Let's Hear It For New York
by NickHetherington on Jun 28, 2010 7:23 PM CDT
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PrintOut of all the assets Houston has in its possession, the two future New York Knicks picks Morey was able to obtain from Donnie Walsh are the most valuable in the Rockets search for a top-tier free agent. The Knicks have put all their eggs into this year's free agency season, but what if they fall flat on their face? Walsh and staff have a reported $32 million in cap room to use this summer, which is enough to sign two superstars. Obviously two-time reigning MVP LeBron James is on the top of their priority list, but would signing with New York give King James the best option of winning now? The answer is a resounding no. Yes, the Knicks have the cap space to sign two legitimate superstars (something they have not been able to do in 14 years), but two guys can't take a team all the way. You need some sort of supporting cast to relieve your superstars. Also, the way things are lining up puts New York behind a lot of teams.
Chicago and Miami are the ke$ha of the NBA. They have emerged as the leading destinations for a lot of big stars very quickly and out of the blue. Chicago has always been in talks, but the teams financial situation put it behind say New York and New Jersey. Now, the Bulls look like the new front-runner to get the Kings rights after dumping enough salary through the Hinrich trade. There have also been many indications of a D-Wade-Bosh pairing in the works. So as teams start to travel the country trying to court these superstars, where does that put New York?
The most probable outcome is they could sign a single star, Amare Stoudemire or Joe Johnson, and divide the rest of their cap space among a couple of players with below-tier talent. Some of these players include Brendan Haywood, Mike Miller, Brad Miller, Tyson Chandler, Luke Ridnour, Rudy Gay, and J. J. Redick. This would be an immediate upgrade over the current roster, as the Knicks have no true star to give their fans.
As New York tries to swing for the fences during free agency, they will eventually strike out. This makes the two picks the Rockets hold in their possession extremely valuable when the big free agents slowly come off the market by signing with their respective teams. Looking at the picks: the Rockets have the right to swap picks in 2011 so long as New York doesn't win the number one overall pick in the Lottery. Also, the 2012 pick is Top 5 protected.
Morey and staff have many assets on the table, including an incredibly depth team at their disposal. To read more about the depth, check out the most recent article at Heart of a Champion. You look at the depth chart:
C: Yao Ming/ David Andersen
PF: Luis Scola / Jordan Hill / Chuck Hayes / Patrick Patterson
SF: Trevor Ariza /Shane Battier / Jared Jeffries
SG: Kevin Martin / Chase Budinger / Jermaine Taylor
PG: Aaron Brooks / Kyle Lowry
Package a pick or two around a young talent like Chase Budinger or Jordan Hill, and this turns into a very tempting offer that a team like Toronto will have a hard time turning down. However, first Morey and staff will have to wow Bosh and others in their pitch before a sign-and-trade will even be discussed. It looks like Houston is really putting a lot of emphasis on their pitch.
As Tom already reported, Morey is teaming up with Rockets beat writer Jason Friedman and ten of the Red Rowdies to travel around the country meeting certain free agents. This is such a creative way to approach these guys, having passionate and dedicated fans interacting with them is something not many teams are thinking of doing. It will be a breath of fresh air rather than sitting down with the GM, head coach, etc. When and where these meetings will take place is still up in the air. One thing is certain though, when Morey goes to the phones, the two New York draft picks will be something teams go after.
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hmmm
if i remember correctly, i think the 2012 pick is top 1 protected? not sure why i think that but i coulda sworn thats what i read…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 7:43 PM CDT reply actions
I was curious about the 2011 NY pick. I know we have the right to swap picks with them next year if they don’t get the no.1 pick.
When people say that we can trade the 2011 NY pick does that mean that the Rockets have to trade their pick next year for the swap with NY to work or does that mean that the Rockets keep their pick next year but trade the right to swap picks with NY to another team?
im going to assume the latter...
never thought of the former…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rockets get the Knicks 2012 first round pick, with some protection outlined below.
The Rockets also get the rights to exchange their own first round pick in 2011 with the Knicks first round pick in 2011. So if New York ends up with the 6th pick and Houston has the 23rd pick, the Rockets will exercise the right to flip those picks, putting Houston at #6 and New York at #23.
In terms of protection: The 2012 pick is Top 5 protected. The 2011 right to flip picks is Top 1 protected.
by NickHetherington on Jun 28, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions
ok...i thought it was vice versa...
but I would def. take this…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting question
if they get the 1st overall pick next year, do these rights just get “cancelled” or do we get the same option in 2013?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
and if u saw the quotes from him
and D Wade this morning on espn, it seems more and more possible that hes comin to Houston
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
hey!
there was a different picture there a few minutes ago
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 8:53 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think NY gets any of the big free agents
I think if they do get a player it will only be one not two (either Johnson, Boozer, or Amare) which isn’t enough to do well next year. The NY picks are looking better and better after Miami and Chicago freed up space.
