Reasons to trade for 'Melo (In all seriousness)
by Bighaircut on Aug 20, 2010 2:11 AM CDT
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PrintIn my last post I was fed up with the recent trade machine posts and took out those frustrations into a full-fledged satire filled argument. This post is for real.
From perusing through the Carmelo posts and comments, I have seen quite a few that have been along the lines of the Rockets NOT wanting to trade for 'Melo. I was one of them. So this may seem a little hypocritical, but hear me out those of you who are against this idea. We need Carmelo to win a championship. We also need Battier. Reasons after the jump.
Consider this. Out of the past 53 NBA champions, 49 of those teams had recent (within 4 years) All NBA 1st team selection. Now, mind you, in Carmelo's position(SF), LeBron James will occupy that spot for quite awhile. However, Carmelo performs like a first team player. Without James in the league, Carmelo would be the guy. The other 4 teams had one or two players on the second team.
Many of you might think that Kevin Martin and Aaron Brooks could be those guys on the second team at least. However, Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Brandon Roy, and Joe Johnson can easily take Martin's Place. CP3, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, and Rondo easily displace Brooks.
Our only hope to have an All NBA first team on our current roster is Yao. Obviously he won't be at full strength, won't be able to play many minutes, and will be taking less of a role, so he currently is out.
Now, all of this may seem to be pretentious, saying that if we trade for 'Melo that we will win championships and such. I am not saying that. We all know what happened in '06/'07 when we had T-mac and Yao on All 2nd team and failed to accomplish much at all. Let me state this. Having a star player on our team does not guarantee us anything. It does not hurt our chances, though. We also need a supporting cast.
Does defense win championships? Almost. 81% of the last NBA champions have had an All Defensive 1st team player on their side(in recent years) as well. We all know that Battier does not receive the recognition that he deserves. He should almost be a no brainer every year for this honor. That is why we need to try to keep him on our team if we do trade for 'Melo.
The most astounding statistic I have seen whilst searching for reason to change my mind about the whole trade situation is this: No NBA team has won a championship without a top 5 player or top 5 defender. Take it to the bank. It doesn't happen. Kevin Martin will not be the guy on offense, however much I like the guy. Yao will not have his old touch, stamina, ect back enough as well. Courtney Lee will not be a top 5 defender.
Heck, the Rockets could just break all of the laws and win a championship without either of those two pieces, but it's unlikely. I love our team right now. I think we have a Western Conference Finals contender. But the point of playing in the NBA is to win championships. And with the team we have now, that is unlikely to happen. I don't want 'Melo. But the team just might NEED him.
(As always, I am open to harsh criticism if need be)
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I believe defense always wins championships.
Fuck the 81%.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 20, 2010 2:18 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
which is why i was an annoying windbag about getting rid of arriza for lee. If lee’s D is as good then ok but we HAVE to keep shane, otherwise we are a swiss cheese D like Golden State or any Dantoni team
BUT LIEK OH EM GEE
WE R CAN HAS NEED STAR TRADE 3/4 ROSTER 4 STAR?!?!?!?!
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Was just mocking the fact
that the majority of people hard up for trades always propose shipping out 75% of our roster and patching in whatever homeless people off the street they can find for the last parts of the roster.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
That's why I hate those types of awards.
I mean look, after every season the NBA picks the ‘top’(sarcastic) 15 players ( 5 for each All-NBA Team) and everyone creates a big whoop about what team their player got into. But how can you pick only 15 players when there are some more deserving players that don’t make an All NBA team or not male a high enough team( 1st,2nd, 3rd). For example, the point guard posistion has probably 6 point guards that could make the 1st NBA team, no problem. But only 1 of those pg are named to 1st and 3 PGS are not even going to be mentioned. That being said, I don’t mind having awards like that, but can you really call it an All NBA “TEAM”??? No. Cause 5 people don’t make a team, that makes a lineup. What I suggest is that the NBA actually makes it an All NBA ‘Team’ and picks the top 30 players(10 for each) to name the All NBA Teams.
You also have to remember that the people that pick these teams are usually NBA analyst that also work for ESPN, ie the Worldwide Leader in Ignoring the Houston Teams(mostly the Rockets). And those analyst are heavily baize into picking the usual player( Kobe lebron dhoward) for 1st.
I think I’ll stop my rant here.
I don't like the awards either
But it’s pretty clear that the fact that, if someone on your team does win one of the awards, your team has a better shot of making, and winning, the finals. Maybe not for the fact that they deserve it, but it’s just what the stats prove.
I had an ant farm once, but them fellas didn't grow shit
I don't think we NEED Melo persay
But as you said we do need either a top 5 player or defender to win one. That said I think we could be the first team to win it without either one because we have a top 5 coach. I believe we could have a top 5 defense and offense at the same time under coach Adelman.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
Ingredients for a champion
1.) A core that has been together for a long time (at least 2-3 seasons)
2.) A relentless superstar who either has that “X-Factor” or buys into coach’s system
3.) That one role player who plays defense/hits 3’s/defers to his teammates
4.) A young guy who can make the difference on your team
5.) Some plain dumb luck
Lets look at the Rockets. As constructed, I would call the core group on this team as follows: Brooks, Battier, Hayes, Scola, Yao. That’s a good core of guys who can do at least 2 of the following: score, rebound, defend, play in the clutch. Do we have the “X-Factor” in Yao Ming? Possibly. Could Kevin Martin be like Reggie Miller was in 2000 and will the team as the “X-Factor” who played for Adelman back in Sacramento? Maybe. Shane is right on our defensive/3-point guy…he’s our Bruce Bowen, our James Posey, our…Ariza/Artest dare I say it. Its Shane’s turn for that role. Air Bud, PP and Jordan Hill are our 3 youngin’s, with a mix of Jermaine Taylor thrown in for good measure and a dash of Courtney Lee.
