This week in "Signs of the Apocalypse": Scottie Pippen and Karl Malone enter the Hall of Fame
by grungedave on Aug 13, 2010 3:17 PM CDT
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PrintThere are not many certainties about sports. But one of them is that discussions about the Hall of Fame are certain to piss off everyone because it's impossible for anyone to agree on anything. Well, other than the fact that Robert Horry should be in the Hall of Fame. But that goes without saying...
Nevertheless, I think we can all agree that Karl Malone being a Hall-of-Famer is something the entire human race should be ashamed of. Moreover, the simultaneous inclusion of Scottie Pippen certainly cannot bolster any argument that the HOF is "exclusive" in any way. Talk about a drop-off. Last year we get Michael Jordan and John Stockton. This year we get the guys who would never sniff the HOF if they never met the aforementioned Jordan and Stockton. Funny how that works.
Among the thousands of individuals who have ever suited up to play basketball in the NBA in my lifetime, I do not think there is anyone I disliked more than Karl Malone and Scottie Pippen. Shaquille O'Neal is making a Secretariat-esque late run in this competition, but even he will probably come up short (because he's fat and lazy, you see). It has been well documented how much I dislike Karl Malone. The best part is that I do not even have to exert much energy in making the argument. I simply have to mention the name "Demetrius Bell" - who Karl wanted no part of until he got drafted by an NFL team. Or I could mention the fact that Demetrius' mom was all of 13 freakin' years old when Karl knocked her up (and consistent with his entire persona) shunned any responsibility thereafter. Plus, the one time Karl Malone actually said something even remotely funny was when he insulted Kobe Bryant and his wife. Not cool, dude. Not cool at all. I guess we can amuse ourselves with the fact that Malone is just a dumb redneck though...
Meanwhile, Scottie Pippen is just a bitch. An overrated, rider-of-the-coattails-of-Jordan and the byproduct of the big media market of Chicago. Basically, Scottie Pippen was Trevor Ariza. They both received exorbitant praise for playing perimeter defense better than the average person. They both were terrible three-point shooters. And Scottie was equally as shitty at shooting free throws as Trevor is/was. It is amazing how Pippen was named one of the '50 greatest' back in the mid-90s when he really wasn't "great" at anything other than whining when his own coach was smart enough to run a play for Tony Kukoc instead of the Pip. Plus, people typically just referred to him as "Pip" which only conjures up this image:
(and this Pip would probably kick Pippen's ass in dodgeball, too.)
Try as I might to forget it, but we can directly attribute the Rockets' fall from grace to the Scottie Pippen trade. No, I still firmly believe that the 1999 season never happened, but the Rockets went from Hakeem, Clyde and Horry/Sam to the Barkley years... then to the Pippen years... then the Kelvin Cato years... then to Stevie Franchise and Cuttino (who still won't pass Yao the ball). You suck, Scottie Pippen. At least I can take comfort in the fact that you make Antoine Walker look wealthy.
In summary, to quote Silky Johnston: I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I don't even know you, but I hate you. I hate your guts. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and only to you.
Ugh, I can't believe both of these assclowns are going into the Hall at the same time this weekend.
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you have no idea
Madden 11 on “All-Pro” mode is impossible to play defense with.
it turns Darren McFadden into Barry fuckin’ Sanders
This is bugging me.
I usually enrich EA straightaway on Madden coming out. Still not home, so I can’t.
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I think Pippen dunked on Dave as if he was Patrick Ewing.
“Basically, Scottie Pippen was Trevor Ariza.”
Yeah, no need to read anymore after that. Do you even watch basketball? Lame article.
you didn't look at the stats, did you
It’s kind of shocking to go back and see what Scottie Pippen actually did. (Or, rather, didn’t do)
You want stats?
Pippen’s stats in those championship years with the Bulls are impressive so you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottie_Pippen#Career_statistics
hahah
Am I the only one who is amused that your “go-to” site for statistics is wikipedia…?
instead of NBA.com, or ESPN, or Yahoo or basketball-reference. That’s good stuff there.
Yeah, linking to wikipedia is pretty lame.
Still, I think your comparison of Pippin to Ariza is one of the dumbest things I’ve read in a long time. It’s a lazy and embarrassing comparison.