On a different note, why is everyone’s confidence in the Rockets low, the SB nation confidence poll is at 45% which is weird because even if we don’t do anything and just resign our players I think we are in very good position.
agreed
not sure why confidence is so low…should be at least in the high 70’s mid 80s
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
all, I would not be that dismissive of NYC’s playoff chances in the even they get potentiall JJ AND Boozer or Amare. Remember, this could still be the same eastern conference where the Rockets would have made the playoffs in if we weren’t in the West. Granted, if Amare and Boozer go east then it will be a stronger conference but I just think if they add JJ and Boozer or Amare they are playoff bound.
Which sucks but when you consider that fact that the Rockets will be the NBA champs at least we will have the ability to move up a couple of spaces in the draft.
If NY gets two of those players then I agree that they would have a high chance of making the playoffs in the east, but as I said above, I feel like NY will only attract one pick if any of the ones named above. Its just my personal opinion but I don’t think NY is that attractive really because of the press, lack of team direction, ect…
What does 45% mean
I don’t know if a 45% is all that low? What does it mean? 45% of the people have confidence that Houston will do what? If 45% of them think Houston is going to be a powerhouse, then I would say that is not low at all.
yea isnt it funny
how it all is blowing up in their face after 2 yr run of massive hype? thats wat NY is all about, all hype no produciton.. they have to be considered one of the pathetic franchises in sports seriously
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
Rockets are useless
Houston is a pathetic team right now. Now free agent will want to go there. the Nets and Knicks even have BETTER chips in place.
C: Yao Ming/ David Andersen
Ming will never play even a half season again. His career is done. He’ll be on the bench a by December and out for the season again. Useless.
Anderson wouldn’t make the cut on a top 10 NCAA team. Useless.
PF: Luis Scola / Jordan Hill / Chuck Hayes / Patrick Patterson
Scola is solid, no arguments here, a VERY underrated power forward who just needs some toughness to his game. I mean a guy half his size KOd him (Fisher).
Hill is a joke. He’ll be in the DLeague soon. Like next year soon. I mean the Knicks didn’t even want him. LOLOL That’s like getting rejected for the prom by the school nerd.
Patrick who?
SF: Trevor Ariza /Shane Battier / Jared Jeffries
I think we saw that Ariza is an EXCELLENT role player but not the phenom people thought he’d be after the ’09 playoffs.
Battier is a fine defender with a high BBall IQ (and IQ in general). He has nothing else to offer and is slowing down considerably.
Jared Jeffries,, read the comments for Jordan Hill.
SG: Kevin Martin / Chase Budinger / Jermaine Taylor
Martin is a taller Ben Gordon. HE can score but does nothing else is a lousy defender and is injury prone. USELESS.
Budinger? Really? The man can’t play his position so he dreams of being a 2 guard.
Jermaine who?
PG: Aaron Brooks / Kyle Lowry
Brooks is DYNAMITE in a bottle. The little dude is greased lightning and can blow past just about any defender in the league. In the end the NBA today is about SIZE and Brooks gets crushed toward the end of games by the likes of of Deron Williams or Derrick Rose. He’d be more useful coming off the bench as a sparkplug where he won’t get hammered to bits.
Lowry has skills and potential as a starting PG and floor general it’s just no one’s seen him operate at that capacity yet.
Rockets are a long way away from being contenders. The caravan of fools isn’t going to convince anyone otherwise. Face it, this isn’t the year of Drexler and Akeem. It’s more of a Dream than a Dream Shake.
In MONEY we trust
Morey can’t save the Rockets. Uncle Sam can.
Troll
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about with all your outdated and general comments. No matter we Rockets fans are confident in our team and that’s all that matters. Talk all you want, you just offer baseless opinions without any numbers which is completely worthless. And if you did look at Martin’s numbers for example, you would see that you are incorrect.
celtics fan here...
haha, this guy was on our site…a clued-in rockets fan tipped us over there…u should read this what MR. Tourette’s Syndrome said about our team:
Oh Celtic fans your time is done. You had a miracle of team for a while that you kindly purchased but the truth isn’t in buying great players its about orchestrating them and Doc was a genius at doing that until he met his undoing at the hands of more clever Mr. Jackson. Now you have a bunch of over the hill talent with a skilled PG who can’t shoot from mid range. Rondo is a top 15 PG at best but GOOD EFFORT little guy. KG has no knees maybe he can get bionic implants like that cat got. Pierce has never been that great but the boy has heart maybe he’ll join the Celtic cheerleaders now. Your center decided he’s have enough on the even of your most important 2 games in as many years. And your best shooter, (who you bought from Seattle) is about done with his storied career. Wow you guys will see NEW JERSEY/BROOKLYN and NEW YORK ahead of you in the standings. How do you feel about that? Talk amongst yourselves."
Obviously, his “expert analysis” is chock full of “misinformation”…if you could even classify THAT as such. Quite classy stuff!! Who is this guy?…a Knicks fan or something?
