Is there any way that Carmelo Anthony could become a Houston Rocket?
by UofTOrange on Aug 17, 2010 1:59 PM CDT
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PrintWith ESPN reporting that Carmelo Anthony could be close to asking for a trade. It's very possible that Anthony could be leaving before the season and absolutely the case that he'll leave at the trading deadline.
First things first, if Carmelo signs his extension, he would still likely be demanding a trade, which is very odd. The Knicks just about can't trade for him if he does (and really even if he doesn't). The have Gallinari to trade, but that's really it. They can't trade anything else worthwhile (Randolph) until December or so. And why then would Anthony think that situation is better than what he already has? Let's be truthful though, he wouldn't be even thinking about this trade if it was all about winning, because the Nuggets are set up to be very good this season. So, is it Knicks, period for Anthony?
It looks like that might be the case, and the Rockets could be shunned again in the process. Anthony is the only top 5 young guy that is not under a longer term contract (Lebron, Wade, Durant, Anthony and Paul with Bryant obviously not young anymore). This goes straight at exactly what Daryl Morey has set up the Rockets to be able to do, trade for a Carmelo Anthony type, and let's face it, he's the only one out there. I don't think anyone else is even close. My gut feeling is that Morey wanted Bosh so badly because Anthony is so high on the want list that having another guy here that is young and really good might entice him. It's sad, because the Rockets would have an infinitely better chance to win than the Knicks would with Anthony over the next 3 seasons before Chris Paul inevitably joins he and Amare. And frankly, that three is every bit as good as Miami's big three. It could be argued that, given positions, it's a better fit, though I won't do that here. That's 3 seasons away though.
So could Anthony sign his extension and just choose to go to New York after his contract is up? Money is an issue, maybe not for him, but in general. The collective bargaining agreement is surely going to lower overall contracts, so signing this deal now could be the equivalent of what Kevin Garnett did the last time before max level deals were truly defined. It would be incredibly intelligent of Anthony to do just that, sign the deal with the agreement that he is traded to one of a few teams, because I can't see the Nuggets agreeing to take back Eddy Curry, which is the only way a trade can be made there without involving 4 or 5 teams. If this happens, the Rockets would absolutely be in the mix. What would they have to trade to get him? That's the big question.
I'm guessing the Nuggets would start with something like Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin and one of the Knicks draft picks (or right to the swap pick), which would get them almost all the way to the 17 million that Carmelo is owed this season. Would you do that? I've thought about that since this morning when Matt Jackson and Adam Wexler on 790 were throwing exactly that idea around. The answer is, of course you would. I really, really like Kevin Martin and think, without this trade, he's going to be awesome as a Rocket this year. Top 20 player awesome. That said, you have a backup point guard that is getting paid like a decent starter and who can absolutely run the team. You also just traded for a guy that Morey believes is a capable starter in this league. Put that together and that trade would be acceptable. Look at it another way though, has Morey ever been the guy that traded the most away? Or settled for an easy deal like that?
Nope, and while if it came down to it, I think he would accept the trade, there is no team that can even come close to that deal. So why should the Rockets have to? Sadly, the trade machine is not working for me right now, so I can't put forth an exact trade. However, I think something more along the lines of Martin and Battier would do it. Let's not get that twisted around, I think Morey would do everything he could to keep Martin here, but the Nuggets won't be looking for salary cap relief. There is absolutely no point in it. They aren't really hurting for money from anything I've seen and they have a good team even without Anthony, though clearly not a contender. So they'd want to stay relatively young as well as be a viable "if thing break right" Finals contender. So no, Battier and Jefferies with some picks isn't going to get it done.
What do you think Dreamshakers? What do you think would suffice both Denver and Houston? Notice, I didn't say what would you trade to get Anthony, so no Battier, Mike Harris, Jefferies and Jermaine Taylor opinions!!
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not going to happen...
with these guys there is no “best chance to win team” out there.
There are pleny of solid teams that are within striking distance of the Western Finals: Portland, OKC, Houston, Dallas etc…and all have some decent trade chips to offer. But these cities are not NYC or LA or Boston or Miami. These guys want to have fun and live in fun cities. If Melo really cared about winning he would not be going to Dolan’s team run by Dantoni and potentially “advised” by Isiah Thomas. Unless the Knicks pull in four all stars they are not winning any championships. Kobe wants to win and work hard to do it. Even though I hate to say it, so does LeDouche and Wade. Paul is the only one of the three, with Melo and Amare, who honestly plays hard nad is committed to win. So its not about winning or trade chips.
If Melo wants to go to NYC…and it sounds like he does, Denver is just going to get whatever than can from NYC, even if it is just Galanari. They will have no choice. Better to get that than nothing. Houston having all of the trade chips (expiring contracts, draft picks, young players) means nothing to Melo and he holds all the cards.
He is leaving Denver one way or the other, either signing and trading with a 3yr extension or waiting until the season is over.
Sorry Houston, we are not cool enough. Just be happy with hard working, humble players and try and make a run with them. The Melo’s, Amare’s of the world are too lazy to play D, take games off etc…but at least they are rich and famous.
from a basketball player's perspective I would think that Boston, with its winning history is more improtant than Houston
…not that we dont have our own winning history but I just think playing with Rondo and KG outweights Yao..
I could be wrong, I am no fan of Boston, but the main point is that these guys want to be pretty people at night clubs in cool cities. Sorry but that isn’t Houston’s main attraction
If your "nightclub star" theory were that pervasive, the Knicks would have no trouble luring free agents.
by DribbleHooper on Aug 17, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
the problem is that some of them are dumb enough to think that playing for the Knicks...
to get the night clubs doesn’t come with a cost. The cost is playing for Dolan, Dantoni and Isiah Thomas. Name one reason to play for those guys. Yes your offense stats will be good and it will be fun in the regular season but when you burn out in the playoffs continually, as Denver has done, then you will feel empty. Its kind of like eating a donut. Tastes great then the sugar high kills you.
