Dear Aaron Brooks: NO ONE gets an extension. Deal with it.
by grungedave on Sep 29, 2010 9:08 AM CDT
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PrintHey, ABZ,
I hear you are upset about your contract situation with the Rockets. A bit bummed that your backup is making 2.5x what you will this year? Yeah, it is totally unfair, I know. But here are a few facts you need to know:
(a) The Rockets simply DO NOT give contract extensions. They didn't even give one to Yao this summer. They never gave one to Hakeem. Or Clyde or Charles. It's simply team policy to not do contract extensions. Aaron Brooks not being any exception to this long-established rule;
(b) You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else on the roster;
(c) You are a midget, and aside from Allen Iverson (who is wayyyy overrated anyway), it is rare that an NBA team is successful when dedicating that much money to a player of your size. Sorry, but facts are facts;
(d) Daryl Morey is not dumb. In fact he's like a genius or something. He knows that you just turned in a career year and there is about a 1% chance you average 19 ppg again this year. He is therefore aware that a contract re-negotiation at this time would not exactly be in his best interests. He'll wait until your numbers regress a little bit back to the mean;
and
(e) I will agree to take this all back and support you hitting the mother-lode on your next contract if you agree to stop missing free throws in the 4th quarters of close games. Deal?
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what are u stupid?
are u nuts? bloody morey.. give him an xtension/increase his salary or something!!
bloody hell.. brooks is too good of a player to lose!
give him his bloody salary increase!!!!
give one reason to do this that isn't "because I like him"
It is idiotic. Only Kevin Durant, the 3rd best player in the league (and eventually best) got an extension. You don’t give extensions when you don’t have to and Brooks will be a restricted free agent in a year that a lockout is almost guaranteed. It’s just stupid.
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by Mike Kerns on Sep 29, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
but...
he like carried the team last season. alright fair enough it was a team effort,
but hey who got most improved… surely that counts for something…
and for him to be making the 10th highest salary in the team.. geez…
while yes i like him, he is absolute awesome!
he deserves something more… he is so worth MORE than 2 mill…
Yes, he is worth more than $2 mil
And if a raise to $4 million and a multi-year extension at $4mil/yr would make Aaron happy, then I’m sure the Rockets would do it, but the only extension Brooks would accept at this point would be a huge, multi-year extension at the top of Brooks perception of what his value will be next summer.
Tell the Rockets “I’m willing to take a significant yearly pay cut right now in order to secure my long-term financial stability” and I’m sure the Rockets would listen.
nope
Even if it was a raise to $2.5M, that would set a bad precedent. Which is why the Rockets will not consider any sort of raise/extension at this time.
but..
like yao and like t-back and like artest was no longer playing on this squad so someone HAD to to step up, happens to be AB, and if we traded Mandry before the season maybe the award woulda went to Scola.. just a thought.. AB is really good but he’ll be extended after the season if everything works out
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Sure he's worth more than 2 million.
That doesn’t mean the Rockets should feel obligated to increase his pay. Did Brian Cook feel the need to give his $3 million back? No. Of course not. That would be stupid. This isn’t the NFL; players and teams are actually expected to honor contracts that they’ve signed.
I agree
I feel like people forget the whole purpose of a contract. If you feel like you’re going to be worth more than what you will be paid in the future then dont sign that long of a contract. Just because a player “outperforms” his contract doesn’t mean he should get paid more during his contract years. It seems like players forget they are supposed to perform well. Players complain when they feel they should be payed more, but let an owner complain about the player being over paid and see what happens. Nice one with the Brian Cook thing.
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That's just turrible
they should
add some bonuses to his contract if he meets certain numbers
ummm why?
Why would they ever pay someone more than they have to when they have his rights indefinitely? That would be Isiah Thomas dumb.
not sure this is legal
Brooks is under the Rookie salary scale, which determines how much he can make. I believe the only way to get Brooks more money is through a contract extension.
