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Around SBN: The Worst Team Ever Projected?

Retrospective on a Discourse

Or - "False Alarm, Everybody!"

Turns out I was right - Chris Paul isn't going to be traded. First, we get the official line from ESPN:

Paul seemed to have grown amicable to their intentions after the 11 a.m. ET meeting, which according to sources with knowledge of New Orleans' thinking included Paul's new agent Leon Rose, with the Hornets represented by general manager Dell Demps, coach Monty Williams and team president Hugh Weber.

And then Chris Paul released his own statement:

The meeting went well.  It was great to get an opportunity to sit down with Coach Williams, President Weber and our new General Manager Dell Demps. I expressed my desire to win and I like what they said about the direction that they want to take the team.  I have been a Hornet my entire career and I hope to represent the city of New Orleans and state of Louisiana for many years to come.

Okay, so we can cut it out with the Chris Paul trade links. Go back to posting trades for Iguodala or Granger or whomever else you want.

Really, the most remarkable thing about this whole saga has been the ways in which people have interpreted it. For some, including many posters here as well as Woj, Chris Paul's trade request is somehow indicative of a new era in the NBA, or at the very least a symptom of exactly what is wrong with the league right now. We saw Michael Jordan, as well as (hilariously) Charles Barkley claim that they would have NEVER teamed up with other stars (then what the hell was 1996, Chuck?) just a few weeks ago, and now we saw others proclaiming Chris Paul's stratagem the end of basketball as we know it.

Star-divide

I think I've commented enough on the foolishness of those comments elsewhere, so I want to look at them from another angle. I believe that what Woj and others (including many of you) have been articulating is symptomatic of why the impending lockout may just be inevitable. I wouldn't be so bold as to claim that the attitudes expressed here and elsewhere by NBA fans will in any way direct the course of League-Union negotiations over the next year, but this discourse - the idea of over-privileged and overpaid players dictating the actions of overburdened and unfortunate billionaire owners has been deployed (sometimes more covertly than in others) repeatedly over the past several years by NBA owners, reporters, and fans.

The idea that Chris Paul's actions this past week were anything less than ordinary (there have been demands for trades to better teams going back many decades, folks, and the Rockets have benefited from those demands many times) or that they demonstrated anything more than the particular desires of a young star, is patently ridiculous. Posters on CF (yeah, I lurk there) repeatedly asserted that we were living in a new age, wherein agents and stars dictate the actions of teams.

Well, to that I say two things:

1) That is obviously not the case, or, rather, it is no more the case now than it was twenty years ago.

2) Even if it were the case, would that be so bad?

Let us consider how we live our lives. We typically believe that our individual ability to, on some level, decide where and how we'll work is a good thing. We typically think that our rights to negotiate for better wages or better circumstances with our employers are a cornerstone of a free society. And yet when we begin talking about NBA players, these assumptions (and any empathy) seem to be thrown out in favor of rhetoric about an imagined yesteryear.

In any case, this is exactly what I suspected would happen. Chris Paul talked with the team, they convinced him to lay off the trade talk for a while, and he'll probably be happy for a few months, at least. As I said when these rumors first began percolating, this has all the feeling of the trade demands of many franchise players, most of whom are simply sending a message to management.

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Rumors will return next year

Paul probably will leave New Orleans by next summer at the latest. There just isn’t anywhere to go right now, no deal can be worked that is good for all.

by Gulder_Roy on Jul 26, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly

The hornets are not the grizz, and won’t give cp3 away for what they stole pau for.

I think we should set our sights on granger, iggy, and hope the NY picks are very high, like I am about to be :)

by AllenOU on Jul 26, 2010 1:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Lol

nice, i see what you did there

by lawlruschang on Jul 26, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, the rumors will return in December

And he almost certainly won’t be dealt then.

The following year is a different matter, as you say, but there is simply no reason to trade him now, unless the Hornets for some reason feel like they’ll get a better deal this February.

by Only_A_Lad on Jul 26, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

he will leave for NYC still in the future.