Usage rate matters. (among other things.) Compair them at the same age:
Pippen
PER: 21.5
Usage: 24.6
TS%: .56
ASST%: 25.8
RB%: 11.5
TOV%: 14
Ariza
PER: 13.3
Usage: 21.2
TS%: .48
AST%: 16.7
RB%: 8.8
TOV: 12.8
So yeah. Pippen was exactly like Ariza except significantly better at everything and with all-star calier offensive numbers.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 13, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this comes down to
Dave not liking the cut of Mr Pippen’s jib. For me, I like Scottie Pippen a lot more than I like Michael Jordan, who appears to be a guy who is a devotedly skeezy asshole despite achieving all his dreams and having the unquestioning adulation of millions.
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Sure.
There are certain players I dislike (Malone is definitely one), but intentionally mischaracterizing their basketball performance only weakens the legitimate arguments against their character.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 14, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
anyway
the stats you need to compare are:
true shooting percentage
usage rate (per 40, per 48 minutes)
and PER
you’d be surprised at the results for Pippen. He’s mega overrated.
NBA.com doesn't have a direct link to career stats.
Their link includes way too many of the other stats like Playoffs, etc. So yeah, laugh all you want. Nice come back. You’re so cool.
Is there a stat for "high basketball IQ"?
No.
Dave, give up! You have no argument. Your whining, oh-my-high school-crush-broke-up-with-me article holds no water. Anyone coming to this blog and sees the title of this post will think you’re a clueless basketball “fan”. To even say Pippen isn’t a HOF is a nice opening to a joke, but then to say Karl Malone doesn’t belong either… yeah, that’s the punchline right there.
And just to clarify, I absolutely HATE Karl Malone. But reality is reality, and his accomplishments don’t lie.
hmmm...
so scottie pippen plays with mark price in cleveland rather than jesus himself in chicago. is scottie still a hof??? your lying to yourself if you say yes… pippen was jordans bitch…
by strokin_stros on Aug 14, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Pippen has sustained an All-Star level play (and PER above or around 20) for 8+ years
Not to speak of his defense, which was off the charts defending everything from the best perimeter players one on one to stealing passes in open space to blocking post up players. He might be overrated a bit, but if he had his own team and played right now, he might be Carmelo Anthony.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
Alright let's look at stats...
Product of being teammates with Michael Jordan? He had a career year during the 94 season in points and his rebounds were above average… I don’t believe Jordan was playing then.
by clutchcitywillreturn on Aug 13, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, stats are everything... ZzZz.
LeBron would be the greatest then with that argument.
Pippen is probably the best perimeter defender ever, always guarding the opposing teams best players. ’91 Finals… completely shutdown Magic. Dude defended undersized and quick PGs as well when it mattered most (Stockton, Mark Jackson, etc.).
The year Jordan played baseball, Pip finished 3rd in MVP voting, got the All-Star MVP, All-NBA/All-Defensive 1st team, led the Bulls in just about every statistical category, notched a 55 win season, and was a blown call away from going to the Eastern Conf. Finals. If Jordan didn’t return the next season I bet Pippen would still be killin it.
And those are just the CliffsNotes! He played for the Rockets for one season. ONE! Not sure what is there to cry about as it’s quite hard to measure a player in that short of a time period.
by Type G on Aug 13, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Couple of things
That ONE Pippen season was really one of the most miserable Rockets seasons ever, as I recall.
Yes, you have a point in there – it is – if Battier is valuable, then Pippen is valuable. You can’t have it both ways. But I doubt Shane is going to the HOF. THAT is the value of coat tails.
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Just to get this straight
The 1 year that Pippen played without Jordan is proof that he is a Hall of Fame player.
But the 1 year that he played with the Rockets is too short of a time period to measure a player?
Consistency in your argument FTW!
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I like Scottie. Sorry.
Hated him that one season. Liked him with Chicago.
Malone needs to go somewhere far, far away and stay there.
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
Malone needs to go somewhere far, far away and stay there.
…which is basically what he’s done since retiring from basketball, really.
by DribbleHooper on Aug 13, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
If it isn't a miserable hellhole in Mongolia, he hasn't gone far enough.
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What you got against Mongolia, anyway?
by DribbleHooper on Aug 13, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
True
Maybe he could bring his unique combination of flopping and cheap shots to North Korea
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by Xiane on Aug 13, 2010 6:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That'd be a hoot.
I’d shell out for pay-per-view to see him dunk on Kim Jong Il.
by DribbleHooper on Aug 13, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
This idea could get some traction.
North Korea is so hard up for cash that they are (really, truly) trying to pay a debt to the Czech republic back in ginseng.
