Basic Scouting Report On Newest Rocket Courtney Lee
Remember, Courtney Lee is the same dude who was the centerpiece for New Jersey in the Vince Carter deal. That said, I'm well aware that Carter was a shell of his former self at that point, but still: it's nice to know that the Rockets have acquired a player who they, as well as many teams around the league, have coveted for quite some time.
To begin, here is Sebastian Pruiti's brief take on Lee. Pruiti is the manager of Nets Are Scorching and NBA Playbook and is as knowledgeable about basketball as anyone you'll find on them Internets. Cue Pruiti:
I like him a lot as a player. It was obvious the Orlando trade hurt him and he slumped early because of it. However, he is a decent shooter, a guy who can get out and run and play very good defense. He is almost a poor man's Battier. Would have loved to see him play under Avery, but the Nets had too many wings and someone had to go.
[On his potential as a starter and his capacity to develop further]:
[ He can be] a starting [guard] in the league. Right now he is a really good off-the-bench guy for the Rockets. Could start due to injury though and there won't be much of a drop off.
I think what we have seen is pretty much it. He could improve his shooting form a bit and make himself a more efficient shooter than he already is. But he was never a super high upside guy who was going to develop into more. Just a talented basketball player with good IQ.
After watching about an hour's worth of film on Lee, courtesy of Synergy Sports, I can't say that I disagree with anything above.
My first thought regarding Lee is that he is making a drastic role change. Last year, he was asked to do just about everything for a struggling Nets team. And while he is certainly capable of creating for himself and knocking down open shots, he is obviously not someone who you revolve an offense around or use as a second option. That said, I think his time in New Jersey gave him plenty of experience as a trusted ball handler. Heck, in two seasons, Lee has played a prominent role in an NBA Finals and has conversely played solid minutes for the worst team in the league. That's about as much experience as you can get in your first two years.
While some may argue that Trevor Ariza is the better player than Lee, that's not really my concern. Rather, I'm focused on how Lee fits with the roster, because that's what ultimately matters most. He's perfect for the free-flowing offense that Rick Adelman will likely employ with the second unit, much in the way that Shane Battier was a terrible fit for such a unit. Lee's presence frees up Battier to start once again, where he is much more comfortable. Make no mistake: Battier starting again is a good thing. He may have suffered through an ankle injury last season, but his style of play is not such that it will be affected by his aging. He is an intangibles player, much in the way Lee is. If anything, I'm excited that Lee will be able to learn from Battier, a player whom Pruiti already compared him to above.
Here's what I saw on the tape:
Defense
- Quick feet, can cut off some of the quicker ball handlers out there. Quick enough to keep up with the likes of Deron Williams, etc.
- Forced Derrick Rose into three straight misses in isolation during an overtime game. That's impressive.
- Knows how to force an opponent into a help defender. Effectively used Brook Lopez's help last year.
- Not as rangy as Ariza and doesn't play the passing lanes quite as aggressively, which is both a good and bad thing.
- Despite his height (6-foot-5), he can match up with taller ball handlers. Did a nice job on Kevin Martin when facing the Rockets. May struggle with a taller, more physical player, though.
- Opponents shot 33.8% against Lee in isolation situations last year.
- Decent at getting through picks, but can get caught pretty easily. Does a nice job of trailing if beat, if that's any consolation.
- Closes out nicely against jump shooters, gets a hand up every time.
Offense
- Quick shot release. Can catch and shoot very quickly.
- Natural form, rhythm to his shot, unlike Ariza, who essentially picked up the outside shot five years into his career.
- Can elevate easily off the dribble. Here's a good example.
- Generally looks like a natural basketball player. Has a good IQ, understanding of where to be on offense, how to spread the floor. Likes the short jumper in the corner and shows for post players if doubled.
- Great in transition, among the best regarding his transition points per possession. Good for 29th in the league.