Rockets fans, I LOVE your team. They were actually my fav during the peak Olajuwon years (my childhood basketball hero!) with Drexler and even Barkley, haha.
Your team is in FANTASTIC shape from what I see. When you guys played the Celts this year, you really gave them a run for their money…Brooks was pretty much the only guy I’ve ever seen out-quick Rondo. Scola was incredible. In a word, your team was just talented and scrappy…kind of scary in a way. You did so much without real height…and when Yao comes back, jees, the West should watch out. Once you get all your pieces back together, you’ll be top 3 in the West, if not outright shockers at #1. That’s what I’m predicting.
Please Houston, for the life of god, beat LA. You and Portland are my only hopes!
Ashtray Bouquet
by ducksawce on Jun 28, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did he get banned off the Celtic site, too?
?
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Jun 29, 2010 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions
wtf are u talkin about? lol random ranting from a hater
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
wow
can i assume you didn’t watch any rockets games in the last 3 years?
lets start with center
C – No point in arguing about how we comes back from injury, we don’t really know, but id put my money on that he plays again and will still be a very good center. I can partially agree about Andersen not making the top 10 ncaa teams, but that fact means nothing about his game. Plenty of college guys are crap in the nba, and plenty of decent ncaa players are great players in the nba. Also, how many NBA players can make the cut on a top 10 NCaa team? my guess is less than a quarter of current players came from a top 10 team.
PF – Scola, im pretty sure 97 percent of the nba would have been knocked out by fisher when he was completely blindsided and he didn’t even see fisher TRUCK him, a move like that should have gotten him suspended for a lot longer. Hill is not crap in any way. There is a reason he was 8 overall, and needs PT to show us how good he is. played well in the time we gave him last year. Hayes was serviceable as a Center last year. Patrick who? Patrick patterson, the same guy who averaged 18 and 9 a year b4 wall and company came. The same guy who completed college in 3 years, is a class act, and a heck of a basketball player.
SF – Ariza, i agree that he is a great role player. Battier, great leader, team player, great defender, good 3pt shoot, no stat all star. Jeffries, there is a reason he got that contract. He is a good defender and can guard almost anyone on the court.
SG – Martin is not Ben Gordon. Martin is way more efficient and is a much better player. Injuries can happen to anyone. Martin is a really good Sg. Budinger is alot better then what you give him credit for. Great 3pt shooter and mad hops, improved his defense alot. Now about Jermaine Taylor. This guy can get to the rim at will and is a solid shooter. I think he will dominate the Summer League. Also for David Andersen you said that he wasn’t good enough to be on a top 10 Ncaa team, jermaine taylor led the ncaa in college. is he useless too?
PG – Brooks is the MIP for a reason. I like him more than rondo simply because he is a much better shooter. The guy can do almost anything at will. When he is overmatched we have lowry to play defense. He is a Great player and very underated. gets to the basket at will and leaves everything on the court.
This TEAM is a LOT better then the Knicks/Nets/and many other teams COMBINED!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
cant believe i wrote all that for a troll
well worth it tho!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
The Trolls just keep getting funnier and funnier.
I love it when the mentally disabled post online.
I mean, the dude tried to put ‘Tourettes’ into his SN, and couldn’t even get that right.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
just ignore and move on
it is not worth our time to respond
Touret is almost right
I am a Rockets fan but a lot of what he wrote is right.
C — Yao may never play even a half season again. That is very possible. It is a big worry for the Rockets. And Andersen is not good enough to be a starter. If Yao goes down again, which is very possible, the C position is a mess for the Rockets.
PF — Scola is solid. Touret is right. And after Scola, there really is not a lot. There used to be Landry but he is gone now and Hill is a NY reject.
SF — Yes, Ariza is an excellent role player. So is Battier. Neither is a go-to guy.
SG — Martin is sort of a taller Ben Gordon. that isn’t all that bad but it isn’t great either. Martin is just a good SG and not a great one.
PG — Brooks is dynamite in a bottle. Ok. But he is a little guy. I don’t see any argument with that. It would be nice if Brooks were 4 inches taller.
Man what's with the hate
It’s the offseason, be a bit positive will ya
Yes, if you want to be pessimistic, Yao may retire during the season, on the flip side, he may also come back and be the difference maker we need. Can you really say your possibility is more certain than mine? No, we dont have the greatest back C in the world, but who backed up Andrew Bynum in the finals? but it’s not the end of the world, who the hell is backing up Horford, Bogut? I’m not saying dont get a serviceable backup, but It’s not like good centers grow on trees in the NBA
Hill is a NY reject, really? You’re basing your argument on a team that made basically terrible decisions for the past decade? and after one season? I am aware that they hit some gems in Wilson Chandler and David Lee(Both basically does Hill’s job), I reserve my judgment on Gallo who I think is essentially a 6-10 Buddinger, but seriously didnt the Hill pick itself exemplify the poor decision making? Was He a need? not really , Pringles dont really use centers on his team really. Was he a better talent on the board then? with Jennings still on the board? Like it or not Hill contributed positively, last year, is it time to call him a star? no, but it’s certainly no time to call him a scrub either
No one’s saying Kevin Martin is GREAT, but Kevin Martin is better than a lot of the twos out there. Dude why are we hating on Bud here, he was kind of important last year. what? just ignore the athletic guard/forward with a nice shot?
