Finally, It's Gotten Too Awkward To Ignore. And No, A Restraining Order Will Never Be Necessary.
by Tom Martin on Jul 18, 2010 8:38 AM CDT
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Apparently, I'm one of those who has assembled and supported Daryl Morey's online "cult" following. Dave and Lee have done their fair share of Morey campaigning as well, perhaps to an even greater extent. Look at our blog's tagline as a reference if you weren't aware before. But this all begs a particular question that has been thrown around here in the comments (usually angry ones) for quite some time.
Are we, your humble Dream Shake writers (I think I can speak for everyone on this topic... I think) obsessed with one Daryl Morey?
I'll admit, it does seem like we are, at times. We give off this impression that literally every single thing that he does is "totally awesome" and is a resounding success. But does that mean that we're obsessed and smitten and dying to unearth every bit of information of the man's life? Do we, as one commenter so delicately put it, act as if Mr. Morey is our trusting father?
No. Absolutely not. That's disgusting.
I think there's a difference between believing in somebody, admiring their work, giving them the benefit of the doubt, agreeing with their decisions... and then flat-out obsessing over them like a TMZ photographer. None of us here obsess over Daryl Morey. We only "obsess" over the work that he has done as a general manager, because it is quite fantastic.
It's been well-publicized what we think of his transactions thus far. In short, we believe that Daryl generally gets the very most out of an opportunity to upgrade the Rockets' personnel without overdoing it (i.e. paying Joe Johnson $120 million). He also doesn't make obvious flubs, like Memphis did recently. Have a gander.
Remember, the Grizzlies traded their first round pick to get Ronnie Brewer from Utah this past season. Brewer then became a restricted free agent this offseason. But the Grizz inexplicably declined to give Brewer a qualifying offer. Like, they didn't do something that would cost them zero money. Instead, they signed Tony Allen, whose contract wound up being a whopping $1 million less per season than Brewer's deal with Chicago. The fact that Utah eventually used the draft pick they got from Memphis to snag Al Jefferson from Minnesota makes me want to slap Chris Wallace silly. This is an example of something that Daryl Morey simply would not do.
I mean, if we're talking about obsessing over somebody, do you really think a guy like Daryl Morey would top our list? Basketball aside, he comes off as quite the boring individual. And that's to his credit. Morey may be a wild, entertaining guy, but he doesn't show it - he keeps his public profile very business-like and keeps the focus of the media on the team and away from stupid off-field theatrics that have plagued other teams in the sporting world. This is a good thing.
That's it, really. We're not obsessed with Daryl Morey at all. We simply cannot find any faults with the overwhelming majority of his work. Like OAL, I'm tired of the whole "In Morey We Trust" thing. He's a general manager, not a general in the United States army.
Then again, as Daryl has reminded me himself on multiple occasions, it's not about the moves themselves, but rather how they work out on the court. Fact is, as impressive as the transactions have been, if things don't play out in our favor this season, my respect for Morey's work will likely come into question.
But let's hope that doesn't happen. Same goes for the over-the-top, "The Aristocrats"-inspired, sarcastic Morey-obsession jokes that are surely about to invade the comments section.
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No Obsession
there are may be some Morey obsessed fans, but i do believe that most of us-Rockets fans- are not
the guy is smart and does his best to upgrade the team and make it a contender
with that said he is a human being and can make mistakes, but i believe that his mistakes are little regarding the other GM’s: ie Amare signing with the Knicks….
I don't understand
Why the Knicks signing Amare was a mistake but Morey signing Miller was smart. This is what I think is sort of illogical lopsided Moreyism. I am sure that if the Rockets had signed Amare for the same contract, everybody on here would be yapping about what a great deal Morey pulled (including me).
What was wrong with the Amare deal? Not only did the Knicks get Amare but it seemed to give them a better shot at also getting Lebron. That didn’t work out because Lebron already had other plans. But now it looks like there is a chance that Amare might help pull in Carmelo and Chris Paul.
Amare is a great BB player. Since he came into the league, in all fairness — counting injuries, etc, he has been more valuable than Yao Ming. He does seems injury-prone but somewhat less than Yao. If you had to bet on which one will play better over the next 4 years, you would probably bet on Amare. And what kind of deal would Yao get from the Rockets or any other team if he had been a FA. Amare was a great acquistiion for the Knicks.
Consider this - how stupid would the GM look if he had not got anyone? Amare is the only thing that saved him from being total ass.
AND - Consider this -- Morey wanted to get a top FA too. Morey said that he thought that they would mainly be signed via sign-and-trade. That was Morey’s strategy. Did it work? How many of the top FAs were acquired via sign-and-trades?