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goddamn Mongolians!
Stop knocking down my city-wall!
by grungedave on Aug 14, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes he's unworthy of the Hall of Fame!!!!
14 time All Star in 19 seasons. Second all-time leading scorer in NBA history with 36,928 points. He ranks first all-time with 11,406 career defensive rebounds. He also ranks first all-time in free throws attempted (13,188) and made (9,787) and went from shooting 49% as a rookie to 78% to end his career.
2 time MVP. 2 US Olympic gold medals. In 19 years he never missed more than 2 games in a season and only 10 in his entire career.
Clearly unworthy.
I do agree
That Robert Horry should be in the Hall of Fame for the same reason Lynn Swann is in the NFL hall of fame. Statistically just above average but they had greatness that made them win.
Malone is a bad guy...
…but one of the all-time great players. Sorry, but I don’t think there’s any controversy there.
Pippen, on the other hand, is the most overrated player ever. He rode Jordan’s coattails to every accomplishment he ever had. The biggest crime was when the NBA listed Pippen on their 50 greatest players of all-time list. Bernard King and Bob McAdoo weren’t on that list. Pippen could hold their jock straps.
Don't especially care for either of these inductees...
…but I actually have some grudging respect for Karl Malone.
While I loathe karl malone
from the depths of my heart, I really don’t have a problem with Pippen. He just never annoyed me as bad as he’s(obviously) annoyed dave. (Fun fact IRL, I’m a Dave as well.)
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
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Sometimes, I guess there just aren't enough rocks.
by Dirty Socks on Aug 13, 2010 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
If I get banned for this, so be it.
Grungedave is an embarrassment to this otherwise excellent blog, and to SBN. I truly wish Tom Martin and UofTOrange would get rid of him.
by jksnake99 on Aug 13, 2010 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 15 recs
NOO!
what? grungedave is everything that’s great about this blog. He bring the whole eff you attitude and what’s wrong with that? You don’t have to agree, but common don’t hate. Leave that to Dave.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
that's foolish
this is literally why dave is part of Dreamshake, his unrequited hate
Why keep hating on Dave?
What you call ‘knowledge’ of the game is all opinion. It’s his opinion that Scottie and Karl don’t belong in the Hall. Again, it’s a fucking blog, nothing but opinions. If you think you are right about this topic, then more power to ya, but stop hating on Dave for stating an opinion.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 13, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, it's a blog...
Thus you will get your fair share of “haters” for a particular post or author. In this case, I HATE this post and HATE Dave. Kapeesh? If Dave has the balls to write inane and polarizing articles like this, then I see no problem with readers who have just as critical and polarizing comments.
It is your opinion that you hate what Dave said,
but don’t be immature and attack Dave for his opinion. Stop trying to stir up shit or trying to ‘win’ in an online argument because it doesn’t make yourself look any better to people you do not personally know.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 13, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is being immature?
I see sarcastic comments, but that’s it. And defending someone YOU don’t personally know (or maybe you do know Dave) doesn’t make you any better than anyone else here.
This article provides no credible debate or examples as to why either of these two players aren’t HOF worthy. The whole article is just whine, bitch, moan, cry. I think that’s where most of us “haters” have a problem with. I get it, it’s an “opinion piece” but a LOUSY one at that.
Just because we don't know him personally
doesn’t mean we won’t defend any and every member of this site. The Dream Shake is for many of us, at least me personally, our basketball family. I love this site, I love the posters on this site, I love talking to them about the team we all love. AND I enjoy all the articles, be they extremely objective or “Ruminants from the Bench”.
And I think I speak for everyone on this site that we don’t appreciate you coming onto our site and disrespecting one of our founders.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, next time I'll just be a sheep...
and agree with “all” the articles. What is this “our” site shit? This is a public blog on the Internet! I’m a new commenter, but that doesn’t mean I haven’t been a loyal reader or am not a huge Rockets fan. I see nothing wrong with anything I’ve said about this particular post.
I’m also a basketball fan FIRST, and I think many can relate with me on this, that when we see inane articles that disrespect the greats or the game itself, it’s very irritating. Add in the fact that the NBA is weak sauce now compared to the ’80s and ’90s. Ok, not really that serious, but you get my point.
Sorry got you confused with the Blazer fan
but my point still holds true. Please don’t come on here and agree with shit like getting rid of Dave. He’s a great member and founder of this blog. Period.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
No need to be sheared
just don’t conflate “lack of knowledge” with “deeply held beliefs”.
