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I love you all.

I do.  If you're still reading and visiting The Dreamshake you're A-Ok in one important, perhaps vital, respect - you are my internet friend.

The NBA administration, owners, players, agents?  Not so much. We aren't internet friends right now.  I'm not happy with any of them.  

We've now lost two more weeks of regular season games if rumors prove true (and they will).

Federal Mediation put in a better effort than I thought it would, but to no avail.  In fairness, Federal labor mediation was meant to calm things down when miners and their families are loaded onto boxcars  in the desert at gunpoint, or autoworkers are literally shot by their bosses, or 150 girls burn to death.  (Yes, this and much more happened in the USA.)  It's popular to bash unions today, but compare Chinese coal mining deaths to US coal mining deaths on a yearly basis and you'll see that many of the victories US labor won for everyone American citizens are worthwhile.

This sort of mediation really was never meant to address disputes between millionaires and billionaires.  And make no mistake, the driving force on the players' side isn't the guy sitting at the end of the bench, happy to make league minimum or a bit more.  The players are being driven by the stars and their agenda.  And honestly, why not?  What separates the NBA from the a great overseas league like Spain isn't the guy at the end of the bench, it's the stars.

I wrote another piece here a couple of weeks ago wondering why two sides, who presumably have a good "game theory" grasp of the contest at hand, would fart around when real money was on the line.  I still don't know the answer, as the idiocy continues to snowball.  There's a range of deals that can be made, a range that I might drag and flagellate myself into writing down someday but not today.  Today is a good day to whine.

Couple more things after the jump.

Star-divide

 

I asked this in a post, but I'll ask it again.  Why the hell is Derek Fisher the player leader?  Fisher is living on borrowed time in the league.  He's either managed his money wisely and is set for life, or he hasn't.  One more contract year won't make a difference.  He will be a participant in a new agreement for two years at most, if his ability to stand in the right spot in the triangle and take cheap shots at opponents is still with him.  If I'm Derek Rose or Kevin Durant there's no freaking way I want a guy with one year left in the league staging a pissing contest with David Stern on my behalf.  If I'm a player whose career can be measured in months, not years, like Kevin Garnett, I certainly don't want to lose a season.  So why there is solidarity behind this pose is beyond me.

On David Stern.  On the whole the record is very good.  His mission is to make the league popular, to help it make money.  He's done that.  On his watch the NBA grew to being the only major US sport with a viable and growing international fan base.  At least 100 million people watched Yao play.  100 million!  Imagine if 1/3 of the US watched every Rockets game?  (We'd be the bestest blog ever.)  He's doing what the owners want, which is risking everything to repair what they see as a broken structure.  When NBA owners look at the NFL their eyes must get a bit misty.  No guaranteed money.  A real salary cap.  Disposable players.  A lucrative TV deal.  That's what they want, too.  And Stern will try to get it for them.

On the negative side?  The obvious manipulation of game results to get certain teams into big time TV matchups. Stern is on record as saying his dream playoff series would be Lakers versus Lakers. But I'd say that since being caught in the Donaghy Affair the results have started looking much more normal. The league still has its "hit man" referees, but mostly Stern now seems to use them to extend series, and thus gate for the owners, rather than determine final outcomes (though extending gate does affect outcomes).

Anyhow, all this has gone on too long.

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Thanks, Xaine

You’ve killed my afternoon. I’ll be on Wikipedia all day now.

PS – here is a Wikipedia link about the autoworker shooting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Hunger_March

by jasonmicron on Oct 26, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Thought I got that link right, thanks.

Yes, some of that stuff seems incredible now, doesn’t it?

"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."

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by Xiane on Oct 28, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got chu Xiane.

Still at least glance at TDS every day to see if there is perchance some new article.
This lockout needs to end.

At least twitter seems to think its getting over soon. Those meeting are pretty long, and at least some good faith seems to be building on both sides.

"Slammed that hoe on the counter like I just got 35 on the domino table!!"
Sherrod Harris

by AlDe2356 on Oct 26, 2011 11:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Twitter is like that with every single negotiation meeting.

As it stands today, we’re still locked out.

My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased

by BD34 on Oct 27, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're acting like there is progress, which is more than we've seen before.

"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."

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by Xiane on Oct 28, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

It really isn't.

I remember about a month ago or so when the had negotiations going Twitter was ablaze with how close they were and how they were both making concessions, then it died out quickly. The problem with Twitter is one credible source can tweet something neutral, then one moron can get ahold of it and spread something entirely different like wildfire. The sad thing about the internet today is everything can be taken care of on Google but no one fact checks because 20 seconds of their lives is too precious.

My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased

by BD34 on Oct 28, 2011 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

And to confirm this - games cancelled until 11/20 at least.

Talks ends, no deal. BRI dispute rolls on.

"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."

