Rudy Fernandez
by John P on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM CDT
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Shooters/Guards vs. Big Men seems to be a question on this Rocket's fan mind these past couple of days.
After adding Patterson and signing Miller, together with the long list of Yao, Scola, Chuckwagon, Jefferies, it seems that we are ultimately set for the next two or so years with big men (assuming Yao can play decent minutes in those years and doesn't retire due to injuries).
Ultimately what we really need now is a young, future franchise center. As these come along only once in a blue moon we are basically going to have to keep waiting and try to trade for the player or trade for the pick to draft that player. Lets be honest folks, even if Yao does not come back as expected (heavens no!) we will still be very good at be a top lottery/low playoff seed even without the Great Wall. So then we will just have to trade, beg, borrow or steal to get that draft pick to draft the next Yao/Dream etc... The hard part about being on a strong team is that we are never THAT bad to get a low range draft pick on our own.
So that begs the question, what do we need. Really not much, other than a game changing "star" player that can get his shot when no one else can, can put the team on his back and carry us to the finish line on those close games. So anything else is just tweeking the Bitchin' Camaro we currently have. Yeah we may add a supercharger or some other improvement but we are still not Porsche quality.
Along the tweeking lines though, how about a Rudy Fernandez trade for Houston?
We have decent shooters already:: Martin, Brooks, Battier, Ariza, Bud, but unless Bud is really your backup SG or Taylor comes on strong, why not trade for Rudy F? I figure we could maybe get him for Taylor, Jefferies and Chuck. At 25 Rudy is still very young and replaces Taylor's production (if it was going to happen anyway), we get under or move closer under the cap for lux tax purposes, and Portland gets two PF's, which they want, to supply good D.
I guess we may need the Chuck to backup Yao and Miller if you know what happens, but this is just a lame brain idea.
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Herein lies a couple of the problems with a Fernandez trade
1.) He wants to start. He was griping about playing behind Roy as far as his playing time was concerned. He’s threatened to go back to Spain over it as well.
2.) He has said he feels he is more of a playmaker than Portland allowed him to be. We have a playmaker on the second squad, his name is Kyle Lowry. My hedge on this one is the fact that he would fit a great role in that second unit, able to hit his shot and facilitate just as well, which gives us a “third point guard” and shores up our backup 2 spot.
3.) Portland has big men.
The deal you proposed gets done only if they can’t package him in a bigger deal for better players. Then again, we have to feel out this new Portland GM because they fired their own top 3 GM. I think if he really presses about his threat to leave Portland would be smarter to take a deal like you offered but I feel it’s also safe to assume they’ll get better offers for him as Boston has been mentioned as really wanting him.
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good point about Boston...
he is their answer to replace or share decent minutes with Ray Allen.
Both quick off quick SG’s who can shoot the 3 very well
Personally
I feel like Rudy should go to a team like the Cavs where he can be the kind of offensive player a team depends on to score
Dont get me wrong
I am actually a big fan of Rudy, but why go for a guy that’s essentially an older and higher paid Chase buddinger with some injury concerns when we, well, have Chase Buddinger
I don't think Chase is as good of a shooter as Rudy T...
Also this puts Chase more in the SF position, which lets us trade Battier’s expiring or Ariza easier.
Screw that, trade for Iguodala!
My attempt at making that happen:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2b5fzla
Any thoughts?
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jul 29, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions
Yea!
Arbitrarily add in Denver who has made NO indications of wanting to move their premier big man and center when they have worked to add height (Via signing Al Harrington)! Makes perfect sense for all involved to saddle ourselves with Brand’s horrible contract for 3 years, tack on 6 million in addition salary when we JUST moved Anderson to try to get a bit further away from the luxury tax, AND give up almost all of our depth/useful trade chips for one player who is a nominal upgrade over our current small forward and the carcass of Elton Brand and his albatross of a contract!
Please… Just next time you see the trade machine link, assume its broken.
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again...OUCH!
damn thats harsh…deserving but harsh…
now if only you could have used your rapier like whit to stop the brooks v lowry debate/pissing contest that went on needlessly for 3 posts…
Unfortunately that debacle
was mostly made up of shouting that polls are facts and the inability to let the statement “They are both great point guards in different definitions of the term point guard.” win out.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
your sig is an opinion
and that is a fact.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
facts smacks
who cares which is better really, as far as I am concerned they are on the same team and if we have to deal one or the other we will be fine with either one starting and we are fuckin’ great with both.