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Being immature?
Dave says he hates people all the time… does that make Dave immature?
by clutchcitywillreturn on Aug 13, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
no it makes him a fan.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Dave hates Karl Malone.
Big difference.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 13, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
and...
Shaq, Scottie Pippen, and who knows who else
by clutchcitywillreturn on Aug 14, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Those are NBA players.
There is a difference. Sorry if you fail to see one.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 14, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
why hate dave
when you can hate karl malone…
by strokin_stros on Aug 14, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
How about
you read some of Dave’s other stuff before you say shit like that. He knows his stuff. Just slightly biased when it comes to the Jazz, which is understandable.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
We have enough collective knowledge
to go toe to toe with anyone, and that includes Dave. Tom is the only journalist here.
It is what it is, it’s opinion, extreme as it is, it is still an opinion piece he wrote for the blog. Take it as what it is, you’re totally welcome to argue with him, but the moment you get too serious, you’ve lost. He is a Rockets fan first, basketball fan at whatever order he choose(I put booze and women pretty high up there)
That and being, you know, a cofounder.
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It's his opinion.
Him saying Scottie and Karl are overrated does not mean it’s true. You are a Blazer’s fan and probably haven’t been on this blog long enough to understand how Dave contributes. In my own opinion I think Rick Adelman should have gotten more votes over Nate McMillan for the Coach of the Year award. Why I think that? Brandon Roy, an elite and efficient scorer led that team. We went over .500 without our two All-Stars. It’s all opinion, so don’t bash Dave for stating his.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 13, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve been reading this blog for a few years and I think its excellent, except for Dave’s “contributions.” Incidentally, I agree with you on Adelman— I’d take him back over Nate in a second.
I was just using Adelman and McMillan as an example.
Sorry that you don’t think Dave’s contributions are excellent. ‘Ruminations from the Bench,’ easily one of the best series of articles on this blog, were written by Dave. Dave isn’t a serious guy. He rants about how much he hates something/someone in a funny way. Dave is all about comedy, for the most part.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 13, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly bonecrusher,
Dave brings the comedy to this blog. I love his stuff. And he does know his basketball, but we already have guys like Tom, UofTorange, Xiane, OAL and Mike to write the “serious” journalistic stuff, so he brings stuff from a different, very entertaining point of view.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Good adjective,
entertaining.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 13, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you saying the rest of us aren't entertaining? Huh? Are you?
Because there’s no fight quite like a stupid internet fight.
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lol
my apologizes. I put serious in " " if that helps any!!!
:-)
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 14, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
And your a Blazer's fan?
why do you can about who writes for this blog? We like him. So that settles it.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
In addition to being a Blazer fan, I’m also an NBA fan who likes to read other SBN blogs and appreciates it when there is some semblance of professionalism and knowledge of basketball on the other blogs.
Dave basically said that 2 of the top 10 players of the 90s shouldn’t make the HOF while Robert Horry does.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1196
I stand by my original statement regarding Dave being an embarrassment, and I would add that I think he is by far the worst NBA blogger on SBN.
Obviously the decision (ie to can grungedave) isn’t mine to make, so you can rest easy. I’m just giving my opinion that he is a joke.
I’ll continue reading this blog, even if I get banned, just not grungedave’s garbage.
by jksnake99 on Aug 13, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy shit, It's BIASED.
He hates Malone, all of us do. He hates Scottie, maybe half of us do. Stop taking this thing so seriously. We want Horry in the Hall because he had a great career for the Rockets and he hit many clutch playoff shots with other teams. If this was Larry Bird or Isiah Thomas, we may not care if they get in, because we don’t naturally hate them or the teams they played for. Maybe it’s about time you left.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 13, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that's your opinion
but I think it’s safe to say that all of us Rocket’s fans on this site love Dave. He’s like a normal, passionate fan. He says what everyone else is thinking, and just because you don’t think it’s “profession”, well who cares? He’s a fan like you and me and he doesn’t give a shit about offending people or coming off as unprofessional.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Professionalism and Knowledge
like firing a GM when he’s done nothing but turn a team formerly known as a group of inmates into a respectable Western Conference Contender?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
lol
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Paul Allen proving that he signs the checks and his minions call the shots really upset most Blazer fans.
What blows my mind is that the Russian guy hired Billy Freaking King, not Pritchard. I just can’t get past it.