AB
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the Rockets sign Ishmeal Smith to a multi year contract? We all know that Lowry received his money so the question I have for someone in the know is this Is Ishmeal Smith as good or better than AB? They are both 6’ so size wouldn’t be to eithers advantage. Does anyone think that AB will be traded and that Ishmeal and Lowry will be the PG’s with Ismeal being Lowry’s back-up? If I read correctly and they (the Rockets) did sign Ishmeal to a multi year contract, then why would they do that if they were just going to send him on his way to the D League?
With only 12 spots on the roster and there still doubt about the center position ( how long Yao will last), your back-up 35 years old and hurt ,looking to add another C will they really have room to carry 3 PG’s on the roster? So again is AB on his way out?
I believe it's a non-guaranteed deal
so that would have something to do if so
But no, he isn’t anywhere close to Brooks
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by chuckhayesALLSTAR2010 on Sep 29, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions
anything of substance to add by any chance ;)
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Ever since they signed Smith
I’ve been thinking they may try to trade Brooks, but I don’t know any teams that we could deal him to and get something we need in return. But I would be quite surprised if this article is legit. I’ve never heard or seen aaron get upset with the organization before. I don’t know what is going on, I wish I were on the Rockets staff just so I could hear what they are planning. I am willing to bet it’s nothing we’ve imagined.
by WorrellforThree on Sep 29, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions
Like I said when we re-signed Lowry
I figured Brooks would whine about it eventually. I probably would too if the mail clerk at my office was getting paid almost three times as much as me. But the bottom line is this; whine all you want. But if you mail it in this year because you’re unhappy…well, then that isn’t the guy I want leading my team anyways and I say ship him on out.
Just my opinion.
Good post, Dave.
How did he whine
quote please. All he said was he was unhappy and he was stressed. He wasn’t pulling a Jamaal Crawford or anything like that. He also said he understands this is a business.
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well....
“Asked if he felt he deserves a contract extension, Brooks said, “Oh, no doubt. I deserve at least discussions.”"
… anyone who (a) knows the team policy against contract extensions and (b) still complains of not having “discussions” about one … that person is whining.
He was asked a question about his contract
Its not like he brought it up like other players do. Media guys are such instigators. Always making stuff look like something it’s not.
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solution?
Tell the media to fuck off. You’re allowed to do that, you know.
Comparison: You don’t hear Shane asking or even talking about his own contract, do you? And since he’s older, his contract situation has to be even more stressful.
Shane isnt MIP
Shane is the Rockets most declining player, he doesnt deserve to whine. Im not saying Brooks isnt whining but you cant compare the two.
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by Bo$$man on Sep 29, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, in actuality
If anyone deserves to whine it’s Shane…
and he might be the one guy Morey would listen to if he voiced his complaints.
I agree that's the ideal solution
But Battier’s situation is much different. Battier has made most of the money he’s going to make in the NBA, and his next contract will like be for less money than he’s currently making. Brooks stands to make far more in the future than he has made thus far, and his next contract is likely a big raise.
It’s natural for Brooks to be frustrated with the situation, even if he understands why things are the way they are and why the Rockets take the stance they do. So is it reasonable to expect him to never let any of this get to the media? If we start hearing variations of this story every week or so, with Brooks making new comments, then I’ll change my tune.
Who brought it up?
The article was unclear who brought up the contract issue. If Brooks brought it up-and w/his agent meeting Morey,looks like this is something Brooks has on his mind-it’s a different thing altogether than responding to a question out of blue.
Whining?
I guess it is if you think team policy is something dictated by God. But it isn’t. It’s the business stance of Brooks’ employer, that’s all it is. He’s not obliged to support it, or love it, or agree with it.
Brooks isn’t obliged to believe “Well, that’s what the team wants, and what’s best for their bottom line, so I’d be a bad person if I wanted something different and said so, because it’s, you know, company policy.” So what?
There’s no indication from what I read that Brooks won’t honor his contract, and there’s no indication that the Rockets won’t pay him. And it’s not uncommon for teams to do extensions in the NBA.
