After Striking Out on Bosh, Would Houston Make a Play For Chris Paul?
Since LeBrongate is now over and done with, I hope we can start actually talking about basketball again. Houston Rockets basketball, to be specific.
Now that we all know that Chris Bosh had every intention of going with Dwyane Wade and LeBron James to Miami from the beginning, all the idiots saying that Daryl Morey can't close on a big free agent needs to just hang up the phone and quit embarrassing themselves on local radio.
But the biggest question I have as a Rockets fan is where does the team go from here? It appears to the casual Rockets fan that the team put all their eggs in the Chris Bosh basket this offseason. Truth is that they had to know their chances were next to none on it happening. So I imagine a guy as smart as Daryl Morey had a backup plan of action. He was even quoted the same day Chris Bosh declared he would be going to Miami as saying "When you talk about a trade, our priorities are the same. We’re looking for a real top-end player to pair with Yao Ming." As much as I liked the idea of Tyson Chandler backing up Yao starting this November, he isn't exactly what I would call a "top-end player." Look, the team is really good right now as is. They can easily compete with anyone in the league in any given game. But they are still a star away from contending for a title. That much is certain.
The thing that most of the "sky is falling" fans who don't realize just how deep this Houston team is that those assets we've been hearing so much about didn't go anywhere. We still have them. And, as Tom and myself pointed out last night, they're actually improving. Expiring contracts and high draft considerations, as well as some really good young talent make Houston a player in a possible blockbuster trade. Whether it be prior to the start of this season or at the deadline in February.
Everyone is talking about Carmelo Anthony and his impending free agency in 2011. Personally, I think he either signs an extension with Denver or goes to New York next year as a free agent. The guy is a terrific player, but I wouldn't trade for him and risk losing him as a year rental or less. Not at what it would cost to get him.
No, mine and many others choice is to go after disgruntled star point guard Chris Paul. Now, before I get too deep into this, I just want to point out that I love Aaron Brooks. I think he is a terrific player and possibly the heart of this current team. And I wouldn't let him go for just any player. But for Chris Paul, I would personally drive to Aaron's house and help him pack for New Orleans if he needed an extra hand.
The biggest question is if it is possible. Well, almost anything is possible when a player becomes unhappy with the direction his current team is heading in. People are already talking about Paul becoming the next Garnett, where he was just wasting away in Minnesota. The team is rumored to be about ready to have a fire sale in New Orleans, so he is believed to be available. No matter what Hornets president Hugh Weber says. The biggest pitfall would be the idea of New Orleans trading him within the division, only to watch him lay the smack down on them six times per year over the next few seasons. But, if Houston can offer the best package for their franchise going forward, I have to believe that wouldn't stop them from signing off on the deal.
It was rumored that Portland almost got Paul in a trade for a package of Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla, Nicolas Batum, Jerryd Bayless and the 22nd pick to New Orleans for Paul and Emeka Okafor. Expirings, young player and draft considerations. Think Houston could top that offer? I do.
It is a foregone conclusion that any team making a deal for Paul would have to take back Emeka Okafor and his bloated contract as part of the deal. And it is a really bad deal that still has four years left on it. But one has to believe that you could do worse with a bad contract than Okafor. He would immediately become the best backup Center in the league and is decent insurance for Yao if he goes down again. Les Alexander has also been rumored to give Daryl Morey the permission to take back a bad contract if it meant getting the missing piece to the team. So I don't see Les saying no to that deal.
So, what would it take? It would have to start with Aaron Brooks, of course. Then you would throw in the expirings of Jeffries and Battier. Then, this is where it gets tricky. The salaries of Paul and Okafor easily still exceed that by about $10 Million. They're going to want some young talent and Jordan Hill and Chase Budinger would probably be at the top of their list. Now, I'm no capologist, but making this work would be tricky without completely gutting the roster. But with that base package and the Knicks draft considerations, I think The Wizard could get it done. It really comes down to if Chris Paul is on the Rockets radar and if New Orleans is really willing to trade him. I don't see why he wouldn't be on Houston's radar to be honest. But with teams like the Nets, Blazers and the Magic all contacting New Orleans about a possible trade, they'll have stiff competition in any attempt. But Houston still ranks pretty highly at offering the best package.
I'd say a deal for Paul is unlikely, but it certainly isn't impossible.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100708
Read the first point. Paul is already a lost cause to everyone but Miami.
Wreck 'em Tech! Go Rockets!
