Have I missed anything? (No?) Well alright...
Hello there, I'm grungedave.
You might remember me from such posts as:
"Rafer Alston sucks"
"Luis Scola is a complete and total badass"
"I really, really hate the Utah Jazz"
and some other random stuff about Joey Dorsey's adventures.

Yes, I know I haven't been posting much this year. There is a reason for that. I swear.
Here's the reason: The Rockets are completely and utterly unwatchable. Worse yet, they are boring. No matter how many fake Carmelo Anthony rumors we can conjure up... no matter how many ways we try to trade Yao Ming's contract, Shane Battier, ABZ, Brad Miller, etc.... no matter how many times Coach Sleepy forgets to put Speed Racer back in the game - the truth is the Rockets are flat out mediocre. They are. It makes it nearly impossible to watch.
(Though if you ever attempt to trade Scola on this site, I will still find you and ban you!)
I tried - I honestly tried to watch the Knicks game on Wednesday. And yes, the good guys won that game (again, because Amare's basketball IQ is stupendously low and because Mike D'Antoni is still wishing he took the Chicago Bulls job three years ago.) But the Rockets simply lack the abiilty to keep me from switching the channel. They lack a Blake Griffin "Wow!" factor. Yes, I just wished the Rockets had a dude from Oklahoma on their roster. Shoot me.
Trading for Carmelo will not change that. So pipe down.
Trading for CP3 might intrigue me, but he's not going anywhere. Yet.
I wish I had answers. I do not. Daryl Morey has done a fantastic job of stockpiling assets, and no one can really dispute this. But what can he really do with these assets? Injuries are not his fault. Yao Ming's injury was eminently foreseeable, but now is the time to move on from that. And they will. In the meantime, what do the Rockets do? It has been made quite clear that you do not win a championship without an elite player. A truly elite player. If you do not have a Kobe, Wade or Duncan - your chances for ring survival are 0%. They are. The problem is, the Rockets keep hovering around 42 wins every year. Just enough to miss the playoffs but not get a shot at the next Griffin, John Wall, Kwame Brown or Derrick Rose.
While we wait for the next Hakeem - or even the next Robert Horry - I'll continue to find other things to occupy my time slot for entertainment. Maybe I'll go hang with Terrence Williams and Crazy Pills and get some stripper stories. It cannot be any worse than trying to watch the Rockets play defense. So, until we meet again........
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Sounds to me
like someone just isn’t a rockets fan. Part of being a rocks fan this era is slow paced defensive basketball ( well as much defense as we can possibly play.)
one day when you grow up, you'll understand. Maybe.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
False.
Part of being a Rockets fan is being realistic about the team from top to bottom. And I’d be hard pressed to call the current iteration of the team “slow paced defensive basketball.”
Being a fan doesn’t mean being blindly optimistic about everything and walking like a lemming toward the Toyota Center to watch a disappointing and frustrating basketball team. I don’t watch every Astros game, does that make me not a fan?
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is the worst response you could have said
I’ve heard it a million times on Battle Red Blog. Just because you’re a realist about your team doesn’t mean you aren’t a fan. That’s the biggest chickenshit retort anyone can ever throw out. If Dave wasn’t a Rockets fan, I don’t see why he would waste his time running a fucking Rockets blog.
by Mike Kerns on Jan 21, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
que?
I’m still running a Rockets blog? really? Who knew!?!?
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Technically
kind of like how Bob McNair is “running” a major sports franchise. Ohhhh!!!!
by Mike Kerns on Jan 21, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like you are a Bandwagon Fan
Booooo that man!!! LOL. It might be hard to watch sometimes, but they are OUR Rockets, and im a fan through the good times and the bad.
See above statement.
Being a fan doesn’t mean blind optimism.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
how is me being bored = "not being a fan"? Logic fail
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I guess you can be a fan, but not a hardcore fan
Im a fan of the Astros cause they are our home team, but I wont watch a full game unless they on a win streak or going to the playoffs. So I do consider myself a bandwagon fan for the Astros. Baseball isnt really thing.
But I watch the Rockets no matter what. I stil go and see them at TC. I love basketball, I can watch other teams play and still enjoy it. Cant say the same about baseball.
Rockets have no hope
Rockets have set themselves up to never be good, no matter if they landed Melo they are built to be the weakest defensive team in the league. Brooks is too small to stop anyone, Lowry isn’t athletic, KMart is built from sticks and chewing gum, Scola can’t block shots so their help defense is compeltely absent, and Yao, well I won’t go there, but even if his career isn’t over he’ll be a slower version of Big Z which makes him next to worthless (ok I went there).
Thats 3 positions that can’t defend, they are the poor man’s Golden State Warriors at this point without the upside of young talent, they are lucky to have a good coach who kind of makes it work.
