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Around SBN: Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant's Post-Game 5 Outfits

US wins FIBA World Championship, Texans dominate Colts

It's a good day in Houston (Cowboys stunk up the joint in DC, too).

I've just gotten a chance to watch the USA-Turkey game.  Two things stood out - Durant can't be stopped.  If a defender is tall enough, he's not fast enough to guard Durant.  If he's fast enough, he's not tall enough.  And if he's both?  Durant still scores.  He's could end up one of the best scorers of all time, and his D isn't awful (ask Ricky Rubio and Rudy Fernandez).

Here's something else I like about Durant.  He cares.  He wants to be there, representing the USA.  The rest of the team wanted to be there too.  I understand if a player doesn't want to go, but I'm glad that the (mostly very young) guys who DID want to go won the tourney in convincing fashion.  The USA simply wore down opponents with athleticism, speed and a heaping helping of Kevin Durant.  

More gushing praise of Durant after the jump.

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Is Kevin Durant and a speedy, athletic, undersized and motivated unit enough to beat the best national teams in the world, even on their home courts?  Yes, evidently, it is.  Remember before and during the tourney, Team USA beat Spain in Spain, Greece in Greece, and now Turkey in Istanbul. Anyone who says Team USA is can't handle the pressure of big time international basketball, guess again.  

The US team adapted to every opponent, and only the athletic and large Brazilian team really posed a threat.  A threat which Luis Scola and Argentina kindly eliminated before we faced them again.  Sometimes it goes that way, but often it goes that way because a team has the best path in the tournament, thanks to not losing any games, which the USA managed.  

Now the USA won't have to qualify for the London Olympics.  Not that we wouldn't have, but it can avoid a lot of meaningless games if we choose that. 

This (very young) iteration of Team USA can ride into the sunset having never tasted defeat.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Super Duper NBA stars.

In other news...

And Lo, as was foretold, Terrell Davis would come again.  And he would smite the mighty, the proud would he vanquish, and the undersized frontline would he destroy.

Or, Peyton Manning goes for 400+ plus yards, Schaub goes for about 100 and the Colts lose going away.  This was the best win in Texans history.  The Texans put the wood to the AFC champs, and a team we'd only beaten once in the whole history of the franchise.  Both lines dominated the game, and sacked Peyton twice and put him down 10 times.  Only Manning and his receiving corps could have made it close with an endless succession of 4 yard slants.  The Texans fought off their tendency to self destruct, and Arian Foster looked to be, like Terrell Davis before him, the perfect back for the Kubiak/Denver system. 

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I understand if a player doesn’t want to go, but I’m glad that the (mostly very young) guys who DID want to go won the tourney in convincing fashion.

But as the announcers asked during the game, what would you do if you’re Coach K for the London Games? Do you reward the guys who actually qualified you for the Olympics in 2012, or do you allow the superstars of the country to just show up for the glory? I think you can tell how I feel.

Sure, a bunch of players from the last team won’t be needed again (Michael Redd, Tayshaun Prince, and Carlos McDoucher are no longer needed).

And it’s (really) easy to say that Kevin Durant should play on that team. He should play a lot. But where can you put him in? On a team with Dwayne Wade, Kobe, LeBron, and Carmelo owning the wing positions, where does Durant fit? In Carmelo’s spot, you would presume. But remember, Melo actually played pretty unselfishly in 08 and was there to muscle up bigger threes and some fours. What’s more, Coach K used Deron Williams at the two as well when he wanted to go small.

That’s all gonna suck for Coach K, but I doubt he gives a shit right now. Hopefully, it’ll work itself out.

How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!

by ak2themax on Sep 13, 2010 1:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I say you split the team 50/50 for London 2012, if that's even possible.

Half of the players from this current squad and half from the pool of players who are resting and didn’t play. This Team USA “B team” got the qualification so it’s only right that some of the main contributors get some love for 2012. I also think young players like Steph Curry wouldn’t mind giving up their spot for Kobe or D-Wade.

London 2012 Roster:

Guards:
Kobe
D-Wade
D-Will
CP3
Chauncey
Westbrook

Forwards:
Melo
LeBron
Durant
Odom

Centers:
Howard
Bosh

^ 4 from the B team, 8 from the A team. Would love to include Eric Gordon if the roster cap was at 13 and not 12.

by Type G on Sep 13, 2010 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you probably got the ratio about right.

But I doubt Billups and Westbrook make the cut over young-player-to-be-named-later (Wall? Griffin?) and Rose. Rose definitely over Westbrook, as he was one of the US’s best players in the tourney an outplayed Westbrook handily in every game except Russia and Lithuania. As for Billups, his job on this team was to be the “veteran.” Unless he is just rewarded for participating in this tournament, he won’t be needed on a team with as many medals as this one has.