Seriously, does any team have the offensive talent as spread out throughout their team as we do. Last time I checked 4 of our starting 5 can easily go for 20 pts a night on a regular basis…and Ariza can go for at least 10+ a night.
Without counting on the bench at all, thats the ball game in most games. Granted one will take shots from the others, but if you look at LA, Chicago and Miami I think we are more solid in our starting 5 as well as our 8 deep rotation than they are. Granted, we don’t have the Lebron or Kobe to carry us when everyone else is off their game (and Miami has both Lebron and Wade to help do that) but I just think we are more solid than most.
If we can get the team gelling and with minimal injuries we should be great.
Barring injuries
in my opinion we are the best TEAM in the NBA and I don’t think anyone can beat us in a 7 game series. We have everything it takes to be champions and a front office to match. I just want to see the season to start.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
I'm stiff for the Rockets too
not sure if I would go so far as to say the best in the NBA when healthy (I figure the Lakers have that until someone knocks them off) but I agree with you on everything else and I could be argued to 100%.
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I said TEAM
there is a reason I put that in caps. We have the best all around TEAM, is that better? Did I word it right this time sir? Gosh you really love to object huh?
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Calm down man
I still think as a cohesive team the Lakers have to take the top billing because let’s face it, they’re proven that they win as a unit. Hopefully the Rockets come out and do it but still. No need to get uppety because someone disagrees with you.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
that's not the point
the point is it gets very annoying when the same person time and time again always has something to critisize about but never has the solution for the problem. if you are going to tell someone how wrong they are then tell them how to make it right also. I read your critisizms on all the others you critique so its not just me. Your sig is also annoying because it is hypocritical. You attacked me for me saying AB>Lowry is a fact when its an opinion. It is just very annoying and I already have to be around that kind of person everyday.
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Don't get your panties in a bunch on a forum online
you don’t like my signature, don’t read it. If I call someone out on something I feel isn’t right I offer why I believe that, not always in the most positive manner, but I contribute. The only reason you’re mad is that I called you out on saying a poll made an opinion question fact and you continued to charge headlong into a wall to justify yourself until you caused brain damage.
Not my fault you get upset with me.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
No
You are wrong again
You sit there and you paint your opinions as facts and then when someone else does it they are all of a sudden wrong for it. And then you just disagree for the sake of disagreement and you come up with some political ass excuse for why you are right when it is just another OPINION. You are a hypocrite and that is why I am mad. I hate that shit.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
You're not making any sense.
See above.
I have an opinion, I feel as though it is correct, as most people do of their opinions. If I disagree with someone, I state why, give my reasons for my belief, and continue to discuss. You’re currently angry because I engage in conversation in the comments section of a blog. You need to pick your battles a little better man.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
there you go again with your lawyer replies
You attacked me on my post for doing what you just admitted to doing.When I was making my case for AB being better than Lowry you told me to quit passing my opinion as a fact even though you voted for AB (proving my point that you just like to argue). We didn’t even disagree but you still wanted to argue. You have a problem. I didn’t do anything you didn’t say you do when you have an opinion but yet it is ok for you and not ok for me.Now you say I don’t make any sense in attempt to make yourself look right a again. I am agry because you are being a hypocrite. You go around here attacking everyone about their opinions but when you get attacked you react the same way everyone else does. You are no different from all the other bloggers here so quit acting like your opinions are better than the next mans. You are not a God.You need to pick your battles instead of battling everyone in sight. We all engage in conversation but you insist on attacking people, there is a difference.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Again, you're not making much sense
So let me break it down for you and we’ll leave it be, okay?
1.) “I attacked you on your post.”
-I disagreed with you that a poll is a fact. Especially an opinion poll.
2.) “I voted for AB but just wanted to argue.”
-I voted for AB but I felt it was worth noting that they are comparable players in their respective skill sets and fill the point guard in equally valuable ways. That much doesn’t really seem up for dispute since numbers and efficiency flush out to near equal.
3.) “I have a problem.”
-If pissing excellence is a problem, yes. Also, I’m narcissistic.
4.) “String of didn’ts that wound up being unintelligible.”
-What?
5.) “I said you don’t make any sense.”
-That was correct.
6.) “I go around here attacking everyone about their opinions.”
-I do? I compliment a lot of people but I also disagree and we talk and learn from each other. It’s the spirit of debate. Most of my stuff comes with sarcasm and jokes in it too to soften the edges and ramp up the responses.
7.) “I react the same way everyone else does.”