It’ll be nice if chuck hayes was 6’10 and I dont have to hear about this we dont have a serviceable back up center. But that’s the way the cards are dealt. Rajon Rondo is pretty damn special, so? I’ll be damned if teams dont sat down during tape sessions and say “OK how do we stop Arron Brooks” and Lowry, dont get me started on Lowry, if he was stayed healthy after that one key win streak, we’d be in the playoffs last year
Without Yao, we’re a fringe mediocre team
Yes he made valid point, but in general assessment he clearly ignored lots positive and cdid it to get a rise(which he went on and trolled….“I’m 34….” LOL)
I still can't believe anyone would rant about Hill being a NY reject.
Especially when I fully remember a lot of people going in 2009, “Why’d we get Lowry? He can’t get playing time for the Grizzlies!!”
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Kyle Lowry was always awesome
Memphis management was just terrible, and didnt want Mike Conley to be another laughingstock pick(Honestly, I’ve heard the fan arguments for Mike Conley starting over Lowry and La Bomba JCN at the time was “Conley can only contribute when he start, He’s total shit off the bench” btw it wasnt much of a contribution anyhow)
I am optimistic
Really! I am optimistic. I believe Yao will return near full strength and there is a good chance he will play the entire year okay. I believe Scola and Brooks will continue to be near all-stars. And I believe that Martin is in for a good year. I am even optimistic that the Rockets can add a big dog like Bosh.
On the other hand, I was just saying that most of what that Touret guy said was basically true. Yao is a big risk. Scola is solid. Ariza is a role player. Martin is sort of a taller Ben Gordon (which isn’t all bad) and Brooks is dynamite in a bottle (but it would be nice if he were a bit larger). I think that Touret was right on all those.
Who backed up Bynum in the finals? Well, Bynum did play and he had a pretty good series so it wasn’t like he was in the hospital. And when he was not on the floor, Gasol was … Gasol is pretty good in case you didn’t notice. Having Bynum somewhat less than 100%, backed up by Gasol, is not the same as having Yao 0% of the time, backed up by Chuck wagon.
And, Hill is a NY reject in a sense. They drafted him and didn’t like him enough to even play him. Maybe NY was wrong about him but they called him “a bad rookie”, which is sort of like a rejection in my book. I agree that NY has made some bad decisions but if they rejected him, and it was another NY mistake, it is stil a rejection. And, yes, I think the selection of Hill by NY was a misakte. NY thinks it was a mistake too. That is the whole point. He might turn into a good player but based on their evaluation of him, they didn’t think it was going to happen.
And I like Kevin Martin. At first I didn’t like the trade (mainly because I liked Landry) but now I agree that it was a good trade for the Rockets. As for Bud, I think that a lot of people posting here are over-valuing him.
The Rockets are sort of a finge team — on the fringe of the lottery or on the fringe of contender. It sure would be nice to somehow add one more pricipal piece to the mix even if that means parting with what seems to be an excess of spare parts. We need an 8-9 man rotation of guys who can play very good. Having 15 that can play okif they get a chance doesn’t help if they never get the chance.
I'm not denying Hill was a "NY reject" nor that NY should not have picked him.
He obviously was, as he got no playing time for whatever reason and they picked him over Jennings and Curry.
The problem is that being a “NY reject” is not necessarily a bad thing, as NY is a bad team. They may believe he may never be a good player, just as Memphis thought of Lowry. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure, and just because a bad team like New York rejects a player whom after all was drafted for his potential and was your usual big man development project doesn’t mean Hill’s necessarily a bad player. He’s not at all from when he played with us, and he’ll definitely get a lot better.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Well
Not many team feature a legit forward center like Gasol, a year ago Josh Powell and DJ Mbenga back him up at the 5. The NBA is moving toward a more fluid style of play, Yao’s a defined traditional center, but most of our team pretty much pull double shifts. I’m not say we dont have a concern at 5, but I’m saying it’s not as bad as most people think. Bosh doesnt want to play center at all, yet he is still a solution why? because he’s a legit threat in the post.
NY reject is no valid argument for him being a bad player, just because NY thinks they made a mistake doesnt mean he is a bust. They were losing a lot, with or with out him, Hill was pretty good whenever he plays for NY, but Pringles likes it small and likes vetrans, He played proven bust Johnathan Bender and Darko Millic before him because they are more experienced, and he got burned for it.
What do you value Bud as? because I see him fits the bill as a serviceable back up swingman that can be a spot starter here and there pretty good, am I over-valuing him here?