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by Ball Chat on Jan 21, 2011 10:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
hey now!
“KMart is built from sticks and chewing gum”
I resent that since I am built about the same as Speed Racer! And I workout!!!
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
YOU AREN'T A FAN!
HOW CAN YOU SAY ALL THOSE MEAN THINGS! Bandwagon jerk.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Truth Hurts
Bandwagon? I’ve been a Hawks fan for my entire life, I know a bad team when I see one.
Grungedave – Hopefully you don’t shoot from the hip WNBA style like KMart does, throw a set of tits on him and he’d be the best female player the world has seen.
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Disagree with most of this
Utterly unwatchable? A bit hyperbolic there. I question the basketball IQ of a fan that only wants to watch for wow-factor. The game was ugly no doubt, as apparently firing up contested 3s without running a play is contagious and spreads from team to team. Shooting 15% from 3 after starting hot is certainly not wowing. But NBA basketball is not going to be WOW every night. Some nights you’re off, and you have to hustle and play defense. If you can’t get wow from watching textbook, shut-down defense on one of the league’s most explosive players, then maybe you shouldn’t be watching in the first place. Just check out the Top Plays every night.
You don't like watching the Rockets?
Go away and let someone who is a fan write stupid threads about how we are not getting Anthony. There are plenty of former NBA players, coaches, and fans around the league that respect our team and enjoy watching them, in fact, no one speaks down about them. I had to watch the Jazz broadcast on the internet and I’ve never heard more praise for the talents we have from our own broadcasters. They are excited about our future and so am I.
Also, since you haven’t been paying attention the the games, we have a ‘go to guy’ or ‘an elite talent’ or ‘a guy willing to bring his talents to south Texas’. Kevin Martin. You are a fool if you don’t think he is exciting, dominating, or fun to watch. Give Kevin a real center and all this idiotic problems you’ve brought up go to the wayside. Including defense. Which is getting better by the way.
This is the worst post I have read on this blog so far. The guys with stupid trade ideas got nothing on this garbage. To quote Donald Rumsfeld, “you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had.” The Rockets deserve better than this.
I’ve been down on the team in the past as well, I will admit. But not like this. These guys are working hard and for that I will not garbage blog them anymore. They are not the Sacramento Kings. Go back to not posting, or get banned to the Jazz blog for life.
by WorrellforThree on Jan 21, 2011 10:30 AM CST reply actions
now now, I don't ban people for disagreeing
If the world agreed with everything I wrote, I’d hate to live in that place.
I’d be fucking bored.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly....
You ARE bored. Nothing like stirring up a little shit when there is very little of substance to discuss. I still enjoy watching, at least until the end when we screw it up. Like last night.
I think we are all fans here, but one thing is true; we are stuck in mediocrity. It also is going to get worse I believe before it gets better, so brace yourself folks, we are not winning anytime soon. We do have a smart GM, lots of pieces, and a fairly generous owner who lucked into a couple of championships about a million seasons ago.
It will get better….just not this year.
by albertchester1 on Jan 22, 2011 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
to quote Brodie Bruce
“here’s the pulse…. [sticks hand down pants]… and here’s your finger, far from the pulse jammed straight into your ass”
Holy fuck did you ever miss the point.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No I am ignoring your point
All the Rockets need to contend is a center. Period.
by WorrellforThree on Jan 21, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
name one that's available
Just one.
You can’t. Which is why it’s tough to follow the Rockets. Morey has a TON of talent on the roster, but no singular elite player. Which means we may be walking around in the desert for 40 years waiting for the next Hakeem. And that’s sad. Hence the basis for what I wrote today.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There will never be
the Hakeem!
"Your girlfriend is into them gangstas, and me being a gangsta, i get into your girlfriend"
i agree with you, this team is starting to get it together. Too many rocket fans who are jokers
by Edwin Rockets-Capron on Jan 21, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Excellent!
So how would we fare in a 7 game series against the Spurs?
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
If the Rockets get a legit big man, I think they compete very well with them
I like how the Spurs play ball, similar to the Rockets, they hustle and play hard. I say Spurs win in the end because their core has been together for a long time already, but I think it goes to 7 games, 6 hard ones at least.
NAME ONE
Holy fuck… just name ONE center – a real, actual center – that is available.
THERE ISN’T ONE. Which is the core of my frustrations.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd be okay with Nene
but again, he’s another role player… not a difference maker.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Well...
I heard Greg Oden will be FA this summer. (laughs nervously)
by Chuck DeBruce on Jan 21, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That deal will either be completely awesome, or completely terrible.