So Brooks is going public with what he wants, and he has a contract negotiation coming up in less than a year. This isn’t surprising, and it doesn’t make him a bad guy. It doesn’t make the Rockets bad guys.
Employees who are fungible generally keep their mouths shut and say “Yes, sir.” when it comes to company policy. Those with rarer skills don’t have to do that, particularly when their employment is on a contract basis and they are undervalued in terms of what their skills command on the open market. Brooks falls in the second category.
Will this get him what he wants? Probably not. Will it hurt his contract negotiations later? Only if he lets it affect his performance.
This is business, nothing else, flinging around terms like whining is nothing more than taking the part of one side in a business negotiation because you like their position better.
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by Xiane on Sep 29, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
By the way.
I think the Rockets policy is a sound one, and avoids both extra expense and useless drama. I completely understand it, and generally agree. I’m just pointing out that Brooks’ position isn’t bizarre. It is most likely futile, however.
And I understand that the whole point of signing undervalued players is to get extra value. Re-pricing their deals negates that.
I also have sympathy for Brooks’ position and don’t think he was really looking to air his grievances, but did take an opportunity to do so.
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by Xiane on Sep 29, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
This is a tempest in a teapot, but it’s pre-season…
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Blowing things out of proportion
He’s not actively sitting around griping, he announced that he thinks he has earned at least a discussion on his contract, and the Rockets DO engage in those. They don’t extend but they’ll talk. Everything he said was totally feasible that he was disappointed he doesn’t have much by way of an extension talk but he wasn’t sitting there decrying the organization or making any problems. He said he had more on his game to work on and that he wants to continue to improve this year.
Certainly you can construe it into a shitstorm and judging by most of the opinions already presented there’s already an aggressive stance against the guy already for stating things that are ridiculously neutral. I’m gonna take the level headed approach and just say play your heart out young man, we need you to keep it up.
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by BD34 on Sep 29, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I told you a while
back he was going to want a major raise, when Lowry got his new deal. I just thought he would wait till after the season. But you insisted that he would not say anything. We dont need any distractions, especially from him. A healthy Yao is way more important then him, and yes he is coming back from an injury but he is not complaining about an extension.
by since86rocketsfan on Oct 1, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummm...
I said he probably wouldn’t raise a fuss, and he isn’t. Yao is rightfully not complaining about an extension because he’s coming off an injury season. Brooksy just said he feels he at least earned the right to talk because of his career season. Also, where the crap did you go? I assumed you faded off the internets.
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I'm sure a channel of communication
would eventually open up, just not now
if AB suddenly blows up with 19 pt and 8 assist a game by mid-season, i’m sure a lot of talking will be done. now is not the time. Plenty of player gets that extension and start to play lax, I’m not saying he would do that, but it’s an unnecessary risk for teams to take, I always thought usually only espn superstars and desperate teams do extensions
Wow
I don’t think any of you are grasping the severity of this situation. He’ll only be making ~$2 million this year. Pennies!
by rocketfrog on Sep 29, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
It's not about absolute dollars.
It’s about what your peers make for the same performance. Few people want to be paid less than average for their work, even if less than average is a lot of money.
I have some sympathy for Brooks trying to get a better deal. He can ask, no problem. The problem comes if he doesn’t perform on his current deal, because that’s what he signed, of his own free will.
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Besides just the money
He knows his contract and value for the money makes him a very attractive trade chip. I’m sure that’s crossed his mind.
if traded, would he still be a restricted free agent next summer?
or would the new team lose the right to match offers?
That question significantly changes his trade value: he doesn’t make enough money to be of value as an expiring contract.
wow
nothing would change he would still be restricted
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I agree
he really doesn’t make enough money to be of any value in a trade. Most of the other players getting paid the same amount as Brooks are no where near as talented as him. The only way I see he gets thrown in a trade is if it’s for a superstar and the salaries almost match and Brooks is just for performance value rather than contract value.
