Report: Nene Wants Out Of Denver
Update: Source tells Ken Berger the Rockets "have no plans" to amnesty Terrence Williams.
Update 2: See bottom of the post.
It's no secret the Houston Rockets want free agent center Nene Hilario. That news has been reported like, thirty times.
Thing is, the Denver Nuggets have represented a major roadblock in Houston's pursuit. The Nuggets are currently screwed due to a number of quick overseas decisions made by a few key players, and now face a season without Wilson Chandler or Kenyon Martin. As such, many expected the Nuggets to toss buckets of money in Nene's direction and perhaps slot him at the four next to Chris Andersen to make up for size deficiencies.
Throw a wrench in that plan, Denver. CBS Sports' Ken Berger says Nene wants out of Denver and that six teams have gauged interest, Houston included.
Later in the article, Berger discussed Houston's chances:
... For the Nuggets, the most advantageous scenario would be if Nene wanted to be in Miami, Dallas or Houston enough to be willing to accept less money to get there...
... The Nets would have room sign Nene to a max deal starting at 30 percent of the cap -- $17.4 million -- if they used amnesty on Travis Outlaw. The Pacers have enough room regardless, while the Rockets are close. They would either do a sign-and-trade or use amnesty on Terrence Williams and clear the rest through separate deals to clear room for an outright signing.
Sounds like there are a few more things standing in the Rockets' way:
1) The Pacers are thought to be the prime candidate and have more money available, which is odd considering Roy Hibbert has developed nicely. Perhaps they'd pair the two in the same frontcourt. That's a scary thought.
2) Nene is a max player. Think about that. Nene Hilario, a very good, yet not amazing center... could possibly be a max player. That would make him the highest-paid player on Houston's roster. He'd be the centerpiece. Do the Rockets want to take that route?
3) Is it worth amnestying Terrence Williams in order to chase Nene? In a word: yes. Let's not get caught up in the T-Will hype if Houston is legitimately dedicated to bringing in Nene. Williams has potential, but he's in a crowd of young players and isn't a vital piece of this team just yet.
I like Nene. He's an uber-efficient player on offense, a good rebounder, a decent defender and he's done his work in an offense as fast-break-driven and perimeter-oriented as any. In a different system, Nene's size and physicality could perhaps translate to better defensive numbers. He's a monster, folks.
Of course, we return to the question: Is breaking the bank for Nene the right decision for this team, at this time? Would he help, delay or hamper Houston's return to prominence? Oddly, for how good a player Nene is, signing him would certainly be a gamble on many fronts.
Interesting Thought: Kelly Dwyer on Nene.
And the hype around Nene? He's probably the best free agent available, and we respect the heck out of his game. But if mostly-rebuilding teams full of 24-year olds are pinning their hopes on signing a 29-year old center? One that will be limping around the court by the time the kids hit their prime? Well, this is why we had a lockout in the first place.
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I just don't think
Nene is worth it. I’d rather take a flyer on a guy like Brandon Roy.
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Roy's knees might collapse by January.
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IMO
Hes still worth a flyer on as a Grant Hill type player.
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You cannot possibly compare the two.
Roy has no cartilige in his knees, his bones are rubbing causing discomfort. Its a possibilty with this new exception that every team can cut one contract that they may cut Roy. Roy is not going to magically get any cartilige back in knees, he will always have this problem and his play is based on how much pain he can take. Hill had a major ankle problem, and had sucessful surgery it just took years to finallly heal properly.
by since86rocketsfan on Nov 29, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Well then we won't be beaten by him in the last second, anyway.
Why not sign both broken Trailblazers and hope for the best? And Przybilla too.
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Nene is average at best
He is NOT worth max money on any planet in the universe.
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why can’t anyone else see this?
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Because it's not true?
Average in what context? In the context of all time centers? Sure. In terms of current NBA centers, he arguably is the 2nd or 3rd best
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I can't imagine a scenario where we amnesty T-Will
As mediocre and crappy as he looked, I think they’re dedicated to seeing him in a Rockets uniform and I don’t think they’d do it just to clear $2.4 million off the top. If we can land Nene, I could see us amnestying Thabeet, but I don’t know.