If it was cheap enough, it might be worth a gamble. I’m not sure how cheap that is…
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There will never be a center to compete with Hakeem or anywhere close
In an age where Amare’s talents are sought after I wouldn’t keep my hopes up that we would find a gem in the draft. I never said there was a center available, nor did I say we would get one before the deadline. I bet were stuck with what we got until summer. I’m fine with that. With the CBA approaching for a meltdown I don’t think they should do anything drastic anyways. They can pick up or trade for a center when we get the dead bodies off the books.
I’m still going to watch games. They still have a chance to make the playoffs or at least make a race out of it.
by WorrellforThree on Jan 21, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
true...lets just see if RLopez, Gortat, MGasol,(this summer) or even if Bogut is available...we don't really
need Melo…we need a good center.
by inquisitiveman on Jan 21, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Worst post I have read on this blog.
by 4to3 on Jan 21, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
Because he has a different view of the Rockets than you? Because he isn’t a “ra ra I love everything” guy?
This notion that “True Fans” ignore reality and just love everything always is absolutely absurd.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry
I forgot that I have to be open to reading about people hating on the rockets. Everyone has a right to voice their opinion. My bad…forgot.
Of course they do.
And everyone has a right to ask for a justification.
Why is this the worst post ever?
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
WorrellforThree put it well
That’s why I said I agreed with him. Completely negative threads are a waste of my time. I come here cause I’m a fan, and I guess I’m too narrow minded, but I’d rather not read people hate on the rockets.
Duh!
Such a waste
That you contribute negative statements to negative threads!
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
OH NOEZ, someone was being mean on the INTERNET!!!
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Good one
Follow up a simple negative post with a simple negative response to criticism.
Tell me why I should want to read this trash.
because sometimes anger has a message
I’m angry because my favorite team is basically stagnant – and has been for 15+ years. They don’t suck… but they aren’t elite either. After a while, that becomes monotonous and boring.
And while the Rockets have a bunch of professionals like Battier, Scola, Martin, Miller, Adelman (not RJ), Lowry and others……. this is not a championship formula. Everyone sees this but there isn’t much we can do about it right now. So instead I play Madden. Or drink.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Then respond to my point.
I contend that fandom is not based on blind optimism and that Dave can be a true fan and still be frustrated.
I further contend that his post has merit and that it in no way reflects on his dedication to the Houston Rockets.
I conclude by stating that realism is a healthy and necessary aspect of following a team and that this is not the “worst post ever.”
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
also answer this
Why is it that even football blog commenters have a better grasp of logic and reason than NBA commenters? This kills me.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Group Therapy
So this post is about group therapy? Somehow it didn’t make me feel better.
Where is the merit?
Why is this post healthy if its not about group therapy?
Let me also say that I don’t doubt that Dave is a fan, just that this post is negative crap that I don’t like.
Again I note
That you are contributing to the tone of a post that you claim to detest.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
What is your point?
Is there something wrong with criticizing trash?
There is
If your point is that you hate negativity. Do you not see the inherent hypocrisy in that?
I hate this post. So I’m going to tell everyone how much I hate this post and how I hate negative posts.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
That really thick
I hate negative posts about my favorite team.
Wishful thinking, but hopefully there will be less of this if people say that they don’t like it.
because I have a history of bowing to people's demands on my own blog?!?!? Uh yeah.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This is your blog?
My bad, I never would have known.
oh how very trite
If I was misspelling words, using bad grammar and sentence construction – sure you could call it ‘trash’. But it’s an opinion that disagrees with yours — so it’s “trash”? GTFO.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Actually
Your opinion doesn’t really disagree with me. Its pretty obvious that the rockets aren’t good this year.
Why do I want to go to a rockets blog to have someone throw it in my face?
if that is the case
Stick to the Comicle.
Y’all seem to operate on the same hearts-and-flowers level of discourse.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It's a big internet....
You could always go read better posts elsewhere. You may not like what Dave said but, you are completely missing the point about why he said it.
There are 136 comments and counting….I think he hit a nerve.
by albertchester1 on Jan 22, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
Insanity
Rockets fans, calm down, you aren’t making the playoffs this year anyway so don’t worry about a 7 game series with the Spurs (it’d end in 4 just so you know). Maybe you can lure Marc Gasol to Houston next year, thats the best available center and he’s probably going to NYK, NJ, or ATL.
The fact remains that Kevin Martin, Aaron Brooks, and Luis Scola are a terrible core of players (cemented by the fact castoff Lowry stole Brooks job in under a month). Yao’s expiring contract should alleviate enough money to sign a superstar, but my guess is that no one big comes (there’s only Melo) and you blow your money on Tayshaun Prince and Jamal Crawford.