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Generally banning comes from relentless assholery, not disagreement.
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Sorry, not happening.
I disagree with the post, sure. Scottie Pippen’s obviously a Hall of Famer. So is Malone, sadly. But it’s an entertaining look. We’re fans, too, and fans can get away with saying questionable things in the name of generally disliking someone. Come on, have some fun!
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"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
grungedave is usually wrong but mostly entertaining, IMHO.
Anyways, I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying this if he kept writing ‘End of the Bench’ Ruminations.
[HINT, HINT]
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Awesome!
I’m quite sure grungedave will take your comment seriously. After which, we’ll point and laugh at the Blazers fan simply for being a Blazers fan. Then, we’ll laugh at your comments.
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by bigfatdrunk on Aug 14, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
"why don't you leave Scottie Pippen alone!!!!!"
by grungedave on Aug 14, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I understand you hate, Dave. I really do.
But this isn’t the Character Hall of Fame. It’s the Basketball Hall of Fame. And while I hate both players, they’re both deserving of the Hall.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I hate Karl Malone with a passion.
If he didn’t play with Stockton he may or may not have gotten to the hall, but like ressaliance said, it’s not about character. When Dennis Rodman gets into the Hall, that will prove it. I’m both ways with Scottie. He very well may have been the best perimeter defender in the 90s, so that provides a strong case. He did average a steady 20 PPG throughout the Jordan era, so it’s not like he was Trevor Ariza. Pippen’s FG % was always around 45-46% throughout his time with Jordan. Given, Ariza did play with Kobe, but he did not average 20 PPG and play amazing defense(Ariza is a great defender, but not near Pippen’s level).
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At least you only have to endure this once
imagine they gone in separate times
Kinda like how Stockton got in last year
and Malone this year? It’s not been a good couple years for you, has it, Dave? lol
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
don't forget Jerry Sloan
Fuck all those guys.
by grungedave on Aug 14, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh of course
how could I forget!
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 14, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
my sentiments exactly Dave
Fuck Malone and fuck Quitten. Sloan and the rest of the jazzholes can go to hell as well.
Rec'd for the redneck Karl Malone picture.
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There has to be one with him in cowboy hats and overalls holding a Bass somewhere
I swear to god i seen that somewhere
yup def rec'd
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
You know what is really bad?
I am actually (briefly) in Salt Lake City tonight. (I’m driving back to Houston, and more TDS writing, commence to rejoicing!).
I haven’t seen any Karl Malone parades today, but I haven’t looked, either.
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You mean to tell us you are in hell tonight?
Just clearing things up.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 13, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
My thoughts on Utah are complex and nuanced.*
It might not be hell, but it could be a franchisee.
Utah both fascinates and makes me deeply uneasy.
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What people often forget about Pippen is...
When Jordan couldn’t get it going… Pip would step up and vice versa. You hardly saw both of them have a terrible game. Mike also RESPECTED Pip and both of them never had any public clash of egos, unlike many superstar duos.
Even though Pip didn’t have as impressive stats when he was with Portland compared to his days with the Bulls, he was still the “coach” or leader of that team, a very stacked team I might add. Sheed often referred Pippen as “Coach Pippen”.
I bet many kids growing up, myself including, idolized Mike, but the player we strived to pattern our game after was Scottie Pippen because of his versatility, defense and basketball IQ. Dude was tops in all three.
by Type G on Aug 13, 2010 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
nah why would you wana model ur game after Jordans sidekick over JORDAN
he had an excellent all around game but no way in my backyard did I pretend I was taking the final shot as Pippen lol
Jordan is the GOAT, was the only guard-before GP won it- to win defensive player of the year, his D was just as good if not better than Pips, he just was taller than Mike that made him more effective on bigger players but that was the only aspect that Pip had on MJ
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
"meanwhile Scottie Pippen is just a bitch" l..m..a..o.. tell how you really feel bud
but I agree he is vastly overrated, my brother facebook’d it best, he said Scottie Pippen is an all time top 50 Robin lmao thats the best way to put it
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
Why are there so many comments?
This is a great article. There is no need to say anything more.
Hate to say it
but I don’t agree with you about Pippen, Dave. Kelly Dwyer does a pretty good job explaining the other side.
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by bk219 on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ball Don't Lie usually sucks, but...
that article wasn’t half bad, and not because he’s praising Pip. Instead, it’s because the guy actually spits out some good examples of why Pip deserves to be in the Hall.
