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Melo out, Rockets fans, put the explosives away.

Two Things.

1) Nutshelled - I respectfully disagree with Mr. Kerns.  I think unless the cost to rent Carmelo Anthony is absurdly low, such a rental is best avoided.  Let me tell you a Houston sports story from days of yore...

Whatever the opposite of "In a nutshell" is: Long ago a gunslinger known as The Big Unit came to Houston.  As I see it, Carmelo Anthony is Randy Johnson.  Anyone remember that rental?  Sure it was baseball, but bear with me.  

When the Big Unit came over to our swamp, he said he wouldn't be staying.  Management spun frantically, saying, "Oh, he'll love us, he'll change his mind.  Houston is flat, hot, and obscure to the national media, who wouldn't stay?"  Despite these blandishments, the Unit departed.  Yes, he left a nice fat contract on the table, just like he said he would.  Now, he performed pretty well whilst here, but what did we give up?  (Remember this was back when Drayton was still funding an actual, good, farm system.)

Let's see - Freddy Garcia, a guy who was an ERA champ, all-star and went on to close out the Astros in Game 4 of the World Series, and Carlos Guillen, 3 time All Star who would have ably filled the sucking void the Astros laughingly called "shortstop" over the years.  Also there was John Halama - a useful lefty swingman who hung around for years. 

My guess is a trade for Carmelo Anthony would work out a lot like that for the Rockets.  A couple of future All-Stars, or near all-stars, (Patterson?  Williams? Hill?  Lee? Brooks? Budinger) a useful guy (Scola? Battier?) and perhaps a pick, for a guy who says he won't stay and will be as good as his word.  

There's one major difference, though, the Astros really were a contender when they traded for Randy Johnson.  They were riding high, and needed one last piece, another ace.  In the end it didn't help, but not because of Unit.  Can anyone say the Rockets are a piece away from challenging LA, Boston, Miami, Orlando, San Antonio?  Unless that piece is Dwight Howard, I'd say no.  

What does more scoring (ie Melo) get us?  Anything?  He won't defend as well as Battier, and another wing scorer isn't a pressing need.  We can't even play the ones we have (Terrence Williams).  Melo will put Houston on the "star map" again, for a couple of months.  As an 8 seed, perhaps, do you see Anthony helping us overpower LA or San Antonio?  Me either.

Star-divide

Now, if Denver badly overplays its hand, which is precisely what I think they're doing, then maybe this works.  Perhaps we get Melo for beyond cheap because Denver's real, actual, trading partners have left the table in disgust.  Then Morey tries to get something out of a S&T with the same max contract, only with Houston trading him to NYK or NJN this summer.  A nice idea, if the lockout doesn't bring the curtain down on that.

See, I think that there is posturing, and bluffing and what-not going with Denver and New Jersey.  But I also have personally been part of negotiations at a fairly high level.  I've seen cold-hearted pros get pissed off and walk away from a deal they truly wanted.  They were willing to pay, perhaps overpay. They weren't giving in to absurd demands, though. They would feel violated, demeaned and beaten.  People with big egos don't like that - that probably describes everyone involved in The Melo Situation.

Denver's demands are, frankly, absurd.  Remember, they can only actually deal with 2 teams out of the whole NBA because of McMelo & Wife.  This should give the Nets and Knicks bargaining power.  Only because the two New York teams are owned by a megalomaniac and a moron (Nets and Knicks, respectively) could Denver's requests be seriously entertained.

Derrick Favors, for example, is a 19 year old, 6'10" PF with all the NBA tools, and real skills.  He could have a better career than Anthony.  It's possible.  Besides that, by the time New Jersey is a contending team (as I see it) Favors will be in his early prime (24).  By that time Anthony will be 31, late prime, he'll also have sucked up any salary flexibility for building with youth in New Jersey for that period.

What is Denver offering, exactly?

From Denver the team acquiring Melo gets:

 

  1. The right to 1/2 season of The Basketball Stylings of Carmelo Anthony
  2. The Right To Sign Anthony to a Max Contract with an Extra Year of Paying Him The Max 
That's right, Nets or Knicks, you get the right to pay a 2nd tier superstar first tier money, money that will in fact almost certainly be lower for future deals of that sort after this summer's negotiations.  And for this Denver demands a Kings ransom?  Several players, salary relief, the #3 pick in a very good draft, picks and a partridge in a pear tree? 

 

So, in the end color me perplexed by this whole thing.  Teams trading away all their cheap valuable assets to sign a guy to what will become an untradable legacy deal?  I just don't see it.