-Not everyone reasonably discusses an idea or gets their mind blown by insightful posts. Go ahead and check, quite a few people have gotten my agreement or me to yield that I didn’t look at things a certain way before.
8.) “I’m no different from all the other bloggers here.”
-I am in that I am not a blogger, we are commenters. Again, the blogger list is at the bottom of the page. Also, I am very different from them as I am most likely a total asshole.
9.) “Quit acting like my opinions are better than the next man’s.”
-If one’s opinion is that it’s ok to drool on the keyboard and spam lopsided trades through the trade machine I feel as though my opinions may not be better but they may, in fact, contribute more.
10.) “I am not God.”
-That is an astute observation.
11.) “I need to pick my battles instead of battling everyone in sight.”
-I didn’t realize I’m just verbally assaulting everyone. If that is the case then certainly a majority of this board doesn’t see it. Also, as history has proven, you can’t exhaustively fight on all fronts and survive, so far I think I’m relatively enjoyed. I could easily be wrong on that.
12.) “We all engage in conversation.”
-Considering the string of rage I’ve just incurred, I don’t think this is truly conversation so much as it is one person upset that I disagree with them occasionally.
13.) “I insist on attacking people.”
-See point 6.
Conversation over—————-
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
i have learned my lesson
Never argue with lawyers, they use the skills they learn in law school to win an argument they have been proven wrong about. Its just not worth it anymore. You are impossible. You win again because I forfeit.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Dude,
I’m not even in school until August 12th, you’re just straight up wrong.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
just like everyone that
argues with you huh
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Your 13 year old-ness is showing.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
this is where i will quit and let u have the last word after
your comment really makes you look bad. saying that i am showing my 13 year oldness and going on and on with me does not make you look any better. now you can have the last word because i know you have to satisfy your ego.
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More often than not
its proven to be right, so I’ll lean to the side of I’m damn good at the very least, no matter how little you wish to concede good sir.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Would you like some representation?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I got that already
I work for my unlce who is a lawyer and you guys can be so annoying because you are never wrong about any damn thing and when you are you try to twist and turn things to make yourself look right. I hate to generalize but you lawyers have big egos and are a pain to have a discussion with.
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Chill man
You’re building a reputation for harshly attacking other members’ comments. I was just merely following an highly unlikely trade with another, but for the sake of argument I’ll explain why it might work.
First of all, I think it’s funny how just a year ago Brand+Iguodala were dubbed Philadelphia’s “Franchise Players” (we all know how that turned out) yet your first argument wasn’t how unlikely it would be for the 76ers to part with them.
Second, Kenyon Martin sucks. Awful FT % and he’ll be 33 later this year. If anything, the Nuggets would trade him away BECAUSE they signed Harrington (younger and a much better shooter all-around). Plus they’d get a young prospect in Jordan Hill
Finally, let me paint you the scenario in which this deal might work… It’s the trade deadline, Yao has been struggling all season with his foot and on his way to retirement. However, the Rockets are still fighting for the last playoff spot while the 76ers are inevitably heading for the lottery again. It’s time for Philadelphia to rebuild around their star G Evan Turner. The trade gives them that opportunity, while providing us with 254 pounds of inside presence in Elton Brand (who can play at C better than most other 6-9 players) and Iguodala.
That’s the only way I see the 76ers trading away Iguodala, but like I said it’s highly unlikely and I really hope our season goes better than that
Good Day!
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jul 30, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
in somewhat defense of BD34
I grant you he came down as hard as the banhamer (key banhammer graphic please) but the thing is that I don’t know how many people simply dropped in links to the trade machine, a lot of which didn’t seem to work when you clicked on them, and they almost all assumed that everyone wanted trade relief in Jefferies, Anderson, and either Hill or Bud. Now I am sure that those are decent trade chips etc…but replacing granger or iggy or cp3 or whoever with just expiring players and a solid role player is not going to cut it.
I am totally one of the ones who have done it too, my post was merely seeing if Rudy was a person we should think about pulling in off the edges for our team.
anyway, the main point is so many bad trade machine trades get put out there that you just get a short fuse with them….and I got to think that no team, PARTICULARLY is going to trade for Brand’s huge contract. He is an old PF with declining skills….so he can play some C, so can Chuckwagon, Scola, etc…
Ultimately besides a trade or two on the edges we really need to maybe sink Jefferies, Battier, both NYC picks and maybe one of our youth players to trade up in the next years draft or the year after that, or trade with Sac or another big heavy team to get a young Yao replacement. That or a game changing allstar is really all that we should be thinking about.