I do believe we have a team of good player, not just ok,, they are young and already solid, at the very least the front 7 can go out and compete with anybody, now if Yao return to form, we can consistently beat anybody, while that’s not guarantee, adding another big name helps but there’s a delicate balance in trade-offs. This free agency is a storm, we need to tread carefully
We are a great player away from being great, which not far.
I think
assuming we’re “A great player away from being great” is basically saying we’re not good. At all. I think we have a great team and people are too skittery/nervous because of all the articles saying the Rockets NEED that one big piece. Just because we’re a team with just one all star doesn’t mean we’re destined for obscurity or not as strong as the LA’s of the NBA.
I think you fairly value Buddinger too, but I’d like to see where that athleticism lets him develop. I’m 100% with you on the Hill comment too. I think worth noting as well though. One thing Isaiah Thomas excelled at was the draft. He sucked at everything else. If I recall correctly, Hill was a draft pick of Thomas.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Hill was a Walsh pick
Zeke was a horrible GM pretty much at all facets, he’s half decent at drafts, but talent evaluation in general was horrific
I was not counting Yao in the top 7 player yet since he’s only just got cleared for basketball related activity. That one big piece is for stability to do well in the playoff despite possible Yao related injuries, but it’s not like i’d cry my eyes old if we dont get any of these big FAs. (essentially I’m just praying NY sucks for the next 2 years, and we get superb picks)
See
I think Thomas had a good eye for young talent. He landed McGrady in Toronto and through most of his stops drafted well. He was actually regarded around the league as a great talent evaluator of prospects in the draft, just a moron at everything else.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
oh i thought you only meant his NY tenure
Yeah, He is quite good at prospects overall
But he overpaid for lots of people when he was at NY
Oh
God no. I think he was a horrible GM at the end of the day but in his career he was damn good in the NBA Draft. Overpaid a lot of talent in the NBA hoping you could assemble a team based on hope and past numbers in New York. He can’t put a roster together for the life of him but he sure as sh*t can find you talent out of the draft. Then bury it on the bench, trade it away for has beens, and watch it bloom when it got away from whatever team he inhabited at the time.
Thomas is like a basketball STD. Sure, some of it was good (Contraction, or in NBA terms, drafing), but by in large it’s just sore and deters others from contacting you (No NBA Job and a lot of teams did work to recover from him).
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
If Brooks was 4 inches taller…
… the Rockets would not have him on their roster.
He would have been drafted a helluva lot earlier than he was…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Jun 30, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
But only because he would likely be much better. I was only saying the touret character was basically right in his analysis of Brooks (a bottle of dynamite but not quite big enough). I like Brooks a lot. Brooks and Lowry are a good pair. PG is not a serious weakness of the Rockets in my opinion. And nobody else seems to be targeting a PG for the Rockets. The main goal is to get somebody who can take control when/if Yao cannot go. I think a secondary goal should be to get a SF scoring threat.
I wouldn't be surprised if
the Utah Jizz took this idea as well.
“This just in. Breaking news from Salt Lake City. Utah Jizz GM Kevin O’Connor plans on bringing 10 Jizz Rowdies with him on his travels during free agency. Another original idea by the Jizz. Reporting live from Salt Lake City. Back to you”
In Morey We Trust
The BANHAMMER delivers the real justice
That's just turrible
by joshsm07 on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You are wrong and it is why you and the Rockets nations are LOSERS
Houston is useless as is Texas. Rockets are a loser franchise. your saving grace was Akeem, the greatest center in Basketball but the CLASSLESS WHITE TRASH of Houston didn’t even respect Akeem at first. You made the guy take a taxi to the workouts. You are a classless uncivilized city with pathetic sports teams. Rockets SUCK Astros SUCK Texans SUCK. Go to thell Houston.
When is the Banhammer coming?
In Morey We Trust
The BANHAMMER delivers the real justice
That's just turrible
Hakeem took a taxi to UofH cuz he came early u idiot
dam ur stupid
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
by HB23 on Jun 30, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
NVPS mom sucks free cum
The greatest city in the US – CHICAGO
Greatest athlete EVER – Jordan
New DYNASTY – Chicago with LeBron and Bosh. EAT IT HOUSTON THEN CRY AND DISAPPEAR.
You, sir, receive a free copy of...
THE BANHAMMMMMMMERRRRRRR!!!!!!
GET AT ME.
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by Tom Martin on Jun 28, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
i must say
btwn. TDS and BRB, the banhammer pictures are all awesome!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
What I wanna know is…
… what the hell took so long to bounce that fool?
He needs to get himself a steady job and quit living in his mommy’s basement before anyone will take anything he say seriously.
Age 34 is a little old to be pulling the “Bud Bundy” routine…
.