Look, winning a championship is hard. It happens very rarely, unless of course you get a completely idiot trading partner who give you Pau Gasol to pair with Kobe Bryant.
Yes the superstars can force their will on teams but we don’t yet know if it allows them to create championships. We shall see.
If Miami can’t work because of lack of depth, too many egos, role players are shit, etc…then players will rethink their need to be on super teams. Time will tell.
If only all players could be like Durant or Roy…less ego, more butt kicking on the court, letting their games speak for themselves.
Have to remember tho,
Not all of these players actually CARE that much about winning championships. I mean they wouldn’t mind getting one, but hell ur making 20 mil a year coming from a poor ass family. Your content living the fast life, 200k lambos, Ferris, 10 mil dollar houses, VIP treatment at restaurants and nightclubs. Lets face it if your a millionaire, Miami, LA, NY, and maybe Las Vegas is where you wanna live and play. And to be honest, I do not blame them, ppl go thru law school, and med school not cuz they wanna help ppl. but cuz those professions makes good money.
Yu have either never been to Boston...
or never been to Houston.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
I disagree with only one thing you said...
Correction… LeEgo DOES NOT want to work hard to win (or else he wouldn’t have left the Cavs)! He only wants to win so people won’t hate him as much.
I agree with you
Carmelo intends to go to NY. That is his obvious desire and he holds all the cards. The only way to get him in Houston would be to Houston as more desirable than NY. If there were a way to get Carmelo for this season only and keep the other main pieces (Brooks, Martin, Scola and Yao) then the Rockets could perhaps go all the way this season. That is about the only thing that could make Houston look more desirable than NYC next summer.
Dear God, no
Carmelo is yet another guy who isn’t worth a max contract who will demand just that.
Plus he’ll demand 22 shots a game and will make no effort to rebound. And that’s before we even discuss his effort on D.
Can he get you 28 ppg? Sure, but not nearly as efficiently as you think.
pass.
Only cuz todays standard of contracts
is grossly blown outta proportions. I’m sorry max contract means you play both ends, and dominate at least on one end. Melo more or less dominates on offense in iso possessions, I don’t watch much of him anymore so dont’ know if he is even that great of a playmaker. His defense is pretty shittie. Even leclown played defense last year, with all those weakside help shot blocking. Wade is known to average 1 block a game or so and some steals. Kobe is a great defender. Durant showed he can be a good defender, and clean the boards while dropping 30-40 pnts each nite. As for KG and TD there is no need to explain is there? They are worth max in their prime, and even now a few years outta their prime.
Sure he is
If Carmelo is not a max contract type player then that list of max contract guys is very, very short.
I think Iggy would be a better fit after finding out Melo plays no D!
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
That's severly overblown
He’s actually a very capable defender, just not asked to do it in Karl’s system
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I don't think Denver would trade Anthony immediately anyway.
So something like NY not being able to trade Randolph until December doesn’t really matter too much. If Anthony is traded, it’s probably between All-Star break and trade deadline anyway, so NY could potentially put much more on the table then than now.
Why though?
They have no real advantage to trade at the deadline this time unless they think they can convince him to stay. And if he doesn’t sign the extension there is 0 chance of that. Might as well get more by trading now which they likely would because teams would know it was at least a full season rental
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My main reason is that historically that’s what seems to happen. The only big early season (and not offseason) trade that comes to mind is the Billups/AI swap. Stuff just seems to happen at the deadline. My guess is that there are just fewer offers on the table early, so fewer teams are around to push the Knicks’s offer up. Or, if he hasn’t said “Knicks or bust” then Denver wants to wait to see who might be desperate for a one season playoff rental.
As for what motivation Denver would have for keeping him: I bet ticket and merchandising sales (and maybe wins) are better with ’Melo than without, might as will ride it for as long as you can.
Denver without Melo is lottery bound
most likely they’d want to keep him till the trade deadline to give themselves a fight for the last playoff spot after he leaves. NOBODY, in their right mind, would give them any real talent for a half-season lease. At least they’re better off than the cavs, who automatically became the worst team in the east with Lebron’s departure
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Aug 18, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
half season lease
It doesn’t have to be a half season lease if he makes enough difference. If, for example, the Rockets play the first few weeks and find that Yao is fine and all is well, then adding Carmelo might easily make the difference. It could mean a championship. Then Carmelo would face a dilemna .. do you actually leave a championship team to go to the Knicks?
I think we could...
Doesnt mean i think we should…
I like carmelo and if we could get him for no more than brooks and some of our young talent or picks and expirings then by all means but for kevin martin and brooks no thanks.. id rather go after iggy and not have to give up a starter.. and as far as him not wanting to come here well thats not really his choice thats left up to his disgruntled team. And if he was to play a season here and yao stayed somewhat healthy he could really see the potential that the rockets have and that they could go alot further than denver ever did. That said i still want iggy.
No Thanks
Melo will not resign with us if Denver trades him here so i don’t want to give up any starters unless we were guaranteed a ring, which we can’t guarantee being in the west.
NY can’t afford to give anyone away, so they will just be patient and wait till next summer.
Melo will be traded to a team that has hopes of barley making the playoffs for a push or a team that is on the verge of being a title contender who can afford to get rid of a crappy player with 1 year left on his contract, like the Russian in Utah, if he has one year left, can’t remember. Think Orlando would trade Carter or Lewis and player X for one year of Melo right now? Who knows what hungry teams will do. But Denver has to trade him for something, anything. Either way, whether Denver keeps him or another team gets him, they have to know going into the trade, that he will most likely not be resigning with that team.
Any smart team out there that wants him will probably require that
he do a “sign extension and trade” deal otherwise they could be leasing him for the year.
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
This trade is successful
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2ag8j9q
Weeeeeeeeeee. Then again, we’d be selling ourselves down the river in 2 years.
