Eliminate Salary Cap and NBA Draft
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 1, 2010 9:45 PM CDT
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But, but, but, but… that will make big markets too tough to compete with. Big markets will just pay all the players really large sums of money and no one else will be able to compete.
But, but, but, but, but, b-b-b-but... owners will make bad decisions and overpay players.
But, players are overpaid…
Bad teams need to get the best players to stay competitive.
A big problem with professional sports are FANS who believe players make too much money and need to have their salaries artificially lowered by a salary cap and that owners need to be protected from making mistakes. Also problematic is that most fans completely buy into the owners’ attempts to mitigate their risks. By denying owners and players the freedom to contract, we keep sending the best players to the WORST franchises via the draft. Think about how many great teams could have actually done something productive with the 35 lottery picks that the Clippers have had sense 1980. Think about how quickly a team could rebound from the bad decisions of a previous GM if it weren’t hampered by salary cap considerations.
Contracts would become much more performance based and it would be unlikely to see a player like McGrady making 22 million dollars a year to ride the pine in a fancy suit for years on end. Players would have an incentive to work even harder if contracts were drafted giving players serious benefits for going deep into the playoffs. Currently, salary cap restrictions prevent this.
In short, the Salary Cap and the NBA Draft are an attempt by owners to mitigate their risks, but it actually just benefits the worst franchises and the worst owners. Good owners would benefit by getting rid of this system. In a true free market, salaries could be higher but they would go to the most productive players. Bad franchises wouldn’t keep getting rewarded for their ineptitude with great draft picks. But, rather, the talented players would migrate to the great franchises that are run well (like Kobe did to the Lakers by demanding a trade from Charlotte). Owners who fail would have to sell their franchises to more savvy business people who can find and evaluate talent better. This would lead to better basketball which would lead to greater profit for the NBA and owners because its easier to sell a better product.
Teams in big markets wouldn’t be able to destroy teams in weak markets (arguably) like in baseball. A basketball team only needs ten players and talent will naturally spread out by the talented people going where they will get the most playing time. Some teams will be winners and some will be losers, but that’s always true.
So far, these are only the basketball related reasons to eliminate the salary cap. The human reasons are more compelling. There is something truly barbaric about getting athletes to be “drafted” with no say in what team will choose them. After they run and jump for people making notes, they will then be chosen by others who may buy, sell or trade them and determine what city they will live in. It would be much more dignified to allow players and team owners the ability to meet together and come to mutual agreements that don’t involve one party having the power to alter the other person’s life in a major way.
Additionally, when team and player no longer wish to stay together, they could both simply void the contract and each go their separate way without having to disrupt the lives of ten other unrelated people in sign and trades and things like that.
Basketball would be vastly improved by simply letting players and team owners come to mutually beneficial agreements and just making it about basketball.
I wonder how many people will agree and how many will make the tired arguments about parity and competition which don’t hold up to scrutiny.
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worst idea ever
its too bad it took you that many words to make such a bad argument
by 4to3 on Sep 2, 2010 12:21 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
The quality of fanposts has gone down the crapper lately.
He thought the wind generated by his bat would carry the ball out of the park. --Braves fan comments on Ryan Howard's 0-7, 5K night vs HOU
by RocketsAstros on Sep 2, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
This wasn't the best thought out fan post ever
When I’m not so tired, i’ll point out why a lot of your ideas we’re horrible, and why.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
try to point out ideas that are not selfishly tailored to what the fan wants but instead tailored to what is fair to the individuals playing the sport
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 2, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Heres a quic k one
they could both simply void the contract and each go their separate way without having to disrupt the lives of ten other unrelated people in sign and trades and things like that.
What player that’s under performing a contract is gonna say ok guys, your paying me way to much lets just void this so I can play for less.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
That wasn’t the situation I was referring to. Let’s take a situation like in Denver where Carmelo Anthony has decided to make everyone’s life miserable until he is traded. Currently, Denver will have to accomodate him and get pennies on the dollar. In a situation like what I am proposing both parties could simply walk away and Denver could use the money from the voided contract to pursue other free agents or try to make a deal to buy out someone else’s contract which may or may not have consent to assign language in it.