 

2) Blow The Mother Up!  Do it Dude!

Nutshelled

Yes, I wrote a whole long piece saying that there was already a rebuilding team here in Houston.  Refer to it to see what I mean.

There's no need to blow anything up, because anything that's a legacy of the TMac/Yao dream (namely Battier's and Yao's high-dollar contracts) is going away in the offseason anyhow. The rest of the team is very young (excepting Miller and Scola).  

Luis Scola is movable, as he's out-producing Chris Bosh so far this season, but I don't see why you would do that except if you're really going to play all the kids all the time and someone offers you something very nice indeed.  Scola has shown he can do very well in a platoon, and his new platoon partner, 21 year old Patrick Patterson, will be ready soon.

Same with Kevin Martin.  Martin, whatever you may think, is a special scorer.  There aren't that many in the NBA.  If Martin played in Portland, and had 2-4 moving screens set for him every play he could easily average 30pts for a season.  Easily.  And he's cheap for that level of production, thus making him a valuable asset.  As he's only 27 though, there's no burning need to trade him before he turns into a moldy old pumpkin.  I see hanging him around like Reggie Miller.  

So I ask, blow up what, exactly?  Send who, exactly, away?  We already have a good young player at every single position (except one).  Because I don't think you'll click the nutshell link, let me spell this out again:

PG - Brooks/Lowry/Smith (25/24/22)

SG - Martin/Lee (27/25)

SF - Williams/Budinger (23/22)

PF -  Patterson/Hill/Hayes (21/23/27)

Sure, maybe Hill will turn into a center.  I think he'll turn into a center the same way Amare is used as a center - often enough - but it's not the highest and best use of his ability.  Williams can play anywhere from PG-SF, and Lee can run PG occasionally.  Hayes and Hill will play center if asked.  So what do we need?  Can you spot it?  

So the question is, rebuild where?  Blow up what?  Trim what old fat? (By the way, Jefferies doesn't count, everyone knows his expiring deal is going away soon.  And that's still more money off the books for the summer.  I don't think anyone would take Miller, unless it's Portland, because they're desperate if Camby doesn't get well.)

I can see one place that needs a bit of work. So can you.  So can everyone.  There are several centers coming on the market, we'll have money in our pocket.  Who knows, they might even take our money and stick around.

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I just realized we're past the half-way point in the season

We lost 7 of 9 games, including a 5 game losing streak, to get there.
Yes, we didn’t get blown out (for the most part) and yes, we have a lot of youth and a lot to look forward in the future. But, IMO if there’s a trade out there that can get us over the hump then we should try our best to do it.

And I agree that Melo alone won’t do the trick, Nene would have to be included in any trade scenario… unless you can probe the following logic sentence wrong

Nene > Dalembert > Pryzbilla > Nazr Mohammed > Fesenko

And that’s assuming that Kendrick Perkins stays with Boston and either Marc Gasol or Tyson Chandler sign with the Knicks or Dallas

by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jan 21, 2011 6:35 AM CST reply actions  

dude

nice piece. I like this team a lot, and I truly belive they can compete with the best, if only for that gaping hole in the middle – Hayes is admirable and I really like him, and I’d take him to my team any moment – but he’s only 6’6’’, and there’s nothing anybody can do about it.

by galicae on Jan 21, 2011 6:37 AM CST reply actions  

im posting this trade thought again

Battier, hill, lee, jeffries, and scola to the grizzlies for zach randolph, thabeet, arthur, and tony allen it matches salary wise and many say randolph while puts up 20/10 is a horrible defender but there aren’t many elite defenders at the pf spot anymore besides hayes, garnett in his day but are u gonna say scola is an elite defender? Bosh? Amare? Dirk? I love scola but randolph is an expiring contract and is an all star that can play inside and out.. Thabeet while a project is a 7’3 center that can block shots and under adelman should develop well, plus working with hakeem and dikembe wouldn’t hurt at all.. I would also consider signing larry hughes while not a great 3 point shooter he can defend, score, and create for others.. I would rather do this trade then a melo rental and you have 2 players that can develop and be dangerous thabeet and t-will! Line-up

Brooks/lowry/smith
Martin/hughes/allen
T-will/cbud
Randolph/patterson/arthur
Hayes/thabeet/miller/and yao if he doesn’t retire

by rocket2789 on Jan 21, 2011 7:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I dont see how the situtations compare

The Rockets and the Astros were in 2 different situations. Maybe this post would have been great in the Mavs website. They are a team that could use that last missing piece to take them to the Finals.