Yeah, that's what I was going to say
But I assume he says Paul will go to Miami? If that happens, the league should revolt.
Does anybody remember....
how exactly did the Heat set themselves up so beautifully for this off-season???
I remember thinking they were crazy trading for Jermaine, esp cause he was injury prone… sneaky bastards
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jul 9, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
how will
miami pay for all 4 if he went there? They would have no bench.
its not fair
they are trying to build team USA in the NBA
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Dude Fuck it
Lets trade for Rubio, Gasol, Dirk and get our international all-stars on
by NVP on Jul 9, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I say
Jeffries, Anderson, Brooks, Battier, maybe Hayes, and a 1st rounder. I don’t want to trade the Arizona boys because i fear they would be scary good
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Daryl Morey
can do it! Man I just let my loyalty get the best of me at times so don’t mind me.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
I know
I’m the same way. I just knew when Morey got here that you shouldn’t let yourself get too attached to any player. Yet, I still fell in love with Carl (no homo). Brooks stock isn’t going to get any higher than right now. Plus, he’s in line for a payday at years end. But there’s only a handful of players I’d trade AB for. Hill, well I just think there’s going to be something special about him. I can just feel it. He is ready to bust out this year. So I would keep him over Chase.
You would have to give up more than that
Im thinking both Knicks picks, Trevor Ariza, Aaron Brooks, Chase Buddinger, Jordan Hill and fillers.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
that is way too much
but then again, what do i know?
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
no no...batman you are right...this is WAY too much
what is left then:
CP3, Lowry
Battier
Martin
Scola and Patterson
Yao and Chuck…
No, one of the NYC draft picks, Bud or Hill (not both), AB and Jefferies
for CP3 and Okafor
If we have to add Battier…but only if we have to
my first post
as a rockets fan, how can you justify trading away Brooks. it was hard enough letting Landry go.
im from holland and i havent seen Paul play that much, so i dont know how much better paul is.
Aaron is very durable
especially for his size. Chris Paul on the other hand could have McGrady syndrome in his first season with us. I would take the risk though. As long as we win a ring and shut up Lakers fans as well as the new Heat fans, SOB’s!!!
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
i sense sarcasm :)
i know he’s better, but isnt it better to upgrade your weaknesses rather than trading away one of your best players for a better player while not strengthening the team’s weakness.
Chris Paul
has been considered the best PG in the for a while now. Not to mention he’s really young.
how much better...
….can yao be. there are questionmarks if he can even come back at the same level.
chuck… hmmm will never be good on offense.
scola. i dont think he can become a 20 10 guy. but will get more pts with a better passing pg.
battier. shane will stay shane.
ariza. will get more pts. he can shoot more and play defence.
martin. already producing like a starplayer.
all the other young guys(bud hill) who will really benefit from a player like paul will probably get traded away to get paul
if we have to trade away Bud, Hill and Ariza to get him what is the point
there will be no one to get better with…
Paul and Yao
along with the rest of the cast (Martin, Bud, etc) would be a combo that would ridicule the Miami “dynasty” any time they meet on the court.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
by RocketsAstros on Jul 9, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
about the pitfall...
Yeah, NO will have to endure Paul owning them within the division but we will have to endure Brooks torching us and Battier shutting us down and whatnot so it works both ways.
With that said, I think our chances of getting Paul are about the same as the chances we had for getting Bosh.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
It chaps my ass
that every time we hear about the Rockets it’s always “They need another star.” Yao is a star, isn’t he? Yea, we could use another marquee player but what determines a star? Star by its very nature implies notariety over production. Robert Pattinson is a star and look what he brings acting wise, NOTHING.
Christ, look at this Rockets team, we always say “Stars = Wins” then we’ll say “Yao = Star” But somehow, “Yao =/= Wins.” Kevin Martin’s production is easily comparable to what most star shooting guards can produce but no one wants to credit him because he’s fallen off the national media’s sweetheart list for a few years.
If we go for Paul we gut ourselves, get a backup center, and upgrade our point guard position when we really just need a backup center and an extra 3 at best. Upgrades can be had at most any position but not worth the price we would have to pay for some.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I never said Yao was a "star"
I said he is a terrific and unique talent for his position. But hanging your hat on Yao to carry us anywhere…where has that gotten us?
I said this team is VERY good. They can compete with anyone. But they still aren’t contenders. Certainly you can’t deny that.