Let’s try to think critically.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 3, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Let’s try to think critically.
Let’s try to be realistic instead.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
well, this is more in league with reality than 99% of the trade posts we see
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 4, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
They're both
pants on head retarded.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
Ridiculous
You basically suggested a system where every player will be a free agent and took away the rules that encourages parity.
You have no true basis on how talent will flow, talent flows toward the rich period. Baseball is sport that has more roster spots and longer careers, and yet they suffer mindblowing contract due to a very soft cap(performance basis are more often bonuses that’s no significant impact to his core contract), which completely goes against your belief that reasonable contract will appear. As for talent goes to the where the PT are, the top 10 players in the league has a good talent differentiation to the next 10, and the gap is probably greater vs the next 10, even reasonablly assume that each team at most get 3 players out of the top 30, that gives you about 10 really good teams, then rest of the league unable to compete(which we can already do without paying players more). unlike baseball, basketball lack a development system which allow financially weaker teams to compete and leverage theselves(like the rays,As, marlin), it also lack an arbitration process which performance and salary are evaluated somewhat impartially. To make matters worse, you took away the only way which a weak team can improve, the draft. So you just breed a culture of rich get richer, poor gets poorer. It’s totally naive to believe a system of no restriction will run itself fairly, and that’s what sports should be about, fair play
you didn’t solve any problem, poor management would just spend more money to lure talent away from the winning
teams, good management in bad situation has no other way to dig themselves out other than throwing money at FAs, because they have no other controls. Incentive base contracts are a good idea, but nothing you propsed makes that any more possible. FA would be more of a spectacle because one really exceptional talent would trigger it’s own chain reaction, becuase player wants to win and get paid, and playing with exceptional talent does that(since there are no salary restriction, he can demand the salary he think he deserves)
by NVP on Sep 2, 2010 1:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Good franchises will always attract good players. Bad management will always drive away talent. The draft and salary cap just prolong the process for this natural law to occur.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 3, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It's to keep teams around
It’s natural law for everything to eventually goes into chaos(like literally) I’m talking about human involved systems as well. It’s why society have man determine laws and not allow natural order to call everything, it’s prolonging the life of the whole system.
Good franchises will always attract good players. Bad management will always drive away talent? In your system yes, you leave no way for the bad franchises(notice not bad management) to turn good, other than basically die or change into really really rich owners,but who would buy terrible teams? how many Prokhorov are out there?
by NVP on Sep 3, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The bad franchises are forced to seek better management or the owners are forced to sell to people who can run a franchise better. All it does when we artificially prop up a failing system (or team) is prolong the misery. I like using the Clippers to illustrate this point. If a team can’t win for decade after decade, then continually trying to prop it up with draft picks and by artificially limiting what the competition can do (via salary cap) does nothing to force the team to really fix its problems.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 4, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
what would the better management do?
cant draft fresh talents because there arent any, cant get free agents because frankly there are better teams that can pay the same amount. You like Clippers? How about OKC? moved team due to new ownership in a brand new small market, how would a team with essentially no reputation, absolutely no other resources other than money to compete with a known commodity like the Lakers. You leave gambling on unproven players and possible misused talents the only way GM can possibly make a true impact. Pleas tell me what other ways the management can improve a bad team in your system other than just throwing a lot of money out there, because i cant see it, why join the nets when Miami trio ask you to come to their team for the same amount of money? Why join the Clippers when the Lakers are next door and I can get money and glory? Coaching? NBA coaches are the least appreciated peoples in the league, Sure they can try and scout overlooked young players like Chase and Brook, but these guys can only go so far against teams full of Lebrons.
by NVP on Sep 4, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Management has to prove that it knows what its doing. You won’t attract new talent right off the bat. You have to earn respect. BUT, players will always give a team a chance if there are minutes, touches and shots likely to be given to them on that team. This is what guarantees some form of parity. We can’t have every shooting guard playing for the Lakers. No one will pay big dollars to have five of the leauge’s best SG’s. It doesn’t make sense.