I doubt the Rockets trade for only Melo, it has to include a good center, and thats what the Rockets should be concentrating on. I think we all know Melo leaves this summer unless the Rockets make it to the Finals (2% chance if we get him with a good center).

I still think you take the gamble. Denver is gonna be desperate soon, and if we can get him AND a center with out loosing too much of our core, then I say do it.

by Texas08 on Jan 21, 2011 9:31 AM CST reply actions  

If you'll read above, you see I made the distinction between the Rockets and Astros.

That’s why this is an even worse trade for the Rockets, unless its crazy cheap because Denver has spurned its real suitors.

If Melo comes with Nene, then you’re talking, but Nene needs to come with an extension, even if Melo doesn’t.

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by Xiane on Jan 21, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I kid. I read it and I agree to an extent. I commented more about the Randy Johnson thing in my Melo post from yesterday.

by Mike Kerns on Jan 21, 2011 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

This meme missed me.

I didn’t read the whole comment string on your post, though, as it was looking like more useless tetchiness, not your fault, it’s just going that way lately.

But to me the Randy Johnson comp works mostly in the sense of “you’ll pay a lot, you won’t sign him, and you’ll regret the guys you gave up”.

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by Xiane on Jan 21, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Real quick

NENE IS GARBAGE.

Phew, I feel better. I mean, you guys realize he’s a natural PF (undersized C), that only plays offense right? What the crap will he do? Knock down wide open dunks? Good for him.

Carmello is not the answer. Nor is Nene. No one is Denver can help this team. Bring me Deight Howard and I’ll show you a championship team.

Perkins is a beast, I would love Perkins but I doubt that would happen. That mofo is one serious dude on the court. Him and Dwight are the two best defensive centers in the league.

And Xiane, by blow it up I meant this era of the Rockets is over. That includes Yao, Scola, and even Martin. Send Battier to a contender, he deserves a ring. Keep Lee, Budinger, Brooks, Hill, Patterson, Williams. Get a whole bunch of 1st round picks in the trades for the players we traded. Trade for one young star, I’d take Iggy or Granger, someone like that. Start a new era.

by basketball is cool on Jan 21, 2011 1:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

My bad

That wasn’t real quick. Oops.

by basketball is cool on Jan 21, 2011 1:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

My point is

that era is already over, it’s done blown up, this was the last year of it. It’s happened. We’re just waiting for the contracts to play out. Whether it’s about 40 more games, or until the trade deadline, it’s a done deal. If Morey can capitalize during the trade period, I think he will. After the McGrady deal I have great faith in his ability to maximize that sort of asset.

If you can think of a better SG under 27, that we can get, than Martin, I’m interested. As for Scola, why move him? He’s signed for reasonable money, he’s absolutely excellent in a platoon, as he’s shown. Patterson is going to be a beast paired with Luis.

Iggy is expensive for what you get. I’d rather try to develop Williams, who might do the same things, only better. Granger? I don’t think you can build a title on him any more than Melo.

Perkins is a FA I think.

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by Xiane on Jan 21, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I also have done some negotiating in my time...

And I think you are spot on; I do not know what Denver is thinking. They are badly overplaying their hand, and while their shiny new GM may know talent he does not seem to be living is this dimension when it comes to realizing what hand he has to play. That ticking noise in the background could be a bomb, but it likely is just the clock winding down on Denver’s options.

I agree 110% that we need to make a trade or three, and I think we probably will before the deadline. But I highly doubt we will gut this team for Melo. A small platoon of competent big men with attitude problems and we are playoff contender.

by albertchester1 on Jan 21, 2011 1:58 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for that.

You’ve got the son of the owner plus a rookie GM running the show in Denver. It looks like a clown college. The guy who built all those assets in Denver has been shown the door.

I think that because the NY teams are so eager to outdo each other, and the Knicks are so thrilled to be relevant again that Denver will end up getting more than they should anyway.

It’s always interesting whose name I don’t hear in stuff like this – San Antonio.

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by Xiane on Jan 21, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

That's because SA is winning....

And winning pretty big. They are looking like they might win it all this year.

They have a top five management team. No eager beaver trading partners over there.

by albertchester1 on Jan 21, 2011 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

Gotta hand it to SA

They have been developing players the last few years and it is paying off. I think maybe we can take a page out of their play book. We have talent that is developing. We need to get better at defense even if it takes away from our fast break. We need to develop an attitude. A mean attitude. A KMA attitude. That starts at the top though.

by mjdinhouston on Jan 24, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

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