The Rockets are in the tough place of not being bad enough to get a top pick but not good enough to get into the playoffs, and structured to where it is impossible to become a title contender with the current core no matter what superstar they add.
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Indeed.
Morey’s track record certainly suggests that he would sign Tayshaun Prince and/or Jamal Crawford to bad contracts. Wait… wait no the total opposite of that. Morey has – as we’ve noted – acquired a roster full of assets. The idea being to move assets in order to acquire the next needed piece.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but you’ve completely lost the plot. The purpose of the Spurs question was to illustrate a larger point about the current stagnation of the Rockets roster and to suggest we aren’t as competitive as we might like to believe.
There is also a more philosophical discussion occurring about the nature of true fandom and the tenets for being an actual supporter.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
dude
I was with you until you said “Tayshaun Prince or Jamal Crawford”
no – Morey will bide his time until a true superstar is available. Hell, he got Speed Racer for next to nothing last year. And he got Scola for less than nothing. If/when the next stud becomes available, Morey will be there.
I’m still holding out hope for Demarcus Cousins.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just threw out 2 players of the talent level the 2011 class provides outside of Melo, theres more than the GM’s track history as to why the Rockets wouldn’t sign Jamal Crawford.
The Rockets are in a similar situation as the Pistons were when they blindly threw money at Charlie V and Gordon, it’ll be interesting to see what they can do.
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just one difference
Joe Dumars is a shitty GM
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yep
You got to provide an example of a previous Morey decision that would lead you to think throwing money at Jamal Crawford is possible, other the comment is just rubbish.
Trevor Ariza 5 years 33 mil
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yeah
That’s certainly the one I figured you’d say. But he was miscast for that team (as it turned out with injuries) and the signing certainly didn’t hurt the Rockets long-term, given that they were able to unload him easily in a trade that improved the team.
NOT resigning Crazy Pills instead IS starting to look like a bright move.
The fact that I knew what you’d say, because there really isn’t another questionable one, probably says more positive about Morey. And 6.6 mil$/yr is hardly extravagant money.
Only the idiots from the Hawks' FO would sign
Crawford to a ridiculous contract…. oh wait, is that your team?
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jan 21, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
We traded for JC and gave up Acie Law and Speedy Claxton. I’m willing to overpay a player for that big of upgrade, especially when there’s only 2 years left. Still, as a Hawks fan I’m willing to admit we have the worst front office in basketball, and I never said Morey was an idiot.
My point is that Houston isn’t bringing in Melo, and whats left in the FA market in 2011 is full of mid-tier players who will get overpaid due to lack of anything better.
This leaves the in-limbo Rockets with 2 options, do nothing and hope their role players develop into something meanwhile praying their .5% chance at winning the lottery happens or overpay for mid-tier free agents that would probably be enough to at least secure the 7 or 8 seed.
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You know what term I think should be banned?
Role player.
It’s thrown around with the sense of “No team with role players could ever possibly get anywhere.” even though the Lakers, for example, are mostly full of role players.
Of course every player has a role. Some players’ role is to score, or rebound, or defend, or distribute.. Some can manage two of those, or three, maybe four. But “role player” or “good role player” (instead of “good player”) will no doubt continue to be tossed about by way of damning with faint praise.
Anyway, where other people see stagnation or limbo, I see something else – a team actively working to be better right away. The Rockets have added 3 lottery players in two years. Later lottery, yes, but Kobe Bryant was a 13th pick, by the way. 3/4 of the roster is 27 or under.
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by Xiane on Jan 21, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In the recent past
we lost the Bosh sweepstakes and, before that, the Gortat sweepstakes (and Morey only knows how many more). Never panicked. Never overpaid the mid-tier FAs.
About the draft, maybe we can trade up to get somebody really interesting. It’s not that we don’t have enough assets to do it.
by Chuck DeBruce on Jan 21, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't been watching the games either
Of course I still check the box scores, schedules, and browse TDS.
If the Rockets and Longhorns’ basketball are both on TV at the same time, UT easily has the higher priority, given that they are… you know… good. They are winning, they play hard, and they play defense (around top 5 nationally in defensive efficiency), and they have at least 3 future NBA prospects (Jordan Hamilton, Tristan Thompson, and Cory Joseph).
If UT isn’t on, then I’m probably playing PC games with the TV on the Rockets game. I might glance over if Worrell raises his voice, indicating something exciting happened. Other than that, it’s just refreshing the box score on ESPN.
by goingforthecorner on Jan 21, 2011 11:22 AM CST reply actions
Lol
I’ve been around long enough to know this is typical Dave, so I won’t argue with you on this one.
He’s just upset his favorite team isn’t doing too well. Like I said earlier, it’s time to be realistic folks. If were not contending to win a championship, what the hell are we doing exactly? Wasting time.