If you have a bad team, you improve it by getting betting at finding players that other people have overlooked and signing them to contracts, just like DM is doing it now. The only difference is the teams with good decision-making abilities will have a further leg up on the teams that don’t. Houston would do very well in this scenario.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 4, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
how will teams build cred when super powers keep beating them down?
some form of parity mean pretty much none except for the top 10 team
Like I said before, the talent difference maybe larger than people think between top tier players in their position and 2nd tier.
allow me to draw up a scenario. Players are always ranked, so I’ll use KD’s ranking here, but feel free to use any sort of critical or statistical rankings to set this up
It’s very reasonable to assume almost all top talent will go to the big markets, because well, players go where money goes right? you cant deny that with examples like Yanks and Sox. Only reason it does completely go off bunker in baseball is because there is a draft and player development as a source of cheap talent(ie money ball).
So say the year the announced this, they gave all players free agency, because, well, they want to see the free market prevail.
Almighty Lakers being the favorite son would have all starters in the top 5 of their position.
Lakeshow get Steve Nash at PG(3), Kobe at SG(2), Gerald Wallace at SF(4), Pau Gasol at PF(1), Andrew Bynum at C(5)
The Nets being who they are, cant get any of the top 5 talents because Boston, NYC, Chicago, and Miami horded them, but they did amazingly well and was able to assemble a line up with talents from 6 to 10.
Brooklyn Nets get Devin Harris at PG(8),Jason Richardson at SG(9),Paul Pierce at SF(7),Kevin Love at PF(10), Chris Kamen at C(6).
You look at this and tell me which team will win when they play against each other. Try this yourself, use any sort of fair ranking(I know not everyone like KD’s ranking), assemble an team with top 5 talent only and another with 6th to 10th talents, and see how many times can you get a better team with 6 to 10 guys.
even the best swimmer drawn in stormy water. When the system is severely hinged on factors you have no control over, just having good eye for talent is not enough, other teams can just go safe and get proven talent when yo have to gamble for the unproven, and you have wish that other team wont out bid you for him
by NVP on Sep 4, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The Lakeshow scenario you mentioned is only marginally better than the current “Lakeshow”.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 6, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
also, everyone is missing the point that many players will opt for secure long term contracts, thus minimalizing free agency. The result would be more stable franchises with less player movement. It is only the current system that encourages player movement by having players being drafted by teams they may not wish to go to and then giving them short rookie contracts so the result is people are just waiting for their rookie contract to be up so they can do what they really want to do.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 6, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
haha yes there would be more stability....but there would be a horrible balance....
only the “good” franchises (i.e. those with lots of money and market) will prevail while the rest die off slowly…
ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
they wouldn’t die, they just wouldn’t get rings
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 6, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You continue to screw management
You still havent provide me any other ways for new management in bad situations to find a way to compete with these stable and good franchises? how do they attract talent when year in year out they are the easily dispatched 6 to 8 seed, despite their best to assemble leftover talents not in those good and stable franchises
Worse, secure longer term contracts is injury prone player’s best friend, and you didnt minimize FA in anyway, think of the Olawankandi, the Oden, the Darko , who can secure these long contracts with teams willing to gamble(because they’ll hold out for big money, good franchises can do without these headaches, bad franchises cant afford to).
What happens in a situation when you paid for a preinjury Penny, and end up with post injury Penny?
Insurance can be taken out to cover losses from inuries or a contract clause can be inserted that a team pays for games played, whatever both parties can agree on is what goes.
The management can dig itself out of a whole by bringing in a good coach, paying player evaluation personnel to find undervalued players who can be locked up for longer contracts. Then there will likely be a star who would like to be in a situation where he can get more minutes or more shots, so he might sign on for a team under new management where it is a good situation for him personally. Management that just relies on high draft picks is not going to build a winner anyway.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 6, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I really can't see why either ownership or the players would vote for this.