And I wouldn’t be surprised if Odom and Kobe decide that they’re done, or get injured, or are just too tired. Especially if they have 2 MORE runs to the finals in the next two years. Kobe already has one medal, and he’ll be 34 then. With a lot of mileage.

My guess for the roster. If you allow caveats I’d say that three of Bryant, Odom, Griffin, and Wall make it, depending on who retires from international competition and how many guards K wants.

Guards:
Paul
Williams
Rose
Wade
Bryant

Forwards:
Anthony
James
Durant
Odom
Griffin

Centers:
Howard
Bosh

Starters:
Paul, Wade, Durant, James, Howard (or Wade, Durant, James, Anthony, Howard. Ouch.)

by Moondebah on Sep 13, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

My feeling is

set up a new rule.

If the USA wins the World Championship the guys who were on that team get a first look at the Olympics. So if the whole team wants to come back and play for the US in the Olympics? Fine, they can, because they won the world title. If the US doesn’t win, it’s an open selection process.

I’m sure 3-5 guys won’t be able or willing to do the Olympics for various reasons, and that allows for 3-5 willing superstars to join up.

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by Xiane on Sep 13, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do you feel about this:

If you played in two consecutive worlds/olympics, you get to take one off and still be a member of the team; or at least have right of first refusal for the spots that open up. That way people who were on the 06 team and the 08 team (but have legitimate “I need time off” concerns, like Paul and Wade) don’t have to put their bodies at risk every other summer.

Don’t like that rule? How about 3 consecutive worlds/olympics (which includes LeBron, Wade, and Anthony) gives you permission to take the following one off.

 In general I like consistency, but my first love is the NBA and having people give 110% to both their country and their team too often ends up hurting both (if only I could think of an example…). I think the “problem” this time around was that the entire olympic team didn’t re-up, and part of that is based on the fact that pretty much the entire team was brought into the fold at exactly the same time, so they all needed a break at about the same time.

Once Colangelo has been implementing the system through a few cycles then things will be staggered more and every year we will get 3-5 repeats, 3-5 newbies, and 3-5 “generation skippers” who played before, just not consecutively. At least that’s my ideal system.

by Moondebah on Sep 13, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the two consecutive then opt out with no penalty.

I don’t know how you mesh that with my system – I like that if you show up and win, you can come back. That seems fair too. Not sure how you resolve it.

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by Xiane on Sep 14, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m sure Coach K would say that you resolve it by showing up to training camp and him telling you whether you get cut or not.

And if you had it so that people from more than one team were potentially guaranteed a spot, then you could end up with a team of all guards (if all the forwards happen to rest and all the guards from the previous team had served consecutively), so you have to have some managerial finagling in there somewhere.

Not that we didn’t just do pretty good with a team made entirely of guards.

by Moondebah on Sep 14, 2010 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I come up with lovely philosophy and what do you do?

Shoot it down with mundane reality.

What if they are ALL power forwards? Huh? Our power forwards can kick their power forwards any day of the week! Odom can play point! We can do it!

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by Xiane on Sep 14, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not unreasonable.

Hedo just made all-tournament as a guard.

by Moondebah on Sep 14, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Other Houston teams do this too. The Texans want an all TE team.

By the way, I’m wondering if we will see Patterson at SF some, now that Budinger is injured.

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by Xiane on Sep 14, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last I heard, Bud should be good by training camp. Since most position work is done in camp, Patterson shouldn’t have to fill in for him at all. Not that I’m one of those who thinks that “time off now is good for Budinger” because a lot of conditioning and drills and stuff are done now, but once he’s cleared for drills and stuff like that I don’t think they’ll have Pit Pat doing anything that he otherwise wouldn’t have been.

by Moondebah on Sep 14, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the two consecutive commitments idea.

When you’ve reached legit superstar status I think you deserve a few passes here and there, regarding to whether you get a rest for the summer or shoe-in to be selected for the team. Any of the younger players who haven’t paid their dues yet shouldn’t have a problem with that; they need to “know their role.”

I also think that a player’s NBA team/job should be priority number one. But props to some of the international players who are die hard proud to represent their country and actually relish the opportunity to do so. It’s a tough balance playing for both your NBA and national team… which is why I think Yao Ming should opt for cyborg surgery. Mr. Glass no more!

by Type G on Sep 14, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Texans beating the Colts

is better than the Rockets winning a ring. That is how serious it is 2 me. Yesterday was the greatest day of my life.

GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!

by batman713 on Sep 13, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I enjoyed it a lot.

But I enjoyed the Rockets titles more. As I said elsewhere, it’s good to get the horse off our backs, but it’s only one win. We need 9 or 10 more, and this is a brutal, brutal schedule.

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by Xiane on Sep 13, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have gotten a lot of grief

from these guys that dont like the texans but love the colts so that is why i am so happy. lets see what they say now

GO ROCKETS, GO TEXANS, GO ASTROS (EVEN THOUGH THEY SUCK)!!!

by batman713 on Sep 14, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

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