot of shooters. There are some good players but they can’t make shots. And the better shooters can’t play a lick of defense."
”http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/05/28/atlanta-hawks-dont-expect-immediate-help-from-draft/?cxntfid=blogs_hawks" target="_blank">http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/05/28/atlanta-hawks-dont-expect-immediate-help-from-draft/?cxntfid=blogs_hawks
Hawks actually doesn't draft too bad.
I thought Hawks were one of the worst drafting teams like Clippers due to their ownership dysfunction. But I looked at their draft history, its pretty solid players. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/draft.html They just suck at developing and utilizing them.
Always draft for talent.
If the person you drafted turns out to be a huge upgrade, that makes your heretofore good players at that position, into trade assets… making it easier to trade for need.
by DribbleHooper on Jun 2, 2010 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would take big mans outta that
Soo many big mans are taken early based on potential but many are just awful, they can’t handle the nba learning curve. From playing 6-8 centers in college to playing other legit 7 footers, nba speed, rules, etc, a lot of them have trouble adjusting. So I would agree with drafting talent over need for anything but a bigman who has “great upside”. How many times have we heard that? How many of them actually are successful.

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