Luck would be Yao Ming coming back healthy.
Do we need Melo? Naw…but he wouldn’t hurt things too much. Its basically whether or not we want Kevin Martin or Carmelo Anthony…
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To me
You take Kevin Martin, every day. The guy puts up superstar numbers point wise, offensively he slips right into the system, he’s a high character guy, and knows the system like the back of his hand. People’s main knock on him is fluke injuries and being skinny, which, as Kevin Durant is showing, is a weak as all hell excuse (The skinny part). Houston is poised to be that team that wins a title based on being a team. We need to separate ourselves from the delusions that Houston is the ugly sister in the family, just not good enough.
Embrace Houston as that artsy chick who when she lets her hair down and gets out of her studio clothes you would have to be mentally handicapped to not want to bang her like a screen door in a tornado.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
+1 and +1000 for style points (I can see the screen door slamming now)
The only thing I would say is that Melo is, gulp, a more all around player. He CAN play D when he wants to and is better at it than Martin. From what I have heard, but not first hand witnessed, is that Melo is more the guy who will get the shot WHEN HE HAS TOO. Martin may be good game in game out but maybe Melo is more clutch. Good post.
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Though my most critical weakness is Kat Dennings, my God, I would drag my johnson through a 4 mile trail of broken glass for the opportunity to put my arms around her once.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
this is a very good point...
last time I checked NYC has next to nothing left to trade for and NJ isn’t that far behind. They maybe can trade Favors but they need their C and PG to make any team with Melo work. So sad the teams that lost everything to sign a FA only to loose out. Now they have nothing to trade for. The genius of Morey? Maybe, I guess he figured if he couldn’t attract a FA to Houston so the only way he had a shot was to trade another team for one. Melo could be that player.
As people have already said...
We could have had the best offer for Bosh too, but it didn’t matter. The players will go where they want to go. Having the best to offer is a small part of any trade like this one. I don’t want this to go into any trade scenario post, we have enough of those to circle the world.
As for BD34, like I said, I would love to see our team, the one right as of now, play this season out. No more trades. I think we have the caliber to make a run in the playoffs. Nitroberg said it all in his last point. Dumb luck. That’s what every team needs to win now and again. We had that when we didn’t have Yao or McGrady, yet we found a way to make a run at the Lakers. Our core and bench are good enough as of now to make that run and have some pieces fall into place for have a shot at the Finals. ‘Melo would make our team better, yes, but at what point do we say, ya know, let’s see how our already stellar team does this season and prove to everyone else that you don’t need LeBron, Wade, and Bosh to have a great team.
I had an ant farm once, but them fellas didn't grow shit
you...know you're point about not trading is right on...
but IF we can snag melo with an extension (meaning if he wants to come here)…i don’t mind that trade…and if the nuggets want a good package, we have the best out of his list, unless NJ gives up a star or potential star
ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do they have to offer
Hmm… a gargantuan contract to fall off the books that, pending legal troubles you may not have to pay entirely for, a potential stud in Galinari, draft picks so far down the road it’s ridiculous, and a couple other nice young pieces.
New Jersey can offer some great expiring deals, a large trade exception, Devin Harris, or Brooke Lopez if they really wanna cash in, and NY (for Melo).
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Exactly
Every team can offer something astounding. The Nets are the most shallow team in basketball IMHO and even they could give up enough to snag ‘Melo. These teams have a chance, as do we. Luckily, it’s not up to us. Or we would have Carmelo on our team for a few seconds and then shipped back to Denver the next.
I had an ant farm once, but them fellas didn't grow shit
'Melo is not going to NY.
The Knicks have nothing in return to trade to Denver. The only piece Denver is interested in is Gallinari, whom the Knicks won’t give up.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
Oh really?
So the reports of the Curry/Gallinari package that Denver turned down was total crap then?
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I guess bonecrusher knows the everything the Knicks are doing
He works for their inside office if you didn’t know….
I had an ant farm once, but them fellas didn't grow shit
i just think Denver's trying to wait it out because if at all possible they want to keep Melo...
I really think nothing’s happening till the trade deadline…
ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
i thinki this is best for everyone
quite frankly nyc is going to suck anyway…sorry but no way they turn it around with only amare’s dumb ass…but that makes them more likely to try to trade big for Melo but they have little to offer and he hopefully wont want to go there as there will be nothing to join
also, like BD34, I really want to see what this V10 engine can do before we try to up or downgrade it to a V9 or V8, depending on who we have to trade to get Melo.
Regardless, I think we can all agree that this is going to be a great year to be a Rockets fan. Even if Yao isn’t 100% I still think we will have an awesome team and make an awesome run. God Bless the Rockets.
Hmmmm
I didn’t see that. I feel like a moron.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 21, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
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