Here’s another good write up on Pip:
http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2010/08/i-loved-watching-scottie-pippen-play.html
And I think this direct quote says it all for us Pippen fans:
“I can’t lie, how you feel about Scottie Pippen is a referendum on how I feel about you as a basketball fan. If you don’t think Pip was one of the 25 or so best players of all time, I don’t think I want you in my life as a basketball fan.”
by Type G on Aug 14, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
KD is usually pretty good
still guys, way too serious
While you are here
Can you explain the hate for Ball Don’t Lie? I generally really like it.
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Trey Kerby seems to get hate on quite often
Though I’m not sure why
They have some interesting articles at times but...
a lot of it is just TMZ type shit with very amateurish writing and corny humor. Then again, that is in fact the jist of that entire blog so whatever.
The very best is when they say something remotely critical of Kobe.,
LIke, maybe, he’s not a generous tipper, or picks boring ties. It’s psychotic.
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They did a post on Rony Seikaly...
not long ago that I actually found amusing and interesting; about how he’s a resident Miami DJ now and occasionally does gigs around the world. Rony-fuckin-Seikaly spinning techno… who would’ve thought?
That's pretty cool.
Not “Adonal Foyle wandering the world doing good works and buying art” cool, but cool.
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If it ‘sucks’ it’s not his fault
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Wow
10 people agree that we need to get ride of Dave. That’s just laughable.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 11:42 PM CDT reply actions
No.
It’s just that Scottie Pippen has a lot of fans :)
8 out of 10 basketball fans probably would agree Pip is legit. Congratulations to the few who aren’t on board… you’re all on an island with Dave… and Trevor Ariza. Ha!
Obviously you didn't read my comments
I don’t agree with Dave. I think both Pippin and Malone deserve the Hall.
What I was referring too was this.
If I get banned for this, so be it.
Grungedave is an embarrassment to this otherwise excellent blog, and to SBN. I truly wish Tom Martin and UofTOrange would get rid of him.
And 10 people rec’d it.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Me so sorry.
Too many people commented on this post already so it’s hard to keep track of who said what. But I do know what you were initially referring to, and like I said… Pippen has a lot of fans and us fans don’t like writers like Dave shitting on him :D
Is Hakeem a Hall of Famer already? If not, then Malone getting the HOF award before him is a travesty
Pippen though was an important part of Jordan’s championships. Just sad that he wasn’t able to do anything with his fame after he retired. But if we’re just talking basketball, he should be in there.
No Hakeem's in the Hall
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 13, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Dave...don't listen to these fools...though i have to say, Pip deserves to be in it...Malone too
they were both good players, and idk about Pip but Malone’s only problem was his attitude
ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
See, now that's dangerous ground.
Any defense of Karl Malone is at best unseemly.
I’m trying to think of anything good to say about Karl Malone. He didn’t start WWI is about all that springs to mind.
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lol
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 14, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Dave's writing brings the F into Fun
as long as you don’t take it too seriously. I enjoyed reading it and had a good laugh afterwards.
by ~mark on Aug 14, 2010 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Now this is worth recing!
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 14, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
ok so I have now read this long post and the people commenting on Dave etc...
Honestly, I disagree with Dave on all points. I don’t remember the Mail Man’s personality at all to call the guy an asshole or anything but he still played for the Jazz and that was a fierce foe of the Rockets so I completely get not really liking him. But he and pippen were studs in that period and deserve to get in. Sorry Dave I just disagree.
As to keeping Dave or saying he is the worst ever or whatever. If you don’t like the post just say it. “Dave you are full of crap, look at X Y or Z stats and this proves you are full of shit” and be done with it. Why even take the time to make like a billion entry long blog argument over it. That was just five minutes of my life I am not going to get back.
Lots of articles and subsequent posts suck but if you find it crap why bother to even comment with it. I promise for every one or two crappy comments by anyone, you will find a beautiful example of brilliance and rapier whit in one of my posts to make you feel all better.
Seriously, stop making it personal and just tell whoever you disagree and why. We all know how we agree with and who we don’t agree with. MitMill22 for president, if we can ever figure out what he is saying and we can tell if we agree with his points.
No
The absurd thing is three paragraphs on the absurdity of internet arguing.
I have no real argument with either guy in the HOF, but Karl Malone was and as far as I know, remains, a brutal, whining, cheap-shot dipshit. You may have had to be there to really understand it, but please take my word, there’s nothing lovable about Karl Malone.