- Can finish with both hands. Can finish below the rim. Doesn't need to rely on athleticism to score around the rim.
- Not terribly great off the dribble, but can take advantage when an opportunity presents itself.
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Dare I say it
Courtney Lee is Doug Christie V 2.0 methinks.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Not so sure about that
if anything, Battier is Christie 1.0. Christie was mainly in the league for his defense, and he could hit the open three. Sounds more like the Dukie to me…
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
C hristie could chandle the rockand slash as well
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
You may be right
I really don’t remember Christie. I try to block out those Kings teams since they got screwed.
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
really cant wait for training camp
and see how these new pieces fit, Brad Miller, Patrick Patterson, now Courtney Lee
Feeding Yao never seem easier
That's the thing
It looks good on paper, but will it translate to wins?
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All we can ask for in the offseason
is to see our team get better on paper, cause we cant see it on the court.
All these speculation and simulation can only do so much for us fans, but It certainly beats last summer where we can only be optimistic to compete for the playoffs
I am actually concenered about that last point you made about rebounding.
Yao is a terrible rebounder for his height in my opinion, Scola isn’t athletic enough to out-rebound the taller, lengthier and more athletic PFs. Brad Miller as you said isn’t know for his rebonding anymore, unproven Patterson. Jordan Hill may be our best rebounder, and we may lost someone who could help rebound on our team. Make No mistake about it, rebounds and defense wins championships. Offensive boards, defensive boards are as important as great defense.
I wouldn't read too much into those rebound numbers
Yao has maintained almost 20 and 10 for a while now and when any other player does it in the NBA he’s deemed fantastic. Yao does it it’s “Not good enough for him.”
Your point about Scola belies the fact that he’s proven time and time again he DOES get those rebounds. Theoretically, you’re right, realistically, it has been disproven.
I think rebounding wise, Houston is a special case in that they tend to gang crash rebounds leaving only the point to get out and run the break. We generally crash our SG in to the high post for rebounds (Thus a quick recovery during outlet breaks), then the 3-5 are generally fighting for the boards in the lower area, gives us time to pressure a bit to slow the opposing team’s break and keep two back just in case.
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That's a pretty awful thing to say about Yao
since few people are his height in the first place, and of those who are(7-3+), few are double digit rebounder or consider great rebounders
Rebounding is a bit of a concern, Rocket also done a lot in the department of strengthening their front court with height with the likes of Jordan Hill, Patrick Patterson, and Brad Miller, add to which Chuck Hayes has always been a highly efficient rebounder when on the court. Although things still remain to be seen, Shane Battier usually has the tendency to fill some gap left in the line up where he’s needed.
We’ll have to wait until the season start to see, but it’s not as pressing of a concern
gang rebound
That sounds dirty…………
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Unfortunately rebounding is not just about height.
It’s possibly more to do with timing, quickness, and hops than with height. Just ask Ben Wallace and pre-2008 Shawn Marion.
"Hip-Thrust!"
God damn it Tom...
You’ve made a believer out of me. I’ve come around to liking the trade.
I’m still concerned about image to our roster/the league though, willing to shrewdly export players, it’s always the last thing an NBA Player regrettably mentions during a trade “I knew it was a business.” but at least now I’ve come around to this trade being a good thing in my opinion.
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pussy....
just kidding…if Lee’s D is as good as promised and we can turn the cap space and trade exception into someone dynamite then great.
The more I watch the more I get convinced
I’m still with reservation and trust me, I can easily jump back in there but I feel like I’ve softened my stance to amicably apprehensive. I trust it, but I still retain our feelings about it.
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stop brown nosing tom, accepting
everything he says as truth.
Yea, cause the point of a discussion
is to be a stubborn chode, right? I’m getting convinced the more and more I read and discuss. Just because you’re a stubborn dick doesn’t mean Tom’s wrong. Go away.