It’s bad for the majority of both of them.
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round and round circles we go
put together a roster of “undervalued players” and maybe you gain one or 2 extra good teams, but overall you still leave almost half the team in perpetual peril of being not profitable at all, and few of these “undervalued” player are the caliber of hyped phenoms the likes of LBJ, Wade, Rose…. I illustrated this point with constructing a team with players that’s under valued with the nets, Kamen, Love, Harris were some of the least appreciated player out there with solid production, but they are no super team. To compete, you have to be able to find some absolute unbelievable steal of a player, and with the extensive scouting that you propose every team should have, that would likely get much much harder. because not just good players wants work for good franchises, scouts and personnel are likely to work for teams with better financial freedom, you add that to the system you proposed is driven by mostly money and reputation(GM have little ability of direct roster manipulation) you make it hard for 30 team to survive, and if the same 15 team always get to the playoffs very soon the league become very boring
as for insurance, and injury clause, player simply can go to a team that’s willing to waive the injury clause, because well, like the point I keep trying to get across, the system forces them to make these bad decisions
which proved my point by winning the past 2 championships?
and easily handle most of the west in playoff(who are a pretty good bunch of teams)
and there are quite a few billionaires who would love to own one of 29 NBA teams. That’s a pretty exclusive club that lots of people would love to get involved in.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 4, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
we all like Darwinian struggles and yes teams like the Clippers suck for multiple years...
but at the end of the day we want a competitive league to watch, otherwise what is the point…every third game or so is competitive?
I can go down to the court and play with guys who will give me a run for my money on the court….or I can go to the middle school and beat up on some little kids playing ball. Granted the little kids have a lot of growing up to do so maybe they should loose but wouldn’t you rather play (or watch in the NBA’s case) the more evenly matched competition.
Ok that is a really really bad analogy but you get my point? (and to be honest the middle schoolers would totally kick my ass anyway)
But the point is that for all of the hype and ticket selling ability that Miami will have this year, if the entire league was made up of just 6 or so mega teams then what is the point of the league. I am not for continually bailing out by owners/GMs due to their bad trades, coaching etc…but the draft is a way to help the run down and it keeps teams somewhat competitive.
If Yao and Martin are going out to dinner together and get hit by a car or something there goes our team. Instant lottery team, through no fault of our own, and freak accidents, retirements etc.. happen to good, well run teams. The draft lets them get back into it quicker than otherwise waiting to sign a good FA or make a trade for half their remaining players for one star player. Thats not necessarily helping the TWolves or the Clippers…that happens to lots of teams.
Basically I disagree with your entire attack on the rules that make the league more comeptitive. Sorry dude.
Also worth bringing up
Look at the MLB, the standard bearer for no salary cap. How many titles do the Yankees have compared to the rest of the MLB? How the hell does Kansas City have a team? NBA Franchises don’t sell like you think they do, Clutch. If we were to remove the salary cap, say good bye to Houston ever winning a title again when they have to compete with revenue generated in LA, NY, Boston, and Miami (now).
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
No. The big markets still only have room for one starting PG, one starting SG, etc. An average market rate will emerge that teams will offer to players. Once in a generation talents like Michael and Kobe will always make more money. Also, the great players make their money in endorsements so it makes sense for them to go to places where they get playing time and minutes, not just go where the best players are.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 4, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Care to elaborate on where your fantasy world situations come from?
New York outfits a baseball team with more people than an NBA roster and accommodates as much money as they can take in, if you remove the salary cap, the same thing happens in the NBA. Your argument has been disproven by your lack of ability to make a coherent retort.
I win.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
but why invest on a product that may never be about to compete and get you returns?