And before everybody jumps on me, let me repeat that I think Morey is doing a good job. I just am not ready to worship him.
agreed up to this
Did it work?
No, but we were longshots to land anyone big and it never put our other priorities at risk. So… who cares?
How many of the top FAs were acquired via sign-and-trades?
Of those who changed teams? All but Boozer and Amare.
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I think Boozer was a sign and trade too. Thats how the Jazz got the trade exception that they used to pick up Jefferson. It didn’t need to be a sign and trade, but it was one.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 18, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Amare was as well
Amare was also – Phoenix grabbed a trade exception when Amare went to NY
Maybe it' because
of the 4:1 salary difference, maybe it’s because Knicks signed Amare to lure Lebron while Brad Miller was always the safety for the rockets to fall back on. I dont see the similarity at all
I’d have been pissed if we give Amare 20 million a year, considering an equivalent player in David Lee signed for much less. having Amare back on D’atoni system may be a good move, but certainly not form a frontoffice stand point, they werent savvy enough to sign and trade for him to retain his birdrights, maybe it’s because they dont have have the assets to do it anymore. While they will be going for the Melo/Paul combo again, they will need to essentially attempt to sign.trade for at least one of them, and that will be a challenge without many assets
pretty much all other FAs were sign& traded or they stay on their own team for bird-rights
Who cares?
Does it really matter what anyone else thinks? I’m not afraid to admit I’m a huge fan of Morey.
I don’t think anyone seriously thinks we’re a cult. Just enthusiastic. Why be defensive?
by PurplePeopleEaters on Jul 18, 2010 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Not being defensive
I’m with you on this. We’re not afraid to admit we’re huge fans. But I think enough people had been getting at this strange notion and I wanted to clear things up.
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I understand.
I still really like the article. I think people look at all the love for Morey and wonder why, because his moves hasn’t exactly translated to great results. But there’s more to it than that.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Jul 20, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that the cult comment seemed a bit offhand not particularly serious.
And, I don’t see any cult like devotion around here.
Finally, when you have a good active GM the appreciation level goes way up. Just as it does for good players who make good plays and appear to be good guys.
Check out the depression at Blazers Edge when they lost Pritchard. He was a Morey type GM who brought them out of the abyss and into contention. They were as bummed to lose him as they would be to lose a star player.
If you start posting about what Morey is having for breakfast and what his next haircut is going to look like, I will be handy to call you down for cultism.
Meanwhile, Morey knows what he’s doing and does it well. And, his efforts are going to be put to the court test this year if we are lucky and Yao stays healthy.
Here’s hoping he proves to be prophetic and deserves the praise.
And, I don’t see any cult like devotion around here.
All hail Morey, The Dragon who eats the sun. Night time is the right time, night time is the right time, night time is the right time…………. I’m sorry what?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
by mob16151 on Jul 18, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. And aI have a flower and a cookie for you, too. Just read this friendly brochure about The Daryl.
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by Xiane on Jul 19, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Morey also stands out...
…because he approaches his job so differently from most other managers. Not to beat the Billy Beane comparison to death, but he too drew attention because he was innovative. They are even making a movie out of Money Ball, so let’s not forget that this admiration for a manager is not without precedent.
It’s not like anyone here is writing a script called “Resigning Scola”, so I think it’s safe to say we haven’t gone overboard.
He's the best GM in the league
I don’t even know if it’s arguable at this point.
And his wife made him go to a Michael Buble concert on Friday night, so we know he’s human
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Haha
Terrible. I will NEVER see a Michael Buble concert. Hopefully he’ll be done before I get married.
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Some advice from old married guy.
Never say never about things like that. It has a way of coming back to haunt you.
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I did drive a bargain for the movie...
hopefully this whole “being persuasive” thing works. Traded oral for twilight, got my goods up front and fell asleep through part of the movie.
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He's good
…but runaway the best? I don’t know about that..
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by Max_in_Missouri on Jul 19, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I had to sit through Twilight with an ex
and I thought I was a champion. Morey will forever have my hat tipped to him for that concert.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
No, I think yours was worse. Morey remains married.
Unless there was some sort of perk attached, rather than a grim sense of duty.
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by Xiane on Jul 19, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He also said
that he was going to get an MMA event out of it. So sounds like a fair trade off
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whast wrong with giving him some love?
he is in my mind, the best GM in the league. I do not doubt ANY of his moves so far. I think if we had to decide his worst signing, then it would be David Andersen right now, and it is really only because he won’t get enough PT to show us what he is worth.