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no...I was there, watching them compete against the rockets
I just dont remember hating the Mail Man more than others….
You are repressing memories.
It is a common defense mechanism. Probably best left alone.
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by Xiane on Aug 14, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's good to have you back, Xiane
haha
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 14, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, and I f*ckin hate Paul Pierce and Amare
so you can go ahead and get prepared to ask the editors to kick me off the blog etc…or to issue me the ban hammer now, but I am not an editor or front page contributor or anything and I will not back down from my hatred of Pierce and Amare…so go ahead and start your character assassination against my posts if you want, I will still post my idiotic, unfounded, and irrational opinions regardless if i pisses anyone off or not
Why would that happen?
After all, it is self-evident that Paul Pierce is a tool.
As for Amare, he’s an offense-only (but spectacular at it) player who seems to turn it up his game in order to be paid. It worked. But him going ballistic on the league was as subtle as Elmer Fudd, so you have to conclude New York WANTED to be fooled. That makes him a sort of waste of potential in my book, but not evil.
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evil may be a step too far but I don't think I called him evil
not just lazy on D, opportunistic on when he wants to play for/with his team, he is also just really dumb, so dumb that it amazes me, dumb and arrogant. That is why I can’t stand him. I realize that in calling most NBA players dumb and arrogant is to state the obvious, but I just don’t think this guys has proven to me that he is deserving of the hype. Having the natural skills but underusing them because you are lazy should keep anyone from calling you any type of star.
I think most NBA players aren't dumb at all, and probably are less arrogant than
I would have been if people had both idolized me and paid me millions of dollars in my early 20s for doing something I probably would have done for free anyway.
There are of course exceptions – LeBronacle for example.
And the NBA has historically been filled with stars who refused to play D. D is tedious and tiring, scoring is fun. Sometimes a guy is so good it doesn’t matter because the offense is worth it cf Bob McAdoo
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I hate Michael Jordan.
He’s an arrogant asshole and he cheated on his wife. I guess he doesn’t belong in the HoF either.
Give me a break. I know it’s a blog and you’re allowed to have an opinion. But I don’t see how anyone could enjoy this cynical hate. I enjoy every post here, except for Dave’s. Not my humor I suppose.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Aug 14, 2010 2:30 AM CDT reply actions
I still don't get it...
Why people refuse to believe Scottie Pippen was a great player. As in, if you watched him play, you’d see why he’s an amazing player. I definitely think Pippen benefitted by playing with Jordan, but you can say that about a lot of people. Do we discount Kevin McHale and Bob Cousy’s achievements because they played with Larry Bird and Bill Russell? (Argh, I hate using Celtics arguments). To say that Pippen’s defense is above-average is doing the man a disservice. His effort, length, and instinct allowed him to dominate the perimeter defensively. I’m not happy with Pippen’s 1999 performance either, but he was a joy to watch in the 90’s.
In my best William Shatner to the Trekkies voice
You people need to get a fuckin’ life.
If you’re looking for news, or serious commentary or fair-and-balanced reporting on the NBA… you’ve come to the wrong place. If I wanted to write about serious NBA commentary with statistics and basketball-reference esque comparisons, I sure as hell wouldn’t be using pictures from the Man Show or South Park to support my “point”.
So, for all of you who are bothered that I don’t like Scottie Pippen and Karl Malone as human beings – I suggest you look up the word “hyperbole”. Learn yourselves to a dictionary and stop missing the point.
by grungedave on Aug 14, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
I agree that this is a blog and you have the right to write whatever you choose.
Just like we as commenters don’t have to like it, and we have a right to say so. As for getting a “fuckin’ life”, some of us just have really boring jobs. :P
by PurplePeopleEaters on Aug 14, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I get it now.
You were trying to be funny.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 14, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
somewhat
I really do hate Malone and Pippen and think they are horrible people and overrated players.
You hear that, people? Dave says "get a fuckin life!" Ha!
Because god forbid that some of us fans are very passionate about the game.