He doesn't have a choice
But not staying here, that he has a choice in
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doubt morey would make that mistake,
trading for a player that is pretty much on 1 year lease.
Definitely.
Melo’s a bit happier with his current situation than Ron-Ron was with his.
by DribbleHooper on Aug 17, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
This is just the collateral effect from lebron james.
too many “super-stars” are very unhappy this summer.
Melo is OVERRATED!
And like I’ve already said in the FanPost… Melo like a lot of these young guns lack the heart and determination to win at all costs. They don’t have that ol’ school player mentality. These guys just want to take the easy way out when it comes to winning.
Rockets fans, I wanna win now as well, but let’s not have our team sell its soul or identity for the lure of a good, but not great player. I rather stick with our core group of humble, hard working guys than trade half of them away for some diva.
I've been finding out that he has no defense too. Can you find out more about what this article says:
Melo Inefficient to be Elite
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
most casual fans focus on offense cuz thats the exciting part.
Melo gets like 27+pnts per game each season. NBA standard that is elite. Name all the players in your head that used to average 27+ pnts a game for more than 1 season. Were they labeled superstars or as elites? I’m pretty sure they did. Can Steve Nash play d? Hell no, is he elite? hell yes.
Steve Nash winning championships?
Hell naw.
I had an ant farm once, but them fellas didn't grow shit
Just watch Nash win a championship this year.
Not likely, but that’d make this comment even funnier, I think.
by DribbleHooper on Aug 17, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No
But a lot of max contract guys have not won championships so what is the point?
Many players are considered elite or superstars...
but not many can win you a championship by themselves outright and justify a max contract. Sure there needs to be a Robin to a Batman, but Melo is definitely no Batman.
There are only two players who I think are max contract, Batman type players:
1. Kobe
2. D-Wade
- The rest are either on the verge, but need a few more years (Durant)
- Elite veterans, but probably aren’t worth the max anymore (Duncan, Dirk)
- Solid PGs, but aren’t Magic Johnson franchise PGs (CP3, Deron Williams, Rondo)
- Stars better suited playing the Robin role (Melo, LeDiva, Bosh, Amare, etc.). Although, LeDiva creates more match-up problems for opposing teams than anyone in the League so I can see how a max contract for him would be justified, even with his huge ego, lack of heart and posse baggage.
I like Rondo and all, but
I don’t think hes in the same class as Deron Williams or CP3. i think hes still 1 tier lower until he can shoot a goddamn free throw and a jumpshot. Duncan is still close to max, even if his offensive productions aren’t near his prime, his defense anchors that team. And he still gets u 20/10.
I'd take Rondo over CP3, but not over D-Will of course.
Either way, non of those guys are a Magic Johnson/Point God, which was the point I was trying to make. I’ll give you the argument over Duncan though. I actually initially had him listed #3 after D-Wade, but wasn’t entirely comfortable that a team would offer him a long term max.
Rondo > CP3 simply for the fact that Rondo isn’t a diva. CP3 just signed with LeBron’s group of handlers/agents so he’s just gonna get worse.
Well I woulnd't give Duncan a NEW deal,
but hes definitely worth the back of his contract. And hes not getting max btw. He took a salary cut on the back-end of his salary when he signed it so the Spurs could have cap to sign new players.
Rondos in a good situation, he hasn’t had the chance to be dis grunted yet. Maybe when Allen and KG retires, and hes stuck playing with a fatter older Paul Pierce in the middle of his 4 year deal sucking the life outta the team, Rondo will demand trades too.
To me max players are only ones that can play great defense and offense which i agree
with you like Kobe and Wade. Duncan is older now, but he was a max type player also.
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody is max contract
If the guy has to “win a championship by themselves outight”. Nobody has ever done that. The closest ever was perhaps Jabbar at Milw but he did have a pretty good PG. Who else has even come close to doing it alone? I mean, who has ever really carried a bad team all the way to a championship? Who has come closest to that — Jabbar at Milw or maybe even Olajowon with the Rockets. But that is not what max contract means. At least I don’t think that is what it means. Yao, if healthy, is a max contract man. So is Lebron (for sure). Wade, Amare, Carmelo, Kobe, Duncan (still), Dirk, Paul (if healthy) and others. Max contract guys are those that can mean the a big difference in wins.
Sam Cassel, Robert Horry, Mario Ellie, kenny smith.....
those players aren’t srubs neither, just young at the time.
Kenny smith was still averaging 12-14 pnts a game wasn't he?
No all star, but still a good 2nd scorer.
couldn't agree more!
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 17, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
But for a team who isn’t going to compete with the top 5 teams in the East with the Roster and style that they are employing now – This trade makes the Pacers the fastest team in the East and a young, fun team to play for. Draft a Center next year and they are in way better shape than before – a la OKC Thunder
i looked at your trade scenario and all 3 teams have minus wins.....lol
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is usually wrong during the offseason...
considering it uses the previous years PER Rating, which comes from entirely different rosters
Time to cue up
9001 “z0mg Houston has teh best package 4 Melo! We r can has have to get hum!”
Then after he signs an extension or lets his contract expire (Either way he goes to New York):
“F*ck Melo! We dun need him! He r inefficient n doesn’t kno a tru winner!”
Let’s be frank and honest with ourselves Dream Shakers. Carmelo knows he wants to be in New York, New York will salvage what they can and go with the TPE if all else fails. If anything, you’re in denial if you don’t think New York can’t give Denver SOMETHING for a player that is inevitably going to leave them. Miami proved it forcing Cleveland and Toronto to basically choke down a TPE and a kick in the nuts for Bosh and Douche. No team in their right mind is going to give up anything other than expiring contracts at the deadline for Melo if there is no extension signed because it’s just bad basketball to mortgage your future for a one year rental player. Especially if you’re giving up young talent and longer contracts for good players.