Morey is a genius and deserves the attention we give him!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 18, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions
How about Ainge?
If Morey is best, where does Danny Ainge fit? A few years ago, the Celtics were dogs. They had one star player (Pierce). They were a lottery team, even worse that the Rockets. Ainge somehow added Garneet and Allen and, as they say, the rest is history. Ainge took a weak team and turned it into a championship team. What has Morey done in the same time period with the Rockets? Don’t get me wrong — I like Morey. But just to be devil’s advocate, over essentially the same time period, the Rockets went from a Big 3 (Yao-Tmac-Artest) contender for a championshiop down to a lottery team. Meanwhile the Celtics went from a lottery team to a Big 3 (Garnett-Pierce-Allen) championship team.
Ainge took over a team with cap space and assets. Morey had neither.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 18, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
excactly
he had al jeff…and picks…and cap space, and pierce already there…He still did do a hell of a job though…
Morey had none of that…and built a great team, and now has assets and Picks to deal with to improve!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 18, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
boom, nailed it.
Think about what Daryl has to work with?
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Lets not forget that everyone in the league was upset with the Garnett trade.
McHale had a little something to do with that trade, I’m sure. It was not that difficult to pull off. Really, Al Jefferson for a hall of fame player, a seriously ridiculous trade for Minnesota.
The Gasol trade had two Jerry West teams dealing with one another. The rest of the league was really upset about that trade as well! “Gasol for a magic bag of beans”, was one quote from a GM that I can recall.
All three of the huge acquisitions have a foul smell of collusion! (Lakers, Boston and Miami)
How about the Scola deal?
Houston got Scola pretty easy too. When Houston does it, Morey is a genius. When the Celtics or Lakers do it, somethign is fishy.
thats completly different
scola was a nothing, and spurs didnt think he would be so great…garnett and gasol were tier 1 players at their positions…a lot different
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 19, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
That's ridiculous
We traded WITHIN DIVISION, which not easy because of the relative chance of it coming back to bite you on the ass. Spurs did not have the money to buy out Luis’s contract without(cap room issue), and the previously signed Oberto who was effective enough for them. It was only easy because Spurs were desperate, their deal with the clips fell through, within 24 hours Spurs would have lost the rights to Scola anyways, and by trading, they can get cap relief, or else Scola becomes a free agent for anyone to chase.
Neither Gasol or Garnet trade were remotely the same, Gasol trade was baffling in that Memphis was not in any hurry to lose Pau, or had any additional incentives to rebuild(because they were essential a lottery team every year), It was done partially to help sell the team, and partially as a favor to Gasol. Minny was already at odds with KG and had fail several time through no faults to KG himself. So that was a case of trading for a disgruntle player to a team that wants to rebuild. It was not fishy at all, actually very normal just rarely the magnitude of KG’s statue(Boston essentially traded a starting line up to Minny, and to be fair Minny disappointed KG for many years).
Good argument
But I don’t see how it makes Morey the Best GM in the NBA. He was in a different situation that Ainge. Ainge took over a lottery team and turned it into a championship team. Morey took over a contender and now it is a lottery team. I am NOT blaming Morey for the injuries to Yao and Tmac. But still, honestly, the team has not improved in W-L yet so let’s not crown Morey so fast. The goal is to win games. The ultimate goal is a championship. 2010-2011 will be interesting because the Rockets are now a Morey Team. Yao is about the only piece that is not Morey’s. I have high hopes but I would like to see the results before declaring Morey kind of the hill.
My God you're tough to get through to...
Ainge took over a lottery team when everyone knew Garnett was wanting out of Minnesota. It was easy logic to see after pulling the trigger on the Ray Allen deal that he was headed to Boston. Oh my God! Amazing turn around! He picked up two hall of fame players and they’re out of the lottery? How can that be!?!?!?! Please. Ainge got Allen for massive cap relief and Jeff Green to a team that was rebuilding, desperate to shed costs and to add in youth. That was an easy target (Similar to Morey getting Hill and minimal draft protection on the Knicks picks). Garnett was had for Al Jefferson (Who became a stud and was on the rise anyway) the entire Celtics future, and draft picks from an old buddy and notoriously bad GM.
Also, in claiming Morey turned the Rockets into a lottery team, next time you’re tempted to bring that up, do us a favor. You see that power button on your computer? Press a small explosive into it and get out of the room. Morey isn’t responsible for the injuries and his full team hasn’t been on the floor together. How do you propose we improve on a 50+ win team? If I recall correctly our seasons have been consistently great in the transition period only under Morey we have now gotten young and have the ability to sustain that greatness without having to retool the roster every other season. If you can’t see that then I crown thee Stevie Wonder.