I hate Pau Gasol but Pau>Scottie
I think a hall of fame should have better standards than to let in someone who just averaged 16 points, 6 rebounds, and 2 steals a game. He put up decent numbers on a really good team, that’s the only reason he is even in consideration. Don’t make me laugh with that “all time great” bs cos there are probably at least 20 players every generation who could have done what he did or better. I’ll grant you that he was a very good, complete player, I just don’t think that puts him up there with the truly great. If being a “great” defensive player will get you in the HOF, why isn’t gary payton in? He was at least as good on D and scored more points….. The reason is that he was just a really good player and not one of the greats just like Scottie Pippen, the only difference is that Pippen’s team accomplished a lot that make him look better than poor Gary Payton who was stuck on garbage teams his whole career.
I just brought up Gary Payton
Because not as many people see him as a HOFer. I’m sure he will eventually get in because the basketball HOF wants to be the first HOF to induct 1000 people. The basketball HOF already has inducted more people than the baseball HOF with about half the history, it truly is a selective body.
by Bobbythegreat on Aug 14, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
For the record...
I 100% disagree with this post. Dave, I just don’t think you get it, you don’t understand stats, and you clearly don’t watch basketball.
Scottie Pippen was the greatest compliment sidekick poser for Michael Jordan. Jordan didn’t make Scottie Pippen: Pippen made himself into a fantastic great mediocre player for some great one-man show Bulls teams. Pippen proved his greatness scrubiness by carrying those very same Bulls teams to back to back championships back to back mediocre seasons even without the great Jordan. And you have the nerve to say he rode Jordan’s coattails???
As for Karl Malone, he was the elite great elite power forward actor for some of the best chokingest basketball teams in NBA history. While with the Jazz, Stockton and Malone led their teams to a number of NBA Championships swift playoff exits. Malone, himself, was known as a tough player complete and total pussy who would fight hard on every play throw himself across the court at the slightest touch even if by my four year old daughter. Known especially for his repartee constant, unceasing whining with refs, Malone was the ultimate gamer whiny assed titty baby who bitched the entire game.
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by bigfatdrunk on Aug 14, 2010 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Here's where the point is
here’s where your head is.
See how they relate? That’s essentially Dave’s piece to your post. He put it up because he hates them both and wanted to have a laugh. People getting serious and butthurt about it, well, y’all just got trolled.
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by strokin_stros on Aug 14, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
ok
I don’t agree with dave on this but give the man his credit. you have to have balls to write something like this knowing you will get ridiculed. i think it is always acceptable to express your hate towards whomever it may be. Again, i disagree with this opinion but i giv dave credit for putting it out there. i dont blame him cuz i would have done the same thing
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Wow.
All this over an article in which he doesnt even really say that they dont belong in the HOF.
From what i read the majority of the article just goes on about how he really dislikes the guy and doesnt want them to be in.
The trevor ariza thing was ment to be more of a he played really good defense and made easy shots when he could and got overhyped because of it.
Not that I agree, but I guess I could see where that comes in. He was much better than trevor ariza. I dont think too many people are going to dispute that.
i guess i'm the only one with guts to say this...
This is an absolutely retarded post. If you had any decency, you would take this meaningless shit down. Its fucking preposterous that you would even fucking think to say that either of these players belong in the HOF. Its absolutely childish to even think that you can judge whether a player is deserving of his praise based on what he did or didn’t to. Complete and blatant ignorance shown in this garbage of a post. I have absolutely no respect for the brainless infidel that is Grungedave.
by rocketballa4life on Aug 16, 2010 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You used "ignorance"
and called Dave an “infidel” in the same post.
Oh, the irony.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 18, 2010 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As much as it sucks
they belong in the HOF and I will comfort myself knowing that almost all of what you said is hyperbole and shouldnt be given a second thought except for reinforcing the fact that malone must have gotten with your mom and not called back, because as heartbreaking as all those losses to the jazz were, I think you’re experiencing some form of emotions beyond ‘hatred’…and it’s unhealthy
Fanatstic post
Hit the nail on the head for Malone…lol.
Pippen vs Ariza
Anybody who really thinks that Pippen was just another Travor Ariza is either (a) plain stupid or (b) so filled with hate that he cannot think straight. Pippen and Malone were simply GREAT basketball players. They don’t go to the HOF for being nice guys or cool dudes but for being great basketball players. Maybe Kobe raped a girl - he is still clearly a great basketball player. Maybe OJ murdered his ex -- that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a great football player. Pippen and Malone were great. They were great because they worked harder than almost anybody else ever thinks about working.
I must say
I am highly amused that people are so up in arms over an article that uses Silky Johnston as a source of authority. Context clues, people.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 18, 2010 3:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gimme Collective Soul any day of the week.
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