To those of you that believe we can contend with just a decent big man are kidding themselves. Wishful thinking doesn’t earn you points. At the end of the day, Martin and Scola can not be your number 1 option. Yes, if Yao wa playing at 100% this season, we could contend. But those days are gone, and our franchise player is no more. Time to rebuild.
by basketball is cool on Jan 21, 2011 11:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa
Don’t you go bringin’ that logic and reason into this thread.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
yeah
there is no room for logic or reason on the Interwebs.
It gets in the way of the porn distribution…
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FLAME WARRRRRRRRRR
But really, I agree. The Rockets are nothing short of frustrating to watch because they’re stuck in limbo – not enough solid vets to stay in the middle of the playoff pack, too many solid vets to rationalize playing the young guys a lot.
I am, nonetheless, one that hopes we can make a trade for Nene, Anthony and Harrington, so long as we cash in the right chips.
Poker analogy – Daryl Morey is like the short stacked guy at a table who knows everyone’s tells. The tells are assets to his game, but they’ve been ultimately fruitless because his only valuable play would be an all in, hoping he gets multiple calls and that his big pocket pair hits the set on the flop. The problem is everyone knows his only power play is an all in, and that such a play tips others off to his hand, minimizing action. People don’t want to just pay him off, they want a solid chance at beating him.
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
by olivarezq1 on Jan 21, 2011 11:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't get...
How anyone can fail to be entertained by:
Aaron Brooks excellent adventures in dribbling
Jared Jeffries demonstrating the art of almost making a lay-up
Jordan Hill’s majestic sweeping hook shot
Chase Budingers’ air of determination after he’s missed a shot
Kevin Martin’s pouty face when he doesn’t get a call
Kyle Lowry’s ability to stop on a dime when he delicately drives the lane
Brad Millers’ gazelle-like drives to the rim
Luis Scola’s discipline in closing out on 3 point shooters
Shane Battier dazzling array of moves in the low-post
Courtney Lee’s clutch FT shooting
Freeing JT…um,Freeing T-Will
Coach Adelman’s aura of total concentration on the bench
The Rockets Spanish perimeter D..Ole!,and another player is waved thru the lane
The attack offense when trying to milk a lead late in games
How could you not be entertained?
Seriously,there are a few bloggers and fans who have expressed boredom w/this team. Perhaps it’s there is no dominant polarizing figure,the team is full of likeable but not great players,all the differences in opinion on players,style,coaching have been done over and over and over and there doesn’t seem to be THAT GUY who can turn the team around.
Me,I watch because I’m a fan,I love NBA basketball,I’m looking to see who to keep-and who to dump-and because the players on the team constantly surprise me and challenge my opinions.
by Tisbee on Jan 21, 2011 11:34 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
can’t believe you left out Miller’s remarkable back-door assists. His passing has been perhaps the most unexpected surprise of this team (that could well be because I just didn’t see enough of him in the past).
And his drives to the rim? they may raise my blood pressure, but I don’t think “entertained” is always the right word.
Dave,
do you think you still contribute to the blog?
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by bone31crusher on Jan 21, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good question.
Is there such a thing as miscontribution?
huh?
This space exists for me to rant/rave as I see fit. Whenever I see fit.
Your needs and emotions are not my concern. Just sayin’.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Continue then...
I’ll proceed by ignoring your future posts. Just know that the other contributers are doing a much better job than you.
Criticism without substance
You have just spit fire and flame throughout these comments and have provided absolutely zero substance or justification for your ire beyond “I had negative posts about my favorite team.”
Respond to any of the points I’ve raised. Just one.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Why is it trash?
What inherently about a post critical of the Rockets level of play and the enjoyment of following them current is “trash”?
I demand one logical response.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
The Rockets have struggled
the last few years, mainly to injuries. I do think Morey could of made a move this year since Yao has now been out 35 games. Not getting Carmelo, who will not resign with us, but the defensive big that we really could of used this month. Even with the injuries this team plays hard, and competes every night. Not only this years team but last years team and some before that, always play hard. So if you think our style of play is boring now, what did you think under Van Gundy. Even without the superstar player the games are exciting because we are in most of them, if not all.
by since86rocketsfan on Jan 21, 2011 11:42 AM CST reply actions
ummm, what?