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Lottery team
Calm down and read what I wrote instead of what you think I wrote. I did NOT say that Morey turned the Rockets into a lottery team. I just said that the Rockets are a lottery team (a fact) and that they weren’t before (another fact). Obviously, the decline of the Rockets recently has been due mainly to injuries to Yao and Tmac. I guess you could argue (and have argued) that without Morey the Rockets would have fallen to near the bottom of the lottery instead of the top of the lottery. That may be true but I can’t see giving a GM the title of “BEST” just because he managed to finish as best lottery team. Most of the people posting here badmouth Tmac for never making it out of the first round of the playoffs (although that was almost never Tmac’s fault). Tmac did not win a championship .. or come close .. so fair enough, he is not Kobe. And until Morey puts together a MOREY team that wins 60 games and progresses deep into the playoffs, he is NOT the best GM in the NBA. I agree — Morey is not responsible for the injuries and his entire team has not been on the floor. Really, this season is the first time it will really be HIS team. Let’s wait until we see the actual results with MOREY’S team before we crown him. I certanly hope to see greatness. I hope yall are right about it. I think he has done a good job but I am skeptical until I see the wins.
Implication and Rationalization
aren’t a good way to deliver a point:
You: Ainge took over a lottery team and turned it into a championship team. Morey took over a contender and now it is a lottery team.
You qualified it with Morey isn’t responsible for the injuries, but then continued as though that was a valid statement in and of itself. Like I said, the entirety of the team with Morey at the helm has made some brilliant moves and maximized value for talent via trades. If you’re looking at end line championship production but want to factor health into your equation, then you will never fairly judge a general manager as their job is to get talent on the floor, not direct it, not suit up and get wins, but to make quality moves and not fuck up a franchise. It’s straight up ignorant to assume that a Morey team needs 60 wins and a deep run to be considered a good GM. Let’s face it, with Morey’s moves we broke through to the second round and really only got cut short due to injuries (We controlled the LA series with Yao).
But I now this won’t make a difference because we wound up in the lottery due to an injury year and apparently the fortunes for the Rockets are somber because of it. No great team ever has an injury hit year and winds up falling hard after a midseason trade thrown in with all the injuries. The Rockets really should have been 1st in the West but David Stern has a hard on for Kobe and wanted to bury the Rockets! Rawargaharbl. Enough with the lottery shit. It’s weak and you’ve been explained why, A LOT.
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by Xiane on Jul 19, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with the other posters about what Morey did with what he had.
Also, Yao, Artest, and McGrady is a killer combo if they all stay on the floor.
Morey can’t be blamed for TMac’s microfracture and Yao’s foot disintegration.
If Garnett’s knee required microfracture and Paul Pierce’s foot disintegrates, we are not talking about how great Ainge is. And yes, Ainge was smart and quick. AND, as someone pointed out, he was dealing with his former teammate buddy in Minnesota who still bleeds Celtic green, so yeah, it was good, but it was also not as hard as it would have been for someone else or some other team.
What exactly has Ainge done?
He had everything in place before he got there. Then he traded with McHale, the former Celt for Garnett and traded high picks to the Sonics to get Allen. What did he do really? Ya, that’s great, but he was handed both players and already had Pierce.
Plus, I’m pretty sure that Garnett learned how to act like a douche from Ainge.
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Already had Pierce
Yes, the Celtics had Paul Pierce. And the Rockets already had Yao. The Celtics added Allen and Garnett to Pierce. The Celtics have done pretty well lately. That was all I meant to say. There was the comment that Morey is the best GM in the NBA. I think he is very good but I hesitate to call him the BEST until the team starts winning more games with Morey’s players. That hasn’t happened yet. Really, if getting great players to sign with the team is the sign of BEST GM then Dwayne Wade is perhaps the best GM now. Apparently he did more than anyone else to work out the greatest summer for any team in NBA history.
DUDE
Morey is the GM not the coach. His job is to get talent on the team. The coach maximizes the talent on the team in efforts to win. So for you to say Morey needs to win more games is stupid because he is not the one directing traffic in games. And just in case you try to ridicule Adelman now, he is a damn good coach and got a big time snub for COY.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Nonsense.