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I think i like the trade as a while
but im not happy about losing ariza
Cue the Trade Exception+Aaron Brooks gone at the deadline talk at CF
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
who to trade next and for what position
I guess my big question now is who we trade next and for what position.
Above suggested Brooks, which makes sense as he has the highest trade value and his backup, Lowry, is the best possible starter, but who do we trade for?
CP3…really not likely now with Collison traded.
Melo…not worth it unless he signs a 3yr extension as part of the deal
Granger: not likely now that they have Collison to build with
Iggy: best possibility…but that probably means then that Bud probably goes with Brooks in exchange for Iggy….or maybe one of our PFs and Philly already has plenty of SFs
It just seems like unless we get an allstar caliber guy (probably not up to Iggy’s level) we are not going to replace Scola, Brooks, or Martin
I've run into this conundrum as well
We’ve got great assets and plenty of pieces to pull together a big trade… but for whom?
Iggy sounds like the best possibility to me, because little else, at least among “elite” players or close to it, seems to make any sense for the other party.
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I think the Rox will let these guys play and see how it goes
up till the trading deadline. If the team is not doing well, they have the assets to make a big move. If everything is going well, they will just let things play out.
by inquisitiveman on Aug 11, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
thats what I thought before we traded Ariza for Lee
At this rate Yao and Battier will be traded for who knows what…
I think anything is fair game from here until the deadline…
looks like we're short on a young defensive 3
I would love Iggy.
Allow me to play devil’s advocate and put forth the disgusting idea of Captain Jack(who is a Texan btw from Port Arthur), because god know how that team is managed
Captain Jack is 32
and does have a bit of history of being disgruntle and played on mostly undisciplined teams
but he is tenacious and nasty
He wouldn't be disgruntled here
he would be home here in Houston where he was born. That said i don’t want him here at this point in his career. Every move we make seems to get us a little younger and he would make us older. His game is aging very well though.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
ok let me elaborate.
Iggy is 12-14 mil contract the next few years, Martin is around that range. Why have two dudes making 12-14 mil a year without a legit go to guy like a Dwade, Kobe, etc. It will upgrade our talent for sure, but don’t like how the money is being spent. Need a solid go to guy before trying to add another expensive 2nd or 3rd option player.
I don't know...having two guys that can both be equal #2 options
I would rather have a show stopper like TMac in his prime, Kobe, etc…but those are even fewer than talented 7 footers. If we can’t get a Wade type player then having Iggy AND Martin on the court at the same time is almost as good
good luck getting that,
24 mil player than 2 14 mil players.
Teams that aren't desperate to rebuild now
may be by the trade deadline. It’s quite normal that an “untouchable player” at the beginning of a season is made available by the deadline for the right price.
I think it's still safe to assume
that the big prize that most TDSers are getting wet dreams to though (Granger) is off the table. I mean, this trade proves they’re building around him, and building projects take time, inherently, they’ll live with, and work with it for a while (Lest Granger really puts Bird’s nuts in a vice). Or at least, that’s what I would wager. What do you think?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I always thought grangere was never on the table in the first place
Pacers were in such a good position to buy rather than sell(and they still are with Dunleavy’s contract)
Granger is probably staying in Indy
Until he gets vocal about wanting to play for a team with a pulse.
Just saw some highlights on this guy...the dude has some hops!
He can shoot and defend! overall, a better player than Ariza.
by inquisitiveman on Aug 11, 2010 11:03 PM CDT reply actions
Oh forgot, he seems to be able to create his shots too with
that burst of speed.
by inquisitiveman on Aug 11, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, nice word that I failed to use.
“Slasher.” Courtney Lee is definitely a slasher.
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I like these two parts about the scouting report:
Closes out nicely against jump shooters, gets a hand up every time.
Opponents shot 33.8% against Lee in isolation situations last year.
These two sound like he is perfect for a matchup with Kobe. :-)
by inquisitiveman on Aug 11, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Kobe actually dominated him.