What criteria
would you suggest makes a contender? Everyone keeps saying the Rockets aren’t contenders well what the f*ck does it take to convince people you are? Posting a 42-40 record with a roster that underwent injuries, a major midseason trade, and a 6’6" center isn’t impressive when you consider adding a 7’6" all star? How sad is it that Houston fans will undercut their own team because everyone else in the national media has said “They can’t do it.”
We couldn’t beat LA during the 22 game win streak. We did.
We couldn’t stand a puncher’s chance against LA last year in the playoffs. We took them to 7.
We can’t finish above .500 without Yao. We did.
How many times can you be told you can’t, prove them wrong, and still not be considered good? As to Yao’s status, he’s one hell of a talent, nearly un-guardable, a man who commands double teams, gets other teams in foul trouble, shoots the free throw at a high percentage, and makes his teams better. Where has Yao carried us to? Oh yea, the second round of the Western Conference Playoffs. This roster is yet to play together as assembled and even in it’s Yao-less incarnation put the pieces together pretty quick once they were all on the floor. Who knows what last year’s record would have been with our guys we got at the end of the year (if we started with them). I think they sneak into the playoffs if they had our current roster at the start of last year (Sans-Yao, of course).
As far as what star power does, I don’t think it does anything if you get equivalent production out of players without the notariety.
But Kevin Martin and Aaron Brooks don’t count for squat, do they?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
by BD34 on Jul 9, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to add
I’m not just blindly going down on my team. I feel as though Rockets fans are extremely pessemistic and I’m a freaking Bills fan. At least over on Buffalo Rumbling’s (SB Nation’s Buffalo Bills site) they have fans getting PUMPED for next season and talking about contending for the playoffs for that team (Equivalent to Houston title talk). Might it be fool hardy? Yes. Might it be true? This team can be great if you look at them earnestly and honestly. Why are we, as Rockets fans taking a steaming dump on our team as title contenders when even Bills fans can muster a might “FUCK YEA!” for the upcoming season?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree
I think the team is 55 wins good right now. But they’ll need a lot of luck (injuries, upsets, etc) to win the West as is. Not saying it is impossible. Just unlikely.
Your luck list
applies to every single team in the NBA though. I’m gonna vomit saying this, but I think Jerome Solomon’s attitude is right in some respect. Rockets fans assume their roster, as assembled can’t produce anything worthwhile, so they settle for small things and lowered expectations. When a quality product arrives, they downplay it and assume it can’t get the job done for being so jaded for years after having back to back titles in living memory. Rockets fans need to get excited about next season, not convince ourselves that we can’t compete.
Demand the most of your team, create that culture of excellence, stop pissing on the excellence you have in front of you because it’s not a roster like Miami’s or LA’s people!
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
by BD34 on Jul 9, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
can you name me a single team other than the detroit pistons that won a championship in the 2000s without at least two star-level players
That’s the first criteria of a championship. Stars. The Pistons won because they had a cohesiveness unlike any starting lineup we’ve seen since.
The Dream Shake ...on Twitter.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
I'm still not buying it
Just because it’s an accepted formula does that mean that it is the only way? If anything it’s shifting to three viable/capable players the way the Celtics/Lakers have proven, should we all bumrush for 3 stars and consider the rest of the league irrelavent? My point being, just because it’s been an accepted paradigm doesn’t mean it’s the only way it can be done. Slavery used to be the accepted paradigm in this country and we shifted away, for the better, no?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
And this is why Houston fans
are content with the Rockets just being a 2nd round team. Or the Texans being 9-7.
Which aspect?
That I see a quality team assembled and expect it to perform or because we’re so focused on the success of others that we downplay any quality in Houston? Maybe it’s years of excruciating disappointment as a Bills fan but Houston fans are a miserable lot with quality right in their laps. Getting to the finish line and failing 4 times in a row has endeared me to see the quality assembled and expect it to make a drive, then be pissed if it craps out on you because you KNOW that you have something that should be more juggernaut than barely viable.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
We obviously have a quality team
But that doesn’t mean that we’re a top 2 team in the league. We aren’t. It’s that simple. We’re absolutely more than just viable, but we aren’t up to par of a championship club. I’m not being pessimistic, I’m being realistic.
Not to say I won’t root for the Rockets this year to win the whole thing, but my expectations, at the highest, will be a WC finals berth. And a lot has to go right for that to happen.
The Dream Shake ...on Twitter.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Exactly
Saying we aren’t a title contender doesn’t mean we hate the team. Or that you’re a pessimist. It’s just being realistic.