Nonsense. The objective of the GM is the same as the coach — to win games. And, don’t worry, I have nothing bad to say about Adleman. I am really not saying anything bad about Morey either. I am just suggesting that the people might be crowning him a little early. This season the Rockets will be Morey’s team, his players. Those are the guys he put together for the most part. I am only saying to wait and see the results. Let’s not hand the championship rings to Miami just yet and let’s not crown Morey as GM of the Year yet either. He has done a good job but the Rockets need to start winning more games. I hope they do.
NONSENSE!!!!!!
i will end this argument tellin you that you need to just quit posting because you apparently don’t understand how front offices work. to say rick adelman and Daryl Morey have the same job you must be a bonafied moron. ______THE END
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Ok I do kind of agree with this
Partially is because executive of the year is biased by record, but he should be evaluated by his moves and draft’s impact as well
by the way, Morey took over pretty much around 2006 when he helped the rudy gay move(he was named GM at 2007), since then the record was 52-30, 55-27, 53-29 then only last year 42-40. before 2006, it was 45-37, 51-31 then 34-48(another both star injured year) if you’ve notice Morey’s team has won more games, even if you counted 52-30 as a Dawson year, Morey team still have a higher winning rate, also pretty much each of his year, Morey added a rotational player along with a younger talent
Good point
But I tend to believe that last season was the first “Morey team” … mainly his guys once Tmac and Yao were nto playing. And this season it is really a Morey Team. Those three 50+ seasons were mainly with non-Morey players. And PLEASE .. before everybody jumps on me … I know that this guy got hurt, or that guy got hurt, etc. The only thing I am pointing out is that the overall talent on the Rockets right now, today, doesn’t seem so great to me. Take away Yao and it seems pretty mediocre. Very good, solid players, good citizens, etc .. but not a lot of star power. I may be badly wrong but it seems to me that you take away Yao and the Rockets are average or perhaps below average. Sure, they have alot of good bb players — but everybody in the NBA is a good bb player.
All I am saying, and I believe it is a fair comment, is let’s wait for the wins before we declare Morey a genius. The proof is in the pudding. Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kobe are great … they won. Tmac, Amare, Karl Malone, etc are a notch lower on the totem pole. You got to win and win big to be called BEST. That goes for GM too.
see but that's jumping on a shaky scale there
You take away Lebron, and Cleveland is a bad team, you take away Dwight , magics look mighty bad. Toronto doesnt look promising without Bosh. I dont even have to take away primary stars, you take away Pau Gasol, suddenly Lakers look very beatable, you take away Kenyon Martin and Birdman, suddenly the Nuggets look shaky on the interior. NBA is a star league, you take any stars off their roster for the entire season, and they are less than mediocre. T-mac and Yao was the team when he took over for better or worse, those were the immovable objects on the roster. The plan was to build a better support structure, which he did, as the records for both years we were without both stars would indicate, the stars also played more during the 34-48 season than last season.
Without Yao they were actually quite average, almost the definition of average, both record wise and play wise.
But there is a case to be made that you can win without the “star power”
Kings got pretty close and competed for several years when Adleman was coaching(I know they were defeat by the Kobe/Shaq combo, but they come pretty darn close), and the only real star at the time really was only Chris Weber. Pistons did it with a group of misfits. SA relied on just Duncan to carry them deep until Parker develop his shot and Manu get under control.
and if you’re going evaluating Morey only years, then you cant just evaluate him on 2 years, one of those he essentially had his hands tie with Yao’s injury progression. You essentially have to give him longer time
Hey, finally you might have a point.
DWade may be the best GM in the league.
At the very least
he’s a top notch recruiter. Though I feel like his recent chain of news releases paints him as a bit of a douche. I mean, one publication he’s defending Lebron from Gilbert, understandable, the other, he’s saying the Lakers are the team to beat, then he turns around and claims that the Heat use detractors as motivators.
So all from the same camp we get “We’re not the team to beat. THEY THINK WE’RE NOT THE TEAM TO BEAT? LET’S DO THIS!” Meanwhile the media is all “Lol champions!”
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Ainge got punched by Ralph Sampson.
You can’t forget that.
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:) Nice memory
I will always think kindly of Ralph for that one…really did not like Ainge as a player.
I liked that too
Although I mentioned Ainge’s success as a manager, he was always a crybaby as a player, always looked like he was ready to cry. He was pretty good though and that Celtic team was great. That Celtic team that beat the Rockets was perhaps the best team ever.