Kobe is one of those taller more physical Sg’s that Lee really has trouble with.
aside from just being generally unstoppable
… and it’s four the morning. Why does my conscience wait until now to tell me that I need to go running?
The Dream Shake ...on Twitter.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
That big philly cheesestake.
Def throwing in a few extra crunches before bed tonight.
and also he played in Eastern Confernece.
Their atrocious record besides the top 3 teams says it all from last season.
For the next couple years
Shane’s on Kobe. So even if Lee get’s dominated by Kobe that won’t matter for a while at least. And by the time Shane passes the “Kobe guarding torch” on, I’m sure Lee will have picked up a lot from Shane on techniques to guarding him.
And now I just realized that this whole paragraph is moot, since Kobe will be 32 this season and by the time Shane passes that torch Kobe will be about 35, I’m guessing, and Lee will be able to handle him to an extent. Assuming they’re both on the team in a few years…
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 12, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
if kobe is still dropping 40-80 pnts a nite at 35,
I give up all hope on beating the lakers til he retires.
actually Jordan won a title in this mid 30s.
So kobe prolli has a chance to win a few more. goddamn. already on 5….
Talk about slashing...damn...
i think i’m sold on Lee..
by inquisitiveman on Aug 11, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
When I read that sentence
I only thought of Lee in that protective facemask he had in Orlando and immediately thought back to a slight Jason Vorhees.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I've like Courtney Lee for a while
but I just don’t like Ariza going to a division rival. Now he can make us regret trading him for a long time
by clutchcitywillreturn on Aug 11, 2010 11:31 PM CDT reply actions
That's a risk that we're willing to take
I don’t think Ariza is enough to push NO any closer to competing for a Southwest title or even finish above Memphis for the 4th slot. It’s something we’ll be able to live with.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
i dunno bout that..
I kinda like the look of that team if CP3 is healthy. And Okafor will likely do better with a healthy CP3 as will everyone else.
PG: CP3
SG: Thorton
SF: Ariza:
PF: West
C: Okafor
Granted that they don’t have the most solid bench but at least they got a clutch shooter in reserve if they need it. But that’s a good starting 5 with very balanced roles on offense and a very very good defense.
rest of West is better
outside of SAC, GSW, LAC, Minn. Toss up with memphis
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
think NO is worse than Suns too?
Just cuz NO had a down year last season with their best player injured doesn’t mean they can’t revert back to their previous dominating years does it?
Suns will turn heads
They’ve got a bunch of guys that fit their system.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
that's a jump shot team if I ever see one
which not to say CP3 wont get them wide open shots
but jumpshot teams has its limits
Well
who do you think they will replace in the playoffs? I don’t think they are better than PHX, DAL, UTH, DEN, OKC, POR, SAN, LAL, or HOU. That is already 9 teams. They won’t make it unless something VERY unexpected has.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
They could maybe beat Phoenix
but maybe not, Phoenix has changed alot since last season with dumb-as-a-post gone and they got Turk and others…they could be awesome or terrible…No will definitely be better.
Also, with injuries Houston or Portland could be completely different teams come playoff times….unfortunately.
I would much prefer NO to Utah though…wont happen with a healthy Williams
Phoenix could be out of it. Lost a good player and hill/nash got a year older. And houston, portland and san antonio always having major injury problems is not unexpected. Alls im sayin is that NO was very good a couple years ago and who’s to say they can’t get that good again with an improved, healthy and better defensive team. Either way, its gonna be a tougher conference again
by Mellowman on Aug 12, 2010 3:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I dunno..
I can see Ariza having a break out season when he doesn’t have to create for himself. Having a point guard like Chris Paul on his team is (imo) going to make him way more efficient as a scorer.
by clutchcitywillreturn on Aug 12, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope so. I just like the guy and wish him well.