JVG was awesome. JVG’s teams played defense and executed on both ends of the court. That was inherently NOT boring. Only problem was that Carroll Dawson was the GM so JVG was stuck with the likes of Ryan Bowen as a PF. If JVG had Scola or Patterson or ABZ… wow. I’d love those possibilties.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You must didnt watch that
era much. We had Francis, a player who ran the court at Maryland, not slowing it up like Van Gundy wanted. We had personnel to run the fast break, not always slow it up to run a play.Yes he brought defense that we lacked under Rudy T, but when the playoffs came we could not score. The offense did not score as fluently as under coach A. And no CD did not rub his rabbits foot and get a Scola for basically nothing, but he made some good deals. I would rather watch these current Houston teams then those Van Gundy coached teams any day.
by since86rocketsfan on Jan 21, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
uhhh
the Francis/JVG era lasted ONE YEAR. ONE.
next time maybe do a little research. /caveman’d
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh i forgot
Charlie Ward was so great, i know you loved him. You brought up AB, thats why I mentioned Francis, you do your research, why didnt you mention McGrady who was a superstar at the time of the trade, and an ok Yao. But even with them he still could get a playoff series win. The players just play that cant make moves, all they can do is play with the players on the roster. Moves should of been made to bring in another player when Yao got hurt. If you do your research you know big stars dont sign with us, they only come when traded here. Morey has multiple players, expiring contracts, draft picks, and trade exceptions, to not of made any moves. What Pray Melo plays for half a season, please. Morey has made plenty good moves, but last last offseason has also struck out.
by since86rocketsfan on Jan 21, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
and look at my point
if JVG had Morey feeding him players… and not Charlie Ward or Ryan Bowen or David Wesley or re-treads like that… it would have been different.
And the first three years with Tracy and Yao were excellent. Then Tracy got moody and that was it for him.
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea the seasons were
great, but when the playoffs came that slow it up offense, letting the other team get there team back set on defense only hurt our team. And when the other team denies the pass inside to Yao, its all on McGrady to score. With Mcgrady,Barkley,and Clyde being traded here, and the great Hakeem, the pretty good Francis, and good Yao drafted, and Scottie Pippen being a sign and trade, i give up hope that a superstar will sign straight up with us. Thats why Morey needs to make something happen with all our assets. Just getting Dalembert will help out our team greatly, and allow T Williams to get minutes.
by since86rocketsfan on Jan 21, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Wait what?
We played bad defense under Rudy T!?
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I think we can learn from this..
and always remember that there are worse things to watch on tv…
like the Astros!
This man speaks truth.
At least Ed Wade isn’t in charge of the Rockets. LOLcry.
by DisplacedTexan on Jan 21, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Dave
Don’t let anyone get to you. You do a good job writing when you do and I for one enjoy how you say what you feel with no regard for anyone’s feeling about it. Much respect.
Me against the world is a mismatch in my favor.
My thoughts on the Rockets roster evolution
I wasn’t an NBA fan when I moved to Houston in 2006, but the Rockets were compelling because they were successful (competitive?) playing a unique brand of basketball. Extremely tough defense, couldn’t “out-athlete” anyone, Yao as a singular offensive talent, Brooks as a massively undersized “star” with unlimited shooting range,a fascinating 40-year-old Dikembe, Landry as a skilled, quick post player with a nasty streak who took a bullet and kept going, McGrady as a overgrown point guard.
Williams, Patterson, Hill, and to a lesser extent Lowry, represent something else. Athletic freaks who are in the NBA based on that athleticism and potential. They’re prototypical NBA bodies. They try to outmuscle or outrun the opposition. They can finish.
They may give you as good or better a chance to win as the previous era, but they are, by degree better or worse, just like every other promising talent in the NBA. they don’t really do anything at an elite level, and they don’t really do anything that I wouldn’t expect any top-20 pick at their position couldn’t do as well. They don’t distribute the ball very well. They don’t play top-level defense. They don’t get by on bball IQ in the face of physically superior opponents.
The team plays more like the stereotypical “barrel into the lane and draw contact or kick” or “find the smaller opponent and back him down” NBA game that most every other team plays, and I don’t find very appealing.
So for me, the combination of no clear path to championship quality and no clear distinguishing, unique identity to the this team does make them less compelling than past years.
by Metalate on Jan 21, 2011 12:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
all that...
Plus there is no “personality” to this team. They don’t have an Artest or anyone with a crazy off-beat style. No Moochie Norris even…
by grungedave on Jan 21, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dave, I just rec'd everything you said
Couldn’t agree more. You were missed, some of the new ppl on the blog are pretty lame and get their feelings hurt pretty easily. Stick around and be the voice of reason
by Carlos_HoustonSportsFanatic on Jan 21, 2011 12:48 PM CST reply actions
Wow what a week - the band is back together
Daves here arguing with people. Seems like old times.
I don’t think the team is unwatchable, but they are frustrating.
I’m not sure I buy the super elite player or youre worthless theory. I think that status is fluid and can be applied retroactively.