I don’t think anybody really thought Rockets fans have a cult for Morey. But even if someone did, I don’t think we owe anyone an explanation. We like our GM for making our team better and not screwing up. Done.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
"In Morey We Trust" phrase is a bit too much
he makes great decisions and Im very happy hes our GM but lets not idolize him
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
Yea. It's not like he's Chuck Norris or anything
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That's just turrible
Ya, I kinda agree with this
I mean, we treat Morey like he’s Nick Hetherington or something..let’s wait before he comes up with a couple of masterpieces 1st before we worship him.
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by chuckhayesALLSTAR2010 on Jul 18, 2010 11:24 AM CDT reply actions
You overdo it (IMO)
Yeah, I think you kind of overdo it. I does seem like Morey has gone an ok job but nothing to gloat over — not yet. I have not seen any improvement in the W-L column lately. Everybody keeps saying we should judge Lebron vs Kobe based on championships. Why not judge Morey on W-L record? A short time ago we were heading into the season with what looked like a Rockets Big Three of Yao-Tmac-Artest that, if healthy, would compare favorably with the Celtics 3 or even the current Miami 3. If you compare the potential of that team in July compared to the potential of the current team, things have gone downhill. I am not saying it is Morey’s fault (because it isn’t) but before you crown the king, he needs to show some wins.
I think the key words in there are if healthy
Our Yao-Tmac-Artest big 3 ended up being just artest…
Quite obviously that hasnt worked out all that well.
If healthy i think every year we have been title contenders or at the very least one of the top teams in the league. But sadly it just has not been there.
I agree
But still, do we stand in better or worse position, in July 2010 or in July 2007 or 2008? Health is always an issue. The Rockets could do something this season too … but only if Yao is 100% and all the other pieces work out just right. My point is that, in spite of the best efforts of Morey, the team seems to be going backwards.
In July 2010 is the answer
Because the future is MUCH brighter and the ceiling is much higher.
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Definitely
In 2007 Bobby Jackson was considered a top quality support cast member. Now he have guys who are better by a mile.
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by RocketsAstros on Jul 18, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
his job is to get talent
get assets, ,and maximize economic efficiency. that is what gm’s do. he has done his job and then some. as far as the w-l column that is not his job.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Actually
The teams has gotten more length since that year, Overall younger, while we dont have Artest’s unpredictable play and Defense any, we have shore up that aspect some with the lengthy arms of Ariza and Jefferies(if needed). The bench also have gotten longer, no longer just relying on Wafer, now we have Buddinger, Lowry, Hill and Patterson and a potent uptempo 2nd unit. T-mac was steadly declining going into that year, He was taking mostly long jumpers, now we have Kevin Martin, a much more efficient shooter.
I’d argue the team has gone forward every year, the down year was last year, without Yao, during which we were playoff contenders until the last 3 weeks.
The thing is he has put us in a position to contend pretty much every season except for the last, while slowly but surely updated the roster to a younger team with experience with our system. The current team is built around Yao, but it’s a good enough nucleus to surround any star play we get or draft. Even the decision to take over basketball operations of a D-league team was an excellent one, RGV runs the same system as the current rockets, not only has it benefited the players we sent down, It also allow us to bring in players with experiences with the system quickly, I cannot say how many times when a player went down last year, we would call up a D-league player and the position would not suffer the drop off it would’ve recieved
While I dont like the fact that we are relying on Yao’s health to stay a serious contender, it looks like it wasnt plan A for Morey either.
SB Nation Free Agency Grades
I suppose that some of yall saw the Free Agency Grades piece at SB nation. What do you think? Knicks got A- and the Rockets only got a C. http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/14/1565487/2010-nba-free-agency-grades-lebron-james
Crazy, considering David Lee is probably a more valuable player than Amare.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 18, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
No no no no no no
No. Amar’e >>>>>>> David Lee. Not. even. close.
If you think Amar’e is bad at defense (which is really his only major fault), then David Lee makes him look like Dwight Howard. Lee might be the worst defender I’ve ever seen.
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But yet again
So what when you are paying him 7 million more dollars a year.
This is basically the same argument as Joe Johnson vs. Kevin Martin. Yes, Johnson is better, but by what? Is he 105% of Martin? 110%? Because he’s not 9 million a year better, that’s for darn sure.
And Lee’s defense is worse than Amare’s, but that’s like saying a unicycle is slower than a tricycle, they both suck so bad it’s not even a point.
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A big part of my reasoning has to do with health as well. Amare has a retina hanging by a thread and god knows what kind of scar tissue in his knee.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 18, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
But Johnson is older. Theres no arguing that.
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It's not
especially because NYK got a potential stud in Randolph and a solid guard in Kelena Azibuke
Randolph...
to me is worth watching but I look at him as wasting his talent and forever being labeled “potential stud” until he’s no longer available to stud. Then he’s just overly aggressive testosterone laden horse.