I guess
years as a Bills fan have taught me to root and pull no matter what with unbridled expectations. To me, ever year I see the Rockets with a quality roster, championship is my expectation. Like Crazy Pills said after ousting the Blazers, why should we be content with less than a title? That’s not Boston’s goal. That’s not LA’s goal…
As a result, why should we do any less? We have wing defenders to lock up any duo or trio on the court, we have enough offensive firepower with even a diminished Yao returning to stick it to the best of them. How does that not equal a good shot for title contention? Hell, you even say we’re in the mix to at least scuffle with the best of them and even win a few, whose to say that won’t strengthen our mettle and improve us? Mentally we have to improve and galvanize but this team is set, I think.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
"Win a few"
Yes. That is why you swing for the fences for one more major piece. They’re close. One star player away.
Keep in mind
I said you guys say win a few, I say it can go either way, no game is a guarantee (Shit, teams lost to the Hawks a few years ago). I think when it comes to the best teams Houston will easily break 50/50 with them. If you can get an upgrade on the cheap near the deadline without gutting your roster (As Chris Paul pursuit would do if they refused Portland’s offer) do it, shy of that, why?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Arguably
This is the best supporting cast that Yao has since coming here. No one is as good as TMac in his prime but in terms of overall depth I think this is the BEST Rocket team in a while.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
by RocketsAstros on Jul 9, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
When T-Mac and Yao were actually healthy and playing well, our bench was not that good. Our depth was severly lacking. And when we finally did add some depth, the injury bug wouldn’t fuckin leave us alone.
Exactly
Add a prime TMac to the current team and we would be invincible.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
by RocketsAstros on Jul 9, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Like T-mac makes it to playoffs
probably in a wheelchair by All-star(while voted in again)
by NVP on Jul 9, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yao might be a star
but missing a lot of games isn’t conducive to wins. It’s pretty simple, the Rockets need more starpower for the sake of insurance if they really want to compete with the best teams.
by goingforthecorner on Jul 9, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I Agree
Morey knows that one or two more role players will not win a championship. The Rockets need another star. I just hope that we don’t ruin the future for a short window in the present. It’s always a fine line between the two, I’m just glad Yao is back!
Bima Thug from Clutchfans
Wrote a very good article similar to this:
http://www.clutchfans.net/news/1563/houston_rockets_play_the_hand/
Something from the Chris Sheridon chat I thought was funny...
Knicks have almost nothing left to trade. gave so many assets away in the Jared Jeffries salary dump: Jordan Hill, a 2012 1st round pick, the right to swap picks in ’11. They are doomed.
D-Morey strikes again.
I don't see New Orleans wanting Brooks
Presumably if they moved Chris Paul it would be partly to free up minutes for the cheaper, younger Collison. Adding Brooks doesn’t help with that. Seems like they’d prefer a backup point guard like Lowry, and more value elsewhere.
i agree...
seems that if brooks leaves it would be to another team in a 3 team deal…but, do you think that a deal of
Ariza/Hill/Budinger/Jeffries/Taylor/1st rounder
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 9, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Enough Drama
Now that the drama for those mantle peices are over, lets get back to reality and focus on whats next.Any one of those mantles could get hurt at any given time,remember they’re human to,then what do you have but waisted flesh and heavy debt. Use what you got,and allow your talent to grow. Nothing works until you work out all the kinks.
You are NOT right!!
“And I wouldn’t let him go for just any player. But for Chris Paul, I would personally drive to Aaron’s house and help him pack for New Orleans if he needed an extra hand.”
NO WAY! Chris Paul is a baby, CRY BABY! Aaron is much more mature than CP, and he is still young and still learning and that only threats to be a better player!!
yes way.
CP3 is already better than AB will ever be.
The Dream Shake ...on Twitter.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Dont be crazy
It’s an upgrade, you pursuit upgrades
Chris Paul is a triple double threat every night, while I’m a bit leary of his speed after knee surgery, his vision cannot be denied. He made Tyson Chanlder, Mo Peterson, and Rasul Butler look like viable options
by NVP on Jul 9, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
freakin love brooks, besides blazing speed, making Fischer look like a little bitch, bad red bowtie and blazer, and silly glasses in the draft, CP3 is a stud (even though about as smart as Amare)…but probably it would take a three way trade involving brooks or lowry…
any idea of gutting our bench and all of our energy players for CP3, though, is self defeating.
We need a solid 8 person roster.