I think it’s about time all us fans of the Rockets also swallow the bitter pill that no matter what team you root for, your team always has “the best trade package” or your team always “makes the most sense” to land a big name player. I mean, we love our team unequivocally, why shouldn’t NBA Players, right? Houston is not as sexy a city as LA, NY, Miami, and yes, painfully, Boston (something to do with having the most banners in the NBA and playing with guys like Rondo and Garnett seems to have the allure to these players who play that new fangled hoopy tossy game).
The idea of “How to get him.” Simple, don’t. Especially if it involves a potential all star point guard and a top 20 shooting guard for a one year rental on a top flight small forward.
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by BD34 on Aug 17, 2010 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What he said
What I have said more or less in all my other posts.
If you are a casual watcher of bball the points Melo scores can be seductive. Ignore the siren song and stick with your guys (our current Rockets team).
We are one all star WITH CHARACTER position away from being a Western Finals almost lock. If only Roy or Durant were available. But until they are we have Martin, Brooks, Scola, Yao, players who want to play here, work their tail off and are just happy to be here.
If Melo wants to come to Houston, great, but by all BS new reports it is NYC or bust.
Give up Jefferies and Battier (to resign after buyout) and the trade exception for one year, other than that why is it worth it to mortgage our future on a diva who wants to play with Amare for Dantoni. Amare and Dantoni for christ sake. even LeDouch wasn’t that dumb.
BD34, for your awesome post you get a gold star.
Unfortunately
The NBA market for superstars are very slim nowdays, and are all becoming heavily influenced by LBJ. We might be better off getting Melo for expiring contract trying to win this season. Then let Yao age and disappear and rebuild with our draft picks and hope we get a KD caliber player in the draft. The current wave (draft of 2003) of superstars are mainly a bunch of heartless, underachieving asses.
I say
Houston goes after Iggy. Houston has been known for their D, let’s keep it that way.
I concur. We need a star even if Iggy is a 2nd tier one that plays on both sides of the ball. The more
i read about Melo, the more i hope we don’t get him.
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't care honestly.
If we get him, great, if we don’t, I don’t give a shit. I have a hard time seeing Melo and Yao playing well together. The roster we have right now is top 5 in the NBA, so improving it is not a big concern.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 17, 2010 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nuggets Fan here
I will start off by saying that the articles are complete bullshit. They are quoting Chris Paul’s drunken wedding toast as a source. I think melo is staying in denver unless he is chased out by the misguided fans. Melo actually tweeted what can be interpreted as dislike for that article.
I read that insider article “melo is not an elite player” and it was just bad. In one breath the writer says melo is bad because Nene has an Ortg of 124, Cbill’s Ortg 120, and Ty lawson’s 118 is more than Carmelo’s 107. Yet he voids his own argument by mentioning Lebron’s 114 Ortg. So Nene, Ty Lawson and CB1 are better that LeBrat? You can read it on denver stiffs if you like, but honestly its not a good read. http://www.denverstiffs.com/2010/8/5/1607178/interesting-espn-article-carmelo
The rockets DO offer the best situation for melo to win, IF Yao is healthy. So in the real world (sadly) that means Melo’s best option to win is with the Denver Nuggets, If he leaves it wont be a Basketball decision.
So what does houston offer that denver doesnt? A bigger market, and thats about it. The weather in Houston is god awful, unless maybe you are a native. Houston isnt a fun city compared to denver, as denver has a much better nightlife, and I say this because it is probably a factor for some athletes, much better marijuana.
Really? You have better weed???
Dude mexico borders Texas. You do realize that right….
But thats irrelevant.
And the texas weather is amazing. Its what people come to texas for.
Imagine. No cold winters. You can play basketball and football all year round outside.
he must be smoking the better weed
for him to make comments like that
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
As far as what Texas has
as an outsider, I have to honestly say, Colorado’s multiple seasons have more allure than consistent heat. Most people, I believe, prefer seasons and you can’t really beat Colorado’s snowing/skiing.
I don’t smoke marijuana because I’m not 15 and I’ve got shit to do, but from what I know, 50 bucks will get you a garbage bag full in Mexico, branches in it and all, but you’re king for a day (If you got that Daniel Tosh reference, I respect you deeply).
I mean, think about major vacation spots that you hear for rich families. What comes to mind: Tahoe, Aspen, Miami, etc… Corpus Christi does make the list though but by in large the year round options given by Colorado, to me, outweigh Texas.
Then again it really is different strokes for different folks. I’m from the NY/Canada border, living in DC and it’s too hot for me. Though I did consider Houston for law school because of some friends down there and my love of the Rockets almost brought me there.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I'd say if your fomr NY/Canada
you’re going to think that the Texas weather is awful. I was born and raised in Houston, so I love the heat, always have. I think it’s cold when it’s 60 degrees. Let me also point out that it being hot all year around is hugely over blown. Right now it’s god awful, 105+ everyday and the heat index makes it feel like 115. August is the worst. But really every other month is very bearable. And for about 5 month’s it’s between 40 and 75. Really it’s only from May to mid-September that the weather is hot.
So if we’re talking weather I’ll take Houston’s over Denver’s cold, wet snow and rain for months on end any day!
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 17, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
well...
that’s obvious, but we aren’t talking about Melo going to the Clippers.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 17, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Corpus Christi
Does Corpus really come to mind when you think about major vacation spots FOR RICH FAMILIES? It makes me think about retired people in motor homes.
Yes, the weed in Denver is FAR better
Local grown medical. No lives claimed by the cartel. Its really the best weed outside of California.
And I must say, unless you are a native, or from a similar climate, Houston feels like a giant hairdryer. Its the humidity combined with the heat that makes it so intense. Denver gets hot, but the humidity is really low, so it is not to unpleasant. It doesnt rain in denver, but it does snow 2 months a year, but 12 hours later, the snow has turned into snow melt.
DUDE you think MEXICO weed is good?
Try California and Canada shit dude. Mexican shit is trash.
hahahaha...if any of those reasons you stated were true...why wouldn't he come to LA, we have the best to offer in terms of Nightlife, Celebs, and Weather...
ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES WE DO!
Got all the egos and drama that comes with it. You can be the next hit and run by Lisdney Lohans drunk driving adventures. How exciting is that?
Why come on here and insult the city of Houston?
Melo won’t be reading your comment so what is the point of saying all of that? Also, please explain why the Nuggets offer the best situation for Melo.
The reasons why we offer the best situation is that we have the best supporting cast in all of basketball. We had a winning season with our two All-Stars on the bench the entire season. In other words, we went over .500 with 60% of our payroll on the bench.
We our the best team for him because we have arguably the best management in basketball. A smart, savvy GM, a future hall of fame coach, and an owner that is willing to pay big money to win. Our roster top to bottom is the best in the NBA. It’s not the best because we have superstars, it’s because all of our players can produce at an efficient rate, and play defense. If Yao can stay healthy, then we are a top 5 team in the NBA. It’s a big IF, but we have a very capable back up in Brad Miller just in case.
That’s another reason why we have the NBA’s best roster top to bottom, depth. We have two lottery picks as bench players. It’s not because they suck, it’s because we have a great starting 5. I might be saying too much when I say we have the best roster, but we have the deepest.
Who is on Denver’s roster that is a great complement to Melo? Chauncey, Nene, and Ty Lawson. Denver has only a handful of good role players. Aaron Afflalo falls into that category along with the other three, but inefficient players like JR Smith and Al Harrington will ruin possessions and take bad shots, where nobody on the Rockets will. I haven’t checked Smith’s stats so I’m not 100% sure if he is, but from what I’ve read, he is. Now, on the other hand, Al Harrington is a for sure ball hog. He defines the word inefficient.
Every player on our roster can be a role player, and if necessary, be go-to-guys. Examples? Aaron Brooks and Luis Scola.
And just for kicks, Melo will be an All-Star for the rest of his career if he stays here. Why? China. T-mac was nearly voted as a starter this year, even though he hadn’t played a single game. Melo would become the most popular player in China next to Yao, and that means a lot. Some players on our team have shoe deals over there. Melo has his own shoe, and they would become instant favorites, so he would make millions more.
Again, explain to me why Denver is the best fit for Melo and why they are the better team for him instead of Houston.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 18, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
All your points
except for the lottery picks on the bench are pretty much applicable to any team in the NBA. As a fan, like I said earlier, no matter what, your team is the best team for that player, nothing will ever come out otherwise. Wizards fans will think Melo is all they need, Rockets fans believe Melo is better off in Houston, Lakers fans will flaunt the fact that they don’t need him but offer him the best shot at a title, Celtics fans, etc… When it’s all said and done this post proved my entire point that no matter what, “the team I’m a fan of is the best team for player X.”
We have to be realistic. You want best supporting cast? How about we take a look at recent title contenders before we get ahead of ourselves. I think we have a contending roster but to me, best is reserved for the guys with track records and hardware, of which we are neither.
Best GM/Coach combo in basketball, I’m not gonna argue that as it is a major thing Houston does have. You could easily debate that the owner is willing to pay to win considering our recent trade. Yes, we got Lee and that was awesome BUT if you’re denying that salary had anything to do with it please take your head out of the sand. This team notoriously says we’ll pay to win and it results merely in shelling out money for draft picks and running away from the luxury tax.
We’re two deep at each position, yes, most playoff teams go 8 deep or so total and we’re a historically injury plagued team. We could be 2 deep at each position and injuries could easily shorten us to an 8 man deep playoff team (Which in essence makes us barely different from any other team in the playoffs).
As far as who is the better fit for Melo, Denver is built around him, generally when something is tailored to you I assume it fits better. Also, three words: Western Conference Finals. They’ve been there. In recent memory. The Rockets haven’t. I’m certainly not trying to rain on your parade but I would rather be impartial on this than just taking up the company line because I’m a Rockets fan.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Melo will be an All-Star for the rest of his career if he stays here
Really? And what happens if Yao comes up lame again and quits? Most Rocket fans sort of block that one out of their minds but for sure it would be in Carmelo’s mind if he were considering the Rockets. A lot of the attractiveness in the Rockets lies in Yao’s health and lately that hasn’t been too good.
Even if that happens
I think that over the years, fans in China who were only Yao fans have come to like the Rockets has a whole. Even if Yao goes down it’s likely imo that they continue to follow the Rockets and vote for the players.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 18, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I had an aunt who lived in Denver,
I visited Denver once, it was so fucking empty for a major city. What nightlife?
My take (if anyone gives a damn to read it please comprehend before replying, this is my opinion)
I don’t give a rats ass what anyone has to say about this but I would take him if the price is right. If we don’t give up any vital pieces (to be specific AB, Lowry, Scola, Yao, Martin). Replace Battier with Melo in the starting line up and all of a sudden not even the mighty Lakers can hang with us. We would easily lead the NBA in FT makes and that is valuable in the playoffs. We replace Ariza’s rebounding from the SF spot that people have been complaining about. Say what you will but Melo can rebound and with Yao and Scola we would be a pretty good rebounding team. As for defense, he will be fine. I challenge the people that say he is a “bad” defender to show me advanced stats on his defense. If you don’t then dont even comment on it. In this league you have to take the good with the bad. No player is perfect.
I am only against it if the chances of him leaving are greater than him staying. If anyone can quote him and site a source that quotes him saying he is going to NY no matter what then we should stay away. Otherwise we should strongly consider. Face it people we do not have a top 10 talent on our team and adding him to a very nice team we have now would put us over the top. Don’t we all want to be over the top? We are very good now but he would make us great. We strive for the best, not to be close to it.