I don’t view JVG with the same rose colored lenses. He had nothing to do with the players he had? I doubt that.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
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The Dreamshake
by Xiane on Jan 21, 2011 12:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Hey dude.
Maybe if you talked a bunch a shit about the rockets in your posts, you would get the comment count you are looking for.
I can't fake it.
I always call it like I see it, and I see reason for optimism. Not a hot seller right now.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake
Keep hitting us with it man.
There’s a group of readers that wants to know what Xiane has to say when Dave comes back in his “summer soldier” getup
If you're waiting for the next Hakeem...
You’re gonna be waiting awhile
Truer words were never spoken.
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The Dreamshake
well it may be a negative post
But this one sure got a lot of responses, it’ll prolly exceed 300 by the time this day is done. Realy got a rise out of y’all.
No we are not in contention to win it all but only 5 teams realy are and out of those 5 only 1 wasn’t also a contender last year or the year before. Just because ur not poised to win it all doesn’t mean your the kings or the warriors or whoever u compared us to.
Franchise big men are and allways were rare and that’s what we need to contend.
Not everyone gets to have dwight, griffin, or durant so the wow factor is negligable.
We got heart n hustle, that’s our trade mark and although it won’t get us the 1st overall pick anytime soon its better to play with pride than tank for fun.
Fans can be pragmatic or optimistic (its a either/or situation in our case sadly) but at the end of the day, following sports should be a little less frustrating than following ongoing nuclear proliferation, child molestation or any of the other million horrible things this world has to offer.
There is a place for hopeless negativity and that’s everywhere else but the inconsiquential outcomes of sporting events.
by ShookednShanghaied11 on Jan 21, 2011 1:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Dave is excellent at getting people stirred up.
Too bad he only makes a quarterly visit.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake
work is a bitch...
Hard to write anything coherent when the boss demands I cram 20 hours of work into a 7 hour day…
Ugh.
I know how that is, fortunately it’s not everyday for me.
But Madden won’t love you back the way the Rockets will…for whatever that’s worth.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake
My 33-8 Rockets on 2k11 understand.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake
Unrelated note from all this
Happy birthday Hakeem Olajuwon!
I don't usually plan out my days because the word "premeditation" gets thrown around a lot in courts today.
by BD34 on Jan 21, 2011 2:37 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
48 years today
and I’m positive he could still pull out the occasional Dreamshake and kick some ass on the court.
"Sometimes the things that make you great, also make you an asshole."
by ressaliance_00 on Jan 21, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
10 day contract?
I’ll take either him or Vlade.
by Patrick Harrel on Jan 21, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
No offense, but...
Why is this front page? Not all teams have to be the 2002 Kings or 2006 Suns to enjoy the emotional connection to a home franchise. If you want super duper entertaining, watch the Heat, Lakers, or Thunder.
granted.
But there is must be an objective continuum of “entertaining,” however you define the term. And I’d prefer it if my emotional connection to a home franchise involved a team on the “interesting” rather than “boring” end of the spectrum.
because
he’s one of the damn founders of the blog. . .
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
Dave, I think you've handily won
the award for most green comments on a single thread. I kept scanning down and all I kept seeing was 2 recs, 3 recs, 4 recs, repeat. So let the haters hate, but this place wouldn’t be the same without you. And though I don’t always agree with you, there’s no harm in disagreeing. I hope next Rockets season is more interesting to you so you’ll come around more and post a few Ruminations from the Bench.
"Sometimes the things that make you great, also make you an asshole."
A fucking MEN to this
Best post I’ve read on the dream shake ever.
I like scola, but NO ONE should be untouchable. Not a single player. Except maybe the chuck wagon.
I want Blake griffin! Give up whatever and even take baron davis. Of anyone would trade him it would be the clippers….. Or timberwolves
by AllenOU on Jan 21, 2011 5:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I must respectfully disagree with you, Dave.
The Rockets hustle is what I care about. The Rockets are a team, my team. And I will watch them and enjoy them. They day they walk around on the court and fuck off and do not act like grown men, that’s when I’m changing the channel. But I love a team that although mediocre, still gives their all. The potential is there, and maybe someday we will be a great team. There are 30 teams in the league. So therefore, just out of a purely math and logical stance, we should only win a championship once every 30 years. We’ve won two in the last twenty!
I don’t understand. You are the founder of this blog, and much love to you for that, as this has easily become my favorite Rockets location. But yet you disappear when things get down.
The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us. ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Jan 21, 2011 5:21 PM CST reply actions
Y'all basketball people are weird
He isn’t saying dont watch, he is saying THEY are unwatchable. It’s boring. Thats a FACT.