It’ll be like gambling in a rigged casino, or buying the company eMachines to compete with HP, ACER, Lenovo, Apple and other big players.
by NVP on Sep 4, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Very briefly
Do you like how it works in baseball where the Yankees spent 2x-5x more than many teams to assemble an all star roster? Do you like how they never really pay for their mistakes because their cash flow is so good a bad signing doesn’t hurt them?
Right.
LA already spends more than anyone else (Dallas is close) despite the cap and lux tax. Let’s just take all constraint off them, eh?
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how many rings does Dallas have? LA has its rings because of Kobe and Shaq who CHOSE to go there because they are a good franchise.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 2, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Still can't agree.
How many dozen titles do the Yankees have?
Sports franchises and leagues are not a free market. They are a very artificial construct. Salary caps and so forth are just part of the overall fabricated nature of sports leagues.
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Hmm
The point is, demanding “free market” conditions in a completely artificial environment like a sports league makes little sense to me. You are just declaring one tiny spot of a completely constrained and constructed situation to be “free”.
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Worst. Post. Ever.
Salary cap doesn’t limit the contracts players get, the CBA does that in order to allow efficient use of salaries around the league. If anything the NBA Needs a hard cap and the draft needs to remain. The draft at least ensures bottom dwelling teams get a chance at a franchise player to turn them around.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
they continue to get chances forever and great young players keep getting sent to the hell that is the LA Clippers. Meanwhile teams that actually have decent management get penalized for being professional
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 2, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, i see ur point there..
just kidding. no one does.
I found 83 cents in my backyard after last night's party..I'm not returning it until the owner describes what coins were lost in EXACT change. -Willie White's status
by chuckhayesALLSTAR2010 on Sep 2, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
i think we all see that you are still bitter for having your ron artest look-alike post mocked. If I had known it would make you so angry and bitter, I wouldn’t have done it. I was just joking with you, bro.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 4, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea I have to agree with everyone else on this one
sorry clutchfansince94 but this gets a big UNREC’D
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
I don't normally promote or condone any form of suicide
but I don’t see any other path towards redemption after this epic abomination of a fanpost.
I found 83 cents in my backyard after last night's party..I'm not returning it until the owner describes what coins were lost in EXACT change. -Willie White's status
by chuckhayesALLSTAR2010 on Sep 2, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
never mind
rereading it, I figured out an (admittedly weak) alternative..you can play this shitstorm off as satire, followed by a “WHAT THE HELL PEOPLE?! IS SARCASM A FOREIGN LANGUAGE TO ALL OF HOUSTON?!? JESUS!!”
that, or suicide.
I found 83 cents in my backyard after last night's party..I'm not returning it until the owner describes what coins were lost in EXACT change. -Willie White's status
by chuckhayesALLSTAR2010 on Sep 2, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Better to Just start over...
And Change ur name to ClutchFanSince2010……
BTW, worst idea ever. I think the NBA has the best rules put in place compare to the NFL and MLB. There still can be improvements, but your ideas make it worse. If a player doesnt want to drafted by a sorry team, he can opt out of the draft and get a regular job. Playing in the NBA has small set backs compared to the millions you are going to make.
I never feel sorry for any player who makes millions and bitches about money or anything else. Too many people unemployed, having way more issues than them.
I don't think it's the worst idea ever.
There are a lot of contenders worse than this. The 1970s revival for instance.
I just don’t think it would work, and would be counter productive.
IF the point is, however, that teams need a way to mitigate the damage of albatross guaranteed deals, I tend to agree, though not with the proposed solution.
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The Dreamshake
You should post another thread about how you saw a 5 foot 9 Ron Artest look alike and describe what he was wearing. LOL.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 2, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
i bet
if I did repost that story, I’d at least have some type of support. and if I somehow didn’t, i still wouldn’t cry and pout that i’m right and everyone else is a stupid silly-head.