I’d personally love to get Nene, I don’t like the blow it up approach. Maybe it’s because I’m not sure I could make it through a few seasons of 24 wins, but I want to be good now. (I was always the take the 1st marshmallow instead of waiting on two)
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Amnestying Thabeet would make more sense, I agree, but I'd do it for T-Will to get Nene, too.
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I don't see the point on either given their contract end dates
And the new stretch exception is going to make it even more likely that Nene isn’t a big deal if we sign him for more than he’s worth.
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I think using that clause on either of them is a waste of money. They just aren't signed for enough to be worth using it.
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If amnestying one of them is the difference between getting a Nene or other center in free agency
It would be worth it. That 5 million is a lot to Nene when multiplied by 4 (and then some because of raises).
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by Patrick Harrel on Nov 29, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to get Nene.
I think at a max deal though, it’ll be regrettable. 30 year old centers worry me.
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Even with amnestying Thabeet I don't think we clear enough room for a max deal
With the amnesty, we’re at about 42 million in committed salary then you add the 2 million for Morris (and another 500k for Parsons), and you have about 13.5 million for free agents. The max starts at 17.4 million (30% of 58 million) so we’re still short there.
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by Patrick Harrel on Nov 30, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
Might be a blessing in disguise.
What do you reckon Dalembert goes for? There’s also Tyson Chandler, I think. I honestly think we need a defensive center more than anything else. This team doesn’t have enough shots to go around already.
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If Chandler didn't have all those injuries early
I’d be more up on that idea. I love the guy and still have no clue with the Hornets traded him
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I don’t like the blow it up approach. Maybe it’s because I’m not sure I could make it through a few seasons of 24 wins
how much fun draft night would be lol
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All of this is making me feel worse about our team
Our big free agent after all this time of searching for a player…would be Nene. That’s like picking out one celeb singer you wanna bang, and choosing Toni Braxton. While very nice looking, she’s not in that elite level.
by twinkilling0303 on Nov 29, 2011 2:19 PM CST reply actions
I don't think Jason Kidd and Jimmy Jackson agree with you
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lol
15 years ago they probably disagreed with me…but now they’d almost have to agree with me. She’s not even in the top 20, heck top 50.
by twinkilling0303 on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
But at one point in time she broke up a promising team
Just saying that’s worth something
But I got your point
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It's the "I wish I knew then what I know now" scenario
Young guys with money just too stupid to see what should have happened.
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I dunno, guys getting mad at each other because of jealousy over a woman.
I’m not sure that’s ever happened before.
That Dallas team just had weird crap happen to it all over.
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Looking at update #1
Could it be that the story about us chasing after Nene might be designed to make other folks make a stupid max offer for him early on? We may have genuine interest, but not be willing to give up a max deal. If someone, (Comrade Nyet comes to mind), is going to go that route why not get that out of the way early? This will be a very short time frame. Getting someone to go on tilt early could be useful. So long as it’s not us.
Um, is there anyone actually signed to play in Denver?
Didn’t their whole team sign no-out-clause contracts in China?
Maybe that’s why he wants out.
Here’s a question – we sign him to a max deal – it doesn’t pan out – we can amnesty him yes?
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No.
That’s not how it works. Amnesty only applies to players currently under contract.
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Ah, too bad.
My current pissed off state has kept me from really studying the deal.
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is there a reason
We are not talking about signing gasol? Seriously, no sarcasm, why not?
by HTown80 on Nov 29, 2011 9:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
There's time. Plenty of time.
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Also, most expect Memphis to re-sign him.
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Do they have the money?
They’ve thrown some big deals out already in the last couple of years.
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Yes they do
Even with the Randolph, Gay, and Conley deals, they’re still in the low 50 million’s in payroll. They could sign Gasol to a $15 million deal and still be comfortably under the tax line. Also, the prevailing thought is that Gay could be moved.
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by Patrick Harrel on Nov 29, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm surprised.
Next question – do they have the money to spend, not cap wise, but actual income? Memphis is always crying poor. And what about Randolph?
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You'd think they could if they keep winning
At least go up to the tax line. Who knows though, they have been known to make some rash decisions there…
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by Patrick Harrel on Nov 30, 2011 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
could we amnesty thabeet instead of t-will
i think t-will has a lot of untapped potential worth looking at

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