Even though Paul will make him a stats star i think he would prefer to be in Houston, where the team has a better shot of making the Finals and has more resources for just about everything. At least he gets better access to good gumbo.
rebounding
as much as I want to like this trade…the rebounding difference between him and ariza is hard to ignore. It’s part of what I’ll miss about ariza: he found a way to make an impact every game. Last season, it seemed to me like he would always make up for his shooting struggles by contributing heavily in either rebonds, assists, or steals on a given night. He always found a way to help the team, even when he was asked to play a role that didn’t match his skills. I like Lee, but he has some big shoes to fill.
by ghost of cassell on Aug 11, 2010 11:43 PM CDT reply actions
Good points
I’ve been all over pro-Ariza/anti-Lee folks recently (probably a bit too much), but this is a logical statement. Ariza was a terrible shooter but he did manage to do other things, too. Rebounding will be a legitimate concern for the second unit. Then again, we’ll see how Adelman chooses to mix and match Yao/Miller’s minutes. Same with Scola. He might play more with the second unit just to shore up the defensive rebounding department.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Hill is a pretty good rebounder and it may be his best strength right now
Scola will rebound as well as Hayes, Yao, Miller, and maybe even Pat. I think our bigs will do a much better job of rebounding this season so we may not be losing much in that department at all. Look at it like this, worst case scenario the rebounds Ariza would get will have to go to another player and dont forget Shane can do that as well.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Well crap
I keep forgetting about Hill. Nice.
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Too much talent on our team
you are not alone.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
I like this trade more because it allows the Rockets pay and retain Brooks when his contract expires as well
by Dream94 on Aug 12, 2010 5:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm surprised as everybody else. I think it means we freed minutes for Chase to develop behind Shane.
Lee will be the SG off the bench. I loved Lee’s spunk during the playoff run of the Magic 2 years ago.
I think this also has to do with defining the players’ roles. RA wants Shane to start. He also knows TA will want a bigger role this upcoming season and he might not be contented being the scoring option behind Yao, AB, and KM.
Yeah i really want to see how effective chase will play when given at least 25+ consistent minutes a night.
Also we need someone else now to get us on the espn top 10 haha. Ariza made it every so often.
Budinger!
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 12, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure I like how we treated Ariza
You get a young player and give him security (5 year deal) and opportunity (being a top scoring option) but only a year later you trade him because he didn’t drop 25 a night. Honestly, who expected Ariza to be a scoring machine? After being a role player his whole career. On top, he was excellent rebounder, stealer and overall defender. And now he is let go so we can dump salary… not cool, I’d be pretty upset if I was Ariza.
That said, I love what I am seeing from Lee and would take him on the team any day. Just not that way.
Reliz Feliz Pleiz! Ed, we can't stand it anymore!
agreed
look at his response to the trade on Yahoo!…pretty sad actually. He was our swiss army knife and instead we kind of stuck it in his back. I know its a businessness etc… It just sucks to see a good player who did his best and did decently well get screwed in the businesss. Its not like he was a trouble maker or a pussy, like TMac. He deserved better. Best wishes Trevor.
screwed him?
How is it that we screwed Ariza? I would agree that it is not a good thing to make a habit of signing players to long term contracts and then trading them away a year later. My viewpoint on how things went down is that management had high expectations and despite the fact that Ariza did well, he did not quite do as much as they hoped. So instead of leave him as a disgruntled fifth offensive option at a position we had reasonable depth at we traded him to a team that had a greater need for him where he has a better chance to be showcased. I do not think this constitutes saying we screwed Ariza.
I think the idea that we screwed Trevor are 100% legit
I mean, let’s be fair and honest on this whole issue. Like you said, we signed him big, expected him to emerge, and in all fairness he didn’t. The problem with shipping him out so soon is we traded for Kwiki Mart so Trevor could go back to his natural role playing off people. We essentially set the stage for Ariza to do what he does (And let’s not ignore his numbers post trade where he went beast mode in his natural position/role) best and then we turned around and said “Thanks but no thanks.”