I found 83 cents in my backyard after last night's party..I'm not returning it until the owner describes what coins were lost in EXACT change. -Willie White's status
by chuckhayesALLSTAR2010 on Sep 2, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It appears that the mindless drones continue to spout out what their authority tells them is the best thing for everyone.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 2, 2010 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
"mindless drones"? hmm..who would say such a thing..
u sounded familiar. found ya!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HPHecEzinM&feature=related
I found 83 cents in my backyard after last night's party..I'm not returning it until the owner describes what coins were lost in EXACT change. -Willie White's status
by chuckhayesALLSTAR2010 on Sep 2, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this no visionary moment sir
some people make ipods, some people make zunes(actually I’m pretty sure chinese makes them both,but you get the point)
by NVP on Sep 2, 2010 8:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So you have an idea that amounts to a stillbirth
and we’re the mindless ones? Welcome to a low point.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
I wouldn't be surprised
if this post gets deleted like the last post that was a fake carmelo trade.
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
I believe in a hard cap that no team can go over (free market principles only apply to actual free markets where anyone can start a team etc...)
but what puzzles me is that lottery system part of the draft. It is just unclear to me why they don’t just give the worst teams from the prior season the first pick and continue from there. Why give it a chance that the worst team may get the 2nd, 3rd, etc…pick instead? Does anyone know the reason? Or is this just to build more interest in the draft?
It is because
they don’t want teams to intentionally tank the season just to get the top pick. The controversy around that decision was in (I think) the ‘84 draft when David Stern accused the Rockets of intentionally tanking the season in oreder to draft Hakeem Olajuwon with the #1 pick. The very next draft the NY Knicks (which just happened to be David Stern’s home town team and biggest market in the NBA) recieved the top pick in the firet NBA Lottery and drafted C Patrick Ewing. Speculation was that Stern rigged the lottery by bending the corner of the envelope that was for the Knicks and he looked for that particular one. Here is the link for the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mN3OGRGybA
GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!
ok...
that explains it…I guess but it still seems silly to do, but I guess if it got us the Dream, it was worth the cost and the new silly procedure.
The best part is that Dream kicked Ewing’s ass all over the court in the NBA, after loosing to him in the NCAA tourney. The dream kicks ass and Ewing is an idiot.
Thanks for the info.
because when you make regulations to limit what people want to do, then you will invariably keep having to make new regulations when people find ways to exploit the first set of regulations. What you are left with is a mess of rules that few people can decipher.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 3, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a little too much name calling.
But the internet was not only invented for porn, but for pointless argument. Who am I to say no to that?
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it wasn't invented only for porn? Who knew?
I though the pointless argument was just a side mistake that seemed to happen along the main purpose: to allow people to view “art” well that and watch it for the articles
Weird, I know.
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This post reminds of the the movie Madagascar II: Back to Africa. Someone (me) suggests going off the wilderness preserve and everyone mocks him for how terrible it will be off the preserve, and how dangerous it is and how terrible things happen off the wilderness preserve. Then the main character goes off the preserve and it is actually a lot better than being on the preseve.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 6, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
reminds me
of Final Destination. It’s killin everybody, bro..
I found 83 cents in my backyard after last night's party..I'm not returning it until the owner describes what coins were lost in EXACT change. -Willie White's status
by chuckhayesALLSTAR2010 on Sep 6, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
In that movie
is the preserve the character’s rectum? Because seeing all your responses I’m pretty sure that’s exactly where you’ve burrowed.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
by BD34 on Sep 6, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
is the preserve
what?
I found 83 cents in my backyard after last night's party..I'm not returning it until the owner describes what coins were lost in EXACT change. -Willie White's status
by chuckhayesALLSTAR2010 on Sep 6, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think...
his head is up his butt. That’s all man.
I'm always right, this isn't conjecture, merely statement of fact.
At least that's a little funny.
Your idea isn’t so bad, but look, you want a league with only the 15 smartest teams, because that’s what you’d get with your system. I keep saying this – sports leagues are utterly artificial constructs. Add salary caps, drafts and so forth doesn’t make them more artificial, but it does allow the likes of OKC to stay in the same league as LA. Why change that?
You want something better in the draft? How about this – have a Dutch auction for draft picks. BUT the worst teams start out with a pile of “house” money.