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Jun 29, 2010 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Every time
I see Chicago referenced I get the mental imagery of that SNL sketch with Chris Farley. Just a bunch of fat dudes sitting around getting heart attacks eating Kielbasa. Am I the only one that thinks that?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
by BD34 on Jun 29, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
there are probably more flags in this thread
then in a Texans – Colts Game…SEC REFS
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Anyways
I kept wondering, will the these rights to swap/picks be more valuable when the dust settles at mid-season or should we sell high in case NYK actually does something.
as great of an asset as these are, their stock are rather volatile, so I kept wondering how enticing they really are?
it would really suck
if somehow they won the lottery…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
i need opinions
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2010/6/28/1541652/please-tell-me-what-you-think-poll
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
This John Tourets guy just e-mailed me to complain
Hey, Chris Lowe (that’s his real name) – if you are reading this, don’t bother interrupting your right hand to respond to this.
Why?
Because you are banned.
That’s why.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Jun 28, 2010 11:52 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Does banning cap the IP, or is it just the SN?
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
either way
it wouldn’t stop him from creating a new account and/or using another computer. It does send a message though. One full of the glory of Thor’s Hammer, that is.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
LOLOWNED
Bears Beats Battlestar Gallactica
by RocketsAstros on Jun 29, 2010 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I like that…
… he comes onto this site, trolling and talking sh*t and when he gets himself banned off here (despite the warnings he didn’t heed), he turns into a crybaby about being kicked out.
Incredible…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on Jun 29, 2010 6:09 AM CDT up reply actions
gotta admit
when it’s time to go to law school, i’m going to let quality of nba team be a factor in my decision, so i hope nyc hits it big this summer. Or chicago.
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
I let quality
of city and prospects make my decision. Or that’s what I tell myself when I realize I’m an NBA nut going to law school in Washington DC… Though with Wall their future looks like it could be bright.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
as a former lawyer I am sorry for you guys
I practiced corporate law in NYC for 6 years and hated it. My advice, study hard and get a job doing contract law for entertainment, kiss Morey’s ass and go work in the Rocket’s back office. Otherwise practicing sucks…or it did for me.
I'm up in the air
on which practice I’m looking towards. I wouldn’t mind advocacy or trial law. I’m going to sign up with the Sports and Entertainment Organization on campus for the idea of being a sports agent or something similar. Then for Advocacy the Human Rights Organization on campus.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Silly Talk
I don’t see Bosh coming to Houston. We have 0% chance of getting Lebron. Joe Johnson? Maybe but I will still be surprised. I also think whatever team gets Joe Johnson will be over-paying. How about Rudy Gay? Keep your eye on him. Brad Miller? I can see that happening. Amare I would like. We almost had him before the trade deadline.
I agree ... probably
Lebron isn’t coming to Houston for sure. But Bosh is going somewhere and Houston has a chance so they should at least try. the Rockets probably were not going to do anything in the playoffs either but at least they tried to get in. Same goes for Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Stepping down … Amare, Boozer (yes), Johnson, etc would all be welcome in Houston if it doesn’t cost too much to get them. Houston has to try to upgrade. Regardless of Houston fans seem to think, Houston is only an average team, a non-playoff team. And Yao is nothing certain either. The Rockets have to at least try to upgrade the team. Right now they have too many “good” players and zero “great” players unless Yao does fully return to form.
I think
you sell Houston a bit short in saying they’re average/not a playoff team, especially when you consider the development of everyone this year and adding in a guy who can at least still net you 15/10 if surgery has hampered him.
But I agree 100% on the silly idea of the truck full of fans. I mean, let’s face it, the person who pitched that idea is probably one of those red rowdies.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Rowdies
are awesome.
It’s not about swaying the decision of the superstars with a truckload of rowdy fan, it’s about the gimmick that gets media machines going. It keeps fans interested, and the quirky idea gives ESPN something to talk about. “Oh, the Rockets threw bricks of money, Jordan Hill and Jared Jefferies at Chris Bosh’s door” is not exactly original, and since we’re not EAST COAST or WEST COAST, that’ll just be glossed over. The more these "analyst " and “experts” talk about Houston(a team that had exactly one game on national television last year) our truck load of fans, and our involvement in the pursuit of a big FA., the less chance we’re an afterthought in their decision making process.
Average - non-playoff
I say average, non-playoff because that is just what I see. I believe the Rockets overachieved this season. The did better than expected. Without Yao, the Rockets should NOT expected to make the playoffs this year. You say that even if hamered, he will “net” you 15/10. I think you mean “gross” and not “net”. An unhealthy Yao might not net anything at all.
Non-Playoff Team - question: which team is going to drop down so the Rockets can move up? The Lakers? (unlikely) The Spurs? (maybe since they are getting old but they might add Tiago Splitter too) The Mavs? (unlikely) Phoneix? (If they lose Amare and get nothing in return) Utah (if they lose Boozer and get nothing in return), Portland (unlikley … they are going to add some key pieces just like Houston is counting on Yao). OKC (unlikely .. they are getting better FAST). And then there are New Orleans and Memphis that, with a little luck, might push the Rockets this season. Making the playoffs is not going to be all that easy for the Rockets.