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Hard to say
Pringles the coach has a knack coverting athletic forwards into scorers for basically the shear volume of offensive possessions, unlike Donny Nelson who favors guard play, Pringles uses his guard penetration and interior passing to get his big boys easy baskets
He is 21 and this only his third year in
the league and last year he was hurt the majority of the year. He has not even played 100 games in his career. With steady playing time he will be productive.
by since86rocketsfan on Jul 19, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
But Ariza is inferior as a player because he hasn't had extended starters minutes?
I look at Randolph as a guy who is most likely to bust just because I fail to see too much work ethic. I mean he had his run ins with Nellie, and I admit Nellie can be extremely stubborn. I’m just not sure I’m feeling it with Randolph.
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Nelson basically thinks he's worthless
We’ll see who is right and who is wrong. I tend to think Randolph is going to be good, but he has no work ethic if you ask his former coach, or even if you don’t ask him
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I made sure to voice my opinion on this one.
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is it possible to spam the guy who wrote the article?.....
and can we vote to fire him????……i would rather have someone from CF or even Jerome Soloman than this guy…
ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
He makes points
I don’t agree with all of them, but it’s not anywhere near THAT bad
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remember
THAT article has us only signing Lowry…it was written b4 scola and miller becoming rockets
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 18, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Striking Resemblance
Is it me or does Daryl Morey somehow look like Christopher Nolan. Maybe this explains their brilliance.
Nolan:Film::Mitch Kupchak:NBA
Flashy, somewhat imaginative, has a great sense of what is appealing.
Morey is more of a Tarkovsky right now. He’s subtle, brilliant, and has a very good understanding of what works and what doesn’t. And he’s critically acclaimed, even if the public doesn’t quite understand that acclaim yet.
Once the Rockets have more success in the playoffs, he’ll be more of a Scorsese, Spielberg, David Lean, Kubrick, etc. – critically acclaimed and with popular support.
In this analogy, Pat Riley is Michael Bay, and David Kahn is Ed Wood Jr.
Ron Artest is Gary Busey.
by Only_A_Lad on Jul 18, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As for me
I can almost entirely do without 5 minute shots of weeds flowing under a stream. Despite that I really like Tarkovsky. But for the Rockets rather than somewhat obscure brilliance I’ll take a frank Capra happy ending in the form of a title.
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by Xiane on Jul 20, 2010 2:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I like to think it's the envious hordes of non-Rockets fans who obsess about thinking that Rockets fans are obsessive when it comes to Morey....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
this
because we know they are jealous. I mean, how could they not be?
"voted for the Jazz"
ooooh, that’s like being a pedophile – it never goes away. //grudgedave//
by ressaliance_00 on Jul 18, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW, I think the Brad Miller signing was a brilliant move on the part of Morey!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Brillant?
I wouldnt go that far. Morey either needs to go all in for that missing piece or not resign Yao next year. We are going to be locked up with the same players after Brooks and Yao are resigned. So we better hope they are good enough to win everything. I dont want to be a Fringe team the next 4 years.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
As I figure it
while Morey certainly pulled the trigger, Adelman should get the credit for this acquisition.
Adelman gets a producer credit
But Morey gets the real deal. He had to convince Les Alexander to basically pay 10 MM a year to get Miller since that’s what it will cost roughly with the luxury tax
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True on that one
I was really just speaking to Miller’s desire to play here rather than going elsewhere like some free agents we won’t mention any more on this site.
Yee of little faith....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Batman You are right
II agree with you whole heartedly as to what Moreys responsibility is., he’s a man with a plan,but the players make the difference in the w/l column, and the League makes the difference in how the game is played and who wins.
My two cents
Look, there are a handful of really good GM’s in the NBA. And we have one of them. And after enduring Carroll Dawson and the likes of his Moochie Norris, Kelvin Cato and Matt Maloney contracts, people are just excited to have an actual competent GM.
I agree that the Morey Love gets kind of out of control at times, but I think MOST are just enjoying the moment with stuff like “In Morey We Trust.”
With NBA GM’s approval with their fans, it’s like building up your credit score. It takes a lot of time and effort to get a high score. But it only takes one really bad move to bring it crashing down. Morey could make a move tomorrow that ends up backfiring and his infallible ways would be a thing of the past.
I’ll just enjoy having a guy who seems to know what he’s doing. Well. And in that, I think we can all agree.
How dare you be reasonable in this thread!