Anyone wanting to suggest trades need to somehow leave a solid backup Center, a good backup PG/SG, and a good PF at the very least…
Trading for Okafor and CP3 gets us pretty close but not if it costs loosing Bud and Hill and either Ariza or Shane.
How the hell are we going to guard Lebitch and DWade on the same time without Shane and Ariza. Lowry could maybe do spot duty but Martin doesn’t have the defensive chops.
Unlikely or not, Mike, you're kind of being a homer
Bayless, Przybilla, Batum, Miller and the 22nd pick are definitely better than whatever we could throw together unless we threw in Martin.
Also, where is the substantiation for why you think New Orleans is having a fire sale that hasn’t been refuted by the NO management? Further, where is the substantiation for whether Chris Paul is genuinely upset in New Orleans, as compared to him just wanting to have pieces added to his team?
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
Whether Chris Paul
Is disgruntle or not is one thing, but Darren Collison filled in so well last year, that Chris Paul no longer seen as untouchable, to the point that they could possible cash Paul into some more pieces
by NVP on Jul 9, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It is well documented
that the team is in a financial crunch. And management ALWAYS says that isn’t true because what fan wants to buy tickets to go see a team rebuild and trade off all its marquee players?
As far as beating the trade package, maybe. Maybe not. But, dude, I am the farthest thing from a homer you’ll find. Trust me.
If I'm looking to buy a team
and you trade out the best chance I have to sell tickets to shave a few dollars off what I owe in salary, I’m telling you to piss off. I’m buying a franchise because I want to make money, not save it. If New Orleans gets rid of Paul they get some salary, sure, but where’s your marquee money maker to replace him? From a business standpoint the only reason you trade Paul is to hold onto the team and save yourself salary money. If you’re looking to buy, you want that money maker, start swapping pieces and bring in more, not ship out your primary meal ticket.
For basketball teams looking to prey upon it, it makes basketball financial sense, but if you’re selling or buying the team, it’s a bad move, which I think diminishes the reality that Paul gets moved. Unless the new owner is a little off his rocker (In my opinon) that he would like to buy a franchise, sell no tickets, and still pay out salaries. Though where the revenue will come from, I have no clue.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Thats why you trade for Paul and Okafor. Give the team a legit chance to start over. If the Nets had value, a Hornets team minus Paul and Okafor has value.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 10, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll be on Sports Radio 610 tomorrow talking about this
I’ll let you guys know when…you know, if you’re bored.
REALLY bored
just kidding…good luck on the show
Ha! Thanks.
Someone has to get them to stop talking about LeBron Judas for more than six seconds…might as well be me.
Anybody think the Cavs
will try and trade their players? Maybe Anderson Varejao?
I was really excited about the possibility of adding Varejao
…until I saw his contract. He would fit in greatas far as team culture, but not at $7 mil a year. The Cavs literally sold themselves out for Lebron.
hahahaa
thats a joke right? honestly would there be ANY way to get chris paul w/o giving up aaron or yao? ANY way???
resign t-mac 2010-2011by rocketballa4life on Jul 9, 2010 5:01 PM CDT reply actions
Marc Gasol or Thabeet?
Not even sure if it’s possible. Both are cheap (at least for this year).
cant believe this
espn analysts were asked to rank the top teams entering next season…we made the top 5 list not once but twice. and hollinger wasnt one of them! guess they believe in yao coming back strong
CP3 is half-way out the door
The deal to buy the Hornets by local money is in danger of collapsing.
Shinn then has incentive to cut costs.
They listened to trade offers instead of slamming door.
Chris Paul has moved from I’m a Hornet for life to I want to win now and is edging very close to asking for a trade.
Houston can offer Battier,Hill,Brooks and up to 3 Firsts over next 3 yrs. Side trade of Jeffries for Posey.
Save $2.4mil plus replace 2 players w/4,saving more on filling out roster. Get the $3mil in cash to pocket. Can sell as giving Paul the chance he deserves while stocking up on draft picks and young talent.
3 first over
the next 3 years? thats way too much.. they would prolly trade paul if we gave them 3 first round picks alone without any of the players but the salaries wouldnt match out for us
Two picks for Ron Artest
Three picks,one in a yr the Rockets have 2 picks,for Chris Paul is worth it to me.
It’d be worth it to me,but that’s just my opinion.
We have to keep in mind it’s not just Houston NO would be talking to,the Rockets would have to come up w/the BEST OFFER FOR NO,not the least we’d be willing to give.

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