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Advanced defensive stats
such as…?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
if you want to argue he is a bad defender so badly
go find out
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To my knowledge
defensive stats as advanced would only be something like shots altered, not to mention you’re the one demanding them, state what you’re looking for or don’t state it at all. I’ve never said Melo was a good or bad defender, so drop the defensiveness with me.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I was saying it in general
I never said you imparticular or at least i didnt mean that. All I am saying is that for the people saying he is a bad defender they should show all the advanced defensive stats to validate their case. You sir are just trying to have another long argument and I am not going to be the one to engage in one with you. I have stated my case and I will now move on.
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Just answer the God damn question kid...
What advanced defensive stats. You requested them, the burden on you is to cite what they are so that they can be found.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
All of then God Damnit!!!!
or as many as you can find. Hell just give me one if its all you got. Damn you are annoying and this is just the internet.
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I'm not the one who is the pain in the ass
You ask for advanced stats, don’t mention any of them (Of which I don’t even think they fucking exist) then rather than explain yourself as any sensible person would so that his point can be discussed you cry about not wanting to argue and kill the conversation. Good God…
As evidenced by your comment, you don’t even know what they are, so what is your right in demanding them? I demand 7 million glocknar from you! Who gives a shit what they are, give me them now!
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
since you can't answer me I will answer myself
these are some of what I am looking for http://www.hoopdata.com/defrebstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=SF&yr=2010&gp=40&mins=20
I am a pain in the ass but you are the one pissing off countless people on this blog with your rubbish. You call me a “kid” but you fail to show how much mature you are than me. You are the one who started taking stuff personal being all sensitive to a general comment I made. Good day sir.
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You could've saved yourself
A lot of asspain by saying “Rebounding rate.” rather than all that garbage you just went through. You were only asked to define what you were asking for and you turned into a pissing contest. If people get upset with me, I really don’t care because I at least respect the people I disagree with and continue talking, whereas what I just witnessed with you, rather than talk, you will complain and make it difficult.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I didnt know the exact names of the advanced stats but I made an effort to find out whereas you are just talking shit and not getting to the point
you get mad at me for making my point and leaving it at that while you just say anything to keep on arguing uselessly. When you argue there has to be a point where you stop and just because you dont like to stop you never get to your point thus the extensive arguments you have. I will leave you with this
You apparently just want to be heard or just at least hear yourself talk, just like a woman. Ever since the first time I called you out and told you about yourself you seem to have this beef with me. Learn to agree to disagree and we will get along just fine man. Otherwise listen to the terminator in the picture if you feel like you have to say something to me. Now go ahead and get the last word to satisfy your ego like you always do.
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Ohoh
You sure told me shit for brains.
I honestly don’t care anymore.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
though..
it is interesting that when you look at all of the defense-involving stats shown there, Carmelo seems to be a better defender than Artest.
His “DEF” rating, which combines blocks, steals and charges, is 1.93 (with the league average at 1.55, and Artest at 1.87) with him ranked 10th in the league, and Artest 11th. So apparently hes superior to Artest at defense, which last I checked, wasn’t a fact of life. I’m not so sure how these stats are too relevant in the argument.
I did not say they were definite
I never said if the DEF rating his higher he is a better defender. I just said it gives you a better idea of how a players defense is. So if he is up there with a guy like artest then it just means he is not a POOR defender, not necessarily a GOOD defender just not a POOR one.
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You guys need to chill.
It’s actually quite entertaining, but it’s unnecessary.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 18, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you
If the Rockets could somehow get Carmelo without giving up the key pieces you mention (Brooks, Scola, Yaqo and Martin) then the Rockets would be serious contenders THIS SEASON. I would do it even if it meant Carmelo on short-term lease. I think that once the Rockets win an NBA championship with Carmelo, then Carmelo’s opinion about the attractiveness of Houston vs NYC would change. Actually, if Denver had even gone to the NBA champiionship game, Carmelo would be remaining with the Nuggets. NYC is attractive but a championship team is more attractive. If Carmelo goes to NYC, he will be thinking about winning there (right or wrong, that is what he will think is going to happen). It ain’t all about the money.
What defensive stats?
U want steals? Cuz high steals always meant they were a great defender right AI? Defense has no stats, boxing out your man so your teammate can get a rebound, helping on rotations, double teams, staying in front of your man, hand in the face, all that shit Battier does is not in stats. Watch a Denver game its on EPSN once a week with Cavs games last year. Watch Melos defense yourself. Don’t ask for shit like stats that doesn’t exist for defense.
Ok for humor, hes 6-8 and only get .4 blocks a game, happy?
I put a link up
on here somewhere so go look and tell me whats wrong with using it
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cuz bball is all about stats.
You really can’t put players value on stats. Stats is just something EPSN and NBA needs to fill in the airtime to analyze shit. In the end, you have to watch them play. Robert Horry wasn’t great statically so was he awful? Too many intangibles on defensive side in basketball. Someone could smother the ball handler, pressure the ball, let his teammate get an easy steal. Who does that stat go to? That persons great defense? Nope, stats whos the guy who came over and gambled is a great defender with his x steals per game.
I never said that.
But stats do give you a better understanding of what a player is capable of if you haven’t watched much of him. That is all I mean.
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Seems so obvious he's going to NY
that it makes all speculation on any other team just amusing and/or sad.
In the Rockets case, it’s quite sad.
Once again, fans go chasing another superstar the Rockets don’t need.
I guess that addressing the need for another dominant big man gets old (even though it directly confronts the problem) and some people just feel comfortable with the risk on Yao and hopes on Miller.
So dellusionally impassioned are these fans that they’re prepared to let it ride for a one year max or near-max gamble? On this dude, seriously?
Don’t confuse the Rockets’ element of surprise with the fans element of stupidity.
This whole thing is further fueled by the assumption that he’d even want to play in Houston.
I’m done entertaining the idea of the Rockets acquiring a pre-fabricated superstar and look forward to them creating their own.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Aug 17, 2010 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
As brutal as that was
I agree with essentially 98% of this post.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I agree.
I would love Melo to be a rocket. I would trade away our entire bench literally everyone on it. Sign a bunch of guys from the d-league to replace them. But once you start trading away multiple starters on the team I think the asking price becomes too high a little too quickly..