There are so many preposterous things to be butthurt about! I mean, Houston doesn’t have a starting 5 of Chris Paul, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, and Dwight Howard, CLEARLY Morey sucks! I mean, a good GM would at least have that
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Why wouldn't we be enthusiastic?
Especially when you look at the city’s other sports teams and the boneheaded moves their GMs have made cough cough ED WADE cough cough.
We all know that
The boss runs the operation there, i feel awful for Astro GMs
Morey has done
a great job, its just our players have not stayed healthy. Even if we had the money to sign Bosh straight up he probaly would not of came. I hate we had to trade Landry, but martin filled a big need. Being that McGrady, was not ready to play last year like he previously stated, i like what Morey got for him. Lowry was a great pickup and the trade to get Scola was great.
by since86rocketsfan on Jul 19, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
i would totally suck Morey off
If he let me
by basketball is cool on Jul 19, 2010 3:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Ya know
I was thinking of posting something inappropriate for the Morey love thing, but I think this is way further than I’d actually take it, so I tip my hat to your heuvos good sir.
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Yes, glad you did....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
my 2 cents is that y'all take it too far...
…I like DM, and hope that all of the deals that he makes work out for the best. But all the ‘In Morey We Trust’ stuff last season was making me sick. So I decided to let y’all have it. That’s one reason (besides my work schedule being so hectic) that I haven’t posted here in a long time. This season will be all on Morey, and I really hope his team is able to make a serious playoff run. But as a grown ass man…I really have no desire to read all of the fawning over our GM. In my eyes he’s done some very good things, and some things that I question. Isn’t that true for everyone? Maybe if his team can get into the Western Conference Finals this year, I’ll come around. Until then, I feel he still has a lot to prove. Is he competent? Absolutely. He keeps my favorite team competitive in the West. But y’all go overboard sometimes. I chalk it up to y’alls youthful exuberance. So I peek in occasionally to see what’s going on here, but that’s about it.
Give Les more props – he’s the one who writes the checks, tone it down with the DM dickriding, and let’s go Rockets!
Funny that I noticed this today
Considering that I was thinking about the “cult following” comment and the pride it seemed some took by the comment, ignoring the fact it also stated that “believed it to be a resounding success” because of the mere Super Powers of Morey. But nevermind that, everyone got played by the 3K.
My question I came up with today is… Would you feel the same about Morey if he was on another team… Or is he being given the same treatment that is given to players, which is that you think he’s the best because he’s YOUR GM?
by tandur on Jul 19, 2010 10:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
No doubt
Rockets fans have pride in that Morey is their GM but if Morey were another team’s GM I think he still gets the respect and reverence that this site shows for GMs like Sam Presti and Kevin Pritchard. Great GMs and quality run organizations get respect from basketball fans (Not just fans of clubs) and I’ve noticed TDS has a high percentage of basketball fans who happen to love the Rockets (Mostly out of love of the game of basketball).
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Yet somehow the Trailblazers thought firing Pritchard was a good idea
And no team has interviewed him yet, it’s pretty crazy.
But yes, I think I would feel the same way. The three best GMs in the game are Presti, Pritchard and Morey, in whatever order you want. I’ll take Morey. All three of them do more with the money they have than any other GM.
But it’s easy to like all of them because there are so many idiots out there. Freaking Billy King is getting another go at it for goodness sake. And for all the love that Kupchak has gotten, he had Shaq to trade for Odom and then gave away Caron Butler for freaking Kwame Brown. He’s also refused to part with Andrew Bynum even though he’s a walking injury and it almost cost him Kobe. But because he was given Gasol by the former Lakers GM/Logo, he’s hailed as good.
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And no team has interviewed him yet, it’s pretty crazy.
Isn’t he considered the frontrunner for the Hornets job?
That would suck, btw.
I hadn't seen that
But I don’t know why he’d go there. The ownership situation is horrid, unless he’s there to help them sell
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Morey
has been highly regarded bot just by our own media, but many national writers as well.
I like good GMs that does shrewd moves, though prehap not as much as I hate dumb GM that makes stupid moves(Isiah, KAAHHHNNN). I probably wouldnt be crazily giddy about Morey’s awesome moves if it werent for the rockets, but I wouldnt be stupid and say Morey is not impressive either
People also forget that Les is also one of the more shrewd owners in the league, and his team rarely pays luxury tax, Rocket often are competitive, as a team, rockets are very involved with the community as well, front-office took care of former players, and he never really force an ugly confrontation with any GM. Just a very classy organization in general. CD was on the job for a decade and he groom Morey for an year, no firing or anything
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