But it’s still our team and we still care, just might not watch all of a Memphis vs Houston game, or even one minute of it. Doesnt mean I care any less, just would rather not be bored AND watch meaningless games that we actually need to lose to get a true star.
Let this go on 3-5-10 years and see if you and the rest change their tune…
by AllenOU on Jan 21, 2011 5:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree again. I believe football is boring. I believe baseball is incredibly boring.
Your FACT is, in fact, an OPINION. Don’t get the two confused. But this a professional basketball team. Even a bad team still is fun to watch in my mind. I think every football team is boring. But many on here disagree with me, because it is an OPINION. I don’t care about a star. It would be nice, but seeing my team scrap and hustle is good enough for me. I’m a man of simple tastes.
And come back to me 3-5-10 years later, and guess what? I’m still right here.
The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us. ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Jan 21, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Typical response
I never said I think it’s boring did I. It simply IS boring to watch this current team. Thats not my opinion.
Why do none of you seem to get this. The fucking clippers, CLIPPERS are more exciting to watch then the rockets. That right there says it all.
You’re entitled to think football is boring, and I agree if it’s watching the whorns… But the texans, even as terrible as they were, were the most exciting team this town has had in years.
The current state of the rockets is boring. Nothing to get excited about. The future looks pretty bleak in the since we will always be average. If you’re the kind of person that is OK with that than you’re better than me. I don’t settle for anything average… EVER
Except for the occasional bar skank after texans games of course
by AllenOU on Jan 21, 2011 6:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Typical response to my response
If your logic is right, then I am declaring the Texans officialy boring. It’s not an opinion. It’s a FACT. According to you. But what you don’t seem to understand is that everyone is entitled to an opinion. I believe the Rockets are a fun team to watch. It’s my OPINION. And you, my friend, cannot sway that opinion.
And by saying the Clippers are more exciting and that sums it all up? That shows you are a slave to name recognition. Any team can be exctiting, if luck goes their way and their players play their hearts out.
My favorite player on this team is Chuck Hayes. Why you ask? You say he is one of the most boring players, and furthermore makes the Rockets boring, which is a cold, hard FACT? It is because he never settles for average. He works hard, does everything right to the best of his bodily abilities. Just like you want from the team.
And no, I don’t settle for average. Settling for average will get you nowhere in life. You have to constantly strive to better yourself. Which I believe is a Rockets mantra. But, if at the end of the day, you busted your ass and didn’t win, you can still hold your head high and I will be proud of you for it.
The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us. ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes
by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Jan 21, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Not to be rude or anything, but yes, boring is pretty much subjective.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake
After Seattle got moved, I try to attend every game and watch every game.
I haven’t missed a Rockets game on TV since I started watching (08-09). I’ve been to about 40 games I put as much money as possible into the pockets of Les Alexander. I’m just thankful to have basketball.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Eh, I'm fine with Dave's assessment
Different things rustle different folks jimmies in different ways. I find the future for this Rockets team relatively bright and I truly wish Adelman would play that future to develop it sooner rather than later. Heartbreaking losses and wasting away some great vets is not a very fun thing to watch but I hold on. I will say I consider it a bit more dedicated to find a way to keep watching through thick and thin but there’s not a whole hell of a lot of people who adhere to this belief.
Years of conditioning with the Bills insulates me from disappointment really.
I don't usually plan out my days because the word "premeditation" gets thrown around a lot in courts today.
Pretty sure
the Texans pwn the hell out of the Bills in terms of disappointment and heartbreak.
Dave is always radical in his views which in and of itself is a good thing – we need radical views on the board, not just group hugs and group think. I personally don’t find the Rox boring. If you do, don’t watch them, simple as that.
"You know what they say - Fool me once: strike one. But fool me twice... strike three."
by RocketsAstros on Jan 22, 2011 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
i'm just gonna...
Ignore you comparing bills heartbreak to anything short of being a cubs fan. I never said anything about group think and what not. I’m pro-rebuilding and still watch cause I like the games, losses or not. For dave this isn’t the case, different strokes for different folks.
At the end of the day it’s just one less guy for me to compete with for the board’s smart ass title.
I don't usually plan out my days because the word "premeditation" gets thrown around a lot in courts today.
by BD34 on Jan 22, 2011 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Rockets can't play defense?
They need a superstar? They are a mediocre team? Genius insight, Ray Charles. It doesn’t take a tweaked-out blogger to realize this team is not going to the playoffs.
by Battier4President on Jan 22, 2011 9:19 AM CST reply actions
I was wrong, grungedave forgive me.
I love my team so much, but the orlando/memphis beatdown broke my will. it’s time to put a brick of c4 under the bench. I hope the rumors of Les being pretty pissed are true. Keep Pat, TWill, Lowery and Hayes. The rest can go.
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