Melo brings alot to the table, but I really dont see him coming to play for us. Its unlikely he ends up a rocket.
Good post
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 17, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 18, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I say no to the trade
he wouldnt re-sign so why rent a player while giving up major assests in Kev and AB? lacks logic, thats like the Carlos Beltran trade, giving up good commodities for a 3 month player.. nosir Ill pass.. only way to do that deal is if hes guraunteed to sign long-term
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
Something random I just thought of
Isn’t Melo’s now-wife from New York? It would seem like that might slightly influence his decision. That and he wants to make another “super-team” in the East to combat Miami, as the rumor goes.
//begin random rant// Say what you will about Miami and possibly New York, but that would be the best thing to happen to basketball in 10+ years. Think of the interest it would draw! And really I’m not against it. They’re in the East, let them duke it out in the playoffs, doesn’t affect us unless we reach the Finals. And please don’t tell me you wouldn’t watch a game with Melo, CP3, and Amare vs. you know who. It would be like reliving the 80s. //end random rant//
Basically I see no hope in Melo coming here (nor do I want him, not a fan), so I say we don’t even get ourselves worked up about this. NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 17, 2010 10:59 PM CDT reply actions
i agree its not going to happen...but I disagree about this being the best thing about bball
basically what is happening is that a handful of over paid kids are going to start dictating that they have to play for only a handful of teams in the NBA. The major problem is that it basically creates huge differences between the cool cities and the others. Now I don’t think that Miami will necessarily have the best team or NYC with Amare, CP3 and Melo but every time you build one of those teams you are probably doing major damage to at least one other team in the process. Do we really want a league with 6 LAs and the rest Clippers? I hope they do lower the cap but dont mess with the max salary then if a team wants to pay someone max money then there will be less money to build around them.
And I do think that Houston should concentrate more on building its own stars than cobbling together a team of “star” players like Anthony while decimating its youth/future/current players. How good is bud and hill going to be going forward? I don’t know but I would say that both showed real promise/upside last year. I promise you Bud will suprise us all this coming year. And with an ego less than Anthony’s or Amare’s he may even play some defense
I don't think it's the best thing about basketball
But for the league it’s the best thing to happen to basketball. What have we dubbed as “The Golden Age of Basketball”? That’s right the 80s, the decade that saw either the Celtics of the Lakers or both in the Finals. Those two teams dominated the league and any other team during that era is basically forgettable.
I think the best thing about basketball is the teams, the competition, and just the fact I get to see my favorite sport being played at it’s highest level. But these teams make the league more exciting. It draws interest. And it’s been a long time since we’ve seen powerhouses of teams develop.
Also I don’t think that it will end up being 6 LAs and the rest Clippers. With the abundance of talent and good management, that’s just not going to happen. Plus the draft will help balance out the talent.
Now I agree, I don’t like the power that the Lebrons of this world have. But is it necessarily bad for basketball? I don’t know. I really don’t. But it would seem like it’s not hurting, at least not right now. And with the new CBA it’ll probably help curb these creation of “super teams”, but i just don’t know if these super teams are bad, I say they’re fun and exciting and puts the power in the hands of the players, but will it hurt the NBA in the future? I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 18, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Well even now, only a few teams get major National game coverage.
So now the only difference is the once a week LBJ game they always play, will be with two other superstars. Lets face it they will not play a nets game, sac game, minni game on national TV. We will be watching Dwade on EPSN once a week, might as well be with better players with him than michael beasly bricking everything.
Uhm
Well, by that logic, the best thing for the game will be having 5-6 stacked teams and nothing else.
The fans (outside Miami) want competition. The fans want every game to be interesting and not just the TNT specials on Christmas day.
Reliz Feliz!
by RocketsAstros on Aug 18, 2010 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Now I never said that I wanted 5 or 6 stacked teams
A couple of “stacked” teams like that, well that’s just fine (and really how “stacked” are the Heat anyway? They have 3 great players, ever other name on that roster is forggetable. I won’t call them stacked just very top-heavy).
And like I said above, I don’t think it’s possible to have only a small handful of stacked teams, too much talent. More talent than the NBA’s ever seen at one time. Salaries, the new CBA and the draft won’t make that possible as well.
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 18, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Analyzing Carmelo's defense
His defensive rating for this past season was 109 http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html
Shane Battier’s defensive rating was 108 http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/battish01.html
I would like to conclude that Melo’s defense is average at worst so for those using defense as an excuse not to pursue him then you may want to reconsider.
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Melo's offensive rating was less than Nene's too
Does that mean Nene is a better offensive player than Anthony?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
No but
you have to also consider Nene’s FG% which counts alot. Drtg and Ortg just gives you a better general idea of how good someone is on that side of the ball. I never said those ratings are the sole way or only of evaluating.
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I look at those ratings
as incredibly skewable for the simple fact that the team’s play style, the usage rate of players, and several other factors that can be entirely unique to an individual go in to those results.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
True. Stats don't always tell the story. I was looking at Monta Ellis and Kobe's stats
and they were pretty close, but we all know in reality, these two aren’t that comparable really.
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the best way is to get people who actually watch him play game in
and game out through the season to see how good or bad he is defensively.
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe some hardcore Denver fans can shed some light
from low post defense, off ball, on ball, weak side defense, shot blocking, perimeter D, etc.
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The important thing to note on that though
is the team’s play style and usage. Those will drastically alter the stats.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
More importantly is a scouting report if that is available to the public that most NBA
teams have on each player. Like what i mentioned above on observing a player on how he defends low post, on the perimeter, etc..
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
He's Average
About the level of Kevin Martin
Yikes
"If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him." -Michael Jordan
by ressaliance_00 on Aug 18, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I've watched enough of Melo play...
and he’s no defensive juggernaut. I think the people saying he can’t pay D exactly means the aforementioned. Melo is not the fastest guy among SFs so his help defense is soft. Someone mentioned George Karl not pushing Melo enough to play D in his system could be onto something. I mean the guy is 6’8" and has the length to be able to at least play good perimeter D so maybe he just needs a good kick in the ass by the proper coach.