Hanging around lbj and working with his posse, i just can’t’ see how Miami 2.0 in ny isn’t possible (obviously I am assuming CBA won’t affect teams power to draw 3 superstars) in the near future with melo, amare, and paul.

by AK1111 on Jul 26, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad

that this hopefully puts the “z0mg here r my idea to get granger, paul, bosh, james, anthony, and bosh in one trade!” threads to rest, til at LEAST the beginning of the season.

I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.

by BD34 on Jul 26, 2010 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

You forgot that it’s still possible to get both Granger and Paul if we were to part with Jeffries’s expiring contract and a couple of second round picks (plus filler to make the salaries match).

by Moondebah on Jul 26, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

please at least make it sound resonable

No one would ever trade that sorta trade with us for Cp3. And the more i read up on William Weslye, the more i think was the one that made Miami happen rather than pat riley.

by AK1111 on Jul 26, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

online sarcasm is impossible to tell,

unless we use Simpsons pictures everytime.

by AK1111 on Jul 26, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

if it was impossible

then no one would get the joke, right?

Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey

by olivarezq1 on Jul 26, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i got it...very funny

now we can all think of how we are going to get brandon Roy for Jefferies, a box of fruit rollups and some pocket lent

by John P on Jul 26, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pocket Lent

are the things that your pocket gives up carrying in honor of the only true son of the Holy Trousers, right?

I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.

by BD34 on Jul 26, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you run out of Holy Handgrenades, thats whats left.

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by Xiane on Jul 26, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone has invented a "sarcasm/irony" punctuation mark for the net.

I have no idea how to get it or use it. And to me it is sort of cheap and would ruin the virulent angry misunderstandings that are nonetheless defended to the death that are the hallmark of internet discussion. Something very precious would be lost.

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by Xiane on Jul 26, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

And we would lose much of the humor.

The joke is, partly, that one can’t entirely tell whether someone is joking or not. Someone might really (and has really) suggest such a trade, and that’s why it’s great.

by Only_A_Lad on Jul 26, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Post Title Laddie

Are you reading more French philosophers? The post title sounds like sounds like something that would be the topic of one of the many French “Big Idea” chat shows. You know, where two vaguely fraudulent Frenchmen spout ever more gnomic utterances at each other until not even they know their own position.

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by Xiane on Jul 26, 2010 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you reading more French philosophers?

Well, yeah, but Jean Francois Revel wouldn’t count.

by Only_A_Lad on Jul 26, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't encountered him before. Thats the problem with ending nearly everything in 1920 or so...

Looks well worth reading.

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by Xiane on Jul 26, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's interesting

I mean, he was sort of a modern-day Tocqueville, in several ways.

by Only_A_Lad on Jul 26, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

very different

from so many other French philosophers from the 70s on. You know, not associated with whatever postmodernist variations were en vogue at the time.

by Only_A_Lad on Jul 26, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

lulz

You sound like Searle.

Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey

by olivarezq1 on Jul 27, 2010 2:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

where

Do you go to school?

Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey

by olivarezq1 on Jul 26, 2010 5:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

UT Austin

I’m reading Revel’s “Anti-Americanism,” though that’s not really for anything in school (in fact, there are several things I need to be reading right now for my thesis this coming year, but whatev.)

by Only_A_Lad on Jul 26, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am in the MBA program at UT

where do you watch rockets games….normally I go to the Tavern

by John P on Jul 26, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never wanted the guy

AB and Lowry are a great tandem lets just ride them and not gut our team for an oft-injured PG

Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore

by HB23 on Jul 26, 2010 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

no no no...its clear AB is the better point guard and MUST start

you see he is a capricorn and lowry is an aquarius. So clearly AB must start. I know that Orion was rising in the night sky when Lowry was born but AB is still clearly better because the natural part of his hair shows that he has superb genetics and therefore HAS to be the most superior PG and therefore MUST start

I know people go on and on about the black cat that crossed AB’s path in 6th grade, and we all know the 12 year performance cycles that accompany black cat passes in backetball performance but Lowry broke that mirror in 5th grade and he is still paying for it

by John P on Jul 26, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

can this beee..........a joke?

Where is the simpon’s logo of approval for this joke?

by AK1111 on Jul 27, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

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