Anyone who thinks we brought in Ariza thinking he was the new McGrady is naive seeing as how we played him out of position and asked him to do things he wasn’t capable of. We promised him the world only to turn around and ship him off to a shit team in New Orleans.
To me the most ironic part of it all is, LA was willing to pay Trevor what Houston got him for, considered Trevor to be worth every penny, and Houston apparently disagreed. Which I think is kind of sad when you consider LA fans STILL want Trevor back and look at him fondly/as a guy who was extremely important to them. Plus, LA has the pedigree that I wholly trust their front office.
Side note: Anyone think maybe we need to re-work our conditioning program? I mean, the Bills overhauled theirs due to injuries and are hoping it pays off, with the amount of injuries Houston has seen, have we been doing the same conditioning this whole time? It would suggest to me you have to update it if guys are still getting hurt (Notwithstanding fluke injuries, of course).
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to be honest with you
It’s almost always been the same 2 guys that got real hurt, One of them played year round and the other overtaxed the crap out of his body before coming(also tend to go down when we suck), rest of the roster had minor tweaks and groans, but never anywhere as bad
ya,
don’t’ think conditioning can help. Certain players are just more injury prone. Its just the way we are born man, some ppl are just more healthy than others. While others such as Kobe has a durable body and uses any remedy and vodoo magic to make it last even longer.
I think a lot can be said for conditioning
Yea, it’s only one case but it made a world of difference for him: Grant Hill.
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he may have done Kobe lvl work.
And really stayed focus on his conditioning and diet to stay as healthy as he can. But I don’t think most athletes can handle that sort of discipline.
Steve Nash
kept a moderate training program and a saltless diet to stay in his current shape
but that requires tremendous self-control, and let’s face it, it’s not exactly most people’s forte
no kidding,
even those hollywood diets for movies are ridiculous. Chicken and salad only diet, no salt, and lift every day and you too can have abs like he actors from the movie 300.
Unfair expectations
I would agree nobody who had reasonable expectations thought Ariza was going to carry the team. That aside he was definitely expected to be a more prominent player in our offense last year than he was with the lakers. The expectations I remember from the beginning of last year was that he would be featured more and was expected to maintain at least to a higher degree than he did his efficiency. This expectation was met with a lot of skepticism and rightfully so. As was demonstrated before Martin was brought in Ariza should not be expected to create and be a go to scorer. Given more time with the team could he have settled in to the role that he is probably more suited for? Sure maybe. The point though is we were a bit crowded at the 3 and the role Ariza played is very similar to that of what Battier does. With that there were issues with what roles certain players on the team would have and so management found a solution. I also know there is disagreement about where the hornets are at and whether they fit in to the playoffs. Although they are not a team most anyone would pick to be a title contender there are promising things about their team including the best young pg in the league. Ariza will also have a more defined role which he will not have to share. So he might have got a raw deal as far as getting shipped to a team he probably had no desire to join but again I would not say screwed because he is still in a position where he himself can be successful.
Well it's tough
but it is a business, and his job security didnt really go anywhere
and he is going to play with arguably the best passing young points in the league, it can do wonders for his career
There is a rumor that Posey might be bought out by the Pacers
in this trade and cut. Do you guys think he can do something for the Rockets?
do we need him?
I don’t know much about his game other than his clutch threes he made for the Celtics. I think he was a disappointment for NO…or at least very expensive.
I think the only thing we need for our roster is a young center and/or an allstar scorer. Other than that we are good to go.
I think he was a disappointment for NO
He was a bit of a dissapointment as a Rocket as well.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
One thing Lee will not able to do and TA is great at....
is making my blood boil at the free throw line!!!!
career average: Lee @ 85% vs. TA @ 65%.
This will meant ALOT to me when I am watching the game screaming, and the FT is the deciding point… yeah, HELL YEAH!!!
PS: TA, no hard feelings, we love you…. but you just suck as your FTs…
don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!