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That's just turrible
Not so
Underpriced players are extremely valuable in trades. Carl Landry was valuable because he was signed for an extra year at under market. Sac got to move Kevin Martins expensive deal out, and take Landry’s cheap one in.
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I agree,
but what I was saying was salary wise I don’t think AB’s 2 mil or less would make that huge of a difference with what the rockets could offer unless it was Kevin Martin or Yao’s contracts or if it was with a lot of players. But I guess that doesn’t really matter in a multiple team trade so you sir have bested me.
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That's just turrible
Jefferies is an expensive expiring deal to pair with soemthing.
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I think
Unless it’s a multiple team deal wher the trade exception is used and maybe even if it’s not that Battier will be included. People say dot trade Battier the they say Battier won’t do well with the second unit well if we’re trading for Iggy or Granger or whatever small forward then Battier probably has to go unless he cam fit with the second unit and/or the team(s) we’re trading with don’t want him
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That's just turrible
AB will get more cash.
But for now, he’s got to play hard and wait it out.
How do I know that?
Because that’s essentially what he said.
Why is this post trying to turn it into something other than that?
Maybe because they just don’t like AB and trying to stir up drama.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Sep 29, 2010 3:15 PM CDT reply actions
no
ABZ took the Comicle bait and allowed it to be a story. I’m commenting on that story. I understand if he’s upset about being relatively underpaid, but he has to know that talking to the media about his contract is only going to make it worse. So I’m duly ripping him for stupidly opening his mouth and letting people outside the proverbial family know what he’s thinking.
Why even rip him for opening his mouth? He’s entitled to his opinion on his contract just as much as any other player in the league is, regardless if “team policy” is to not offer contract extensions. If anything, it gives him a tiny bit of leverage in the court of public opinion because most of the city loves AB and wants him on the team and will look to Morey to re-sign him or even begin talks early about an extension.
He also knows the market for the coming season and knows the league is in talks about a new CBA and he just wants to be taken care of under the current structure than the new one in which he’ll runs the risk of making the same amount of money since all of the owners are so “strapped for cash” and less than 10% of the league is running in the black.
So, good for AB and I hope he gets what he’s looking for.
by Broward83 on Sep 29, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's a difference here...
Brooks expressed his concerns in a reasonable fashion.
Dave criticized Brooks in an unreasonable fashion.
I’d even argue it’s disrespectful the way Dave prodded at Brooks.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Sep 30, 2010 11:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure what people are concerned about.
Brooks is a professional. He won’t mail it in, and he’ll get paid next year. He knows it. No need to overreact.
Still, wondering how we deal with him. One guy on Clutchfans did observe something – with the exception of Granger, every player who has won the MIP goes on to get injured or gets some stupid contract.
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No one is concerned at all
It’s just dumb of Aaron to say a single word. It’s not going to help him at all. I’d say it has a 3% chance at hurting him and a 0% chance at helping. So why even push the 3%?
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hey
are u insinuating that Ab chokes under pressure? cuz thats kinda sorta what it sounds like
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I'll insinuate that
Or flat out say it.
It’s okay, he’s still a damn good player. He’s just not a closer. Nothing wrong with it, just is what it is. Not everyone in the league is a closer. I’d rather a guy that plays good for 30 minutes and occasionally chokes in the last 2 than a guy that sucks for 30 minutes but never misses in the last two. In fact, can we have both and just use their minutes appropriately?
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I'll challenge that
More often than not, Brooks was the one and/or among several players who closed out games for Houston. Not even debatable.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Sep 30, 2010 11:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Look at the stats and the actual game logs
You are not correct
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probably unrelated
But I always have this sneaking feeling that Lakers might give Brooks a call if they had the money(and they probably do), just because he seems to fit that system with his shooting(and probably better than Fish on pretty much all facets)
That's an interesting, and sort of scary thought.
They’re way over the cap, but what’s money to them? (Unless we get a “hard cap”.) Brooks is a perfect triangle PG in the sense that he doesn’t have to be a great distributor but does have to be a great shooter.