FINALLY — if Yao returns 100% and if the Rockets can add a stud like Bosh, then, in my opinion, the Rockets could move from non-playoff status to contender status.
if u havent noticed
overachieving seems to be what we do. but dont u think that if u are always overachieving u mite actually be good? u highly underrate the Rockets
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Maybe ... I hope so
Early in the season, I think we were all surprised at how well the Rockets played. We were impressed with how hard they played. A big part of that, for me, was Landry but Scola sure picked up the slack when Landry left. But by far the best thing out of the Rockets in recent memory was the winning streak team that almost beat the Lakers in the playoffs and not the lottery team we had this year.
Silly idea
“Morey is teaming up with Rockets beat writer Jason Friedman and ten of the Red Rowdies to travel around the country meeting certain free agents. "
The players already have a ton of hangers on kissing their butts. More than that, they have a dozen beautiful gals standing around kissing their asses too. These players are in serious negotions about $100 milllion contracts. Their agents are professional businessmen.
So isn’t it going to just be an annoyanace when a van load of heehaws shows up trying to crowd in close and kiss more butt? This just sounds silly. Show them the money, show them the team, show them the good side of life in Houston, show them the sources of outside money, show them how the team has a plan to win games, to win titles. But a van load of rowdies?? Every team in the NBA, every college team, they all have a bunch of loud fans. This is a silly idea.
Yes, you're completely corect.
Pandering to their massive egos is a complete waste of time.
/sarcasm
/eyeroll
This is 2010, and to make it worse, it’s America. All that anyone wants in this day and age is new and creative ways for other people to tell them how great they are.
Will it work without the money? Of course not.
Will it possibly get us closer to actually being able to offer them that money? Possibly.
Houston is sending it’s resume to each of these players, and as the thriving businesses that charge you an arm and a leg to help you sell yourself will tell you: Standing out makes all the difference.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
You know how you pander to egos?
Money. A handful of fans won’t make a difference because no matter where players choose to play, they will be cheered for. It’s a good pr move, otherwise it’s dumb.
by danielcp0303 on Jun 29, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Uhh...
Will it work without the money? Of course not.
Will it possibly get us closer to actually being able to offer them that money? Possibly.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
The answer to the second question isn't possibly
It’s No
by danielcp0303 on Jun 29, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
yo do realize.
That the rockets can offer each of the free agents
EXACTLY as much money as any other team can….
money really is a non issue here. They are getting payed no matter where they go, and more to the point they are getting paid the same no matter where they go.
The point of the red rowdies is to introduce a different recruiting tool. Sitting down at a table with a bunch of guys in suits its easy to get bored and ignore anything they say.
A bunch of fanatics telling you they love you and would love to cheer for you and have you on their team… that sends a bit stronger at least emotional appeal. Yes player X you are wanted. You are more than just a buisness decision you have real people here telling you they want you
First of all
the money thing is true, but like I said….money talks. So does a good roster. And I’m pretty sure these fans won’t be at the table with Morey and Bosh when they are talking about a possible deal. It’ll probably be something like, “We brought these fans to say hi and to tell you that we want you”. Then Bosh will say hi and maybe sign stuff and then the real business will begin with the fans back in the van. Come on guys, this is nothing more than public relations. It just comes off as corny and desperate. The Rockets should be neither. As i’ve said before there is a history of winning and we have a really good team, if that’s not enough for a free agent, then chances are a van full of fans won’t change his mind.
by danielcp0303 on Jun 29, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah!
But you said ‘chances are’
Meaning there’s a chance. Not making every effort would be stupid.
I’m not saying that you’re wrong about our history of winning or about us having a good team.
PR makes the world go round, and every little bit helps.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
Let's say there is a chance...
which I don’t think there is, I was just making a point. But if a player doesn’t know if he wants to come here and isn’t already excited about the possiblity of being a houston rocket, would you really want him to come here anyways? I want someone who is motivated and chooses the Rockets, not someone who is so weak minded that he gets swayed by a group of fans. Which is why it won’t work anyways, these players know where they want to go.
by danielcp0303 on Jun 30, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Weak minded?
You make it sound like these fans showing up are the only reason a player would come.
Say you were switching jobs…wouldn’t having some people come over to tell you how excited they were that you made the choice to come work with them help make you feel even bet.ter about the decision?
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
No.
If a van load of bozos showed up to annoy hell out of me, it would not increase my desire to take a job. You assume that these fans are going to please the FA. Remember, these big name ball players have people bugging hell out of them all the time. Most of them are sick and tired of the excess attention. These are not some high school boys. They are all superstar NBA players who have had mega-attention paid to them for the last few years.