Going to throw a name out there.
Luol Deng is a good SF not superstar but good. Plays D good and is a great option to go to.
see my response above.
we dont need to replace TA necessarily unless we get an all star scorer or a young center behind Yao..
I like Deng
His contract sucks, but he’s better than any of our other small forwards. I’d take him, but would the Bulls give him up? They are looking to contend, too.
I'm content with the trade
I’m not up to the point where Tom is where I think Lee is >>>>>>>> than Ariza, but I like the move for several reasons. One, it gets Battier back in the starting lineup. Two, it lets Chase go back to his natural position at the three. And Third, adding that trade exception to the already ridiculous pile of assets.
I posted more thoughts on RD this morning, if you’re bored.
I'm not to that point
and never will be. But I think he’s slightly better. We’ll see some weaknesses emerge that I missed as the preseason and regular season commence. I do like what I’ve seen, though. Very much so.
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Last year Ariza had
161 turnovers and 121 assist. Lee only had 76 turnovers and the exact same assists per game. Ariza almost doubled Lee in rebounds and got 30 more steals. Lee ball handing skills are way better then Ariza, and his dribble penentration gets him to the rim constantly. Lee can hit his free throws as well as the open shot. The main thing is if Martin gets hurt again we have a someone with experience to fill in for him, besides Taylor who is still unproven. We got rid of Ariza because Battier can play the three, not to mess up our roster by getting Deng. If we get anybody else we get an all star not any more role players.
by since86rocketsfan on Aug 12, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions
That's great
I’m sure any team would like to save $10 million without weakening their team..
That’s assuming it’s right of course. But it’s pretty obvious there isn’t a major difference with the team after the trade.
So according to Hollinger
we didn’t sacrifice wins, we saved a butt-load of cash, balanced out our rosters and set ourselves up nicely for a future trade.
Morey you bastard.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 12, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just reading the Yahoo report on this
saw this paragraph.
Ariza also reportedly butted heads with point guard Aaron Brooks(notes), who, incidentally, did prove to be The Man, averaging 19.6 points and 5.3 assists per game en route to being named the league’s Most Improved Player. Obviously, the Rockets loved Ariza’s talent enough to give him a long-term deal, but cutting bait now avoids any locker room issues that could arise from Trevor refusing to accept a role as a complementary piece behind superior scorers…
I hate rumors. Really, really hate them. I don’t know where these “reports” came from. I know that @SpearsNBAYahoo tweeted something about it, but where do these reports origniate? I don’t know if there is any truth behind them. I know that Ariza yelled at Brooks several times early in the season when Brooks made a poor decision in crunch time (not that he had ANY room to criticize) and I remember several times that Brooks wouldn’t pass him the ball when he was open and Trevor would physically throw his arms up in the air frustrated, but does anyone know the truth behind all this?
I’m just as likely to discount these “reports” but I was just curious if there was any truth behind them.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
I actually believe this
And Spears is a damn good reporter.
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I remember Ariza yelling at players
Hard to be sad at the trade considering how entitled Ariza seemed to feel. He definitely isn’t as good as T-Mac in his prime, but his shot selection suggested he thought he was. He can be a cheap shot artist at times, and gambles way too much on defense.
I’m sure you read Red94. Rahat nailed it when he said he never felt Ariza was a true Houston Rocket.
by goingforthecorner on Aug 13, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah I agreed with that.
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BTW totally off topic,
But I’m still trying to figure out teh RJ and SA deal. It says the new deal saves them 17 mil total. But looking over it, SA saved 9 mil from salary reduction alone, but still they woulda been barely over the luxry tax. I do not see where the remaining 8 mil comes from. SA woulda been a few mil over the luxury cap, so maybe 2-3 mil at best in luxury tax payment. I’m using payroll figure from http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm . Can anyone explain to me where the missing 4-6 mil of savings for SA is coming from?

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