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I dont know how I feel about that
does the player that’s being auctioned off has to be on the podium while the owner(mostly rich white people) raise their little sign and say their offer? cause you know what that looks like
No, no, this would happen long before the draft.
No “person” is being auctioned off. Draft picks are – all of them,
Basically there are as many picks as there are teams in each round, like now. But instead of saying “Ok here’s your lottery spot, and here’s your spot for your record” we say “Ok bid on a pick in the first round.” Each team gets a certain amount of “funny money” based on their record (last place gets a lot, first place hardly any). Then you bid on the slot you want. You add the “funny money” to real money.
So last place gets, for example only, $10 million in “funny money” and first gets $500k. But if the #1 team really wants the first pick they can bid $10 million of their own money, plus the 500k. So the last place team would have to bid a bid more than their funny money number of $10 million to get the pick. You can only buy one pick in the auction, and all the teams share the revenues from the bidding process equally. Maybe the five worst teams all get the same money – you do it in tiers, perhaps. Not sure, just a thought experiment really.
Is this really better? Probably not, but man, it would keep people’s interest during the off season.
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If you didn't win a bid for a pick, you get slotted behind all the teams that did.
Ah – I’m going to have to write a little essay to explain the concept bettter.
Just ignore this.
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go for it, but expect lots of people to shoot it down without even thinking because it differs from their narrow world view that they are attached to
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 6, 2010 11:33 PM CDT reply actions
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If you didn’t win a bid for a pick, you get slotted behind all the teams that did. Ah – I’m going to have to write a little essay to explain the concept bettter.
Just ignore this.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 6, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I've tried to answer you thoughtfully.
I just think that no party with an interest in the running of the NBA would go for it. It hurts the the bad and mediocre ownership, and it hurts the players union. So now you’ve got maybe 10 teams pushing for it, maybe. That won’t get it done.
Also, it looks remarkably like European soccer in the top leagues, and that is right now proving to be full of “winner’s curse” scenarios and also an English league that can only be won by 3-4 clubs for the foreseeable future, and all of them are big big spenders, mostly owned by Russian billionaires and sheiks. Why would you wish that on the NBA?
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I wasn’t referring to you. You have clearly put thought into your answers. I agree that it wouldn’t happen because too many bad owners want to be protected from them horrible decision making. I was referring to others who seem to become very angry when someone suggests someone change some longstanding rule.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 6, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
it's not because you proposea rule change
It’s the rule change itself does the league more harm than good
also, soccer and baseball are different in that you have to recruit a much larger team. In basketball, you only have five players on the court at any given time. I do think that big markets would spend more, BUT they spend more right now and that hasn’t stopped New York from being horrible and OKC from re-signing Durant for a relative bargain. I just think good management will attract or find enough good players to stay competitive, like what DM has done with Houston under the current system.
by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 6, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Durant would've never been at OKC in the first place
neither will most of that team, because they were all drafted. You think KD would be a thunder if he had the choice to play at his hometown for big money.
The much larger team also allow the dilution of talent, where in basketball, it would be too easy to collect 5 great players backed by decent or even horrible talent. Playing time may drive some players to seek job elsewhere,but they would also face the pressure of wanting to compete with great player and only ally themselves with other super teams
that is really all speculation.
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by ClutchFanSince94 on Sep 7, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
speculation is convient
like believing league will shift toward performance base contracts and parity will maintain by playing time.
and it’s really not speculation, because fact is that OKC built that team through the draft, in an open market competition, few of those talent would end up there
I quit reading comments.
But ya this is retarded. No salary cap huh, no draft….u see what the nfl is going thru just trying to get these unproven rookies to just sign with their teams? No salary cap? you realize owners are losing money as it is? You think any player will agree to void their contract? Use your brain. pro athletes with their agents have more leverage with their agents than organizations do as a whole. How many overpaid players do we see and bitch about? How many non-rookie contract underpaid players do we see and praise?
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