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Hard cap ftw
so other people see it too, I mean it’ll take away from some of his speed game, but he does fit the system as an above average shooter, especially from long, that and you know, one less sushi chef out there(Yes I’ve given all PG in the league the honorary title of fish killer)
Obviously I’d HATE for this to happen, and It probably wont happen, but I shudder to think the alternative. Thankfully Parker will probably take center stage as the PG to get
A hard cap will level the field.
Right now the Lakers occupy the same financial territory as the Yankees. Their income and their market is so huge as put them in a different class from all the other teams. NYK could be that way if Dolan wasn’t a moron, but he is. Buss, on the other hand, can easily see what a championship is worth, versus the tax. So he pays and collects banners because he also really really likes to win. Gasol brought them one title as a steal, but they are (happily it seems) paying full freight for him now. LA remains, despite their spending, the most profitable NBA club, as I understand it.
As for Parker in LA, I think Brooks is probably a better fit. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see him there, after, that’s where his wife works.
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Brooks in LA over Phil's retired body
Phil prefers his PGs tall and would use Brooks as an off the bench energizer. But if Phil is gone…
But the team that would really love Brooks is Portland.
Portland is actually a worry.
As he’s from the NW and went to Oregon and is a basketball hero up there.
Above I meant that I thought Parker might go to LA. Brooks will talk to Portland I have no doubt. Portland might even offer a toxic deal to match like they did to Utah, we’ll see.
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Lots of teams would like a scoring point guard
LA is one. Miami could be another possibility. Portland, Charlotte, and other teams could trade and adjust for such a PG.
by Nobody is Better Than Jordan on Sep 30, 2010 12:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So I guess its time to shop AB then huh?
This has turned from a story being blown way out of proportion to now we are talking about teams we could deal him to.
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I Think
AB wants a contract extension exactly the same way he wants to be able to reach the top cabinet in his kitchen.
It would be nice but can live with out it.
by Ivan A on Sep 30, 2010 2:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lol unforunately he is only basketball short
unless we’re talking about the cabinets in Yao’s House
Aaaaaand as per the Chronicle today
Morey met with Leon Rose to discuss Brooks’ contract affirming the no extension but at least talking about it, yay for acknowledging the fact that it wasn’t a big deal at all.
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That's funny.
Well, at least they’ve talked.
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If it was not a big deal, he
would of kept his mouth shut. He needs to focus on being more consistent, and stop all the turnovers, and if he does that then he will get paid. (by the Rockets or another team)
by since86rocketsfan on Oct 1, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You remember this guy
We should just shut up and leave it. Or else it will look like our old arguments =P.
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I just want to find out how legit all
this sudden hate for AB is. It’s like people are just making up reasons to dislike the guy.
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aargh???
Did he just say Iverson was overrated???!!
by GreenRocket on Sep 30, 2010 8:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
ABZ, allow me to be your personal Yoda for a moment...
…although in english normal speak will I…
1) Do not air this laundry to the press,discuss it privately with management. I believe that is self explanatory.
2) You want a raise. I want a raise. Grunge Dave wants a raise….nobody cares until your contract expires and they HAVE to care.
3) As you have your whole life, let your game do your talking. I think it is fair to say, based on your stature, you have over achieved. Have another good year and this will take care of itself.
4) Take a deep breath and let this all pass. It means diddly squat. You are a starting point guard on an NBA team making 2mm per. You popped off when you prolly shouldn’t have. Learn from it and move on.
Oh, BTW, the Yoda thing has nothing to do with your size. Yoda DOES play better defense than you do, but keep improving and the money will come.
by albertchester1 on Oct 3, 2010 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
my nightmare:
Dear GrungeDave,
When I’m a free agent, I’ll be signing with the Lakers because I didn’t get an extension. Deal with it.
- AB
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by ClutchFanSince94 on Oct 14, 2010 6:09 AM CDT reply actions
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