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The Dreamshake

by Xiane on Oct 28, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, mike wilbon of pti thinks it will be over soon. In that case, count on seeing your next nba game in november of 2012. That idiot is never right.

by HTown80 on Oct 27, 2011 12:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

If you can sit through this you'll get what is going on.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7144846"

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by craigj007 on Oct 27, 2011 3:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I listened to a lot.

It’s a bit unclear, but sounds like a deal is closer than it has been so far.

"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."

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by Xiane on Oct 28, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

They should have been close

a bloody month ago.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Oct 27, 2011 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes.

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by Xiane on Oct 28, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I need a basketball season

And soon… I love college basketball but that’s just not going to cut it

Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?

by Rocket94 on Oct 28, 2011 1:24 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I just want to see if this is they year

that Morey finally lands the other piece. That elusive player who puts the Rockets into title conideration for years to come.

Also can Johnny Flynn come back, and be close to what he was his rookie year?

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Oct 28, 2011 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Morey won't be able to land the "other piece" unless the new CBA is really favorable to dealing.

Houston has been overhyped every year about their ability to deal. I just want Alexander to get it through his skull that if we’re going to rebuild we can’t pull this ‘be as good as possible’ thing so we’re last in the welfare line chronically.

My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased

by BD34 on Oct 28, 2011 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

It just doesn’t happen often enough in this league to think that this is an optimal route. While I hate losing, our drafts are generally very good for finding talent I’d rather go through a true rebuild.

Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?

by Rocket94 on Oct 28, 2011 5:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why do I still visit this site?

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.

by .Bonzo on Oct 28, 2011 7:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Because you love it.

Now hush and spam the fanposts out of that same sentiment.

My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased

by BD34 on Oct 28, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because we'd be sad if you didn't.

"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."

Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake

by Xiane on Oct 28, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they get a deal done in the next few days

I don’t know what I’ll do with myself I’ll be so happy.

by Patrick Harrel on Oct 28, 2011 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Thank ya much man.

My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased

by BD34 on Oct 28, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Happy birthday Broski!

"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Oct 28, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love you too Xiane!!!

Idk what I’m gonna do…i feel like I’m losing sanity.
I miss this community at full speed…

"You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are
even worse! " ~Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes

by TheChuckwagonisrolling on Oct 28, 2011 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

As soon as the NFL season ends

This lockout is going to hit me really hard.

If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.

by .Bonzo on Oct 29, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe it's a god-sent opportunity

for all of us to start watching euro basketball!!!

I miss the NBA too.

by galicae on Oct 30, 2011 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I've really caught up on my Euro soccer, actually.

"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."

Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake

by Xiane on Oct 30, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone was expecting the big announcement on Friday...

Which was also the same day as game 7 of a very memorable world series. For all the conspirators out there… We all know how commisioners get butt hurt when other sports steal thunder. Yeah, this reasoning is way out there, but I have a feeling that an agreement will be in place this week, and the season will start Dec 1st.
Yes, that’s a whole month away, but.. I am just as fired up to see what happens in free agency which I assume will start shortly after the agreement. I mean, thinking about what was kicked around here before the lockout. Nene, Gasol, Josh Smith, Beidrins, etc… It will be time to see what was a pipe dream, and what we can actually expect.

If you can feel them, they are real.

by jake_471 on Oct 30, 2011 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I check out TDS every couple of days in this period of sad NBA-ness

And even though I’m not avidly posting on here, I do appreciate the work ya’ll have put in. I hope they figure out the mess that is the NBA so we can get back to watching more sports…cuz that’s what love is…more sports.

-- "...I was sick, napping, and then woke up and came to the computer to read a note from the Gingered Angel of Doom..." Martek - Dynamo Theory Blog

by Fuzion on Nov 1, 2011 1:18 AM CDT reply actions  

excuse the audacity xiane,

but if you’re saying that the argue points the union is raising up isn’t really for the guys sitting at the end of the bench but for the stars, isn’t it about time that the stars start pitching in their share in the negotiations? This is a star centric league, much like any other endeavor banking on popularity and fan, (as in fanatic) support. It’s a crazy business, why fans pay big money for beyonce and britney when there are arguably better artists who are more deserving of the big $$$. If the union insists on focusing its manifesto on the betterment of future players and mid level players, the owners can simply run roughshod over them as they are not the ones bringing in the money anyway. (But then again the superstars who earn bigger money outside the league through endorsements and etc don’t really need a union.) What i’m trying to say is the owners wouldn’t give a hoot if derek fisher has cancer, but would fudge if kobe has an ankle sprain. The owners can always give an ultimatum take it or leave it offer on the inferior talent, it is only the superior talent who can present the same kind of ultimatum. about the stars start helping the union a bit, like bill clinton placing in his moral support for whatever it is worth. IMO, it is the stars who can present their own lock-out bluff if only they’d bother to do so. Derek fisher who?

by raong on Nov 11, 2011 11:36 PM CST reply actions  

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