As for rebounding, you have to have that fire to go for that ball in the air. I doubt many think Melo is that kind of player. Same with the “invisible stats,” ya know, like taking charges Battier style. Melo is purely an offensive juggernaut.
Were they mostly offensive or defensive boards?...lol...j/k
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha... but that's actually a good question.
NBA.com says he averages 2 for offensive and 4 for defensive.
If they were defensive boards, was he able to get that pass out quickly for an easy bucket...lol
by inquisitiveman on Aug 17, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He only avgs 3 assists a game :(
So no quick outlet for an easy bucket… he would rather shoot it himself :)
that's ok about his 3 assists since he is a scorer, but is he good at passing to cutters to the basket, is he good at passing in a
crowd like driving to hole then dishing off? how about his feeding the ball to his Center. does he make the good entry passes that sets them up for a good low post move?
by inquisitiveman on Aug 18, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
As a SF, he's no LeBron in the passing dept.
Look at it this way, Melo is an offensive specialist, dude is probably one of the best shooting SFs playing right now. Every other department, defense, passing, etc. he’s only average, nothing really spectacular that jumps out at you.
Nene is no Yao, so it will definitely be a big transition if Melo were to play in Houston; although, our pick and rolls would be mighty lethal.
more than Ariza
and anyone of our current perimeter guys for that matter, just saying
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in which case I would take
Iggy. He think he is just perfect for our team
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Not that he is a better player
just better all-around game
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True, but we need stellar defense since we have enough
guys that can score(Martin, Scola, Brooks, and Yao even).
by inquisitiveman on Aug 18, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
whoa hold up a second
Melo is on another level as far as scoring, He demands the opposing best wing defender and team attention. Martin may warrant the attention, but Melo literally will have a personal shadow on his ass at all times.
I sometime wonder how coachable Melo is, because his physical tools are amazing, he can be a good defender, but he shown no sign of the throughout his career. But he is a beast scorer
Just want to add Defensive rating is pretty weak by itself
because his opposition either is often pre-occupied with defending him, and you have to take usage into consideration
you should also look at opp. TOV, opp eFG% and tapes
hmmm
Only trade for melo if he agrees to sign an extension if not I would rather trade battier and hill for tayshaun prince now I might get bashed cause everyone sais battier is the leader and heart of the team but considering we have a great coach in adelman, b miller and hayes it would be as badd as ppl think plus prince would provide better scoring and can also play defense.. Line-up brooks/martin/prince/scola/yao
by rocket2789 on Aug 17, 2010 11:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
-1
We don’t need Tayshaun when we have assets for another player we do need. We need a good defensive stopper or/and another. Prince has good but once you add in Battier’s history and leadership on the team I think Battier wins. Why sacrifice a good big man with good upside and an almost peer in battier for one Prince. I just don’t think it makes sense. What prince offers we have already.
What we need is to stand still or add something like Iggy or Melo with a 3yr extension
We have the poor man's Tayshaun Prince - Jeffries!
Besides, can anyone make a case for Prince? He always seems to be less than his rep. Maybe if Michael Lewis wrote an article about him…
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We don't need offense.
We need defense, if anything. Where did our top 10 offense get us last year? Into the fucking lottery.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 18, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
My post was actually a "reply" to a previous post I made.
I’m not one of those who are in favor for a Melo trade. I think he’s overrated as previously stated.
Defense wins championships FTW
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by RocketsAstros on Aug 18, 2010 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's what I would do....
After listening to multiple sides, I just don’t see how Melo ends up in Houston. He’s already on a good team, so he’s not leaving because Denver can’t compete….he’s leaving because he wants to be somewhere else, and I don’t think that’s Houston.
From Morey’s perspective, the worst possible outcome is that he ends up in New York. Supposedly, Melo wants to go to the Knicks or Orlando. SO WHY NOT HELP FACILITATE A TRADE TO ORLANDO? Our expiring contracts could fill in some “trade holes”, and could net us a very good player plus picks, ala the McGrady trade last year. Obviously, this would require a 3-4 team trade, but we could actually come out ahead in this scenario.
Then after the dust settles, pick up Iggy from Philly and call it a day. The Rockets would be a top 4 team in the West NOW, but would also have a bright future when you consider our young talent and multiple 1st round picks.
Hey, if it means ending up with Iggy, i'm all for it.
If we get Melo, i’m all for it too. All i want is for us to beat the frickin Lakers and OKC!
by inquisitiveman on Aug 18, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
We are already a top 4 team in the West.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
There is a rumor posted by some gal in another forum that the Nuggets have accepted the offer of the Magic
Orlando – Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, and Aaron Afflalo for Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus and Brandon Bass
Someone on the internet reported something on a forum?
Did you hear that screech? That is the presses halting.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
why would denver want aaron brooks? thats not going to happen if we get carmelo we would most likely give up one of new yorks picks shane battier and possibly jared jeffries expiring contract. the nuggets have billups and the young lawson at the point guard position that means 3 guards would be splitting time the denver coach loves defense so thats why battier is a high option the nuggets need some youth on that team so we give the 1st round ny pick to them now jermaine taylor is another option look at denvers 2 guard now affalo so taylor would fit in dont forget taylor has made some starts for houston meaning hes been proving him self in practice also brings more youth to the team and our young prospect patric patterson this would not shock me if he left because the nuggets have no inside game and this would add youth to the team so he might pay off to them now look at their line up works both ways for both teams houston:1. aaron brooks 2. k mart 3. carmelo anthony 4 luis scola 5. yao ming denver: 1. billups 2. jermaine taylor 3. shane battier 4. kenyon martin 5. nene and ny’s first round pick and maybe we keep patterson.
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