Ah but attention is not all bad
I dont think these fans goes in hooping and hollering when they get there, or at least l hope they dont. Having fans is one thing, having a person behind that fan persona is quite another. I think only a selected few will actually see the Free agent
But this is certainly a nice media gimmick, imagine having an online video or a blog call my summer day- how we fans chase free agents with Daryl Morey. It give team publicity, it give Morey publicity. it was never about using the rowdies to sway the decision, but leaving an impression and making us relevant in the nation media
Autra you can't compare our jobs to the NBA
NBA is about millions of dollars, legacy and winning. We don’t deal with any of that. And the fans aren’t people that the free agents will be working with, can’t compare the two.
by danielcp0303 on Jun 30, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
corny and desperate
For sure, it seems corny to me. If I were Bosh and getting so much attention I was sick of it, I would not want to see a van load of good ole boys show up to shake my hand and pat me on the back. This is a guy who meets with Wade and Lebron, who meets with movie star babes, who has an entourage following him about, kissing his ass. Do you think he is going to be happy to see another van load of butt kissers show up? It will be an annoyance for him. That is what I think. What he needs is for Yao to show up and pay him one on one to show him that Yao is ready to play. If Yao cannot do it now then somehow they need to show him that Yao can do it in Novermber. The most important factor in the decision will be whether Yao is going to carry his part of the load come November. I don’t think all the buds and ariza’s amount to a hill of beans in the decision. What matters is whether Yao is going to play or not.
not much appeal in my opinion
It seems appealing to you perhaps because you have not been chased about by fans and media for the last 5-6 years. You have had peace and quiet. These big name FAs are probably sick and tired of excess fan attention. They get it everywhere they go and have a hard time getting an hour’s peace. Do you think Madonna or Elvis or The Beatles would want to sit down with a van load of fans? Of course not. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc … these guys assume they are wanted. They believe that everybody wants them. They are not some lonely guys, craving a bit of attention. But, if it is attention they want and crave, then they are heading for New York to get it. That is NY’s argument.
I doubt it
These guys have a gang of hangers-on kissing their butts all the time. They cannot go out in public without being hassled by fans. I think that most superstars (sports, movies, music) kind of get sick and tired of the fans bugging hell out of them all the time. They are at a critical point in their lives where they have to make a very serious decision about their careers. Would you want a bunch of loudass fans yapping at you, trying to tell you how to make the decision? I wouldn’t. You are right. Standing out does make a difference. But every team in the NBA has plenty of loud mouth fans. That is hardly a way to stand out. The sale should be based on (1) the coaching and management, (2) the current team quality, (3) the City of Houston as a place to live, (4) Houston as a place of outside $ opportunities, including the China link. This is a super big business decision … not some high school pep rally nonsense. And standing out can be a negative if you stand out because you are loud mouthed (please, no offence meant to the rowdies … just that there is a time and place and I doubt that the place is during a serious business meeting).
Nick..
I just want you to know..I think you’re absolutely amazing at what you do! I get so excited when I see you’ve wrote a new piece..I, dare I say it…love you and what you stand for. Keep it up! # is 713-410-3242. Hit that up if you maybe wanna do something some time..I know you have the time, im unemployed too ;)
ok so
that was a lil straightforward..what i meant was um..Me and you have a lot in common in our way of thinking about our fave team. THE ROCKETS BABY! So I was just gonna ask like..maybe we could meet in person and discuss these ideas, I know a great chilis..or if you’re more A.M. like me, Starbucks is always a winner! This is of course just a suggestion, not a demand lol
So anyway, just lemme know via however!
-mitmil22
Message meant for Touret guy
I think this message was intended for the Touret guy but he has been banned. So now these two, Touret and Mitmill, may never meet.
I would never totally count out Houston for getting any free agent they want and here’s why:
1) Houston already has Yao. Guys everywhere know he is a great player and a great teammate. Plus, all Rocket players get extra exposure in that BIG China market because of Yao.
2) Texas has no state income tax. That means a lot of extra money in their pockets.
3) And finally, Houston has the players and draft picks to pull off the sign-and-trade deals. Also, Daryl Morey will make the best deal possible. He won’t seriously overpay to get these guys. He will either pay fair market value or he will get the better part of the deal. He won’t get cheated.
I actually like Houston’s chances of getting some kind of roster upgrade in a sign-and-trade deal…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
Yes .. but is Yao ready?
You are right in your analysis if you are right about Yao. You listed three good reasons why the Rockets should be able to sign a big name FA. And Yao is #1 on your list. The question that the potential FA signee will have is whether Yao is going to be able to play full strength and carry his share of the load. If the Rockets can convince a guy like Bosh that he will be teamed up with a healthy Yao then they have a good chance. If Bosh (or other) has serious concerns about Yao’s fitness then items 2 and 3 won’t be enough to pull off a deal. Is there a way to convince everyone that Yao really is going to be able to play?
Appreciate the support MitMil22. I’m always down to talk about the Rockets. Currently I am not in Houston but anytime you want to talk Houston sports shoot me an email at Nick.C.Hetherington@gmail.com or you can send me a tweet. My username is @NickHether
by NickHetherington on Jun 30, 2010 5:17 PM CDT reply actions
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