Iggy or maybe even granger are great players, no doubt, but we have a solid team. Yes Iggy may be an upgrade for Ariza but to get Iggy and give up pieces that could sacrifice getting a backup for Yao in the next year or two is really not worth it.
All that being said I will laugh my ass off if Brand and Iggy end up on our team come trade deadline.
If it seems like I just attack other posters
it’s really only because they deserve it. Trade machine abuse has run rampant here and it is extremely annoying to find people so proud that they found a trade that works salary wise when it’s a simple exercise in addition to do it. Making a trade that genuinely works for both sides seems to elude most people and they then rationalize it with “LAWL MOREY HAS TEH JEDI MIND TRIX!”
Also, your rebuttal as to why the trade won’t work is extremely weak. A few years ago, franchise players or not, Philadelphia was trying to compete then. After Brand’s injury it became apparent it wasn’t going to happen and Iggy checked out. If you’ve checked some of the news on him, Collins is pretty high on Iggy and Iggy is looking like he wants to stay/will contribute even more due to the coaching change, so I don’t see him moving in all honesty.
Kenyon Martin’s free throw percentage takes a backseat to his defense, which Harrington does not play. If basketball were all about offensive prowess the Suns would have been 5 time NBA champions in the last 7 years. Young prospect or not the Nuggets aren’t going to trade a starter for a “prospect”, especially when they’re competing now. Hill is more valuable to us than he is other teams.
Lastly, even if they hit the trade deadline Morey would be considered pants on head retarded to take on 2 years of Brand’s grossly overpaid contract for 3 years of Iguodala (Remember on the trade machine they don’t change the years left on the contract until the next season begins).
And with trade proposals, consider what you’re giving up as opposed to what you’re getting and use some sensibility. If something, deemed by yourself, is “highly unlikely” then don’t post it and offer it up as a quality discussion point. It’s highly unlikely that I willy ever plant my mighty pork sword in Kat Dennings, therefore, I do not throw it out there as something to talk about in a serious manner. Same goes for bogus trades.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Like I said
For the sake of argument, no quality discussion point here
I said Good Day!
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jul 30, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Then why did you respond initially?
By extension are we not currently discussing? I did leave plenty up there to talk about.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Look some of us have jobs and lifes...
I don’t just sit in front of my computer refreshing my browser to look for new posts to bash against
On Kenyon Martin, I’ll admit he’s a good player but not nearly worth the 16.5 million he’s going to make this year, not even half of that. So let’s agree to disagree.
Finally, I wouldn’t be at all concerned with any contract that goes past this year. The new CBA will require all current contracts to be reworked and scaled down, maybe you should write a post about it since you have all these free time
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jul 31, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Every discussion someone loses they ALWAYS do that
“Maybe you need a life” argument. Look, I was on the road for 7 hours yesterday and have been getting shit together for a move the last couple of weeks. Just because I type quickly and have plenty of common sense doesn’t mean I don’t have a life. At over 100 WPM and 95% accuracy I can type pretty much all I damn well please so long as I have the thought to fuel the words. So the length of posts has nothing to do with my activity in life.
Kenyon Martin – Did I say he was worth 16.5 million or that the Nuggets need him because they have a premium on big men? Especially their own? Don’t try to put words in my mouth because you’re straight out wrong.
CBA – I didn’t now you were part of the player’s union or one of the owners. That’s awesome. Thank you for letting us all know how the CBA will turn out before it ever actually gets negotiated!
The fact of the matter is in the new CBA there are a LOT of things the league and the player’s union will be angling for, unfortunately, they won’t get them all. The reworking of current contracts is probably going to be a concession the players will not make. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if we saw a hard cap introduced, and still then they would most likely only allow the reworking of certain contracts under that auspice.
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good points but
we would be paying a whole lot of money in salary for a while. But from a basketball stand point you make sense.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Mortgaging your future
killing your defensive strength and depth at the 3 is basketball sensible?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
It does not kill our defensive strength
because both are good defenders, We would be ok at 3 anyway. We would still be relativly young. But you are “always right” so who am I to argue?
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
The thing is,
Rudy better then a healthy Martin. Martin knows the system, and we all know he can hit the open shot. He has started before, but Rudy has not. Rudy may be more athlethic, but Martin is the better fit. If we get someone to replace Martin, like Scola, we need someone who is much better. With an improved J. Taylor and healthy Martin we will be ok at the two.
by since86rocketsfan on Jul 30, 2010 3:37 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed completely.
Don’t be scared by that =P.
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